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IG-64
04-03-2005, 12:08 PM
The nudity and cursing would probably spoil it for me.

LukeKatarn
04-03-2005, 12:21 PM
I have no interst in seeing it, the nudity is what gives it away for me. I've never seen a movie with nude, and never will until I'm like 20. :D EVen then, I wouldn't want to.

GothiX
04-03-2005, 01:32 PM
To the people whining about nudity in movies: Get a grip. It's called "cinematography", adding some form of realism to movies. It's not like they're having sex with horses or anything. If nudity bothers you that much, I feel sorry for any girlfriend you might get.

Emphasis on "might".

LukeKatarn
04-03-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Well, some people will die childless...


I was joking about Jessica Alba not being nude. That's what smilies are for >_> I mean I am not gonna watch nude movies, once I'm married, yes I'll se my wife nude. I'm gonne hopefully have a child. ;) And to GothiX, nudity is wrong. Although I wouldn't expect a person with "Goth" in their name ot understand that. ;) ((Just kiddin. :)))

Pie™
04-03-2005, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
I mean I am not gonna watch nude movies, once I'm married, yes I'll se my wife nude. I'm gonne hopefully have a child. ;) And to GothiX, nudity is wrong. Although I wouldn't expect a person with "Goth" in their name ot understand that. ;) ((Just kiddin. :))) I wonder then, why aren't we born with clothes on...? :o

Anyways, back on topic... :rolleyes:

I'm gonna try to catch this movie while it's running :)

Mandalorian54
04-03-2005, 02:11 PM
lukeiamyourdad, I knew you were joking, the smiley kind of gave that away.

LukeKatarn,

I have no interst in seeing it, the nudity is what gives it away for me. I've never seen a movie with nude, and never will until I'm like 20. EVen then, I wouldn't want to.
I'm not really sure I get that attitude...I know plenty of people who have it but it doesn't make sense to me. It's a part of life, and not a bad part. It's not like your watching porn, you can always cover your eyes anyway. Seeing breasts for as long as it takes you to shut your eyes or turn away isn't going to tramatize you. I think you've just been made to feel guilty by parents or other people, but it's not a bad thing. Anyway, worst case senario, cover your eyes. Personally, I usually divert my eyes...usually.


IG-64,

The nudity and cursing would probably spoil it for me.

If you go to a public school you've heard more swearing that you ever will in any movie.

As for the nudity, I don't need to repeat myself do I? Just divert your eyes.

LukeKatarn
04-03-2005, 02:16 PM
It's wrong. I'm religous, that's why I think that. Those parts were meant to be covered, I mean why do you thnik people even wear clothes if it isn't bad to be nude?

Pie™
04-03-2005, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
It's wrong. I'm religous, that's why I think that. Those parts were meant to be covered, I mean why do you thnik people even wear clothes if it isn't bad to be nude? Because of the forced-upon so called "moral code" of religions?

KBell
04-03-2005, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Pie™
Because of the forced-upon so called "moral code" of religions?

Not to mention that it can get mighty cold outside <_<

Redwing
04-03-2005, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
It's wrong. I'm religous, that's why I think that. Those parts were meant to be covered, I mean why do you thnik people even wear clothes if it isn't bad to be nude?

Because we humans don't like being cold? :xp:

Or maybe babies are just EVIL :O

I REALLY want to see this movie. But I'm waiting for people to be free to go with me XD hehe (*highly dislikes going to the movies alone*)

GothiX
04-03-2005, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
And to GothiX, nudity is wrong.
Eh, how? We were born naked. You think it's wrong to be born too, then? Or should we implant a dressing room in people's womb? "Nudity is wrong" is pretty pointless an opinion without arguments.
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Although I wouldn't expect a person with "Goth" in their name ot understand that. ;)
I.. fail to see any kind of connection?

KBell
04-03-2005, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by GothiX


I.. fail to see any kind of connection?

Cause we all know Goth people walk around naked all the time ;)

lukeiamyourdad
04-03-2005, 05:35 PM
Goth people are the root of all evil. They worship Satan and spit in Bibles.

Didn't you know that?

just kidding.

:D

Lightsaberboy
04-03-2005, 06:26 PM
I have no interst in seeing it, the nudity is what gives it away for me. I've never seen a movie with nude, and never will until I'm like 20. EVen then, I wouldn't want to.

so all that gore and violence, ball-ripping and head shooting and all the other gorey stuff they do in the movie would be okay for you? but brief seconds of the femal breast and it's "no no, no thanks for me?

i see....

ZBomber
04-03-2005, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
I'm gonne hopefully have a child. ;)

For the sake of all things good, I sure hope not.

Nalukai
04-03-2005, 07:01 PM
sigh....even clothes had to be invented.... take the body for what it is.

Mandalorian54
04-03-2005, 07:12 PM
This is an interesting discussion, I'm finding it quite enjoyable. Don't tell us to take it elsewhere, it's not a physical place, and we're not disturbing anyone. It's writing on a screen that you choose to read or not. If you don't like the nudity discussion but still want to talk about sin city, start your own sin city thread, this is mine.


orrigionally posted by LukeKatarn:
It's wrong. I'm religous, that's why I think that. Those parts were meant to be covered, I mean why do you thnik people even wear clothes if it isn't bad to be nude?

People are responding to this and saying things like, because it's cold, but we all know that's not the reason. We are hiding our nudity. But not because it's wrong to be nude, I don't think that's why. It's because of were society is at. Our society deems nudity to be wrong. If you're walking on the street nude you'll get arrested. It's also because there are perverts out there who we don't want to see us nude.

If you're religious then you may know that Adam and Eve did not wear clothes until they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and realised they were naked. We were not designed orrigionally to wear clothes. Clothe's are a man made invention, and ultimately a result of sin.

Our bodies are beautiful and it is possible to look on a naked woman with pure intention and without lustful desire. The sin is not the act of being or seeing nudity, the sin is lusting. Lust is one of the seven deadly sins, seeing impure things is not.

Vikinor
04-03-2005, 07:20 PM
I have NO problem with nudity and I AM religious, but if you are going to abuse your nudity in certain ways then it is wrong.


I have ONE question about Sin City. Is the entire movie in black and white?

El Sitherino
04-03-2005, 07:36 PM
I have to ask, are you one of those people that fully dresses their dog because they think their dog is sinning by being naked?

It bothers me that people have these incredibly mixed up priorities. It's okay for a movie to have people being blown up, maimed, shot, stabbed, and basically mutilated, but suddenly a tit gets flashed and we're all watching something incredibly disgusting/disturbing/evil/wrong/sinful.

And yet, I'm the one being called crazy. This is why society is in the ****ter.

Darth Groovy
04-03-2005, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
I have to ask, are you one of those people that fully dresses their dog because they think their dog is sinning by being naked?

It bothers me that people have these incredibly mixed up priorities. It's okay for a movie to have people being blown up, maimed, shot, stabbed, and basically mutilated, but suddenly a tit gets flashed and we're all watching something incredibly disgusting/disturbing/evil/wrong/sinful.

And yet, I'm the one being called crazy. This is why society is in the ****ter.

Sithy not everyone is a closet nudist like you! :p

El Sitherino
04-03-2005, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Sithy not everyone is a closet nudist like you! :p Doesn't matter. Rational thought should atleast tell them they might be going a bit overboard. :p

IG-64
04-03-2005, 08:16 PM
Ohhh, ok. This was chopped from the other thread. Was gonna say, I woke up and was like "WTF, I didn't make this thread"

Anyways, to me, nudity is simply an immorality. I'm Christian, and I believe this, end of story. Adam and Eve covered themselves in the garden after damning themselves to sin by disobeying the Lord and falling to the word of Satan. It's pretty much that simple.

ET Warrior
04-03-2005, 08:27 PM
No, they covered themselves because they ate from the tree of knowledge and then realized that they were "naked" and were embarassed. Clothing is a result of modesty, it's not an effort to cover our evil bodies of sin.

Vikinor
04-03-2005, 08:39 PM
Society has the problem with nudity. In America nudity is viewed differently than in other places like Europe.

Dagobahn Eagle
04-03-2005, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by Lightsaberboy
so all that gore and violence, ball-ripping and head shooting and all the other gorey stuff they do in the movie would be okay for you? but brief seconds of the femal breast and it's "no no, no thanks for me?

i see....
My sentiments exactly. Good man.:cool:

I'm religious, so I don't like nudity
B. S.
Stop using your religion as a shield and tell us why you really dislike nudity. Please.

Nudity has been proven over and over to be good for you. It's a huge thing in Scandinavia (and I want to go to a nude beach to try it someday, when I work up the courage:D), and it's never been proven to be bad for you. On the contrary, it teaches you respect for the other gender and removes taboos.

...If you Christians "moralists" care about science and facts, that is:rolleyes:.

I say put in unisex bathrooms and locker rooms and screw this whole "nudity is evil" BS.

And don't get me started on the "think of the children" nonsense. I grew up in a nation where it's normal for children to see the opposite gender nude, and I never heard of any of them taking any damage whatsoever from it. They don't think it's gross until you teach them it's gross. "Think of the adults" is a more valid slogan. Or maybe "think of the conservatives!";).

Our bodies are beautiful and it is possible to look on a naked woman with pure intention and without lustful desire. The sin is not the act of being or seeing nudity, the sin is lusting. Lust is one of the seven deadly sins, seeing impure things is not.
Exactly II:cool:. Why do I even post when people say this way better than I do:D?

ET Warrior
04-03-2005, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
Why do I even post when people say this way better than I do:D?

Because you like the sound of your own e-voice? :p

IG-64
04-03-2005, 09:44 PM
I hate it how everyone puts things they dissagree with in "quoatations".

How I look at it, from a "religious morality" standpoint, which none of you seem to get; you can watch violence, but it is bad to act it out. Nudity however, is bad to watch. Why? Because nudity leads to lust. And it leads to adulty (and addiction, and corruption) much easier than watching violence. Acting out lustful things is a normal desire for a human being (and simply wrong from a religious standpoint, I don't know how to explain it any further than just that), while blowing someone's head off is maniacal. Don't get me wrong though, I don't enjoy indulging myself unto gorey, explicit violence, it just makes me feel bad.

I hope that made enough sense for you people not to butcher it and put it all in "quotations" and use selective wording indended to ridicule. :joy:

If not, then I give up, because this debate is pretty pointless one way or another. And I only try to defend my beliefs which seem to be growing more and more neglected by the LF community every day.

ET Warrior
04-03-2005, 09:47 PM
I wouldnt' say your beliefs are neglected so much as simply not shared by the majority. ;)

The problem is that nudity doesn't lead straightaway to lust. Seeing a naked woman does not make me instantly want to have sex with her, I simply will admire her beauty. It's like saying art is bad because it's nice to look at.

Just because a lot of people who are lustful enjoy nudity doesn't mean nudity causes lust.


Correlation != Causation.

Neverhoodian
04-03-2005, 09:59 PM
There are many reasons why nudity is a controversial subject. For one thing, people don't usually walk around nude in everyday life. Though there are social influences that play a factor, clothing does serve very important practical purposes. I certainly wouldn't want to brave a raging blizzard naked, or for that matter getting hit in the family jewels (or anywhere else) hard with nothing to soften the blow. :eek:

It's curious how the definition of indecency changes over time according to culture. Back in the 1800's, it was considered indecent for women to show their ankles. They'd probably have a conniption fit if they saw how short skirts are nowadays. Basically, indecency is whatever society deems it to be. I kid you not, if showing off elbows ever became indecent, Playboy playmates would be flashing bare elbows instead of breasts.

One has to keep in mind that the standards of indecency are not the same in other parts of the world. I'm not going to be judgemental towards tribal women in Africa just because they might go around topless. They've been raised in a different social setting than mine, with different customs, standards and traditions that I could never fully understand.

I suppose it all boils down to personal taste. If you watch a movie that contains material you may find indecent, you have every right not to look, just as those who don't have every right to watch.

IG-64
04-03-2005, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Just because a lot of people who are lustful enjoy nudity doesn't mean nudity causes lust.

And I agree with that, I enjoy art, but usually in movies nudity is intended to sexually excite.

We were discussing nudity in movies, weren't we? >_>

Originally posted by Neverhoodian

It's curious how the definition of indecency changes over time according to culture. Back in the 1800's, it was considered indecent for women to show their ankles. They'd probably have a conniption fit if they saw how short skirts are nowadays. Basically, indecency is whatever society deems it to be. I kid you not, if showing off elbows ever became indecent, Playboy playmates would be flashing bare elbows instead of breasts.

Yeah, and that's called Lust.

ET Warrior
04-03-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
Yeah, and that's called Lust.

Not so, lust is defined as "Intense or unrestrained sexual craving." Enjoying the sight of a womans body does not necessarily correlate to sexual craving. It may be that you simply appreciate the female body which is, in fact, a beautiful thing. (Better in person, but that is neither here nor there)

Nudity in movies is NOT necessarily there to be arousing or lust inducing. It's a manner of expression or art.

Nudity in PORN is intended for that purpose, but we're not discussing porn.

Tyrion
04-03-2005, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by IG-64

"How I look at it, from a "religious morality" standpoint, which none of you seem to get; you can watch violence, but it is bad to act it out. Nudity however, is bad to watch. Why? Because nudity leads to lust. And it leads to adulty (and addiction, and corruption) much easier than watching violence. Acting out lustful things is a normal desire for a human being (and simply wrong from a religious standpoint, I don't know how to explain it any further than just that), while blowing someone's head off is maniacal. Don't get me wrong though, I don't enjoy indulging myself unto gorey, explicit violence, it just makes me feel bad."

But you see, being lustful by itself isn't that bad. But like with violence, acting out in lust(namely adultering or rape) is what's harmful. If the woman goes bare by her own free will in front of a camera, then she shouldn't feel embarrased knowing that men are going to masturbate at her image.

(wait, we're not talking about porn? Oh, uh, then ditto what Et said...:p)

And to further describe what Never is saying, back in the 1800's exposed breasts actually were common, and it was the shown ankles and elbows that were taboo.

IG-64
04-03-2005, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Nudity in PORN is intended for that purpose, but we're not discussing porn.

Sorry, I was replying to this:

Originally posted by Neverhoodian
Playboy playmates would be flashing bare elbows instead of breasts.

I should probably have made it more clear.

Vikinor
04-03-2005, 10:29 PM
Nudity in porn is where I draw my line. That goes against my religion. Just seeing a naked person doesn't really have an effect on me. But seeing naked people in front of a camera in certain poses. Well that just gets different.


In Sweden the people don't seem to have a BIG problem with nudity like America does. Say for example. I am going to a beach. I have my swimming shorts, but they aren't on. So I get to the beach and I decide to change right there around other people. There isn't that much of a effect. Try doing that in Ocean City.

IG-64
04-03-2005, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by VikingLarz
Nudity in porn is where I draw my line. That goes against my religion. Just seeing a naked person doesn't really have an effect on me. But seeing naked people in front of a camera in certain poses. Well that just gets different.


In Sweden the people don't seem to have a BIG problem with nudity like America does. Say for example. I am going to a beach. I have my swimming shorts, but they aren't on. So I get to the beach and I decide to change right there around other people. There isn't that much of a effect. Try doing that in Ocean City.

Yeah, you'd probably get arrested for indecent exposure here in America. Personally I like to go to beach knowing i'm not gonna have to see someone's bits. :p

LukeKatarn
04-03-2005, 10:54 PM
Me too. I agree with you IG. And yes, we all know cold isn't an excuse. Say it was the hotest day of the year, why do we still wear clothes? Why do we swim with swimming clothes? Etc.. Adam and Eve were nude, are you sure? I belive that, but I am just agenst nudity unless it is someone I am related with in the now. Everyone is related in some way, but you don't consider them all your family.

lukeiamyourdad
04-03-2005, 11:07 PM
So you're saying to see both your parents naked but it's not fine if it's your friend? Or some girl on TV or in a movie?

I'd rather never see my parents naked. Ever.

TheOutrider
04-03-2005, 11:21 PM
Im religious and I have no problem with nudity as long as it isn't perverted nudity. I mean if its part of a movie then fine with me. And who invented that stupid sterotype thingy that "Nudity is wrong". Its like saying body function (burps and farts) are wrong.




























I got in trouble for farting in class the other day then talked back with "Its a natural body function".

TheOutrider
04-03-2005, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by IG-64
Yeah, you'd probably get arrested for indecent exposure here in America. Personally I like to go to beach knowing i'm not gonna have to see someone's bits. :p Theres this beach where I live where people get nude whenever they feel like it.

SkinWalker
04-04-2005, 01:01 AM
It seems pretty clear that those that are worried and concerned about seeing a movie that has nude scenes in it are really saying more about themselves than the movies.

I pity the person who watches a Rated R movie and worries about the 15 second nude scene in a well done cinematic production. While they may have lasted more than 15 seconds, the nude scenes in movies like Moulin Rouge with Nicole Kidman and Sea of Love with Al Pacino and Ellen Barkin were both extremely well done and the scenes added to the overall cinematic effect.

Did it create feelings of lust, eroticism, love, romance, desire, etc.? Sure. But one doesn't need a nude scene in a movie to get those feelings. It's how you deal with those feelings that makes or breaks you as a Christian. If you leave the movie and have only the scene of Al Pacino and Ellen Barkin in your head, or spend the night in your bathroom thinking about Nicole Kidman's red hair and pale, creamy skin against your own.... then you missed the point of the movie and wasted your $7.50.

Nudity is a natural state of humanity. Sex is a natural act of humanity. We're the only animal on the planet that appears to engage in it purely for recreational purposes. If there is a god, then sex must be his gift to humanity. But to worry that you will be corrupted by the very act of viewing nudity -not even actual sex, or even sex itself in a cinematic production says more about the individual that is viewing than society as a whole.

The Abrahamic aversion to nudity and sexuality stems from its patriarchal bias and the oppression of the woman in general. This is true for Christianity, Islam, Judaism, the Othodox Churches, etc. Religions prior to the Judeo-Christian sects used to embrace sex and use it in ritual ceremonies that celebrated the sacred union of man and woman into a new state of being in which both became one and that one was spiritually whole.

God's "left hand" was once a female. The Canaanite tradition (the region in which the Jewish people who wrote the Torah originated) held that Yahweh had a wife, Asherah (one of her names); the Gnostic Gospels include that Jesus had female Apostles -indeed one is seen in Da Vinci's The Last Supper. Priests were once required to engage in sexual union with their counterparts in order to commune with God but, following the Cannonization of the current Christian dogma, the female was effectively restricted and oppressed in the Church. Even in contemporary Protestant faiths, female ministers and reverends are rare. The left is considered evil and right is identified with righteousness.

"Mother Earth" has been long forgotten in the recent religion of Christianity and in its place is "Our Father," along with the patriarchal bias against the femanine gender and sexuality. Among Abrahamic religions, it is the female that is oppressed with clothing. Rarely is it the male that is restricted in his nudity to the degree of the female - a man working in the yard without a shirt is acceptable.

CapNColostomy
04-04-2005, 01:40 AM
Here's the thing about nudity. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. And if you argue that point, the one pair of underwear you've been wearing since you were five or so, must smell like prison ass and be all ten kinds of full of holes, because like, you hate nudity! So where do you get off trying to get nude for the sake of bathing, showering, or just cleaning up?!

There's a time and a place for everything, sure. Nudity falls under this rule. Sometimes, it's just not a good idea to be nude. But if one makes a movie, and tries to capture gritty realism, and that requires nudity, so be it, I say. The director must have felt that it was the time and place for nudity. If that bothers you, more the fool you. I'm curious how much internet pr0n is downloaded daily by all of these anti nudity nut jobs. It's a good thing your mothers weren't so close/clothes minded. Or else you might have a permanent panties necklace you'd have to sport for all of your days.

One of the greatest works of art (and tiniest penis's) of all time waves hello to you prudes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/visualarts/images/david_big.jpg

Darth Rythe
04-04-2005, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by GothiX
To the people whining about nudity in movies: Get a grip. It's called "cinematography", adding some form of realism to movies. It's not like they're having sex with horses or anything. If nudity bothers you that much, I feel sorry for any girlfriend you might get.

Emphasis on "might".

I agree with that 100%

What, do you guys take showers fully clothed, do you get freaked out about going to the beach?

toms
04-04-2005, 09:52 AM
This thread could really do with an introduction, as it kind of comes ut of nowhere for those people who wern't involved in the original Sin City thread... ;) :atat:

Sometimes on the web its really hard to figure out if people are serious, or just taking an awkward position in order to stir up controversy. I know that the US is supposed to be prudish as far as nudity goes, but this is silly.

If i remeber my Adam & Eve correctly god WANTED then to be naked, it was only once they were "corrupted" that they became ashamed of their nudity and covered themselves... So surely all christians should be trying to be as nude and pure as they can be?

I obviously went to the wrong churches, as i don't remember EVER being told that nudity was against religion. Sex maybe. Lust maybe. But not nudity.

Oddly, it is clear that the MORE REPRESSED a person and/or country is about nudity the MORE nudity becomes corrupting and lustful.

You can hang around on beaches in europe (heck, even england) and be surrounded by naked and semi-naked people. But because it is usual it isn't seen in a lustful way.

However in a country where it ISN'T usually seen, the smallest flash of a breast causes uncontrolled lust or a national scandal (as seen by the janet jackson fiasco that the rest of the world just looked at dumbfounded about what all the fuss was about).
That is also why the flash of an ankle would have filled an 18th century guy with lust, but today it has no effect at all. Which is the more christian?

What about all the christian religious paintings in churches around the world that depict naked cherubs, naked women etc?

----

As for clothes, they serve multiple functions, modesty being only one. They can keep you warm, or cool. They can protect you from the sun, rain, wind, snow and other elements. They can contain your "bits" so they don't bounce around painfully or get caught on barbed wire. They protect you from general nicks, grazes and scratches. They identify your social grouping. Useful things, but not moral shields.

LukeKatarn
04-04-2005, 09:59 AM
People, shut up! I am talking about the nudity of others. If it is one you have a personal relationship ((Son, wife, soughter, etc.)) then it's fine. Just because I don't want to see people I'm not related to naked, doesn't mean I don't care if I'm naked in private, as long as noone sees me. I take showers, noone sees. Babys, well they ARE babies, it's not like their grown. I also don't really care about seeing my own gender naked. I mean it's just like me. But seeing a female naked, no, unless I'm related. So buzz off of IG and me, there is no reason to mock our parents and us.

acdcfanbill
04-04-2005, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
...But seeing a female naked, no, unless I'm related... no offense, but this seems a bit weird, in my book anyway. I would think the very opposite.

LukeKatarn
04-04-2005, 10:12 AM
Because your a pervert?:D And to everything who was mockeing IG and me, how do you like to have an 11 year old telling you to buzz off? MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!:p

Tyrion
04-04-2005, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Because your a pervert?:D And to everything who was mockeing IG and me, how do you like to have an 11 year old telling you to buzz off? MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!:p

Ah, to be 11 again and have that youthful feeling of inner power. Don't worry, you have a few more years left until you realise it's just your hormones trying to get you killed.

Mine almost got me, those bastards.




:mad:

El Sitherino
04-04-2005, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Because your a pervert?:D I don't know, I think wanting only to see those you're related to, naked, is more perverted. Then again, I have dabbled in the world of perversion from time to time. But personally nudity does nothing for me, it has to be actual acts to get my lusting going. I'm not all "zOMG titty" I'm "wow, those are some nice sheets, looks like silk..."

SkinWalker
04-04-2005, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
People, shut up! I am talking about the nudity of others.

And at 11 years old, I should hope you do avoid the movies with nude scenes. Most 11 year olds simply aren't mature enough to handle it. But with time and maturity, I hope you come to see nudity as not something to be ashamed of, but rather something about humanity that can be appreciated -appreciated in spite of lust and all those emotions that religious people ascribe to be "sinful."

However, your personal nudity should be guarded, since (as noted by others) there are those among humanity who regard it in ways that go far beyond appreciation of the human body.

ZBomber
04-04-2005, 04:27 PM
When you get the "Talk", you'll realize that sex and nudity isn't a dirty thing.... unless your parents make it sound like it is....

Dagobahn Eagle
04-04-2005, 04:58 PM
It's OK to see violence, but nudity creates lust
And watching violence doesn't create violence? Not true. I'm not saying absolutely everyone who plays Age of Empires II goes off to buy a pike or sword and kills everyone in town with it (more than I'm saying that every single person who watches nudity has to go off and have sex afterwards;)), but they're not completely innocent either.

Oddly, it is clear that the MORE REPRESSED a person and/or country is about nudity the MORE nudity becomes corrupting and lustful.

Exactly.

And at 11 years old, I should hope you do avoid the movies with nude scenes. Most 11 year olds simply aren't mature enough to handle it.
I beg to differ. Several Scandinavian kids' movies involve nudity, and again, no one has taken any damage from it.

Also, as I said before, in Norway it's common to take little kids into the opposite gender's locker room (for example, if you're a woman and you're bringing a 4-year old boy with you, you can't very well send him into the mens' locker room by himself, can you;)), and I've never heard of them taking damage from it. Nor do anyone mind being watched by them.

Nudity meant to arouse is a different thing (aka porn) which I shall not utter here.

However, your personal nudity should be guarded, since (as noted by others) there are those among humanity who regard it in ways that go far beyond appreciation of the human body.
Sure there are, but I still don't feel it's the right thing to do to segregate and hide away nudity. It's like you're almost bound to shower with a homosexual/lesbian if you go to public swimming pools for a prolonged time or shower after gymnastics class. It's an inevitable fact of life, for better and for worse.

One of the greatest works of art (and tiniest penises) of all time waves hello to you prudes.
Wow, I never realized! It's tiny!
Er, anyway. :o

LukeKatarn
04-04-2005, 04:59 PM
Sex, very very dirty unless it is with your spouce (sp?). Nudity, not AS dirty, but still should be avoided unless with your offspring, spouce, or any child.

CapNColostomy
04-04-2005, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Nudity, not AS dirty, but still should be avoided unless with your offspring, spouce, or any child.

Yes. Please bring forth the nude children. I must have more of that.

El Sitherino
04-04-2005, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
It's like you're almost bound to shower with a homosexual/lesbian if you go to public swimming pools for a prolonged time or shower after gymnastics class. It's an inevitable fact of life, for better and for worse. I think he meant rapists, not gays. ;)

El Sitherino
04-04-2005, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by CapNColostomy
Yes. Please bring forth the nude children. I must have more of that.

LukeKatarn
04-04-2005, 05:04 PM
.............................. I mean it's ok to see a naked child and for 4 and under to see an oppoisiote gender like that. But seeing an adult nude on a screen when it isn't necessery ((Nudity is never necessery)) and you are't related to taht person at all, well, yeah. I'm agenst nudity, and so what if I am? I'm not saying yo uall can't enjoy it.

GothiX
04-04-2005, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Sex, very very dirty unless it is with your spouce (sp?).
Sorry, where did sex become dirty? You must've missed out on the Sexual Revolution or something. Sex is a generally accepted part of life - you'll learn in a year or 5, maybe 6.

Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Nudity, not AS dirty, but still should be avoided unless with your offspring, spouce, or any child.

Bull. Just because you ain't got the balls to accept the fact that nudity is normal, doesn't make it any less normal. Once again, you'll laugh at yourself in a few years.

I know, because I laugh at you too.

El Sitherino
04-04-2005, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
.............................. I mean it's ok to see a naked child and for 4 and under to see an oppoisiote gender like that.

Some people lust after children, so going by your feelings on the issue, that's wrong as well, regardless of if you feel that way or not. Going by your argument.

Originally posted by LukeKatarn
But seeing an adult nude on a screen when it isn't necessery

It was part of plot in Sin City.

Originally posted by LukeKatarn
((Nudity is never necessery))

I disagree.

Originally posted by LukeKatarn
I'm agenst nudity, and so what if I am? I'm not saying yo uall can't enjoy it. But you make no sense, and so we must debate with you. Much like the retarded kid playing with the silly string.

LukeKatarn
04-04-2005, 05:15 PM
You mean sexual abuse? true, but only criminals do that. So if you did that, then you'd be a criminal and end up in jail. And yes, I know what sex is. Sex can lead to a... baby. A baby can lead to if the mother doesn't want the baby... abortion, and abortion will lead to hell. It's very simple. ABortion is murder, many people don't belive that, but it is a liveing thing.

El Sitherino
04-04-2005, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
You mean sexual abuse? true, but only criminals do that.

... k. Point being?

Originally posted by LukeKatarn
And yes, I know what sex is. Sex some times leads to abortion, and abortion leads to... HELL! .... That's the most retarded line of argument ever.

LukeKatarn
04-04-2005, 05:19 PM
It's true, sometimes females will have sex, and end up with a baby. The ymight not want to take care of the baby and bam, murder. Murder= Hell. Plain and simple.

CapNColostomy
04-04-2005, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
You mean sexual abuse? true, but only criminals do that. And yes, I know what sex is. Sex some times leads to abortion, and abortion leads to... HELL!

Save what shred of credability you can and either

A) Edit that post before anyone else can see it and points at you and laughs.

or

B)Run away. And never come back.

swphreak
04-04-2005, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Because your a pervert?:D And to everything who was mockeing IG and me, how do you like to have an 11 year old telling you to buzz off? MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!:p

Sounds like you're dealing with some incestual tendencies to me.

Tell me off? Over the intarweb? Oh noes!

Nudity isn't a big deal. People are just insecure about it all.

El Sitherino
04-04-2005, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
It's true, sometimes females will have sex, and end up with a baby. The ymight not want to take care of the baby and bam, murder. Murder= Hell. Plain and simple. But what the hell does that have to do with nudity in a movie being "bad"? Or sex being "bad" or anything you've talked about before the last few posts.

Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
Nudity isn't a big deal. People are just insecure about it all. Penile envy I suspect. Or in the case of women, breast envy.

It's all crap anyway.

swphreak
04-04-2005, 05:23 PM
LukeKatarn, I suggest you unplug the internet from your computer, and come back when you're educated and not an ignorant 11 year old.

LukeKatarn
04-04-2005, 05:26 PM
True Insane, that does have nothing to do with nudity, and we are alittle off topic. Enjoy nudity if you want, I'm just gonna leave this thread since you all mock me for dislikeing nudity. It's not my fault my parents taught me right. ((no flameing intendeed.))

lukeiamyourdad
04-04-2005, 05:32 PM
Yes, we are a bunch of people who are wrong in the head...oh well, that's actually true...

El Sitherino
04-04-2005, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by LukeKatarn
True Insane, that does have nothing to do with nudity, and we are alittle off topic.

Quite.

Originally posted by LukeKatarn
Enjoy nudity if you want, I'm just gonna leave this thread since you all mock me for dislikeing nudity.

Noones mocking you except for the idiots that think they're cool. (cept Cap, he is cool and funny, unlike the others)

Originally posted by LukeKatarn
It's not my fault my parents taught me right. ((no flameing intendeed.)) I actually think that was fully intended to hurt.

And your righteousness is merely your opinion (unfounded at that). But I don't care if you find nudity offensive, I just wish to know why. Real reasons, none of this religion excuses.

Jed
04-04-2005, 05:41 PM
This thread makes the devil SCREAM WITH TEARS, ASTONISHED BY THE FACT THAT HE COULD CREATE SOMETHING SO HORRIBLE

If there was a person fighting against nudity that had a cell capable of relaying an action potential in their skull, I'd leave this open.

But the stupidity knocks on my door at night and tells me to burn things.



There's nothing left to burn.