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Lady Jedi
03-21-2005, 08:49 PM
Link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/)

That's awful. I can't imagine what the families of those students are feeling right now. :disaprove

Curt-Man
03-21-2005, 09:24 PM
friggen idiot.

RoxStar
03-21-2005, 09:27 PM
moment of silence.

GonkH8er
03-21-2005, 09:28 PM
Now kiddies, its time to play the blame game, with your host, the media.


Contestant number 1, Violent video games, seems to be the favourite. Stay tuned to see who gets blamed today.

lukeiamyourdad
03-21-2005, 09:33 PM
*moment of silence*


*shakes fist at the media who are going to blame GTA:SA

Sam
03-21-2005, 09:51 PM
http://www.zestuff.com/product.php?productid=59&cat=18&page=1

TK-8252
03-21-2005, 10:01 PM
WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS?!!

Curse GTA to a firey death!

El Sitherino
03-21-2005, 10:09 PM
What a douche.

Rogue15
03-21-2005, 11:45 PM
stupid kid.

btw love the t-shirt!

Nalukai
03-22-2005, 02:23 AM
http://www.cineclub.de/images/2002/11/bowling_for_columbine_p.jpg

TiE23
03-22-2005, 11:21 AM
Well, in this morning's newspaper he said "He was into video games." Bah bing! He killed people cause he played video games. Not because he was a neo-nazi, or messed up in the head. It was just the video games!
Ah-ha! solved :indif:

Very sad, hope they recover over their loses.

TiE

toms
03-22-2005, 11:32 AM
seems like its gonna be goths and rock music that get the blame this time... or the internet and nazi chatrooms...

Student Sondra Hegstrom, 17, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that Weise was into goth culture, wore "a big old black trench coat," drew pictures of skeletons, listened to heavy metal music and "talked about death all the time."

Though if they find any games at his house that is bound to change....

PS/ Nice t-shirt...

Doomie
03-22-2005, 11:51 AM
Other students said he was picked on and that he'd made threats

People don't realize how serious that is. Multiple people pick on me at school, without any reason, for almost two years now. There were times I wished I could've stabbed them in the head or something. If people are a bit screwed already, that could push them over the edge...

Prime
03-22-2005, 11:57 AM
And then the coward killed himself...

El Sitherino
03-22-2005, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Prime
And then the coward killed himself... Indeed, but he'd be killed anyway. Either by lethal injection or a crazed parent seeking revenge.

Lady Jedi
03-22-2005, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Indeed, but he'd be killed anyway. Either by lethal injection or a crazed parent seeking revenge.

Exactly. At least this way there won't be a drawn out court case, and thousands upon thousands of dollars wasted on this guy.

GothiX
03-22-2005, 03:34 PM
Student Sondra Hegstrom, 17, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that Weise was into goth culture, wore "a big old black trench coat," drew pictures of skeletons, listened to heavy metal music and "talked about death all the time." '

Well, ****. That's another bunch of stereotypes that I'll have to deal with for the next 3 months. Dammit.

Oh, and he shouldn't have shot himself, he should have been able to see the pain he's caused others, and to feel his guilt.

Then shot.

Lady Jedi
03-22-2005, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by GothiX
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Well, ****. That's another bunch of stereotypes that I'll have to deal with for the next 3 months. Dammit.

Oh, and he shouldn't have shot himself, he should have been able to see the pain he's caused others, and to feel his guilt.

Then shot.

Right on. I for one, am in favor of a talion justice system. :D
Tal·i·on :
A punishment identical to the offense, as the death penalty for murder.

Also, it doesn't matter what he wore, or the games that he played. It gets down to the fact that he was screwed up and it's his own damn fault; not the fault of his lifestyle.

GothiX
03-22-2005, 03:56 PM
You're forgetting that this is exactly what people need to make remarks about a subculture that's alkready being tortured by stereotypes saying how "evil" they are.

El Sitherino
03-22-2005, 03:57 PM
Now I'm all for punishment and such, but there comes a point when you must realize what is better for society.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

If we keep with that kind of system, we only create more anger. Hell even now capital punishment creates anger. Execution of innocent people, people others believe were justified in their crime.

Personally I think we should do away with the death sentence, but also stop using our tax money to feed and house these prisoners, we should go back to when we made them work for their food and decent sheltering. No more of this lounging around, working out, free tv crap.

But I do support the prisoner education system. The more educated they are, the less likely they are to commit more crimes.

El Sitherino
03-22-2005, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by GothiX
You're forgetting that this is exactly what people need to make remarks about a subculture that's alkready being tortured by stereotypes saying how "evil" they are. Indeed, but this is how people do stuff. They cast blame on something that can't defend itself.

Some kid wears dark clothing and he killed a person? He's a goth, and that's why he did it. It doesn't matter how ****ty he let his life get, it's because he's a goth, he listens to metal, and he plays video games. They caused him to do this by affecting his mind, desensetizing him. They broke him away from reality into a world where violence is "fun".

People do this to avoid blaming themselves because they most likely picked on a kid like this, or they didn't do anything to help a kid like this.

Never mind that he was an outcast already mentally unsound. His lifestyle and choices in music and games caused this. Blame them, not him or yourself.

GonkH8er
03-22-2005, 06:18 PM
Apparently the latest info from the news room is that he was a big fan of hitler.


So lets pin this on germany :) The US seems to have grown tired of bashing france.... maybe they need a new EU country to rip on.

lukeiamyourdad
03-22-2005, 06:31 PM
I doubt it. The US has an odd amount of neo-nazis(or white supremacists or KKK or whatever).

Kurgan
03-22-2005, 07:27 PM
I see a lot of similarities in this story with the Columbine massacre story. Let's see,

Shooter:

- loner

- Neo Nazi tie "admired Hitler"

- Black Clothing

- got picked on by other students

- Asked victim "if they believed in God" and then shot them (in the Columbine case, it was actually widely mis-reported... one of the wounded victims was asked by one of the killers "Do you believe in God?" and when they said yes, "Why?" and then left them alone, the person survived, they didn't die from their wounds).

- Suicide after the fact?

And now we want to throw in "violent video games" and perhaps music? Hmm...


So I wonder, was this somehow a "copy cat crime"? Or is the media just picking out random things to blame again to make it sound more sinister and sensational? Perhaps we're not getting the full story here.

But from the outset it sounds like a crazy suicidal guy who was inspired by what he knew (or thought he knew) about the Columbine incident.

It's been many years since I was in High School but none of those things were really popular at the ones I attended or visited. There was one guy who wore all black now and then, but he wasn't a "goth" or a neo-nazi dabbler. He just liked to make bad jokes now and then with his odd sense of humor. Never talked about killing anyone or wore a trenchcoat to school.

tags
03-22-2005, 07:31 PM
tsk, tsk, tsk, every so many years eh?....

XERXES
03-22-2005, 07:41 PM
wow, yet another episode of the...


gothy kid who dresses this way to be different because he isnt at terms with himself, gets scorned for being different, then lashes out.:rolleyes:

public schools rock dont they?

stupid kids.

I live near a game lan place, my grandparents are old timey and scrutinize me for frequenting the place. Its weird their like expecting me to be violent because of it.:rolleyes: Then a reporter from good morning america comes to interview us(at the lan center) and doesnt leave until at least one person says "video games are awesome, I enjoy splattering peoples brains on the sidewalk, it teaches me to be a better killer in real life." She was literally putting words into the middle school-aged kids mouths and totally warping what they say and turning it against them. Making them look bad and evil and making her (and thus, ABC) look better.

El Sitherino
03-22-2005, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
And now we want to throw in "violent video games" and perhaps music? Hmm...

Well it was an issue with the Columbine shootings too, I remember they made a huge thing about Marilyn Manson during it. We even had kids suspended for wearing manson shirts.

Originally posted by Kurgan
So I wonder, was this somehow a "copy cat crime"? Or is the media just picking out random things to blame again to make it sound more sinister and sensational? Perhaps we're not getting the full story here.

The latter, it doesn't matter if we're not getting the full story. They (media, parents, police) all look for something to place blame on, in all crimes. But when it's something as big as this people hear about it and eat it up.


For all we know he wasn't even a goth, just those people saw him wearing black clothes and figured him as a goth.
*shrugs*

But none of that really matters, all that matters is why he did it. And from what We hear it's because he had a hatred for those he saw as "unclean".

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Interactives/News/Education/Guns_in_school.gif
Such an out of date chart. Not accurate either.

Neverhoodian
03-23-2005, 01:11 AM
I read about this in the newspaper. Why do school shootings always happen in the springtime? Can't these kids wait just a few months more for school to end and vent their frustrations in a nonviolent way? They'd probably find some other way to commit murder and mayhem, though. :disaprove

My deepest condolences go to those who lost loved ones that day. I hope to God the media doesn't try to go for the "let's blame it on video games and heavy metal" approach. Events like these are too complicated and difficult to just pin the blame on a single outlet of entertainment.

TiE23
03-23-2005, 01:32 AM
Well, it seems his mental instablility wasn't really his fault, his father commited suicide, so they could have bother been messed up in the heads.

And umm..... Maybe he was a Neo-Neo. Matrix stuff, guns, trench coats, 'do you believe'. :p

But he was just phsyco, not a goth, just phsyco.

TiE

BongoBob
03-23-2005, 02:03 AM
http://cad-comic.com/images/comics/20031215.jpg

God, I hate stupid people that always, ALWAYS, have to have a scapegoat for everything.

:mad: Especially music and games :mad:

GothiX
03-23-2005, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Well it was an issue with the Columbine shootings too, I remember they made a huge thing about Marilyn Manson during it. We even had kids suspended for wearing manson shirts.

Oh, wait, it's a poser thing?

El Sitherino
03-23-2005, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by GothiX
Oh, wait, it's a poser thing? Doesn't matter if they're posers or not, anyone wearing black clothing is going to be held in more suspicion, again. Meaning I'm gonna have to pull out my dark blues.

CapNColostomy
03-23-2005, 03:40 AM
Originally posted by GothiX
Oh, wait, it's a poser thing?

Off topic, but I just have to know because I've noticed this a few times. I assume that comment is directed at Marilyn Manson fans. I'm not a fan, but I am curious. Why is being a fan of Marilyn Manson synonymous with being a poser? I mean, couldn't someone say that fans of your beloved Nightwish are posers and be just as accurate in their assumptions as you are? Just curious. For the record, I hate Manson. I hate Nightwish even more. But I don't think that their fans are "posers" just because they like triumphant whiny rock and have crapulent taste.

BongoBob
03-23-2005, 04:00 AM
I guess that someone could say that fans of Goatwhore are posers and be totally accurate? And same thing for *insert band I like here*. It can be said about them all, as long as someone doesn't like a band, then to someone, somewhere, all their fans are idiots/posers.

Back on topic, I hope the parents of the children that died can come through this hardship :(

CapNColostomy
03-23-2005, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by BongoBob
I guess that someone could say that fans of Goatwhore are posers and be totally accurate? And same thing for *insert band I like here*. It can be said about them all, as long as someone doesn't like a band, then to someone, somewhere, all their fans are idiots/posers.


That's...Right. I was basically saying the same thing. What I wanted to know was why?

ET Warrior
03-23-2005, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by GothiX
Oh, wait, it's a poser thing?

Well that's super, you've managed to turn a serious thread about a tragic event into another damned discussion about how leet your music tastes are and everyone else is a poser who listens to crap.

Please, we've all heard it, and it should stop.

toms
03-23-2005, 12:18 PM
Is it me, but you had a kid who's dad had killed himself, his mother had brain damage, he was withdrawn and didn't get on with anyone else, he was teased and picked on, he expressed admiration for hitler and he threatened (though maybe in jest) to kill everyone... shouldn't SOMEONE have taken an interest in a kid like that at some point?

He obviously has had a pretty messed up childhood... you would think they would be keeping a bit of on eye on him to see if he was doing ok.

Personally I think we should do away with the death sentence, but also stop using our tax money to feed and house these prisoners, we should go back to when we made them work for their food and decent sheltering. No more of this lounging around, working out, free tv crap.

I agree. Not specifically from a PUNISH THEM point of view, and definately not in the way it was exploited with chain gangs in the past, but because they could do a huge amount of good for society... building playgrounds for kids, and other worthwhile endeavours. the sort of thing that could make small but sigificant differences to society.

But educate them too so they can do something good when they come out. By all means give gym and tv time to those that work hard, but don't give it by deafult. ANyway... off topic now.. *slaps self*

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Is it me or do you not want to go to school in alaska? Or is that cos there are less than 100,000 schoolkids in the whole state???? :eek:

kipperthefrog
03-23-2005, 02:20 PM
Kid does shooting...

Blame the games...


If this cycle continues, they will ban our favorite violent video games.

I play violent video games all the time and I never had a thought about hurting anyone. If a person can't tell the difference between fantasy and reallity, it is not the games at fualt, it is the user.

is it just me or is this thread Senate Worthy?

jebbers
03-24-2005, 11:55 AM
bah this kid just gave us Natives another bad name.

Dagobahn Eagle
03-28-2005, 07:33 PM
I say hang all the Neo-Nazis. Problem solved.

My take: You can't completely rule out games, violent past, media, or anything else.

I'm not saying GTA causes you to go Columbine. But you know, for better or worse, games do affect you (even more if you're unstable, you know:p).

And so on.

And yeah, Bowling for Columbine is good. One good way to find out if I'm right? Ask the NRA. Anything they love is wrong. Everything they hate is awesome:D.

El Sitherino
03-28-2005, 07:50 PM
The thing about columbine was they also said shooting a gun is just like bowling. So bowling must also be to blame for school violence.