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Darth Andrew
03-30-2005, 07:53 PM
enlisted men or clones? From the movies, I thought that they were enlisted men, but while reading a magizine I saw a Star Wars Trading Card Game ad, and one of the cards shown was the scout trooper. Below its name it said something like: Imperial Clone Scout Trooper. So does anyone have any reliable sources on which is it???

Boba Rhett
03-30-2005, 08:09 PM
They started out as all clones but then they started massive recruiting programs after the clone wars from what I understand.

Kurgan
03-30-2005, 09:43 PM
Apparently Lucas now intends them to be Clones, all.

This from the AOTC director's commentary. According to a LucasFilm rep (Pablo Hidalgo if I'm spelling his name right) in the OT era they've mixed in other "templates" for Clones from a variety of sources other than Jango and that's why they don't all look exactly alike (or like Temura Morrison).

So yeah, what we all thought based on the EU seems to have changed...

It's possible that the retcon will be that after the Emperor died the Remnant didn't have enough money or time to build more clones and/or the tech was lost and they were forced to use recruites or draftees.

We could say that any EU characters that are clearly not clones who claim to have been in the Stormtrooper ranks must have been non-clone Stormtrooper OFFICERS (Academies are for officers) rather than just plain troopers. Or else they were clones and somehow didn't realize they were (amnesia? brainwashing?).

Another problem is that even if the fact that they were clones was known only to the Senate and Palpatine's inner circle, it would be strange that nobody in the military would notice. And since the Rebellion is made up of troops, officers and Senate officials who defected, it would be strange that none of them would realize Stormies were clones. Also, in battles they would have had to see the faces of Stormtroopers they took the helmets off of after taking them prisoner or taking their armor after killing them (like Luke and Han did), so why would they be "shocked" to see two men who looked identical every so often? A lot of twins?

I dunno, I leave it up to those authors. ;)

TK-8252
03-30-2005, 09:47 PM
This'll likely be revealed in RotS (for sure this time, not just EU references).

*Statement in a leaked RotS visual dictionary page*

Clones are also being grown on other worlds, with cells produced from new templates.

Which means they're using other cloning facilities than Kamino, and aren't using the Jango template (bad decision).

After Palpatine's creation of the Empire, academies for the training of non-clone Imperial officers will appear.

So this means the officers aren't clones. Since there's no Jedi to be commanders, they need real people to take their place in command.

Maybe the grunt Stormtroopers are clones, but their officers (including field commanders who wear armor in combat, hence the color-coded pauldrons on Sandtroopers) are enlisted men who went to these academies. Come to think of it, EU sources of ex-Imperials (i.e. Kyle Katarn, General Madine, Biggs Darklighter, even Han Solo) portray them as officers.

Maybe we'll get more clarification through RotS materials.

Kurgan
03-30-2005, 09:53 PM
Guess I'll take your word for it (not reading the spoilers, but assuming your info is accurate). Of course unless it's explicitly stated in the new movie plenty of people won't accept it. They'll just say that in the 20+ years between trilogies it changed or something.

But since the EU (written during and after ROTS) will surely go in line with what Lucas wants, whatever he wants from the film will be supported. Still rather than just disregard those old sources they'll probably try to salvage them either by saying mixed in recruites or lots and lots of clone templates and possible brainwashing so they don't realize they are clones and a massive news blackout so nobody realizes it outside of Palpy's inner circle.

shukrallah
03-31-2005, 11:16 AM
In my opinion, after the clone troopers, they should have left cloning alone. It doesn't make sence when compared with the OT, Video Games, and Books.

Even in Jedi Academy, a mercenary said:

"I can hardly see in this thing, its like being a stormtrooper all over again!"

His partner replied:

"You were a stormtrooper!?"


"Yeah, but I couldn't stand taking orders, so I jumped ship first chance I got."


A clone wouldn't "jump ship" as he said. I just wish lucas had left a few things the way they were.

Darth Andrew
03-31-2005, 01:15 PM
Yeah, it ticks me off that he is disregarding pretty much everything that people have created for the expanded universe.:mad: He would barley be able to make these movies if it weren't for all the money EU stuff brings in.

coupes.
03-31-2005, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Darth Andrew
Yeah, it ticks me off that he is disregarding pretty much everything that people have created for the expanded universe.:mad: He would barley be able to make these movies if it weren't for all the money EU stuff brings in. And just how would they be able to make any money if it wasn't for GL ans his movies ? Lucas can do watherver he wants with his movies and I don't blame him. Let's not turn this into a EU vs movies thread though.

Darth Andrew
03-31-2005, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by coupes.
And just how would they be able to make any money if it wasn't for GL ans his movies ?

Yes, true, but still.... Oh well. :( *sigh*

shukrallah
03-31-2005, 03:57 PM
His own ideas conflict with his own movies! Han was an imperial (I know what you guys said before, but in actuallity we don't know what Hans rank was!)

There are too many inconsistencies. Everytime I watch the OT the shadow of the prequels hangs over me... they are not as enjoyable as they once were.

So coupes., you mean to tell me that the EU writers/game developers make their money only on Star Wars? If Star Wars wasn't around they would be writing other books or making other games. ;)

coupes.
03-31-2005, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 So coupes., you mean to tell me that the EU writers/game developers make their money only on Star Wars? If Star Wars wasn't around they would be writing other books or making other games. ;) No, of course not. You're putting words in my mouth. Darth Andrew said GL would barely be able to make his movies without the profit from the EU stuff, which I beleive to be totally untrue. My point was that all tha EU stuff wouldn't sell half as good as it does if it didn't have a "Star Wars" label on it, it's not the same thing.

shukrallah
03-31-2005, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by coupes.
No, of course not. You're putting words in my mouth. Darth Andrew said GL would barely be able to make his movies without the profit from the EU stuff, which I beleive to be totally untrue. My point was that all tha EU stuff wouldn't sell half as good as it does if it didn't have a "Star Wars" label on it, it's not the same thing.

Oh Ok :D


And TK- Thats my point, that merc wouldn't have been a clone. He would have been a normal person. Although wouldn't he have had to take orders under Tavion? :rolleyes: Kinda dumb, but either way, he wasn't a clone.

About Han- I am not exactly sure how he served the Empire, but I know somehow he wound up on Kashykk and saved Chewie from slavery/death or something.

Kurgan
03-31-2005, 09:53 PM
It never says in the movies that Han Solo was ever part of the Empire, does it?


Where does this info that he was an ex-Imperial actually come from originally? I'm just curious.

'Cause the charge is being made that Lucas is contradicting his own movies, but I don't remember anything about Han being a former Imperial from the films alone...

El Sitherino
03-31-2005, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Where does this info that he was an ex-Imperial actually come from originally? I'm just curious. EU books, Han Solo trilogy.

But there's really not contradiction in the movies.

Not to mention, who cares about EU, Lucas can do whatever the hell he wants with his movies.

Kurgan
04-01-2005, 01:22 AM
Okay thanks. I kind of figured, but it's been a long time and for all I knew it was in the original Star Wars novel (which would make it G-level canon).

I haven't read the Han Solo trilogy, so I asked. ;)

Prime
04-01-2005, 10:45 AM
Stormtroopers are clones. Full Stop.



Next question? :)

TK-8252
04-01-2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Prime
Stormtroopers are clones.

...Except their officers. :)

Kurgan
04-03-2005, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
...Except their officers. :)

APRIL FOOL!


Just kidding, I agree...

Prime
04-04-2005, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
...Except their officers. :) You mean like General Veers? I'm pretty sure they are not stormtroopers. :)

TK-8252
04-04-2005, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Prime
You mean like General Veers? I'm pretty sure they are not stormtroopers. :)

Like the Sandtroopers with colored pauldrons ( http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep4/moseisl4.jpg ) and the black-uniformed officers in ANH ( http://theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/ccg/praji.jpg ).

Edit: On the subject of Sandtroopers, it appears they are all chosen from recruits. Black pauldrons are those of cadets, white pauldrons are those of sergeants, and orange pauldrons are like I said the squad leaders. Sandtrooper units stress independant-thinking, so it's only logical for them to pick certain academy students to make up these units.

Kurgan
04-04-2005, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Like the Sandtroopers with colored pauldrons ( http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep4/moseisl4.jpg ) and the black-uniformed officers in ANH ( http://theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/ccg/praji.jpg ).

One thing though, the "Clonetroopers" in AOTC had "rank colors" too, and yet they were all clones. What evidence do we have that the non-clone "Stormtrooper Officers" wear the armor, other than the EU?

It wouldn't be a big deal, I don't have a problem with the idea, but I'm not sure it's a given. I mean, the EU basically assumed (pre-AOTC) as we all did, that Stormtroopers were not clones.

Now I'm not saying we have to have a scene of an obviously non-clone guy putting on the helmet and gear for it to be "canon" I'm just wondering if there's a G-level source to support this.

One would think that if the clones always wear the armor, so would the officers (ie: either always wear it or never wear it)... or is there some rule that the clones have to wear it all the time, but the officers have the "privelage" of not having to wear it because it's uncomfortable (and not "dress uniform") or something?

TK-8252
04-04-2005, 09:44 PM
That leaked visual dictionary page...

Kurgan
04-04-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
That leaked visual dictionary page...

If that's G-level canon then fine, I'll again take your word for it, and assuming whatever that was carries over into the OT period. ;)

Jan Gaarni
04-05-2005, 04:13 AM
I have that one, I can check it when I get home. :)

Darth Obsidian
04-06-2005, 05:56 PM
Remember that the Kaminoans used metabolic age enhancers to cut the time that it takes to grow a full-fledged army.

If all the Stormtroopers were clones, by the time of RotJ (24 years after AotC), the clones, which age at thrice the rate of normal Mandalorians, will have genetically aged 72 years and possibly undergone clone psychosis.

Therefore, all Stormtroopers are enlisted/drafted/threatened/enslaved into service.

Carrida doesn't turn out 100% Imperial Officers, you know.

El Sitherino
04-06-2005, 05:57 PM
Ever think that they could, oh I don't know, make another batch? And then another? so on and so forth?

Shok_Tinoktin
04-06-2005, 06:04 PM
Not only could we guess that, we know it to be true. In the Kamino scene in AOTC we see clones of different ages. The next batch (or even several more batches) has already begun! Also, are you sure it is 3 times the rate? That would make the clones in AOTC 30, which seems kind of old for an army. Twice the rate seems more likely, and matches Lama Su's comment about raising a clone in 'half the time'. Not that its really important either way, 60 year old clones arent too great either.

TK-8252
04-06-2005, 07:03 PM
It's not three times the rate, only doubled. But it makes little difference since they did start making other batches off of Kamino and not of Jango. This is confirmed in the RotS visual dictionary.

Darth Obsidian
04-06-2005, 07:54 PM
Valid agruments, all, but you still have to work around the Carrida statement (plus all the other Imperial Academies):D

Jan Gaarni
04-07-2005, 02:21 PM
About the Stormtrooper Officers from the Visual Dictionary for the OT:

In non-combat situations, stormtrooper officers wear distinctive black tunics and caps. Their insignia - officers discs, rank plaques, and code cylinders - conform to the standards of the Imperial Navy. Code cylinders allow officers access to secure areas and computer systems. All stormtrooper officers are proven soldiers, and in combat they wear body armor like any other trooper. Officers in field units may wear colored shoulder pauldrons as high-visibility rank indicators.

Kurgan
04-08-2005, 05:00 AM
Thanks guys. Well (that's a spoiler, but a very minor one), if this stuff is confirmed by the RotS official sources, then that's the official retcon.

C-Level canon (new stuff overriding the old, I assume in light of any ROTS revelations). We have a winner!

So multiple clone sources, not just from Kamino. The officers thing might still be retconned though, keep an eye out.

Prime
04-08-2005, 11:47 AM
Canon Nazi!!

TK-8252
04-09-2005, 07:33 PM
Some other interesting stuff from the visual dictionary and the incredible cross-sections...

It says about the Red Guards (become the Imperial Guards after the Empire is created) that...

Palpatine picked its members from non-clone military units.

So certain academy graduates might be given the opportunity to train as an Imperial Guard after proving themselves.

On the page about the new Republic starfighters, it says:

Amongst the most experienced ARC-170 squadrons is Squad Seven, a disciplined team of veteran aviators known for their unwavering courage. Squad Seven are clones of Jango Fett, the bounty hunter who was the genetic model for the first clone troops. However, an increasing number of units are formed from rigorously selected volunteers. Over the coming years, the most accomplished volunteer aces will be honored as stock for new clone lineages, and distinguised with all-black dress uniforms.

So you can also train at the academy to be a pilot. Then proven pilots would be selected to be cloned to produce more pilots. Nice.

Jan Gaarni
04-10-2005, 03:50 AM
Don't worry, Kurgan, my quote has been out on the market for years already, so it's not really a spoiler. :)

Which is why I didn't put it in a spoiler window.

And newer sources shouldn't override older, only higher should be able to do that. Otherwise, the movies, which is the highest source, would be overrided left right and center. :p

Kurgan
04-11-2005, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Jan Gaarni
Don't worry, Kurgan, my quote has been out on the market for years already, so it's not really a spoiler. :)

I'm fairly sure I was replying to TK's post above your's, sorry if that wasn't clear. ;)

Stuff that was written before ROTS was made isn't really a spoiler, it's just been the official explanation up till now. I'm saying just because that's the official explanation doesn't mean it can't change (and be overridden) by a new movie, since movies are the highest source, and George has in the past not held himself to EU sources on certain things, so it's wide open.


And newer sources shouldn't override older, only higher should be able to do that. Otherwise, the movies, which is the highest source, would be overrided left right and center. :p

Well then you get to the problem of what do you do when you have two equal footing sources that contradict each other? (Such as ANH and AOTC on the age of the Republic) The Holocron lays out ways to determine this, if nothing else, than an official committee decision and then pronouncement.

The "newer" thing applies to revisions of existing canon materials, such as the 2004 DVD's of the Classic Trilogy over the 1997 Special Editions or the home video versions from the 80's or the Theatrical versions. This may also apply to new editions of various tech books. Most of the other stuff isn't ever updated or "corrected" no matter what. You don't see them re-writing the Thrawn Trilogy because of stuff in it that's out of date. Instead they just hire somebody to write another book that explains away any problems.

It'll be much easier once ROTS is out on DVD (and Lucas doesn't decide to go changing his movies yet again!) and there won't be any new G-Level canon to screw things up in the EU. Then again, if the TV series is G-Level that could be a big deal.

Jan Gaarni
04-11-2005, 05:12 PM
Well then you get to the problem of what do you do when you have two equal footing sources that contradict each other? (Such as ANH and AOTC on the age of the Republic) The Holocron lays out ways to determine this, if nothing else, than an official committee decision and then pronouncement.
Simple.

You wait on being sure about it till an official answer has been made, preferably a G-level source. :)


When it comes to the canon sources, it's difficult to determine what is the right answer. In the sitution you are thinking of it could very well be no conflict at all. The Republic could very well be around a 1000 years old. Each year, a new generation starts their training. (not my idea by the way, so don't shoot me for it. :D ). Of course, this would throw off everything that has been established in the EU up till the that point of time (1000 years before the movies). :p

Then again, what exactly did he mean by the 1000 years comment?

Even before that comment came out, we knew there was a war going on that left the Republic in quite a mess, but it held together in relative peace for the next 1000 years. Could this be what he (Palpatine) ment?


Until we get an answer on what this all means, then the history of the Republic still fits in at an alright and acceptable level in accordance to the canon.

Kurgan
04-12-2005, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Jan Gaarni
Simple.

You wait on being sure about it till an official answer has been made, preferably a G-level source. :)

Which is what the Holocron is all about. The people who get to decide what the explanation is aren't the fans, in other words. That's all I'm saying. Some things really can't be resolved officially until that source comes out, I agree with you there. Until then it's just speculation.


When it comes to the canon sources, it's difficult to determine what is the right answer. In the sitution you are thinking of it could very well be no conflict at all. The Republic could very well be around a 1000 years old. Each year, a new generation starts their training. (not my idea by the way, so don't shoot me for it. :D ). Of course, this would throw off everything that has been established in the EU up till the that point of time (1000 years before the movies). :p

Right, we have an "Old Republic" 4,000 years before the movies, according to the KOTOR comics (and now KOTOR games too). We could speculate that these are old legends and myths that get the history wrong (like the legends about King Arthur). Perfectly reasonable, but a fan explanation. Another would be to move them forward in time so they didn't take place so long ago (say, only 900 years ago or something). I think the official retcon is that there was a "re-founding" of the Republic or something like that, and somehow different people count it differently. This too might be retconned, I don't know. Some people were saying this was a "slip of the tongue" by Palpatine showing that he was reckonning things in Sith time, rather than Republic time and dropped a big clue that he's an evil plotter. I don't know.

The Holocron would give the definitive answer. If they're waiting for Lucas to finish ROTS I can understand that...


Then again, what exactly did he mean by the 1000 years comment?

This Republic (as opposed to some other Republic), which has stood for 1,000 years (the government has lasted a millennia?), is about to be split in two (by the Sepratists action), and he's not going to allow that (by fighting to keep them from leaving or preventing others from leaving, like the American Civil War... fight to preserve the Union).

The "Generations of Jedi Students" explanation sounded plausible to me, but that's for Obi-Wan's comment ("for over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic").

But then in ANH they also talk about the Clone WarS, plural. Of course there might be another war in addition to the one seen in AOTC ("Begun the Clone War (singular) has")... though ROTS only takes place 2 or 3 years later, there's still time, and these wars might rage on for another decade or so before ANH. See speculation about the Galactic Civil War simply being an extension of the Clone War.



Even before that comment came out, we knew there was a war going on that left the Republic in quite a mess, but it held together in relative peace for the next 1000 years. Could this be what he (Palpatine) ment?

If we take it that way, it sounds like the Republic fell, and then was re-established. But if that happened that would be a new date reckonning.

You wouldn't keep saying that the Old Republic lasted 25,000+ years, if it was demolished and refounded again and then start saying it's only lasted 1,000 years.

They could have easily fixed this by saying "The Second Republic" or something like that. For all we know the Republic has periodically fallen and been refounded after a major conflict hundreds, even thousands of times over the millennia. But it is odd how Obi-Wan would reckon it differently, unless he's some sagely historian who reckons time based on the Jedi Order rather than the Republic (which could be plausible).

But then why call everything "the Old Republic" if there were more than one?

Before AOTC everybody took the quote to mean there was one Republic, that lasted for 1,000+ generations of Jedi Knights. Now suddenly we have a thousand year old Republic.

It's like the Sith. They were around for over 5,000 years according to the KOTOR stories. Then the TPM novel says the Sith were founded only 2,000 years ago, and thought to be anhilated after a thousand year war. Again you could move the KOTOR stories up in time to resolve this, or as someone suggested, that the Sith Order was lost and refounded again by the Dark Jedi mentioned in the TPM novel.

Anyway, we have official retcons and attempts at fan explanations. The official retcons have canon standing going for them though, even if they might stink. ;)


Until we get an answer on what this all means, then the history of the Republic still fits in at an alright and acceptable level in accordance to the canon.

Does this go without saying? We just assume it all fits together somehow until they actually fix it? Sure thing.

Sure, we fans don't get paid to worry about this sort of thing, let those guys at the Holocron do that. But what are we fans supposed to argue about in the meantime?
:)

scout_zero
04-21-2005, 12:50 AM
This is wierd.
The clones sound like Mexicans.
The stormtroopers sound like Americans.
But in Episode III, the clones look like stormtroopers and their assault ships looked like star destroyers.
Wierd.:eek:

Kurgan
04-21-2005, 04:53 AM
It's a conspiracy! Really... ;)

El Sitherino
04-21-2005, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by scout_zero
This is wierd.
The clones sound like Mexicans.
.... That is weird. I never heard a mexican that sounded like a mauri...

Ranre
04-30-2005, 12:49 AM
From what Ive heard (And those people are very reliable sources)
Is that after the Clone Wars, the Empire wanted even more soldier so on top of the clones, they were getting enlisted men. All pilots are recruits, no clones there. Same with mechanics, and other special tasks.

Its also been said that some of the clones took on Special Operation tasks. So you would have the enlisted as the foot soldiers mixed with the clones, and some clones that werem Spec Ops.

TK-8252
04-30-2005, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Ranre
From what Ive heard (And those people are very reliable sources)
Is that after the Clone Wars, the Empire wanted even more soldier so on top of the clones, they were getting enlisted men. All pilots are recruits, no clones there. Same with mechanics, and other special tasks.

Its also been said that some of the clones took on Special Operation tasks. So you would have the enlisted as the foot soldiers mixed with the clones, and some clones that werem Spec Ops.

Eh... where ever you got your information is a tad off. I've explained everything in my post. :)

Ranre
04-30-2005, 01:01 AM
Ah I see now. Oh well it looks like I was just enforcing the truth in your post then..

OmegaNothing
05-02-2005, 11:30 AM
Stormtroopers are a mixture of clones and recruits, thats what I heard anyway. The clones were those that were left after the clone war.

TK-8252
05-02-2005, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by OmegaNothing
Stormtroopers are a mixture of clones and recruits, thats what I heard anyway. The clones were those that were left after the clone war.

Man, why is it that no one reads threads anymore? I've already posted the real explanation, yet people are still coming in posting what they have heard.

OmegaNothing
05-02-2005, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
Man, why is it that no one reads threads anymore? I've already posted the real explanation, yet people are still coming in posting what they have heard.

I was simply posting what I always thought, jeez man chill. Nowhere in my post did I claim mine to be the official explanation, I was just posting what I always thought.

TK-8252
05-02-2005, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by OmegaNothing
I was simply posting what I always thought, jeez man chill. Nowhere in my post did I claim mine to be the official explanation, I was just posting what I always thought.

But what you heard has already been proven wrong, so really, there's no point in posting it.

OmegaNothing
05-02-2005, 07:01 PM
I posted my opinion, which is what we tend to do..

El Sitherino
05-02-2005, 07:14 PM
But the question has been answered correctly. No more need for opinions.

OmegaNothing
05-02-2005, 07:33 PM
That is ridiculous fair play, I simply posted my opinion on what I used to think the stormtroopers were and now there's bitching how I should never have posted.... Quit the hate people and relax. This is a message board, I didn't post a message offending anyone or a message worthy of all this hassle.

Ranre
05-02-2005, 08:23 PM
Theres really no point to this thread any more then because the truth has been spoken and now its just an agurment. This is considered flamming. But correct me if im wrong because im sure someone will lol. :D

OmegaNothing
05-02-2005, 10:23 PM
Well I haven't been here for a while, so all I did was read this thread then add what I thought, thats all.

Ranre
05-02-2005, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by OmegaNothing
Well I haven't been here for a while, so all I did was read this thread then add what I thought, thats all.

We all relize that very well. But what im saying is that you shouldnt be aguring. Because your fighting a losing battle. They already told us what is what so this thread is just for people that want to find out.

OmegaNothing
05-02-2005, 10:49 PM
I wasn't trying to argue, I just added my opinion only to get abuse.... Never mind, lets just let it die now.

Ranre
05-02-2005, 11:05 PM
Right...

El Sitherino
05-10-2005, 09:47 PM
the idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it's not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones.

- George Lucas.


Click (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1501522/story.jhtml)

Darth Andrew
05-10-2005, 10:34 PM
THANK YOU! I couldn't imagine the Empire cloning MORE soldiers who couldn't shoot the inside of a barn (noticeable in Ep. IV-VI;)).

TK-8252
05-10-2005, 10:45 PM
MF whore. :p

What George said could be interpreted differently, and I'd say the "grunts are clones, officers are regulars" theory would still make sense. Stormtroopers are supposedly 100% loyal and cannot be bribed or blackmailed, so there has to be some reason why the conscripted guys are all so dedicated.

Maybe because all enlistees are granted an officer's rank upon graduation from their academy. Some lowly cannon-fodder grunt who got shanghaied really isn't going to be all that loyal, and most would probably go AWOL. But if the way the Empire "shanghaies" people into service is by temping them with instant officer status upon graduation, they'd have a reason to serve well, and not just so they don't get a firing squad.

El Sitherino
05-10-2005, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by TK-8252
so there has to be some reason why the conscripted guys are all so dedicated.
Twi'lek booty. They probably have a deal with Jabba to get some of his dancing girls to show their men a good time during leave. :p

Ranre
05-11-2005, 05:14 AM
In Rogue Squadran 3, you go to the imp academy. So I guess all guys who go in AT-ST's would also quilifiy as academy students. Plus, I bet someone spiked the cloning vat so they cant shoot for beans :p

But Lucas is trying to make it seem that he had planned this from the start saying, all the Stormies were clones. But comics have messed up the image even more. I saw a Imp scout in a comic take off his helmet and he wansnt even looking the same as to a regualr clone, very confusing....

Ranre
05-11-2005, 10:00 PM
Lucas has made it very, Very confusing. And yeah I think if you go to the Navy that you will be a pilot (If you pass the courses) Go to the Army, you could enlist or become an Officer in the AT-ST.

Konar
05-13-2005, 04:14 AM
Enlisted or clones?

- They're a mix of both.

TK-8252
05-13-2005, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Konar
Enlisted or clones?

- They're a mix of both.

If you had bothered to actually read the thread (WOW! What a concept!) you'd find out that we've already established this.

Konar
05-19-2005, 10:14 AM
I never believe anything I hear unless it is reenforced by someone/something else. I'm merely reenforcing the facts.

TK-8252
05-22-2005, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by Konar
I never believe anything I hear unless it is reenforced by someone/something else. I'm merely reenforcing the facts.

...You just made absolutely no sense.

Kurgan
05-22-2005, 11:46 AM
Well, this has finally been cleared up (unless he changes his mind yet again).

Thanks for the quote InsaneSith for the original source (I missed that post before I pasted this in). ;)

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(reposted from another forum by me):

Sorry if this has already been posted, but there were some interesting quotes in there:

IGN Film Force Interview with George Lucas (http://filmforce.ign.com/starwars/articles/613/613366p1.html)

On the nature of Stormtroopers:

"The idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it's not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones."

About Han & Leia:

"Han and Leia probably did get married. They settled down. She became a senator, and they got a nice little house with a white picket fence. Han Solo is out there cooking burgers on the grill."

On the Honorable Representative Binks:

"He goes back to Naboo and he's a representative. He probably stays on the council, he's probably in the senate, because it becomes completely worthless. Senators are just for show, which they talk about in Episode IV. Actually, in Episode IV they get disbanded, so Jar Jar probably goes home to his wife and kids."

On the TV series and the future of Star Wars:

"I love doing it, but it is 20 years of my life," he told Static Multimedia. "I am anxious to get on and do other things. We are still doing a TV series, two TV series, one animated and one live action, so I am not going to do it myself, but I'll peek in from time-to-time. So I won't completely have lost the Star Wars experience."

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So there you have it. I interpret this as entirely Clones until sometime in the OT period, when they start putting conscripts in there too.

Prime
05-22-2005, 02:33 PM
As for the TV series, it is nice that the movies are now their own entity and a complete story, and now Lucas will let others play in the sandbox. :)

Konar
05-24-2005, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by TK-8252
...You just made absolutely no sense.

- yeah. And the fact that you've been on the forums for over 2 years does NOT make you cool.

- Sorry to break it to you.

Anyway, getting back on topic...

LOL @ George Lucas's quote on the nature of stormtroopers.

El Sitherino
05-24-2005, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Konar
- yeah. And the fact that you've been on the forums for over 2 years does NOT make you cool. No, but he has trooper armor, therefore he > you.

TK-8252
05-25-2005, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Konar
- yeah. And the fact that you've been on the forums for over 2 years does NOT make you cool.

- Sorry to break it to you.

When did I say it does? The fact that I'm cool makes me cool, not how long I've been around. :cool:

carvin77
04-02-2006, 11:51 AM
:twogun: ...no coment!

MachineCult
04-02-2006, 12:43 PM
- yeah. And the fact that you've been on the forums for over 2 years does NOT make you cool.

Well TK was right, what you said didn't make much sense. At least he's coherent, that puts him higher up than you.

TK-8252
04-02-2006, 12:47 PM
:twogun: ...no coment!

You resurrected a thread from like, a year ago, just to post garbage.

Good. Job.

Kurgan
04-02-2006, 01:40 PM
Yep. Time to retire this one... (take note of that Lucas quote!)