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Andy867
04-01-2005, 01:49 PM
According to various news outlets, Pope John Paul II, 84, has died. Although the Vatican has offered no confirmation, there has been no such denial as well. The Pope had taken ill after first suffering from phenomenia earlier in February, and then was hospitalized.

He was later put on a nasal feeding tube, and slowly his health condition worsened. Reportedly, he had been suffering from a very high fever and had a urinay tract infection. Pope John Paul was also suffering from Parkinson's disease, which is a progressive nervous disease occuring most often after the age of 50, associated with the destruction of brain cells that produce dopamine and characterized by muscular tremor, slowing of movement, partial facial paralysis, peculiarity of gait and posture, and weakness.



IMO, I feel that the Pope was being selfish in that his time as pope was long overdue, 20+ years overdue. He should have retired/resigned/passed on the blessing of Pope to someone else and retired, but his selfish nature of trying to do everything and accomplish nothing lately has proved that he is long overdue for retirement, and so with his reported passing, there will come an age of a new pope, while John Paul II can rest.

Darth Groovy
04-01-2005, 01:55 PM
As of this time CNN has not confirmed the Pope's death. Nor has any official statement been made yet.

IG-64
04-01-2005, 02:08 PM
The vatican has denied the report.


"The pope died"

"Oh no!"

"Haha, April Fools!"

LukeKatarn
04-01-2005, 02:14 PM
My fools senses are tingeling. I knew it's april fools before I came here. My LNN is saying that he is better and all. They said taht yesterday, and you are saying he got even more ill before he died, he was better yesterday, there for this is obviousley an AF joke. And not funny either.

ET Warrior
04-01-2005, 02:23 PM
Just because he was getting "better" yesterday does not meen he couldnt' take a sudden swing for the worse and die. It happens very often, especially among the elderly.

IG-64
04-01-2005, 02:28 PM
I've heard reports that there is no hope for him now (outside of a miracle), but he is not dead yet.

•-BLaCKouT-•
04-01-2005, 02:30 PM
It's been on the news all day today, the guy is seriously ill.

I've got more to say but it's not appropriate in this thread. The senate maybe...

B.

Andy867
04-01-2005, 03:14 PM
They say the reason why he had reportedly died was that there was conflicting reports that his electrocardiogram had flat-lined, and that the machine that was monitoring his brain activity had shown that there was no brain activity immediately following the flatline, which led to the reports that the pope had died, though its been later conflicted and rumored that he is still alive. But my guess is that he could die right now (2:13PM CST 1 Apr 2005) and the vatican wouldnt confirm it for at least 24-48 hours.

(Like they really want to admit that their spiritual leader had passed. They wont even admit that there is a problem with their own priests. )

Pie™
04-01-2005, 03:22 PM
The news here had catholic priests praying for him to pass, so he would be rid of the pain. And they've "foreseen" that he'll be "let in by Jesus" during the night or tomorrow...

•-BLaCKouT-•
04-01-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Andy867
They say the reason why he had reportedly died was that there was conflicting reports that his electrocardiogram had flat-lined
Meh :indif: that's just an excuse for why his spirit will look like a 20yr old Pope in the DVD...

...sorry, wrong thread... :xp:

B.

Tyrion
04-01-2005, 03:59 PM
Personally, I find it a bit amusing that millions of people across the world are saddended by the passing of the Pope into thier Heaven.

shukrallah
04-01-2005, 04:24 PM
Personally, I find it a bit amusing that millions of people across the world are saddended by the passing of the Pope into thier Heaven.

If you understood the religion, you would rethink your statement.

People die, and people are sad. It happens, despite the existence of Heaven and Hell. It is easier said than done to put on a happy face when someone you love has passed away.

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Besides, I agree, when he developed parkinsons (spelling?)disease he should have retired. The added stress of being the pope probably speeded up his soon to be death. The guy was just too old.

I don't think anyone would joke about the pope's life.. even on April fools day.

Dagobahn Eagle
04-01-2005, 04:50 PM
This should've been in the Senate, really. But oh meh.

I'm glad his sufferings are over, though. Now to lock all those Vatican higher-ups (it's the cardinals that do the voting, right, Luke1?) in 'til they can elect a new Pope.

Hermie
04-01-2005, 05:58 PM
Did Anyone else snicker at the thought of the pope actually dying on 1. April? :D

Pie™
04-01-2005, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Herminator
Did Anyone else snicker at the thought of the pope actually dying on 1. April? :D I kinda smiled at the fact on him dying the same date that Rozz Williams hanged himself. He was a deathrocker (not metaller) who amongst other things recorded the Lord's Prayer backwards. >_>

Tyrion
04-01-2005, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Herminator
Did Anyone else snicker at the thought of the pope actually dying on 1. April? :D

Yeah. Does that mean I'm going to Hell?

:(

IG-64
04-01-2005, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
I don't think anyone would joke about the pope's life.. even on April fools day.

Yeah, any jokes or puns would be very innapoperiate.


*cringes*

Kurgan
04-01-2005, 06:39 PM
While it would have been the perfect opportunity for JP2 to fake his own death, even Andy Kaufman left 'em guessing, after all...

He's been ill for awhile, anyone could have seen this coming, tough call (watch the news stations dust off their "John Paul II tributes" they've been recycling for the past four years or so everytime he's sneezed or fainted). He has my best wishes in any case!

Go out with a wink and a smile, I say.

RoxStar
04-01-2005, 07:45 PM
I thought that the Vatican dismissed the rumors of John Paul II's death?

shukrallah
04-01-2005, 09:24 PM
I'm glad his sufferings are over, though. Now to lock all those Vatican higher-ups (it's the cardinals that do the voting, right, Luke1?) in 'til they can elect a new Pope.

I guess so.. Im not catholic ;)

So, is he really dead?

Captain Wilson
04-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Part of the popes job statment is that its a life job. Say what you will hes got balls if he can try agian and again to get up to give a blessing. Like to see you try that. I know i sure as hell couldnt

Sabretooth
04-02-2005, 01:28 AM
That guy is dangerously ill and can flip the boat anytime now. He was a good guy, tho.

CapNColostomy
04-02-2005, 02:00 AM
Ummm...this might be a bad time to ask, but can I be pope now? I've waited patiently, and I'm a pretty nice guy. Gimme a shot. If it turns out I suck at being pope, you can always get somebody else. Vote Cap for pope in 05!

Tyrion
04-02-2005, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
Ummm...this might be a bad time to ask, but can I be pope now? I've waited patiently, and I'm a pretty nice guy. Gimme a shot. If it turns out I suck at being pope, you can always get somebody else. Vote Cap for pope in 05!

Except you know, it is a life job; kinda like marriage except you can't file for divorce. So, y'know, if you wanted to quit you'd have to become a martyr.

CapNColostomy
04-02-2005, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by Tyrion
Except you know, it is a life job; kinda like marriage except you can't file for divorce. So, y'know, if we wanted to quit you'd have to become a martyr.

Fair enough. As your new pope, that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

BongoBob
04-02-2005, 02:18 AM
You do know Capn, that as pope, you can't get any?

;)

BTW, according to what I heard he hasn't croaked yet.

Vikinor
04-02-2005, 02:40 AM
CapN you also have to be Catholic. I would NOT want to be pope. Any guesses on exactly how long he has left?

CapNColostomy
04-02-2005, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by VikingLarz
CapN you also have to be Catholic. I would NOT want to be pope. Any guesses on exactly how long he has left?

I am the pope, dammit. And I don't "have" to do anything. You're not going to boss the pope around, are you? No. And yes, I have several guesses as to how long he has left.

Tyrion
04-02-2005, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
I am the pope, dammit. And I don't "have" to do anything. You're not going to boss the pope around, are you? No. And yes, I have several guesses as to how long he has left.

According to prophecy, after John Paul II dies there will be one more pope, you, who dies shortly after elected. After that, the Anti Christ is elected as the final Pope.

Therefore, I elect myself as a canidate to role of Evil Incarnate. I assume no one will be contrary, right?

El Sitherino
04-02-2005, 02:55 AM
I predict he'll be dead by the end of today. <_<

CapNColostomy
04-02-2005, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Tyrion
After that, the Anti Christ is elected as the final Pope.

Therefore, I elect myself as a canidate to role of Evil Incarnate. I assume no one will be contrary, right?

But I thought Howard Stern and Marilyn Manson were already the anti Christ? :eek:

El Sitherino
04-02-2005, 03:30 AM
I'm the anti-christ, I can turn wine back into water, and unfeed you for 40 days, and reverse all the other things Jesus did. Infact you all have leprosy now.

CapNColostomy
04-02-2005, 03:32 AM
Pfft, nice going. I already HAD leprosy. What else you got?

Tyrion
04-02-2005, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
Pfft, nice going. I already HAD leprosy. What else you got?

No, his leprosy powers seem to have worked on me...

going to pee in the morning will hurt like Hell...

Besides, I'm the true anti-christ. You know why? It's because I'm crafty enough to not let the entire world know of my powers, unlike another imposter I know...

Nalukai
04-02-2005, 03:35 AM
as of 2:30 am the pope is on the evrge of deatrh but still hanging in there. His breathing has shallowed to a bare minimum and his kidneys and heart are failing.

El Sitherino
04-02-2005, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
Pfft, nice going. I already HAD leprosy. What else you got? I can make you blind, rebreak your legs, shift your spinal colum back into a distorted place where after standing up for more than 5 minutes you'll collapse on yourself and die looking like meat jell-o.

CapNColostomy
04-02-2005, 03:41 AM
Some anti Christ you'd make. I can do all that **** with a 30 pack of beer.

El Sitherino
04-02-2005, 04:28 AM
Cardinal Ignatius Glick.

Tyrion
04-02-2005, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Cardinal Ignatius Glick.

Why do I get the feeling that the Anti Christ is going to be Buddy Christ? :xp:

El Sitherino
04-02-2005, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Tyrion
Why do I get the feeling that the Anti Christ is going to be Buddy Christ? :xp: Because Azrael has it all planned?

Nalukai
04-02-2005, 05:02 AM
CATHOLICISM.... WOW!!!!!!!1

Dont forget to bless ur golf clubs.

Pie™
04-02-2005, 07:44 AM
If you vote for me as your new Pope, I promise I'll be a perfect holy gentleman by day, but by night I'll be cruising around in my Popemobile, catching villains with my Popearang and my trusty sidekick Cardinal-Boy!

Vote Pie for Pope in 05!

•-BLaCKouT-•
04-02-2005, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Pie™
I'll be a perfect holy gentleman by day, but by night I'll be cruising around in my Popemobile, catching villains with my Popearang and my trusty sidekick Cardinal-Boy!
But that's exactly what JPII did. :confused:
I was under the impression they were after someone with different super-powers this time?

:) B.

Darth Groovy
04-02-2005, 08:18 AM
I am not sure I like the direction this thread is going.

Mind you, I am not Catholic, but Pope John Paul HAS done quite a few impressive things in his life, and definitely made a difference. I will elaborate on that later.

Let's show the guy some respect ok?

ZBomber
04-02-2005, 10:55 AM
Nice Catholic bashing thread. :rolleyes:

However, I also heard that "one more pope" thing. Anyone know how this got around in the first place? :confused:

shukrallah
04-02-2005, 11:37 AM
Yesterday I read that the pope had 24-48 hours to live. Like Sith, I doubt he has the rest of the day.

LukeKatarn
04-02-2005, 11:56 AM
I'm not voteing for any of you to be pope. Wanna know why? Because I'm a Morman. :p

Vikinor
04-02-2005, 01:31 PM
So that Cardinal dude is gonna be the new Pope?


I had already decided to myself LONG before this thread that I was going to be the Pope.......someday.

Andy867
04-02-2005, 02:02 PM
From what I've been hearing, during the Conclave, there is a very good chance that a cardinal from Africa is going to be the next Pope. (The Church would take anyone over an American Cardinal, despite one Cardinal who has proven himself)

Black Knight of Keno
04-02-2005, 02:35 PM
NO.


You give atheists a bad name, show some compassion for your fellow man ~ET

Derc
04-02-2005, 03:04 PM
The Pope has passed away, as reported by the AP.

May he rest now.

TheOutrider
04-02-2005, 03:21 PM
Poor guy, he has done some good things in his life and I for one prayed for him but death is a very sad part of life. May you rest in peace.

R.I.P. Pope

:(

Pie™
04-02-2005, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Derc
The Pope has passed away, as reported by the AP.

May he rest now. Just heard.

Well since he's actually gone now, I'll just say rest in peace, even dead popes deserve respect...

Spider AL
04-02-2005, 03:31 PM
Despite being the morally questionable head of a shambolic church that perpetrates much evil worldwide, he wasn't all bad. Cheers Popey, good luck wherever you ended up. :D

And now on to the succession:

Robbie Coltrane for Pope! Tell me this isn't preordained:

http://www.unzeit.de/poster/Papst_zum_kuessen_Ein/Papst_zum_kuessen_Ein_150.jpg

LukeKatarn
04-02-2005, 04:06 PM
God bless us everyone. Amen. RIP Pope JPII.

IG-64
04-02-2005, 05:04 PM
He was one of the best popes, if not the best.

R.I.P. Pope John Paul II.

Jed
04-02-2005, 05:11 PM
The guy was tough as nails, you've gotta admit that.

RIP.

Tyrion
04-02-2005, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Jed
The guy was tough as nails, you've gotta admit that.

RIP.

He lived to be 84 years as the Pope. I mean, if the thought of guiding 8 billion people to thier salvation isn't enough pressure to send him to his maker early, then surely the threat of being shot/stabbed/poisoned/smoted would've. But no, he lived longer than most regular people do.

IG-64
04-02-2005, 06:27 PM
You know the first design of the popemobile had a machine gun in in so the pope could mow down ambushers from inside.

Spider AL
04-02-2005, 07:01 PM
You know the first design of the popemobile had a machine gun in in so the pope could mow down ambushers from inside.I guess they switched to the flamethrower to save on the cost of bullets eh...

He was one of the best popes, if not the best.Meh, dunno about that. Still, it's not as if he had much competition. I mean, early popes were simply murderous, corrupt and inbred Italian nobility... And later popes include such dubious figures as nazi sympathisers.

Being pope != being holy in any way, shape or form.

IG-64
04-02-2005, 07:06 PM
Yeah, all the old popes sucked. :/


in it*

Samuel Dravis
04-03-2005, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by Spider AL
I guess they switched to the flamethrower to save on the cost of bullets eh...

Meh, dunno about that. Still, it's not as if he had much competition. I mean, early popes were simply murderous, corrupt and inbred Italian nobility... And later popes include such dubious figures as nazi sympathisers.

Being pope != being holy in any way, shape or form. What exactly are you trying to prove? AFAIK, this thread was about the pope's condition, not his or his predecessor's morality or the validity of their faith. We know you dislike religion - you've made yourself quite clear in the past on that topic. It's unnecessary for you to make callous or simply inflammatory remarks here about it.

On topic, this is quite unfortunate. :(

CapNColostomy
04-03-2005, 12:36 AM
Yes, and PLEASE stop using pompous, pretentious words like "shambolic". We get that you're British. And most of us try not to hold that against you.

Astrotoy7
04-03-2005, 01:27 AM
RIP JPII, lets hope the new Pope cuts the mustard...

mtfbwya

Kurgan
04-03-2005, 03:10 AM
The world mourns his passing today, after all.

Watching some documentaries about his life I didn't realize just how hard his early life really was. I knew he was an underground actor during the war, but I didn't realize he lost his family so young, and even his childhood playmates (Jewish boys) were sent off to concentration camps. It seems he became a priest because he felt he had to do something about all the evil in the world that was around him and he felt powerless to stop. Even his training as a priest had to be done in secret because of the occupation in Poland.

I always thought that whole "he helped bring about the downfall of communism in Europe" sounded like empty political rhetoric. However, seeing as how charismatic was his personality (not in small part due to his gifts that made him an actor as a young man) it's not hard to imagine how he inspired people like Lech Walesha and others in the Solidarity Movement, etc. He gave people hope, and that's a powerful thing.

Even in America where every poll says how many Catholics disagree with this or that teaching of his, they still respect the man for what he's trying to do and holding fast to what he feels is right.

And to see him struggling to guide the Church with his last ounce of strength and his last breath, even as disease and age take it away from him, really touched a lot of people. He was elected just a month before I was born, and I often thought he even bore a resemblance to my late grandfather (who passed away a few years ago after a long illness), so I guess he's sort of been a modern symbol of the Church for me.

Anyway, here's to you John Paul II, hope you found peace at last...

El Sitherino
04-03-2005, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
I predict he'll be dead by the end of today. <_< I called it.

Anyway, RIP.

Spider AL
04-03-2005, 07:16 PM
Samuel Dravis:
What exactly are you trying to prove?"Prove"? I was responding to a previous comment. That's what we call "discussion". Just as you chose to respond to my comment. ;)

AFAIK, this thread was about the pope's condition, not his or his predecessor's morality or the validity of their faith.It's a thread about the pope, isn't it? This IS the place to discuss the pope, isn't it?

We know you dislike religion - you've made yourself quite clear in the past on that topic.Wrong again. I've extolled the virtues of several aspects of the Christian faith on these very forums in the past. Your conclusion that I "dislike religion" is overgeneralised, oversimplified and overall, nonsensical.

Cap'n:
Yes, and PLEASE stop using pompous, pretentious words like "shambolic".I'll use what words I like, and I'll use what words I feel I need to... to get my ideas across. Don't flame, Cap'n. It's very immature.

We get that you're British. And most of us try not to hold that against you.Are you anglophobic too? Tsk tsk. Xenophobia is bigotry, you know.

Any Moderator watching... please keep an eye on the flamers among us.

CapNColostomy
04-03-2005, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Spider AL
Cap'n:
I'll use what words I like, and I'll use what words I feel I need to... to get my ideas across. Don't flame, Cap'n. It's very immature.

I didn't flame. I asked you very politely (note the use of the word PLEASE in all caps) to not use pompous and pretentious words like "shambolic". I could go on to say that you've used it out of context, but that's neither here nor there. If you feel the need to use that word to convey your ideas, there's not much I can do beyond my request.

Originally posted by Spider AL
Are you anglophobic too? Tsk tsk. Xenophobia is bigotry, you know.

You mean do I dislike or fear English people or their culture? Well sure! Who doesn't? For all the evils you've branded the various popes with doing, all the popes combined don't hold a candle to all of the "shambolic" deeds perpetrated by the English. That and the fact that your accents are goofy, and you all seem to have a snooty, better-than-anyone-else sort of air about you. I guess I should've know you had a keen eye for bigotry and xenophobia though, considering some of the comments you've made about Americans.



Originally posted by Spider AL
Any Moderator watching... please keep an eye on the flamers among us.

Yes. Please do just that.

ET Warrior
04-03-2005, 09:44 PM
I recommend everyone step back and cool off afore anything gets worse.

No more debate please, just honor the mans life, or ignore this thread, and everyone can be happy.

Leper Messiah
04-03-2005, 09:45 PM
a terrible shame the pope is dead, he was a great man who could reach across just about every social barrier there is to reach people and give them hope. As the leader of the catholic church and the most influential christian in the world, he should have been the epitome of everything that i'm against, and indeed some of the views he put forward were consitant with that, but you cant ignore the good work that he did in his life. A shame Christianity as a whole cant be like that.

wassup
04-03-2005, 11:20 PM
Despite his personal views and actions, and the controversial things done in his name, Pope John Paul II was an amazing man and important figure in our history who used his influence to accomplish much good throughout the world. The world has lost a truly remarkable leader of men, and may he now be at peace in a better place.

toms
04-04-2005, 10:49 AM
He lead an interesting life, that is for sure.
I have a lot of respect for his early life and what he tried to do when he was young, but it was a shame he seemed to forget his fights for freedom and democracy once he became pope and didn't take advantage of the chance to at least slightly open up and democratise the whole setup.

In many ways he was the first modern pope, the first to use jet travel and the media (and his acting skills) to spread his image and message. Its just a shame that he didn't carry through this "modern pope" thing to the extent that a lot of people hoped he would when he was selected.

I've never really go the whole "fight against communism thing", which if anything was more of a personal hangover from his early years than a christian thing.

I'm still of the opinion that he did more evil than good in his time, but that doesn't mean i wanted him to suffer so I'm glad he finally got some peace.

They really should bring in some form of semi-retirement for old popes, otherwise with modern medicine they can hang around indefinately while suffering. Surely it would be better for him, if no-one else, if he had been able to spend his last few years in some quiet monastry somewhere?

RIP POPE

shukrallah
04-04-2005, 08:19 PM
It angers me that two days after the guy has died people already want to change what he has set up. The majority of Catholics want a pope that will change things, such as abortion, and to blend in more with the times.

Im not Catholic, and I don't agree with a lot of their "traditions(?)", but I do agree with a lot of what has been said recently.

Samuel Dravis
04-04-2005, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
It angers me that two days after the guy has died people already want to change what he has set up. The majority of Catholics want a pope that will change things, such as abortion, and to blend in more with the times.It would be very difficult for any change to come about on many such issues, seeing as how their official doctrine is held to be infallible (http://www.catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp).

toms
04-05-2005, 08:08 AM
also, he appointed 99% of the people who will choose his successor... so the odds of the new pope being radically different from the old one are slim.

And though europe has about 80% of the votes, brazil has the largest catholic population and africa has by far the fastest growing catholic population. And african catholics aren't exactly known for being moderate.... :D

Captain Wilson
04-05-2005, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
Yes, and PLEASE stop using pompous, pretentious words like "shambolic". We get that you're British. And most of us try not to hold that against you.

Even being british that made me giggle.

It is a huge shame we have lost such a great man who worked for peace on so many levels, and who wasnt afrid to say what he wanted to say what he felt needed saying.

You may not like the cathoic faith or you may not have like the pope, but you sure as hell gotta respect him.

RIP

El Sitherino
04-05-2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Captain Wilson
you may not have like the pope, but you sure as hell gotta respect him.

RIP Yeah, I do.
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