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BongoBob
03-13-2005, 01:48 AM
New Revolution details (http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200503/N05.0310.1407.55454.htm)

New Xbox 2 details (http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200503/N05.0309.1333.25740.htm)

Although the details on the Revolution are still scant, I want it still, and XBox 2 is just looking more and more sweet.

OT: Do you call is XBOX Xbox XBox or X-Box :confused:

IG-64
03-13-2005, 01:57 AM
Wewt, sounds cool.

But revolution coming out next year sounds bad. :/

Astrotoy7
03-13-2005, 05:32 AM
I would like to be the first smartass to say

pfftt ! Ps3 > Snotbox2 > Fisher Price Revolution

:p

mtfbwya

Boba Rhett
03-13-2005, 05:42 AM
That's the ticket, Astro. Lets the raging fanboyism shine through you, like rays of sunshine to warm us all. :xp:

Sabretooth
03-13-2005, 05:52 AM
PEE-ESS THREE! PEE-ESS THREE! PEE-ESS THREE!

Astrotoy7
03-13-2005, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
That's the ticket, Astro. Lets the raging fanboyism shine through you, like rays of sunshine to warm us all. :xp:

c'mon...you mustve seen the new Forbes rich list....that cracker Bill Gates has damn $46 billion..... he's not gettin anythin else from me..... as for Nintendo, they'll shoot themselves in the foot (again) with their customary sidewards advances in gaming :p

sony are clever marketers, and are in the pockets of all my fave game devs.... i gotta love em for that :p

btw, Rhettski, you got a PSP yet....I freakin want one ! the main games I love on the ps2 have been ported over already...FIFA soccer, Tiger Woods Golf, Dynasty warriors..... all we need is a Final Fantasy Title and I'll be able to move to a tropical island and never leave again.... :D

mtfbwya

ZBomber
03-13-2005, 10:25 AM
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I hate these topics. NO ONE FREAKIN CRAES WHICH SYSTEM YOU WANT! :rolleyes:

Astrotoy7
03-13-2005, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
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I hate these topics. NO ONE FREAKIN CRAES WHICH SYSTEM YOU WANT! :rolleyes:

of course no one cares ! and no one cares that you dont care either ! :p

mtfbwya

Acrylic
03-13-2005, 02:50 PM
I'll eventually get te PS3, XBOX2, and Revolution, but it'll depend on price and game line up for which one I'll get first.

The PS3 is really getting my attention because of the Cell processor, but there's no reason to talk about this in this thread because this is about Revolution and XBOX2.

+1 post count! :p

ZBomber
03-13-2005, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
of course no one cares ! and no one cares that you dont care either ! :p

mtfbwya

No, everyone loves my opinion, because I don't frequent dodgy Russian porn sites. :p

Troopr-Undr-Fir
03-13-2005, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by ZBomber
No, everyone loves my opinion, because I don't frequent dodgy Russian porn sites. :p

Surely you jest :eek:


Anyway, where are the frikkin pictures?

WORDS MEAN NOTHING TO ME!!!

:p

Boba Rhett
03-13-2005, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
btw, Rhettski, you got a PSP yet....I freakin want one ! the main games I love on the ps2 have been ported over already...FIFA soccer, Tiger Woods Golf, Dynasty warriors..... all we need is a Final Fantasy Title and I'll be able to move to a tropical island and never leave again.... :D

mtfbwya


I was going to but then terrible flaws started popping up. I figured the Sony president would release a statement saying they were going to fix them for the worldwide release but then he basically said that nothing was going to be changed and that we should just deal with it. Seriously, he did. :( He has since then been replaced as president but he stl heads up the gaming department. (Doh!)

The two major issues for me so far are the buttons breaking and, apparently, they're easy to twist and if you twist them while a game is in it and running the disk gets launched out the back of the handheld.

I was really really excited about the PSP but when theyget stuff like that happening frequently and say they're not changing anything..... I think I'm just going to skip out on this generation of handhelds. :(


The cell processor is indeed amazing. The one that will be used in the PS3 will be a "stripped down" version of this processor though so I dunno what its stats will end up being. I'm fairly sure it'll be the most powerful but I doubt it'll be very close to the non stripped cell processors we've been seeing.

Acrylic
03-13-2005, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
The cell processor is indeed amazing. The one that will be used in the PS3 will be a "stripped down" version of this processor though so I dunno what its stats will end up being. I'm fairly sure it'll be the most powerful but I doubt it'll be very close to the non stripped cell processors we've been seeing.

Indeed. I even heard they may use more than one Cell inside a PS3. May be just a rumor though.

legameboy
03-13-2005, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
But revolution coming out next year sounds bad. :/

He didn't saay that it was coming out next year. He said it wasn't coming out this year. :p

I'm looking forward to the new consoles, myself. I might even buy my first console after these babies come out. ^_^

Astrotoy7
03-14-2005, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
No, everyone loves my opinion, because I don't frequent dodgy Russian porn sites. :p

the fact that you used the words 'dodgy Russian porn site' makes you dodgy by default.... :p Ive never heard of such a thing.... Now, Sithy's hard drive is a dodgy porn site if ther ever was one :(

* * *

hmm...ive heard about those problems with the psp... but ive also heard rave reviews from owners, a couple of which are personal friends of mine (in Japan)

what I wanna know Rhett, is how the hell do you twist flat controller buttons, do you play with your teeth ??

wouldnt surprise me really :( :p

mtfbwya

Boba Rhett
03-14-2005, 02:47 AM
Oops, sorry. I got those two blended together. I ment that the handheld itself can be torqued pretty easily and that's causing the disc shooting problem. The button issue was just with them breaking.

Darth Groovy
03-14-2005, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
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I hate these topics. NO ONE FREAKIN CRAES WHICH SYSTEM YOU WANT! :rolleyes:

:wstupid:

Even though my xbox rocks ya mamma's socks off! :eek:

*runs off*

Tokarev
03-14-2005, 04:34 AM
I'm content with my PC, so I'll just simply let the consoles and games to roll along and even determine..

coupes.
03-14-2005, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
The two major issues for me so far are the buttons breaking and, apparently, they're easy to twist and if you twist them while a game is in it and running the disk gets launched out the back of the handheld.
Wow. I can't beleive how stupid Nintendo are for making sturdy hardware, especially in the case of handhelds. It only makes them look like Fisherprice toys :rolleyes:

Don't you think Astro ? :p;)

Boba Rhett
03-14-2005, 06:00 AM
That's one thing were you have to doff your hat to Nintendo. They know how to build sturdy stuff.

CapNColostomy
03-14-2005, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by ZBomber
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I hate these topics. NO ONE FREAKIN CRAES WHICH SYSTEM YOU WANT! :rolleyes:

I care. Alot. I troll this and other forums for the sole purpose of finding out who wants which system. I write all the information on my toes and the back of my neck with charcoal. I'm serious.

Astrotoy7
03-14-2005, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
I care. Alot. I troll this and other forums for the sole purpose of finding out who wants which system. I write all the information on my toes and the back of my neck with charcoal. I'm serious.

the scary thing is, he's not joking :p

mtfbwya

toms
03-14-2005, 10:30 AM
Well, based on almost ZERO information I'll make some dodgy predictions:

NIntendo will do something really cool, but weird, will market it badly, no-one will buy it and almost no games will get made for it. Those of us who saw the potential will weep....

PS3 and XBOX2 will be almost identical... so i have no idea how to predict what will be the best one. It will probably all come down to style or marketing more than any standout features.

Graphics aren't going to be much of a leap forward over the current top games (moving poly counts from 10,000 to 100,000 made a big difference, moving them to 1,000,000 won't be as noticable. Things already look pretty real, and its going to get harder and harder to make them "realler" as the human brain can tell the difference. )

Physics and lighting will get better though.

PSP to PS3 linkup is going to be an interesting possibility... but then so was GC/GBA connectivity and it never really amounted to that much.

PS3 and XBOX2 are going to be more like home media centres than game consoles, but both microsoft and sony will implement prohibitive DRM. THe one that gets hacked best will probably be the one I buy.

If nintendo dumps the analogue stick entirely and just goes with a touch screen then no one will port their games across.

With the talk of using a evolution at wi-fi hotspots it would be REALLY COOL if they went with a laptop type formfactor (without the folding screen, or with it as an addon) so you could carry it around easily.

PS/ Anyone else noticed the similarity between the mac-mini and the gamecube? :D
Still think the GC had the coolest design out of all the consoles, if only they had made it black or silver to start they would have sold far more. (or white)

Neverhoodian
03-14-2005, 03:19 PM
I'd say your "dodgy" predictions are right on the money toms, particularly concerning the new Nintendo console. I was a big fan of the "Big N" in the past, but not so much anymore after their numerous screw-ups in marketing and their fetish for wierd gameplay gimmicks. Oh sure, I still eagerly await the next Mario/Zelda/Metroid game that comes along, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Nintendo may go the way of Sega in the future.

It should be interesting to see how the Xbox 2 and the Playstation 3 will fare, particularly if the Microsoft console doesn't have a Halo game at launch. The first Xbox owes its popularity to Halo, after all.

I've seen a few screenshots of games developers are already working on for the new consoles, but to tell you the truth I wasn't that impressed. Like toms, I think graphics have gotten to the point where we really can't do that much more to make them "better." Oh sure, you can up the polygon count, but it's getting very hard to notice the difference. Of course, the next step is virtual reality, but that probably won't happen for at least a good five years or so.

ET Warrior
03-14-2005, 03:41 PM
and their fetish for wierd gameplay gimmicks.

I'd like to know just how many weird gimmicks Nintendo has incorporated over the years? Lets see.....first to use an analog stick....now all consoles do the same.

First to use a touch-pad....will we see that in many consoles futures?

What else? I can't think of anything...

And what exactly is WRONG with that? Aside from being innovative instead of just pushing the same crap through and never trying to change the experience and possibly *gasp* improve on things. :eek:



And games deffinately have room for improvement in the graphics department. Maybe not in terms of look but in terms of scale. Next-gens will have better capabilities for sprawling environments that don't have to compromise poly counts, and can render much quicker reducing load times.

jokemaster
03-14-2005, 04:22 PM
I'll probably end up getting all 3.

I'm the most interested in Revolution, since I think it could actually be something really cool.

I don't really care much of difference between teh other two cause they're both gonna be almost exactly the same: Multimedia center-oriented consoles. I mean that's my problem, I love my consoles to death but Sony and Microsoft are really getting too Multimedia cented, which could drive prices up too much, and doing more or less the same things. But I'll get them depending on wether any games look interesting.

BTW, I think everybody forgot my 'an end to fanboyism' thread from a while back....I mean you don't hear people arguing wether a Samsung or a Panasonic or a Sony TV is better

Boba Rhett
03-14-2005, 05:54 PM
I dunno, it sounds like Microsoft has really learned from their first and are seriously getting their next creation in shape to kick bottom. Look at all the old school rocking developers they're bringing in. Plus they're actually doing a lot to keep their console quite cheap. The hdd* is seperate now which shaves off a lot.


* = If you get it though you enable backwards compatability w00t! :)

BongoBob
03-14-2005, 11:39 PM
Z, I wan't proposing a fanboy thread, it's just there was no info on the PS3 : |

HDD all the way, mem cards are a fraggin pain...

toms
03-15-2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
And what exactly is WRONG with that? Aside from being innovative instead of just pushing the same crap through and never trying to change the experience and possibly *gasp* improve on things. :eek:

Hey, i agree. I'm a major nintendo fanboy. But recently they appear to have been so intent on their "innovations" that they have let everything else slip. Touchscreen is a great idea for some games but for others it is useless. I thought the DS would kick the PSP's butt, but so far the touchscreen has only been used properly by a couple of games. If the rumours of them dumping analogue sticks for the Revolution turn out to be true then its going to make it much harder to port games... which is what cost them dear with the GC.

Its a lot like jokemaster's point on TV brands. Developers these days want the consoles to be all the same, so they can cheaply port to all consoles. It is great that big N is willing to be different, but if the game makers aren't willing to put in the extra money to develop for that innovation then it goes to waste and they get no games (except a few in-house ones).
Panasonic could implement a great new tech on their tvs, but if only panasonic tvs support it then tv channels arn't going to waste money or people on supporting it.

Graphics will definatley improve, but not by as obvious a "wow factor" over previous generational leaps. MOre onscreen chars, larger environments, better lighting. Yep. As big as the difference between MGS and MGS3.. nope. imho.

BUt of course this is all speculation on my part. There is no real evidence yet either way.

ET Warrior
03-15-2005, 09:10 PM
The problem is that nobody ELSE wants to think outside the box. Games as they are right now work, so why invest money in something that MIGHT not pan out. It's an annoying but true fact :\

If more people were willing to be more innovative I can't even imagine how awesome entertainment technology could be.

toms
03-16-2005, 09:58 AM
Thats true, but innovation is risky. Investors don't like risky. THe whole entertainment industry has become far less inventive since big money got involved.

I could almost see it ending up with a Hollywood vs. Independent Films scenario, with the big players (Sony, MS, EA) producing the big budget, big selling blockbusters and Nintendo/Smaller studios producing the more innovative, lower budget art-house games.

The fact remains that nintendo has been very stubborn, refused to listen to gamers and developers and has missed the boat on a lot of things (online gaming). THey have also repeated the exact same mistake they made with the N64 and ended up with far fewer third party games than Sony or Microsoft. A console can't survive on Mario, Metroid and Zelda alone, no matter how great those games might be.

Nintendo has to decide where it wants to go:

If it wants to compete with Sony and MS then it needs to make it easy for third parties, and cheap for them to make cross compatible games. It can still do the innovative stuff, but it needs to support the mainstream stuff as well.

If it wants to seriously be a different and alternative option to the other two then it should go the whole way. Dump cross platform franchises. Create entirely new and unique and adventurous games. It can't produce enough of those alone though, so it should publish and support innovative games from small startup developers who don't want to sell their soul to EA. Make a totally different platform with totally different games.

Either way, third party support will kill or save nintendo this time around (and it has nearly killed them the last two times, this time they won't have the handheld dominance to fall back on).

El Sitherino
03-16-2005, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by toms
The fact remains that nintendo has been very stubborn, refused to listen to gamers and developers and has missed the boat on a lot of things (online gaming). Without nintendo, noone would have that. Atleast, not this early. :p

But I agree, they are very stubborn.

toms
03-17-2005, 08:30 AM
by cooincidence (how do you spell that anyway?) they are talking about this very thing on penny arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/news.php3?date=2005-03-16#2476

and include a link to a guy who i think is basically saying what i am:

http://www.costik.com/weblog/2005_03_01_blogchive.html#111069190589189590
Interesting that he mentions the idea of nintendo giving dev kits cheaply to small, innovative firms (which is kind of what i had in mind too).

I like this quote:
EA could have chosen to concentrate on innovation, rather than continually raising the graphic bar to squeeze out less well capitalized competitors, but they did not. Sony could have chosen to create a Miramax of the game industry, funding dozens of sub-million titles in a process of planned innovation to establish new world-beating game styles, but they declined. Nintendo could make dev kits cheaply available to small firms, with the promise of funding and publication to to the most interesting titles, but they prefer to rely on the creativity of one aging designer.

shukrallah
03-17-2005, 11:59 PM
I really want to know what the Revolution has in store for us. Its backwards compatible with the GCN, so if you buy it, and it goes down, at least you can still get used GCN games for it... some were really good. This will at least insure Nintendo still gets a profit (from GCN and Revolution).

About the Cell Shader: Im not worried about it, if Nintendo can make their console shoot out hot graphics and huge ammounts of data with low specs, then the cell shader doesn't matter. Its extra money down the drain for Soney.

I do notice that Nintendo isn't rushing games out to market, spending 3 or more years developing. Like that new Zelda... if that doesn't sell, nothing will.

Nintendo is starting to get back on track. Why not release that new zelda on the Revolution? Because then GCN owners can't get it. But they are smart, they are releasing the new Zelda on GCN, right before the Revolution hits shelves (im guessing) so then people will buy the game for GCN. When the Revolution comes out, other gamers can buy the Zelda, and play it on that. See? It sells a lot better this way.

Most people think you got to have blood and a lot of bullets to make a good game, even though... well, thats wrong. I guess it depends on your opinion though. Nintendo seems focused on making games that would be fun for a teenager, or young adult, but is still suitable for a younger kid... which is a good thing.