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lilJedi
03-22-2005, 02:49 PM
why no more Jedi Knight games? Do they not sell well? did they not sell well? I'd like to see a new game with todays graphics/sounds more animations etc....

with a good story it'd be cool...

TK-8252
03-22-2005, 09:31 PM
JK4? First they need to make JK3...

shukrallah
03-22-2005, 11:20 PM
TK, I don't think anyone here, or at lucasarts care more about what this game is called than you... don't start this debate again, lol. You know what he means. :D


I don't know, the JK games are still active. If anything LA is working more on its big ticket items right now: Empire at War and its latest seriers: KOTOR. They will expand upon KOTOR just like the JK series. KOTOR may have even replaced the JK series in Lucasarts' eyes. I hope not, but as of yet there is no word, nor even a rumor of a new JK game.

TK-8252
03-22-2005, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
TK, I don't think anyone here, or at lucasarts care more about what this game is called than you... don't start this debate again, lol. You know what he means. :D

Come on... it had to be said. :)

Neverhoodian
03-23-2005, 12:45 AM
Right now Lucasarts is pooling its efforts working on the KOTOR series and the Episode III game instead of a JK game. This isn't the first time the series has had a long hiatus: it took them five years to make a true sequel to Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II. Even if you count the Mysteries of the Sith add-on, it was still four long years before JO was made.

Even if they did make a new JK game, I don't know where they would go with it. They've pretty much exhausted the post-Endor storyline with Kyle Katarn. Go too much farther ahead and you run smack into the New Jedi Order and the Yuzzhan Vong. I'm sure they'll never make a NJO themed game for two major reasons:

1. Many people haven't read the books and don't have the foggiest idea what the heck the NJO is.

2. There are Star Wars fans (myself included) who don't like the NJO series and consequently would not buy any sort of merchandise connected to it.

Personally, I think the series has to go in a new direction. Perhaps they could create a JK game set in the prequel timeline or the Great Sith War/KOTOR time period. Maybe the series could return to its shooter roots in a game that's a cross between Dark Forces and Republic Commando. For now though, we're just going to have to wait.

RpTheHotrod
03-23-2005, 01:04 AM
Or a straight up JK game for multiplayer only. :p

JDKnite188
03-23-2005, 12:35 PM
These threads seem to pop up every other week!

It's not that they aren't going to make another game. They do sell well. It's just that no one knows if another sequel is coming up.

I don't know what they could with the jedi theme anymore.

I actually would like to see them do a prequel to JK:DF2 where you get to play the stories of the 7 dark jedi. That could be awesome, but I doubt that it would ever happen.

lilJedi
03-23-2005, 02:45 PM
I'd rather play an rpg like story ala kotor with FPS/3rd person mechanics... instead of kotor's combat.

Like how deus ex did it. deus ex was an RPG, but played from first person, and it had alot of content/dialogue and a good story, but the action was directly controlled by you.

I wish i could jump in kotor heh...its annoying running everywhere so slowly.

They made kotor 2 but what says they are focusing on the kotor series? is there a 3rd one in the making that you are saying this?

Obi_Kwiet
03-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
JK4? First they need to make JK3...

<3!

Kurgan
03-23-2005, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
JK4? First they need to make JK3...

I knew you were going to post this as soon as I saw the title.

I agree. They also need to get working on Dark Forces III and Mysteries of the Sith II... ;)

As to a new JK game, that all depends on what LA decides.

Time between games in the series:

DF to DF2:JK = 2 years (lots of delays)

DF2:JK to JK:MotS (expansion pack) = 4 months

DF2:JK/JK:MotS to JK2:JO = 4 years

JK2:JO to JK:JA = 1 1/2 years

Kurgan
03-23-2005, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by RpTheHotrod
Or a straight up JK game for multiplayer only. :p

That wouldn't be a bad idea, like a Jedi/Sith version of UT2k4 with loads of options. My opinion is that would be a great scenario, OR a Dark Side focused game, which could be done as a "what if" scenario, for say the original JK if Kyle turned to the Dark Side, or even JA, if Jaden had turned to the Dark Side.

It could thus overlap events with those previous games and expand into new territory with a focus not seen in the series thus far.

The new game thus need not take place in the NJO era or the KOTOR era necessarily.

DarkStarMojo
03-28-2005, 05:44 PM
Personally, I think the series has to go in a new direction. Perhaps they could create a JK game set in the prequel timeline or the Great Sith War/KOTOR time period. Maybe the series could return to its shooter roots in a game that's a cross between Dark Forces and Republic Commando. For now though, we're just going to have to wait.

I don't really see the advtange of putting the JK series during the same time line as KOTOR. Sounds like taking the easy way out. Besides KOTOR 1 & 2 already told the same story we'd get in a JK-themed shooter.

Now a more Dark Forces style game... that's interesting. I desperately want whatever we get to have good weapon balance, unlike JA.

They also need to get working on Dark Forces III and Mysteries of the Sith II...

I thought Jedi Outcast was Dark Forces III. ;)

I agree about a Mysteries of the Sith II, though. That'd be a great way to continue the series without running into serious timeline issues like the NJO while still making the game adaptable and different from what we've had in the past. Besides, Mara Jade is kind of like the female equivalent of Kyle. :D

Crow_Nest
03-29-2005, 09:48 AM
There probably won't be another Jedi Knight game for quite sometime i supposed. I think the reason why JA came out so quickly after JK2 was because Raven only modified the old JK2 engine (Which is a heavily modified Quake 3 Engine) by adding some new graphical improvements.

The next JK game would most likely use a different game engine, so they may have to spend sometime on making the new engine. This could take up to 5 years.

Tinny
03-29-2005, 01:51 PM
Revenue for last jk game wasn't too great, do you think they will continue the series?

dudedude7000
03-29-2005, 10:13 PM
I've always considered JA an expansion pack, so I'm thinking of the next JK game as JK3. Anyway, I agree with what Kurgan said. My idea would be to have a continuation of the dark side storyline from JK, and give you a choice to make at the beginning of the game that determines which plot unfolds (dark or light). For instance, it could be some sort of mercenary mission where you (playing as kyle katarn) have a choice to kill someone or bring them back alive, and the level is played in first person view even though you have a lightsaber. At the end of the level depending on what choice you made, it will show a cutscene of your character leaving the place wearing black robes or brown robes (black=dark, brown=light). And it would also be cool if they could implement a KotOR like system sort of how lilJedi said. Also I'd like to see a return to classic JK gameplay things like force jump that's not floaty etc. Making a system like UT2004's dodging system (double click) could prove cool too. Also I hope it uses the UE3 engine (please please) which means it wouldn't be coming out for a couple of years. Anyway, that's my list of what I would like JK3 to be. If JK3 sucessfully pulled off all of those things, it would easily be a 10 in my book, and I'm sure it would get outstanding reviews.

Tinny
03-29-2005, 10:22 PM
I want jk3/4 to have geo modding so badly :(

j3di_sean
04-05-2005, 03:12 AM
I'd very much like an expansion for J.Knight series. But, honestly, what can they possibly add? There already are various LS and DS powers in JA. Animations, etc.

I suppose one thing they should improve are the animations. Compare the wall-run in Warrior Within to that of Jedi Academy. Warrior within's animations are MUCH more convincing than a Jedi's.

(If i had a PS2, I'd go for the Episode 3 game)

Nokill
04-07-2005, 04:48 AM
i think thay can better make the ultimate JK game
Travel to all kind of planets fight like a JK2 jedi shoot like a Republic Commando
balance it all in a good way *looking at some mods*
and add ships and erm EVRYTHING!!! and make it Star Wars the GAME!!! or something catchy :D

jedispy
04-07-2005, 01:24 PM
I agree with Nokill. I would love to see a game that has spaceflight (either sophisticated like X-wing vs. TIE, or simple like Descent), have some FPS like the JK games (also Republic commando), and perhaps even have some RTS like Starcraft & SW Galactic Battleground. It would of course require a DVD rom for installation.


Also there are profitability risks, in that nobody would probably want to buy it. I'd pay for it though.

DarkStarMojo
04-08-2005, 12:50 AM
I don't think it's a good idea to include space fighters like the X-Wing and TIE Fighter in a Jedi Knight game but there should be some vehicles, like in JA.

Now, I've been giving the possibilities of a new Jedi Knight game (either as JK3/4 or JA2) some thought and I think I've figured out, personally, where it might fit in while still allowing us to play as Kyle. :D

WARNING: The rest of this post contains a few JA spoilers. For anyone who hasn't finished the game on both settings, read at your own risk!




Okay, the game could take place a year after the conclusion of Jedi Academy's dark side ending. Jaden has stolen the cepter of Ragnos to us for his/her own twisted desires and Kyle, as he told Luke at the end of JA, will track Jaden down since he/she is his responsibility. Basically, the game could deal with Kyle's search for Jaden and attempt to redeem his former student before it's too late. And how would the game deal with the whole Jaden customization feature, I'm sure you're all asking? Simple. The same method used in KOTORII, where they ask you about your character from the first game could be applied here. As Kyle looks for clues as to where Jaden's hiding out, he has to answer questions about Jaden's appearance, gender, species, etc., thus allowing the player to ultimately determine what Jaden looks like.

shukrallah
04-10-2005, 05:50 PM
Make better models. Ive been playing other games, even older than these, and seen awesome models, with amazing detail. JKA/JK2 have small wimpy thin models, while other games have big bulk models that look good (look at RC!) Add to the story... do something. Revive this game at least.

jedispy
04-11-2005, 01:37 AM
That's why I say do a Dark Forces Prequel. Morgan and Rahn discover the Valley of the Jedi circa the establishment of the New Order of the Empire. It could even take place during the great Jedi Purge. Player could be Rahn. Whoa man....so many awesome possibilities.

Hey Lucasarts! Feel free to use my idea. I'll even be happy to pay full price for a copy. Just make it!!!

ploegman
04-12-2005, 10:01 AM
I think there should be an expansion packfor Jedi Academy. There should be more adventures of Jaden Korr. I liked the mission choosing and planet hopping in JKJA, but now they should introduce something serious in the game, based on the ending of the original game, so the expansion can be played both ways, depending on the path you chose in the original.:lsduel:

JDKnite188
04-12-2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by jedispy
That's why I say do a Dark Forces Prequel. Morgan and Rahn discover the Valley of the Jedi circa the establishment of the New Order of the Empire. It could even take place during the great Jedi Purge. Player could be Rahn. Whoa man....so many awesome possibilities.

Hey Lucasarts! Feel free to use my idea. I'll even be happy to pay full price for a copy. Just make it!!!

Yeah, I was thinking about a prequel to Jedi Knight that allows the player to jump into the stories of the 7 dark jedi: Jerec, Boc, Sariss, Yun, etc. It would rock too.

OR they should make a full blown game that expands on Mysteries of the Sith, the great expansion to JK. I liked the fact that the stories were all about the New Republic and stuff not related to past games or the movies. It was different.

X-Wing Pilot 5
04-12-2005, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Neverhoodian
Even if they did make a new JK game, I don't know where they would go with it. They've pretty much exhausted the post-Endor storyline with Kyle Katarn.

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, at the end of JA's Dark Side storyline, there's a potential sequel, as Kyle decides to [temporarily] quit the Academy in order to pursue Jaden, while Jaden now, as a Sith, has some position with the Empire, and God knows what he'll do with that staff.

Of course, Kyle is now maxed out on Force powers, and it would seem a bit redundant/repetitious/cheesy for Kyle to loose/severe his connection with his Force powers again. On the other hand, said potential plotline could make for a good SP campaign...

God bless,

X-Wing Pilot 5

DarkStarMojo
04-12-2005, 09:56 PM
Any prequel JK game has to tie directly into the whole Valley of the Jedi plotline, otherwise, it's just a prequel shooter and not an official part of the Jedi Knight series, IMO. Perhaps Kyle's father, Morgan, was really a Jedi Knight and that's how he knows Rahn but after the Emperor took over he abandoned the force like Yoda and Obi-Wan did.

Player could be Rahn. Whoa man....so many awesome possibilities.

Agreed. It could take place before Ep4, maybe sometime around Ep3 since that's the current timeline LEC seems to be exploring.

Hey Lucasarts! Feel free to use my idea. I'll even be happy to pay full price for a copy. Just make it!!!

Exactly my thoughts. As long as it's actually connected to the Jedi Knight series (or MotS) I'll pay full price.

Ham Yoyo
04-14-2005, 09:20 PM
I would love to see a new Jedi Knight game. But I think LEC is concentrating on the prequels and that is why they made Republic Commando. All we know for sure is LEC is still making first person shooters. The Episode III game that comes out next month may be pretty good.

manoman81
04-20-2005, 09:59 PM
Well, after playing JA again for the first time in about....6-8 months, I've been wondering what they will do next. Personally, I liked KOTOR even though I'm not a real RPG person. However, I think Mara Jade needs to come back and rock the galaxy again. Another MOTS would be great. The prequels sound like a good idea as well now that Ep. 3 is about out. I don't know. There's a lot of ways they could do this. My only hope is that they don't rush the new one like they have on a couple of other games recently.

DarkLord60
04-20-2005, 10:24 PM
I say put all games on hold and make a new X-wing and Tie Fighter series, that way I dont have to play galaxies anymore

Sabretooth
04-21-2005, 02:28 AM
Um... Raven is currently very busy with Quake IV. I don't think they would want to share Quake's spotlight with Jedi Knight 3 (I'm with TK). If it has to be made, It will be after Quake IV (which means after about a year or so), or it has to be developed by someone else.

I'm sure most of you won't trust the latter. ;)

Windu Chi
04-21-2005, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by lilJedi
I'd rather play an rpg like story ala kotor with FPS/3rd person mechanics... instead of kotor's combat.

Like how deus ex did it. deus ex was an RPG, but played from first person, and it had alot of content/dialogue and a good story, but the action was directly controlled by you.

I wish i could jump in kotor heh...its annoying running everywhere so slowly.

They made kotor 2 but what says they are focusing on the kotor series? is there a 3rd one in the making that you are saying this?

These are great ideas lilJedi. This is what I bend trying to tell those idiotic fools at ''StarWarsKnights'' fourm that to turn KOTOR III into action mix Role playing game with a free will combat system but the people that repiled to my post keep fearing that it will cause KOTOR to lose its role playing aspect and they want LA to stick with that blasted d20 probability system. :mad: :swear: