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STTCT
03-25-2005, 08:37 PM
No thread on the new PSP?


Maybe I missed it - Anyways did anyone buy one? I got to hold one and play one at work. Woohoo. It is amazing. It's graphics look as good as my PS2 and its screen is so clear. I can't believe how Spiderman looked on it. Absolutely amazing. I want it - but it is so expensive :(

LightNinja
03-25-2005, 08:49 PM
So it is better or the same than nintendo DS?

Sam
03-25-2005, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by LightNinja
So it is better or the same than nintendo DS?


I own Both and love my DS but the PSP is just Freaking awsome.



better <.< >.>

swphreak
03-25-2005, 09:26 PM
I would get the PSP if it
1) Didn't cost as much as a fullsized console
2) Didn't have all this media player crap
3) Lower game prices
and 4) Longer battery life ;)

My main beef with the PSP is it's media player junk. I already have an MP3 Player, 'Portable DVD player" (laptop), and I have a PS2.

Now I'm not saying it's crap, I'm just syaing I wouldn't buy one for those reasons.

I very heart my DS.

KBell
03-25-2005, 09:56 PM
what a waste of money imo

Gameboy > all

Acrylic
03-25-2005, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
I would get the PSP if it
1) Didn't cost as much as a fullsized console

A DS costs $150 - the same as a PS2 and an XBOX.

swphreak
03-25-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Acrylic
A DS costs $150 - the same as a PS2 and an XBOX.

And when they were first released, they were about 300 bucks. Besides, both of those are really old and have bene out for a while. The PSP is brand new.

The pirce of a DS on release was $150. Since it can also play GBA games. It's like buying a GBA and a DS. What do I get with the PSP? UMDs, a bunch of useless mediaplayer crap, and incredibly low battery life. No thank you.

jebbers
03-25-2005, 10:44 PM
im a BIG Nintendo follower...SNES, N64, GB(every one of them), GameCube, DS....i have no PS2 or Xbox...i like my Nintendo systems!

Astrotoy7
03-25-2005, 11:11 PM
I think the PSp is damn cool, but i also think that playing titles like that are available on the ps2 are much more suited to the confines of your home, with a beanbag, some friends over and some beer and pizza... I dunno.... I do love gadgets, but I rarely pay full price for things ;)

mtfbwya

shukrallah
03-25-2005, 11:16 PM
I don't think I am going to buy anymore hand helds. Most likley Nintendo and Soney will release an adapter to play the DS/PSP games on their PS3s or Revolutions.

I know Nintendo did it with the GBA. Whats the point of buying a GBA when I can get the adapter for my GCN for $50?

BongoBob
03-25-2005, 11:17 PM
I'm tryin to save up for one. This is gonna take a while : |

But yeah, it looks freakin awsome. For those of us like me that don't have a portable dvd player and an mp3 player(had one, it broke), this is freakin awsome. The man reasons I want it are the games though. It has right now, a Dynasty Warriors game, a metal gear game, and a NFSU game. Later on it's getting it's own GTA and the full version of THUG2 plus more, on a fraggin handheld.

*continues waiting for money*

Neverhoodian
03-26-2005, 12:09 AM
Personally, my Gameboy Advance SP suits me fine. I'm not that interested in buying either the PSP or the Nintendo DS. Still, I have to say that it's amazing what they can do with handhelds these days.

tags
03-26-2005, 01:16 AM
with the nintendo DS's instant messages to another, do you have to have a user name, online access or does it go straight to whoever you command? How does that work?:confused:

Sam
03-26-2005, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
incredibly low battery life.


Battery life is 6-7ish hours playing games Thatís pretty long to be playing a handheld.

Even if the battery dies or you turn it off in the middle of a game you will be right back where you left off when you turn it on again.

GothiX
03-26-2005, 10:12 AM
I really don't like PSP, I prefer Photosho- oh wait.

swphreak
03-26-2005, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Sam
Battery life is 6-7ish hours playing games Thatís pretty long to be playing a handheld.

I've been told that battery life is dependant on the game, but even so, the DS far surpasses the PSP in battery life. I haven't had to charge my DS since I used it for Spring Break. It would have been a real pain trying to find an outlet at the airport to try and recharge my PSP.

Posted by member from another forum
Messing around with the PSP yesterday - adding the EpiIII video to check the movie playback, messing with Lumines, Untold Legends, MP3 playback, photo viewing, and Spidey 2. And I got to the red 'battery low'. I say messing, as it couldn't have been much more than a couple of hours.

Sam
03-26-2005, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
I've been told that battery life is dependant on the game, but even so, the DS far surpasses the PSP in battery life. I haven't had to charge my DS since I used it for Spring Break. It would have been a real pain trying to find an outlet at the airport to try and recharge my PSP.


And I got to the red 'battery low'

The light doesn't turn red when the battery is low and the icon isnít red either.


*Edit* Nevermind I really don't have the time for the test. The DS battery life is better though.

KBell
03-26-2005, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Sam

*Edit* Nevermind I really don't have the time for the test. The DS battery life is better though.

You post like, 50 times a day. Ofcourse you have the time xD

Sam
03-26-2005, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by KBell
You post like, 50 times a day. Ofcourse you have the time xD

I hardly ever post.

You're probably thinking of the fishier Sam.

RoxStar
03-26-2005, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by GothiX
I really don't like PSP, I prefer Photosho- oh wait.

I have both. Oh. Handhelds.

I have a Gameboy Advance, which I cannot find at the moment. :(. When I'm on a cartrip, airport, or just away from stuff to do, I read. Seriously, I'm never going to buy another handheld console, If I want mobile gaming, I'll get a laptop.

KBell
03-27-2005, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by Sam
I hardly ever post.

You're probably thinking of the fishier Sam.

oh......*points to your sig*


:p

txa1265
03-27-2005, 09:24 PM
I now have:
- GBA SP
- DS
- PSP

Other than that it is Mac & PC for gaming (i.e. no consoles).

My fave game types are FPS and RPG.

My DS mainly plays GBA titles, which it does very well. It is currently playing Zelda: Minish Cap, which I believe is a better game than anything I've seen playing on the PSP.

The general DS titles have had little appeal to me.

As for my PSP, I got Lumines and Untold Legends. Lumines is definitely 21st century Tetris ... but is it worth $300?!?! Untold Legends is a nice game, the load times are bad - >2 minutes from Pressin [X] to start until I am in action ... that is bad enough on a PC game!

Also, anyone who tries to sell you video / music / photo as anything but a novelty isn't being realistic - they are OK, nothing more.

As for battery life, my first charge on the PSP I got a few hours of heavy duty messing around with everything. My first charge on the DS took me through most of Final Fantasy I, plu some FFI and Mario 64 for my kids.

Mike

El Sitherino
03-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by KBell
what a waste of money imo

Gameboy > all ^

The PSP just didn't impress me at all, stupid little gimmicks that last a month at most. All I want is some gaming.

Astrotoy7
03-27-2005, 11:52 PM
it isnt extremely surprising that the DS > psp for battery life, uf you think about the type of grafix it cranks out, that type of processing power sucks juice, now matter how well something is designed...

If I ever get a PSP, I would be looking at one of those cases that have a battery within them themselves as well as protecting that huge a$$ screen in downtime :)

what I would like to know, if the format is universal, ie. there is no PAL>NTSC differentiation like the consoles ?? This would make it easier as I can get stuff hella cheap from my friends in asia :) Im actually even going there myself later this year so might pick one up then if the format wasnt an issue...

mtfbwya

kipperthefrog
03-28-2005, 10:28 AM
I heard PSP costs 300 if you want all the upgrades. if I pay that much i might as well wait for the PS3. at leadt it will be compatable with ps2 and ps1. and better graphice on ps3.

txa1265
03-28-2005, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by kipperthefrog
I heard PSP costs 300 if you want all the upgrades. I don't know what 'all the upgrades' means, but let me put it this way:
- The PSP costs $250 with the basics and *NO GAMING AT ALL* - not even a playable demo like the DS has.
- The 'value pack' is a con job - it includes just the 32MB memory card which is *required* to save games, AC adapter, which is a necessity, the slip case, which is very basic and should also be considered a necessity, a 'movie demo' of games, a wipe for the screen, and Spiderman 2, basically a commercial to watch movies on it. So anyone saying 'it is an extra pack, you can get the basic PSP for much less' ... it is a load of crap.
- So given that the *least* you'll pay is $40 for a game, you are looking at $300 to play *one* game.
- I got two games, and so paid ~$350. I have not added extra memory stick, as I seelittle value right now.

Mike

toms
03-29-2005, 11:05 AM
The whole thing is confusing me.

If you would have asked me before they launched I would have said the PSP was going to suck and the DS was much more innovative.

The touchscreen should be great, the dual screen clamshell should be the best formfactor, etc..

But there have been almost NO decent lauch titles for the DS, and the few that do use the touchscreen use it is peripheral or gimmicky ways. Also they have failed to exploit any of it's PDA potential in terms of things like web browsing or email.

PSP on the other hand seemed overpowered for a portable, seem to use stupid proprietory formats (UMD and memory stick) and have a stupid formfactor for scratched screens...

But, the lauch software has looked pretty good (if a bit full of ports and with long load times), the prices of memory stick duos have begun to drop to the point that the few gigs needed might be feasible and they seem about ready to lauch email and web browsing accessories.

Add to that the fact people are coding p2p psp video encoders and that it may be possible to link it up to an ipod over usb and it all looks a bit more promising.

Still, having already owned a handheld that would play back video from memory cards (gp32) I have to say that I rarely used the feature as the hassle of transcoding it and the small size meant it wasn't great to watch... plus you actually rarely find the uninterrupted time to watch whole films. I mainly used it for short cartoon episodes.

I've played with both, and neither hugely impressed me... so i'm waiting until the software situation irons itslelf out, at whcih point one might become worth buying.

Still, nintendo seems to be managing to mess it up AGAIN due to lack of software/extra features... which is just mind blowing.

El Sitherino
03-29-2005, 11:18 AM
I don't see how nintendo messed up. Their thing is gaming, not multimedia systems. All they need now is to put out more DS titles. The PSP is a gimmick that will lose it's novelty after a while. It was a good effort, and will help Sony in the future when they decide to make another portable, but it's a flop that's riding on it's hype that will eventually die out. The DS isn't perfect either, it has it's flaws, but atleast it's not a giant gimmick, but it is running a bit too much on it's touch screen goodness. Needs to incorporate it's features more into necessity for games.

txa1265
03-29-2005, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Their thing is gaming, not multimedia systems. All they need now is to put out more DS titles. Exactly - so where are they?!?! I have had mine since Christmas, and have spent <1 hour on non-GBA stuff, 30 on Metroid demo, 30 on Mario. And what is coming that interests me either has no target date (Final Fantasy III and FF Crystal Chronicles) or no details - Episode III game.

Originally posted by InsaneSith
The PSP is a gimmick that will lose it's novelty after a while. It was a good effort, and will help Sony in the future when they decide to make another portable, but it's a flop that's riding on it's hype that will eventually die out. I don't think I agree - while the non-gaming aspects are gimmicky, which is basically why PDA's are a dying breed, the game system is actually really good. I hate the UMD thing, but am used to it - it is like loading times on a new PC game (think HL2 - small areas with long loads) The analog controller is silky smooth, the overall control scheme is pretty efficient. The graphics are great, the sound is OK, so if the games come, it will be OK. I don't see it poised to take over the world, it is just too darn expensive, and no way it can come down all that much - they're probably already losing money at $250!

Originally posted by InsaneSith
The DS isn't perfect either, it has it's flaws, but atleast it's not a giant gimmick, but it is running a bit too much on it's touch screen goodness. Needs to incorporate it's features more into necessity for games. ??? The whole touch screen thing is not a gimmick?!?! It is a gimmick, and one taht is proving hard for developers to put to good use. I like the thought of the FPS control for it ... we'll see when metroid comes ...

Mike

El Sitherino
03-29-2005, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by txa1265
I don't think I agree - while the non-gaming aspects are gimmicky, which is basically why PDA's are a dying breed, the game system is actually really good. I hate the UMD thing, but am used to it - it is like loading times on a new PC game (think HL2 - small areas with long loads) The analog controller is silky smooth, the overall control scheme is pretty efficient. The graphics are great, the sound is OK, so if the games come, it will be OK. I don't see it poised to take over the world, it is just too darn expensive, and no way it can come down all that much - they're probably already losing money at $250!

That's my point, they put too much into the multimedia gimmicks that it's just ridiculous, sure it plays nice for how long it does, but when it's at such an absurd price and with such little battery life, and mostly novelty features, it's a flop. Your money is better spent on a home console, or a portable dvd player with ability to use as a console video display.

Originally posted by txa1265
??? The whole touch screen thing is not a gimmick?!?! It is a gimmick, and one taht is proving hard for developers to put to good use. I like the thought of the FPS control for it ... we'll see when metroid comes ...
It is a gimmick, but not a giant one like the multimedia garbage that's clogged up the PSP. It atleast has a chance for practicality. There is a chance for it to be put to good use, but so far it hasn't, so gimmicky, but not a giant waste like the multimedia stuff on the PSP. Sorry for the confusion.

PDA's are dying because their niche has been filled with new cell phone capabilities that rival that of new PDA's. Plus with smaller, lighter, more advanced laptops, PDA's are no longer of much need since we have laptops some can easily fit in their pockets. Check out the tiny sony laptops, I can fit 3 in my side cargo pockets, 1 in my pockets in my slacks. They're (PDA's) kingdom has been dismantled.

Boba Rhett
03-29-2005, 09:21 PM
When they fix the glaring problems, I may get one.

legameboy
03-29-2005, 09:33 PM
I'd get a DS if someone bought one for me...

Right now I have to save up for all the Star Wars crap that will come out when Episode III (or around then) is released.

If I had a million dollars...

*sigh*

Lynk Former
03-29-2005, 10:59 PM
My advice to all of you who are going to buy a PSP or are considering it...

You're better off waiting for the PS3.

Astrotoy7
03-30-2005, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by legameboy
I'd get a DS if someone bought one for me...

Right now I have to save up for all the Star Wars crap that will come out when Episode III (or around then) is released.

If I had a million dollars...

*sigh*

c'mon leggie, lets rob a bank together !!!

:p

mtfbwya

txa1265
03-30-2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Lynk Former
My advice to all of you who are going to buy a PSP or are considering it...

You're better off waiting for the PS3. Why? Will the PS3 fit in my pants pocket?!?! Cool ... :cool:

Mike

Sam
03-30-2005, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
When they fix the glaring problems, I may get one.

Besides battery life what problems are you talking about?

swphreak
03-30-2005, 03:07 PM
I've also bene hearing about dead pixels on screens.

It really irks me how people say that the PSP is better than the DS because it can play movies and mp3s. Wow! You can listen to 8 songs! And you get to buy movies twice! One for DVDs, and 1 for UMD!

It's like someone said, comparing a DS and PSP is like comparing PCs and Macs. They're two different experiences.

txa1265
03-30-2005, 03:20 PM
People will try to convince you that UMD isn't the way movies will be played, that people will be ripping DVD's onto Mem Sticks ... but given that a movie will be >500MB, you will need a 1GB card, which are still pretty costly (>$125 anyway). Then there is the whole rip and transfer over a cable which is not provided ...

That means it is for geeks (like me ;) ), and I'm done with that stuff. Sure I'd buy any of the Star Wars movies for UMD, and maybe a couple of others, but not much else.

Mike

Boba Rhett
03-30-2005, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Sam
Besides battery life what problems are you talking about?


It sounds like they're built poorly, or at least not sturdy enough. They can be twisted, which causes the mini disks to shoot out the back. Also, the buttons are apparently cheap plastic and have been breaking a lot.

They're getting dead pixel problems as well but some of that's to be expected.

txa1265
03-30-2005, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett It sounds like they're built poorly, or at least not sturdy enough. Let me just say that this is *not* a GBA SP competitor ... this is an *adult* toy.

My kids are pretty gentle with their SP's, but at my younger son's cub scout meeting at our house the other night, one of the siblings - a 4 year old - had an SP playing some Scooby Doo game. It looked like he could have shot the cartridge out of that thing! Watching him, it was hard to believe it was made from plastic and glass ...

Mike

Sam
03-30-2005, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
It sounds like they're built poorly, or at least not sturdy enough. They can be twisted, which causes the mini disks to shoot out the back. Also, the buttons are apparently cheap plastic and have been breaking a lot.

They're getting dead pixel problems as well but some of that's to be expected.

It's pretty sturdy, not as sturdy as my brick of a DS though and the buttons have been fixed in the US version.

I twisted it as hard as I could with that hole in my wallet in mind and the disk didn't shoot out. If thats true you would have to twist it pretty hard to get the disk out.

Boba Rhett
03-30-2005, 04:34 PM
Oh, right. I forgot that it was perfectly acceptable for toys to be built poorly if they're for older age groups. My bad.

:confused:


The target market here is still teens. Even if it wasn't, the psp adverts all show people walking around everywhere with the psps dangling around their necks. Which means that they'e going to get banged up one way or another from what is presented in commercials as their perfectly normal use. The fact is that portables need to be able to take a licking, even if they are targeted for older users.

Not a competitor? The PSP is totally, completely in competition with the GBA. They aren't trying to develop a totally seperate "PSP market" just for the psp to rule in. This is a handheld war that Nintendo has dominated in for 10+ years and the PSP is Sony's try at grabbing some of the handheld market from them.


They fixed the buttons on the U.S. version, Sam? That's good to hear.

txa1265
03-30-2005, 04:43 PM
I'm not sure you could have misunderstood my intent more ;)

Originally posted by Boba Rhett I forgot that it was perfectly acceptable for toys to be built poorly if they're for older age groups.
Not what I meant - I meant that unlike the sturdy things targeted at younger kids and teens, this is more like the early high-end iPaqs, which would have been toast in 15 seconds if handled like people handled their PalmIII ...
Originally posted by Boba Rhett The fact is that portables need to be able to take a licking, even if they are targeted for older users.
Yep. I saw a very responsible teen, going to help a young kid, drop their CD player out of their sweatshirt, and the headphones pulled out and the CD shot out ... but it worked perfectly fine right after. I don't think the PSP could handle a bang, let alone a drop.
Originally posted by Boba Rhett Not a competitor? The PSP is totally, completely in competition with the GBA Not in the way I stated - there is no competition in how well they are put together or how durable they are. You give this to a 5 year old who takes it on the bus - you might just have well used $300 for kindling! It won't make it to school the first time!

Mike

toms
03-31-2005, 07:36 AM
I think the "badly made" arguments are being blown out of all proportion. Any new techie item is bound to have a few teething troubles, but as i understand it the number with problems is very small, the problems are mostly minor and most have been fixed. Dead pixels are no more a problem with PSPs than DSs or any other LCD technology.

Battery life may be an issue, but at least it isn't as bad as it looked like it would be.

Still, without trying one for a prolonged period it is hard to get a good impression, but i wouldn't believe they are cheaply made rubbish.

It really irks me how people say that the PSP is better than the DS because it can play movies and mp3s. Wow! You can listen to 8 songs! And you get to buy movies twice! One for DVDs, and 1 for UMD!

That was exactly what I thought, but now it is starting to look like the UMD drive will only really be used for games... everything else can be ripped onto the memory stick (urgh, why couldn't they have used SD cards... i'd have bought a sony T3 camera by now as well if they used decent memory).

Memory cards are dropping in price at massive speed, you can get 1gb now for the price you paid for 128Mb 12 months ago. (though memory sticks are still the most expensive format). In 6 month when you can get a 5gb card for a reasonable price they will be very handy.

As for the PDA thing, i agree that pdas are dying out, as you are starting to get their functionality on other devices... like phones... or PSPS!. If you have a handheld with built in wireless, a good screen (or a stylus) it is daft NOT to include email and internet options... looks like sony are going to do so, i just hope nintendo do it too...

But, overall, the thing that has me moving more towards the PSP than my initial DS stance is the games... (eg there aren't any good ones for DS), and the fact that the PSP which WAS all hype seems to be maintaining all the buzz online... which means it has the momentum, and people are starting to code for it and come up with clever ideas (bittorrent movie converter plugins, psp to ipod linkups, etc..).

I just haven't seen any of that for the DS (yet?)

El Sitherino
03-31-2005, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by toms
I just haven't seen any of that for the DS (yet?) Seems to me you aren't looking hard enough. :p

Me, I'm waiting to see what my game choices are for the DS before I get one, if I get one. Right now I'm content with my first release GBA.

txa1265
03-31-2005, 08:10 AM
Mac users rejoice!

PocketMac for PSP (http://pocketmac.net/products/pmpsp/index.html) allows you to sync up iTunes, and your contacts via 'pictures'.

Cool stuff ... though I think that PDA software for the DS would rule!

Mike

swphreak
03-31-2005, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by txa1265
Cool stuff ... though I think that PDA software for the DS would rule!

Mike

The DS has a touch screen, it could be possible :p

I wouldn't be suprised if some company did make a "PDA" component. Slap all the programs on a DS/GBA cartridge.

Darth Groovy
03-31-2005, 11:27 PM
I want a PSP, I really do. However it is about 200 and too many dollars too expensive for my current budget. :(

txa1265
04-01-2005, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
The DS has a touch screen, it could be possible :p

I wouldn't be suprised if some company did make a "PDA" component. Slap all the programs on a DS/GBA cartridge. Well, we *know* that Nintendo has licensed the PalmOS, so ...

Mike

Astrotoy7
04-01-2005, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by txa1265
Well, we *know* that Nintendo has licensed the PalmOS, so ...

Mike

or you can get a pda and get an emulator :p Morphgear is an absolutely excellent emulator for Windows Mobile OS :)

mtfbwya

toms
04-01-2005, 06:02 AM
i'm sure everyone is fed up with them now, but there is a pretty good in depth review of the PSP at ars technica. Fairly balanced look at pros and cons, games and PSP vs DS.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/psp.ars

The DS does what it does amazingly well. I love the touch screen, the backwards compatibility, and the price. For $150 it handles my handheld needs very nicely for gaming, and with the GBA library backing it up and falling in price by the day it's an incredible value. The system can take a beating and the screen is always protected.

The PSP is of course far higher on the tech tree, and the price point reflects that. The hardware itself is a full $100 higher than the DS, and that's without a memory stick or game. It's clearly a much more "big boy" toy, and it shows. The screen is larger and brighter, not to mention much more exposed. It's not as easy to use and requires a computer for the MP3 and video features. There's clearly an age line that cuts between the two, and the PSP offers a lot more for the older gamer who wants something a lot more immersive and varied in their handheld system.

Seems to me you aren't looking hard enough.

Cool, point me at some homebrew DS utilities! I'm ready! Hit me! :eek: