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Darth Groovy
04-06-2005, 02:07 PM
I worked my first day at Game Stop yesterday, and I have concluded that the Nintendo DS, is the biggest waste of money on the planet. SEVERAL customers have traded in the DS along with all the games, in order to get Playstation's more virsatile PSP system (which at the time of this thread posting, is out of stock.) Some of what the customers have said, I cannot repeat.

Looks like Nintendo blew it again.:(

Right now we have DOZENS of DS systems sitting in the backroom, and have not sold one single system yet. Wow.

txa1265
04-06-2005, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
I worked my first day at Game Stop yesterday, and I have concluded that the Nintendo DS, is the biggest waste of money on the planet. SEVERAL customers have traded in the DS along with all the games, in order to get Playstation's more virsatile PSP system (which at the time of this thread posting, is out of stock.) Some of what the customers have said, I cannot repeat.

Looks like Nintendo blew it again.:(

Right now we have DOZENS of DS systems sitting in the backroom, and have not sold one single system yet. Wow.
So you're judging this based on a two week old system compared to a 5 month old system?

In the US, in its' first week the DS *far* outsold the numbers the PSP produced ... in fact Sony didn't sell even *half* of what they shipped to the US, whereas the DS was completely sold out.

I own both, and like both. What I like best about the DS, quite frankly, is that it is a better GameBoy than my GBA SP - better screen, and the layout of things suits me better. I've not touched my SP since getting the DS for Christmas.

The PSP is a sexy device, but a lot of the 'features' are crap. Music - gimmick, since anyone buying this probably already has a MP3 player that has 10x the functionality. Movies - again, gimmick. Pictures - gimmick.

It is all about games. And the games that were there for the PSP launch were pretty darn good. Lumines is a cool 21st century Tetris, and Untold Legends is a mediocre but fun-enough story-lite hak-n-slash RPG. That is all I have, as race & sports I have no interest in, nor fighting games. I don't know when I'll get another game ...

DS games? My wife got me Mario DS. I've played a few minutes ... just not my type of game. I have nothing else, and don't know when I will ...

Mike

ET Warrior
04-06-2005, 02:29 PM
I think the biggest problem with the DS is not the system, it's the games. Nintendo seems to be struggling getting a solid launch lineup to accompany their new devices, and that is KILLER.

If Microsoft hadn't had Halo for the launch of the XBox, then I think there' s a decent chance we might not be seeing the Xbox 2 coming up soon enough.

You can make or break yourself with what you offer the people, and the people want games. I would CONSIDER buying a PSP to watch movies or TV episodes, but I don't travel enough to warrant it, and if I am traveling I'm usually driving, so in the end it really wouldn't be a sensical purcahse for me.

Darth Groovy
04-06-2005, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by txa1265
So you're judging this based on a two week old system compared to a 5 month old system?

In the US, in its' first week the DS *far* outsold the numbers the PSP produced ... in fact Sony didn't sell even *half* of what they shipped to the US, whereas the DS was completely sold out.

I own both, and like both. What I like best about the DS, quite frankly, is that it is a better GameBoy than my GBA SP - better screen, and the layout of things suits me better. I've not touched my SP since getting the DS for Christmas.

The PSP is a sexy device, but a lot of the 'features' are crap. Music - gimmick, since anyone buying this probably already has a MP3 player that has 10x the functionality. Movies - again, gimmick. Pictures - gimmick.

It is all about games. And the games that were there for the PSP launch were pretty darn good. Lumines is a cool 21st century Tetris, and Untold Legends is a mediocre but fun-enough story-lite hak-n-slash RPG. That is all I have, as race & sports I have no interest in, nor fighting games. I don't know when I'll get another game ...

DS games? My wife got me Mario DS. I've played a few minutes ... just not my type of game. I have nothing else, and don't know when I will ...

Mike

The numbers speak for themselves. I work at a very busy locatation. I can't say that I am all that impressed with the DS lineup. I thought about getting one until Yesterday. I was looking at a 3 foot section of both new and used games. Not alot to pick from for a 5 month old system. :giveup:

txa1265
04-06-2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Not alot to pick from for a 5 month old system. :giveup: ... and not necessarily a lot on the horizon ...

What is coming I'm interested in on the DS
- Metroid Prime Hunters
- Revenge of the Sith
- Final Fantasy III
- Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
- ?

On the PSP
- Revenge of the Sith
- Final Fantasy VII?
- Tales of Eternia?
- Coded Arms?
- ?

Not clear ...

Mike

LukeKatarn
04-06-2005, 03:53 PM
If FFVII comes out on PSP, that speaks or itsself about if I'm getting one or not. Maybe they'll add atleast SOME voice acting? I agree, the DS doesn't have that many good games, but SM64DS and the Urbz are pretty cool. There seem to be more on the horizon, so hopefully we'll see some awsome DS games, and hopefully PSP. WIth the new MGS game comeing to PSP, people are gonne want one alot.

El Sitherino
04-06-2005, 05:28 PM
Nationally the DS is still selling more than the PSP. Infact I heard after the launch of the PSP, DS sales went up again.

Perhaps it's just your location grooves. I mean, David Bowie is awesome, but down here (Texas, mainly Fort Worth and other nearby cities) on average about 20 of his cd's are bought a year.


Me, If I get a DS, I'll be waiting for more games to come out.

ZBomber
04-06-2005, 06:32 PM
They kinda screwed themselves by adding the touch-screen. They said themselves it'll be for game designers who wnat a challenge...... really though, how many game designers think about a challenge and not the money?

TiE23
04-06-2005, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith

Perhaps it's just your location grooves.
Yah, I live in Seattle, Microsoft is based here, and Xbox is crazy, its always sold out, and at the Gamestop I go to, one half is PS2 games, the other is Xbox, no one is ever browsing the PS2 games. And Halo 2 is known far and wide around here, too.

BTW: During the last Newyears day celebration, the fire works went off to the sound of the theme of Halo. :p

TiE

BongoBob
04-06-2005, 06:57 PM
If I remember correctly they did something like that here in Vegas, but it was just like the end part with the monks :)

I want both. There's quite a few games I'd like on both systems.

DS
Metroid Prime: Hunters(not out yet)
Mario64DS (out)
Warioware Touched (out)
Dynasty Warriors (not out yet)
Viewtiful Joe (not out yet)
Super Mario Bros (not out yet)
Mario Kart (not out yet)
Yoshi Touch and Go (out)

PSP
THPS2:Remix (out supposedly)
Dynasty Warriors (out)
NFSU:Rivals (out)
Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition (not out yet)
Death Jr (not out yet)

PSP has good games out now, and it sounds like the DS will get more as time goes by.

My family is getting a DS in the next two weeks, and I don't care. It is awsome to me. So there aren't many games out right now. But I can't afford alot of games right now. When the games come out I'll have money (hopefully : ( )

Derc
04-06-2005, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
SEVERAL customers have traded in the DS along with all the games, in order to get Playstation's more virsatile PSP system (which at the time of this thread posting, is out of stock.)
Yeah but those customers don't represent the whole country. :o

Originally posted by Darth Groovy
I have concluded that the Nintendo DS, is the biggest waste of money on the planet.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Derc/Smilies/dot.gif ...and that's not really fair evidence that it is.

STTCT
04-06-2005, 08:38 PM
Well - The DS will obviously come down in value. As will the PSP in time. I think in the long run PSP will dominate. But the PSP is not getting rave reviews as well. People at my work are complaining that they can't get a hold of the Memory sticks. Everywhere is sold out and people are jacking up the prices. If you want a 1gb stick your going to pay well over $100 in addition to the $250 for PSP plus $50 for game. So you have a $400 system. Not many parents are willing to spend that much for their kids or let alone trust them with something so expensive that could get lost. The DS will sell mostly to people interested in their Kids gaming. Teenagers will go for PSP. Also - PSP has a lot of games that are directed for Guys. Girls tend to like the games on DS. They are cuter. Mostly PSP has sports like games which are okay - but not always that great. Where's the role playing games?

txa1265
04-06-2005, 09:28 PM
PSP is *clearly* directed at the affluent 20-something male ... if you don't believe me look at the game and in particular the videos being released.

I still don't see the PSP 'dominating' ... but I don't think it will go the way of the game gear, either ...


Mike

swphreak
04-06-2005, 10:44 PM
Groovs, I think you're location is just special...

Me? I like my DS a lot. Even Mario64 DS, which I honestly never played that much on the N64. The DS will pick up some momentum soon, you just need patience. Some of the games coming out (that have no release dates) look good.

To be honest, I can't wait to see what the pokemon game they release is going to be like, and I'm not talking about that BS pokemon racing game that's coming out.

Besides, the PSP is so freaking overpriced for what it is should be, a portable gaming device. Not some media player. I will never buy a PSP unless it goes down to $150, or I win it in some contest.

abespam
04-06-2005, 11:24 PM
but pokemon games always sell like hotcakes. Regardless of the capabilities of the DS it wil sell. However if they do something new and exciting with touch screen it would be interesting. The DS had better capabilities for RPG games in terms of gameplay.

El Sitherino
04-06-2005, 11:41 PM
If they make a great new pokemon game I'd be sold for the DS. I don't care what anyone says, those games are fun. The sales of them speak for themselves.

lukeiamyourdad
04-06-2005, 11:56 PM
The Pokemon RPGs were a lot of fun. They still managed to screw it up with the TV serie...ugh...

El Sitherino
04-06-2005, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
The Pokemon RPGs were a lot of fun. They still managed to screw it up with the TV serie...ugh... Well considering they pretty much had to BS up a story....

lukeiamyourdad
04-07-2005, 12:02 AM
Well, the first season wasn't so bad, it was nice because it was the first but after it finished, they just kept on spamming them out...

El Sitherino
04-07-2005, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Well, the first season wasn't so bad, it was nice because it was the first but after it finished, they just kept on spamming them out... That could be said for a lot of series though.

Astrotoy7
04-07-2005, 06:23 AM
The Nintendo DS: The Next Dreamcast

Grooves, I love you man :p

everytime I say things like this I get earbashed by Lynk and cohorts and get called a Sony fanboy etc etc :p

I'm getting a PSP dirt cheap when I visit asia later this year... sure a psp may be cool, but i'd never pay the ridiculous RRPs they expect us to pay here....Id rather save my beans for the ps3 :D

mtfbwya

RebelScum!
04-07-2005, 08:58 AM
Well even though im not much of the hand-held mini game systems, I would think that DS would whoop the crap out of PSP. I know at least fifty nintendo fans (I randomly talk to people in the mall :p) who would sell there immortal souls for a DS. And as for the ones that have one they mow lawns and slave for months just to buy the tons of games that want. Thats what I called motivated. Anyway I'm with the DS...the PSP is a rip off thats prices more...thats lik the Food Lion Moutain Dew going for more that the real stuff.....





Originally posted by TiE 23
BTW: During the last Newyears day celebration, the fire works went off to the sound of the theme of Halo. :p

Are you freaking serious! 0.0

El Sitherino
04-07-2005, 10:09 AM
... Food Lion is still in business? HAHAHAHAHA, those overpricing bastards.


Anyway, yeah, astro is a sony fanboy. But whatever. :p

LukeKatarn
04-07-2005, 11:25 AM
Lol. The dreamcast was awsome, it had great games ((Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, etc..)) and I loved it. I got it when I was 8. I had so much fun with that overly hard, yet awsome SOnic Shuffle. The minigames pwned Mario Party.

Darth Groovy
04-07-2005, 11:47 AM
I wouldn't call myself a Sony fanboy, but Sony does make some pretty good stuff sometimes.

I used and abused my Sony Playstion for many years, and got back double my money's worth.

When PS2 came out, sure I wanted one, but wound up getting an XBox instead, well I love THAT too.

I have to say that PSP looks wicked cool, but about 2 hundred and too many dollars too expensive for me right now.

Astro, can you smurf me one too?:confused:

Astrotoy7
04-07-2005, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
IAstro, can you smurf me one too?:confused:

yeah, right after Ive smurfed one for all 200 other people who've asked me for one too :p Would you prefer a bride instead perhaps ? :p

mtfbwya

Darth Groovy
04-07-2005, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
yeah, right after Ive smurfed one for all 200 other people who've asked me for one too :p Would you prefer a bride instead perhaps ? :p

mtfbwya

Well I dunno, is she clean? Does she have all of her original teeth?:confused:

toms
04-07-2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
SEVERAL customers have traded in the DS along with all the games, in order to get Playstation's more virsatile PSP system

I suspect they may be of the "early adopter" type who has to have the newest, latest thing.

Nationally the DS numbers have been better than the PSP, but then it is cheaper. Memory Sticks (overpriced, proprietory) are the bane of most sony products, and their price really limits the use of the music and movie functions. Nice extras though they are.

It will be the games that decide which one wins (though i think they'll both do ok) and at the moment the DS range is looking weaker. (although also cheaper, more female friendly and more backwards compatible).

THPS2 Underground and Lumines look awsome on the PSP.

Nothing apart from warioware touched grabs me so far from the pathetic DS launch... though versions of Advance wars, Pokemon and Zelda should be cool and sell well.

But at the moment neither has a strong enough catalogue to sell me. PSP has more of the online "hype" going... but online people are naturally more techie and impressed with advanced features than the general public.

If the PSP gets decent wireless internet browsing and organiser untilities from hotspots that might be the deciding factor for me. Other than that, its the games...

PS/ though the dreamcast analogy might be right, timing wise... as having a "more powerful" console launch just after you can kill you like it did the dreamcast. That said, DC looked like a great console, i'm even theinking of buying one on ebay...

STTCT
04-07-2005, 09:48 PM
I have a dreamcast. I loved it. I'm keeping mine. I loved playing Crazy Taxi on it. Shenmu is a lot of fun. RPG Game. I have Soul Calibur (great game). It had awesome graphics. I think it was an awesome awesome system.

These days - I just wish they'd start putting some great games out there for us.

I mean all that they are making with the regular consoles are basically mini pcs with barely any hard drive, and a controller.

They need to show us some VERY VERY Awesome games that would interest me in investing in another console or hand held console.

They are doing nothing graphics wise that looks any different that the last games we've played you know?

LukeKatarn
04-07-2005, 10:13 PM
Yeah. I've rented CT on my game cube, and I have CT 2 on my dream cast, that game is alot of fun. I've heard great things about Shenmue, and I love Soul Calibur two. The dream cast is one heck of a system, but I think they are WAY over priceing games for it now. I mean, the yaren't even NEW anymore! Besideds the really expensive games, it's an awsome system. That's why I will NEVER sell mine.

ET Warrior
04-07-2005, 11:47 PM
The games are expensive because, while they aren't NEW anymore, they're becoming collectors items. It's really hard to find games that aren't being manufactured, so they can charge more money for them.

toms
04-12-2005, 10:27 AM
Well, i've been looking at a few of the upcoming DS titles, and it looks like this system MAY have a future after all.

Goldeneye: Rogue Agent looks pretty good for a handheld shooter (something the DS may be quite good at)

http://www.worthplaying.com/press/173/GERA_NDS_1.jpg

THough why they don't release the original goldeneye is beyond me. I wonder who has the rights between nintendo, ea, rare and others...?

Advance Wars DS (shouldn't that be DS Wars?) looks pretty cool. Whith the touchscreen to control units and the top screen for animations and battle closeups.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/924889_20041007_screen001.jpg

Viewtiful Joe DS looks like it will rock! And (as you might expect) they are coming up with some cool uses for the touchscreen, including a Slash Edit VFX that allows you to shash across the screen to attack.
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ds/viewtifuljoe/scan01.jpg

And some of the upcoming 80 or so games sound cool, especially Katamari Damacy, Baten Kaitos, Shogun Warrior (looks like a mini shogun total war) and Secret of Mana!

http://www.n-sider.com/newsview.php?type=day&date=2005-03-19#812

Who knows, maybe it will be cool after all... though if these games come in too late everyone may well have passed it over for the PSP.

lukeiamyourdad
04-12-2005, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by toms

THough why they don't release the original goldeneye is beyond me. I wonder who has the rights between nintendo, ea, rare and others...?


I think it's because the evil bastards at EA own the rights to every 007 game now. I'm not sure if it's true, but it really wouldn't be a surprise.

Astrotoy7
04-12-2005, 10:58 AM
wow. I had my first hands on play with a psp today. Ok, Im a sony fanboi, but the graphics...the size of the screen..... I played GT4 and FIFA soccer and it is truly like having a portable ps2.... awesome.

seriously, looking at the DS, and its N64 generation grafix, it is really laughable. So when grooves tells us they aint sellin well, or are being frequently returned, one can hardly be surprised... :(

mtfbwya

Darth Groovy
04-12-2005, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
wow. I had my first hands on play with a psp today. Ok, Im a sony fanboi, but the graphics...the size of the screen..... I played GT4 and FIFA soccer and it is truly like having a portable ps2.... awesome.

seriously, looking at the DS, and its N64 generation grafix, it is really laughable. So when grooves tells us they aint sellin well, or are being frequently returned, one can hardly be surprised... :(

mtfbwya

:wstupid:

swphreak
04-12-2005, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
seriously, looking at the DS, and its N64 generation grafix, it is really laughable. So when grooves tells us they aint sellin well, or are being frequently returned, one can hardly be surprised... :(

Where's sardie to come and yell "graphics fanboy" when you need him to.

I'm perfectly fine with N64 graphics. For a freaking handheld that has a battery life of a buttload of hours, N64 graphics is awesome. Hell, it's a handheld, and I think it's perfect. I wish they'd just throw the DS some N64 ports.

And to those saying the PSP is a handheld, I don't consider something that has to be plugged into a wall after 4 hours a handheld. Rather useless if I can't find an outlet in an airport now isn't it? Or what about in a car? Buy an adapter? My DS doesn't need one. (And yes, I am in very long car rides).

Neverhoodian
04-12-2005, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by toms
Viewtiful Joe DS looks like it will rock! And (as you might expect) they are coming up with some cool uses for the touchscreen, including a Slash Edit VFX that allows you to shash across the screen to attack.
I don't know, I just can't get myself excited over either the DS or the PSP. That said, the Viewtiful Joe game is some serious incentive to get a DS for me. I'm a HUGE fan of Viewtiful Joe, no matter what system it's on. I suspect that Jasmine gal in the screenie is Joe's sister. At least, I sure hope so...I wouldn't want them to get rid of Silvia!

Lynk Former
04-12-2005, 10:58 PM
everytime I say things like this I get earbashed by Lynk and cohorts and get called a Sony fanboy etc etc
@ Astro: I have never called you a fanboy at all. In fact whenever I stand up to you on any issue concerning videogames you call ME a fanboy. This place is ruled by the majority of Playstation, Xbox and PC fans, only a handful of people actually like Nintendo and when those people speak up and say that Nintendo is good they're called fanboys and dismissed.

So to solve this problem of "fanboys" lets all agree just to stop the whole fanboy crap once and for all. :dozey:

The people who buy a Nintendo DS are the people who want affordable gaming, unconventional gaming... something DIFFERENT. In fact because of this a lot of the girls I know want and have bought a NDS. Their first videogames console ever! It's amazing to see that Nintendo has managed to attract people into the market that would've ignored it if Nintendo has just released yet another generic handheld that played conventional games. And to be honest, I'm bored with conventional gaming, I want to be able to do more than just push buttons and Nintendo doing exactly what I want them to do. Most people critise Nintendo for being different without realising that if they weren't gaming would be years behind what it is now. Nintendo has the guts to try new things and new things will make people skeptical but that's just human nature... Nintendo may not be #1 on the console scene but funny how they're #1 when it comes to making profit, double of what Sony's gaming division has made in a space of 8 years.

People claiming that the PSP or the NDS will fail miserably are, IMO, morons who should look at the facts. In reality the race is pretty damn even and it's really just a matter of taste. And remember, just because forums like this are filled with PSP fans doesn't mean the PSP has a larger following, it just means that most people who come here are the type of people to find the PSP to be for them ;) However, 98% of people I know love the NDS. I only know one person who wants a PSP more than an NDS, the rest want an NDS or already have one and love the games they play on it. A few of them have even gotten their PARENTS addicted to it!

The winner could be anyone, it's still too early to tell, Nintendo has a lot on the horizon, I know I'm looking forward to free online gaming thanks to Nintendo and there are many games coming out on the NDS which I would kill for.

lukeiamyourdad
04-12-2005, 11:17 PM
I just came across this article.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/12/news_6122117.html

El Sitherino
04-12-2005, 11:23 PM
Hmmm... excellent. Now for both the bastards to start competing instead of patting themselves on the back for their "successes".

BongoBob
04-12-2005, 11:23 PM
http://cad-comic.com/images/comics/20050205.jpg

kthxbai :)

jokemaster
04-12-2005, 11:37 PM
My 58 year old uncle is addicted to Warioware touched. Nuff said.

It's a matter of taste, me I don't want to waste 250 bucks for a PORTABLE with a 7 hr. battery life, if Astro says the graphics of the DS needs more oomph, I say the PSP's battery needs a hell of a lot more oomph. I bought the DS and I gave it the perfect test straight away: I flew from the US to Spain, and it lasted me the ENTIRE FLIGHT.
Personally, if I'm gonna watch a movie, I'll do it on my sister's portable DVD player or my laptop, that way I can go home, and STILL watch it on my big screen TV. I don't want to have 2 copies of movies, one for PSP and one for the rest. It's also why I say that HD-DVD and Blu-ray should reconcile or something. I support Nintendo on principles for trying to do something DIFFERENT with games.
If you ask me, we're getting too caught up with graphics, and what's 'cool'. WE'RE GEEKS FOR GOD'S SAKE! WHAT DO WE CARE WHAT'S COOL OR NOT!? And face it, if you post in a gaming forum like this one, you're a geek. I've heard complaints about how the DS looks 'stupid'. I'd buy a freaking pink console with flowers on it made out of wood if it had good games out with it. We're getting into a phase where games are judged by how good the graphics are and what amount of blood, gore, sex and profanity there is in it. I mean, look what they did to Prince of Persia. I played Warrior Within on mute and skipped the cutscenes. That's the first time I've ever done that in a game. I mean the first one didn't sell well so Ubisoft said
'hmm.....I know, let's add a chick with a thong on'
'no, that still won't work. I know, let's make the thong metal!'
'Yeah, and let's add metal music too.'
'Yeah and let's add swear words'
'AND BLOOD!'
Seriously? I'd rather play Katamari Damacy than watch PoP: WW. And I laugh when people say they hated Wind Waker, but loved Ocarina of Time, IT'S THE SAME BASIC GAMEPLAY PEOPLE!
Plus nintendo has announced free wireless out of the box for revolution, and I don't think they'll do subscription fees. So its online could very possibly beat the living **** out of PS3's or XBOX2's.
Now sure, Nintendo's made some mistakes, more this generation than in the last, like backing the wrong horse, but I think they were trying to do something different, they weren't trying to go where everyone was going, they're trying to innovate, to push videogaming into new forms (New forms, not same forms, better graphics).
That's also why I bought like 5 copies of Katamari Damacy and I'm planning to buy Psychonauts.
I've personally never considered myself a fanboy, and in fact, in my school I noticed something very funny. First they used to be Nintendo 'fanboys' because basically they had never HEARD of Sega, while my cousins had a Genesis, so I played Sonic and Mario while everyone else only played Mario. Then with the N64 generation, my cousins got a PS1, so while everyone raved about Goldeneye, Mario 64 and Waveracer, I was raving about Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, MGS, and FF. Then this new generation, suddenly everyone started bashing Nintendo, even though they basically are still making games under the same ideas. Remember, we wouldn't have online this soon without nintendo.

In the end, once again, Can't we all get along?

BTW, Bongobob, that reminds me of the time I posted the one where the XBOX plays the Gamecube one as a thread.

El Sitherino
04-12-2005, 11:42 PM
PSP doesn't last 7 hours unless plugged in....

jokemaster
04-12-2005, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
PSP doesn't last 7 hours unless plugged in....
I was giving it the benefit of the doubt. I've never played it longer than 30 minutes.

BongoBob
04-13-2005, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
If they make a great new pokemon game I'd be sold for the DS. I don't care what anyone says, those games are fun. The sales of them speak for themselves.

I play it at school against other people. People say we're playing a kiddie games and that we should play real games. Even though they wear pink. Go fig.

Is there a new one in development? I mean, I know there has to be, it's a nintendo handheld, they have to. I just want like a link or something. I still want to go get the GBA remakes of the original games, still my favorite ones out of them all :D

STTCT
04-13-2005, 12:46 AM
Is that like a new thing now - Cool guys wearing pink?

Sorry that's off topic - but I'm so out of touch...

Lightsaberboy
04-13-2005, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
PSP doesn't last 7 hours unless plugged in....

if you just play mp3s with it, it can last almost 10 hours.

STTCT
04-13-2005, 01:17 AM
cuz lord knows I want to spend $250 on an mp3 player......

Boba Rhett
04-13-2005, 01:36 AM
You're forgetting the added cost of the memory card you'd have to purchase as well to use it as such, Shan. :D

Darth Groovy
04-13-2005, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by STTCT
cuz lord knows I want to spend $250 on an mp3 player......

*puts on standard issue LF Moderator flame retardent suit*

Scuse me missy, my mp3 player cost EXACTLY $250! :mad:

AND holds 30GB, which includes every CD I have ever purchased in my entire life. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.:D

Not to come off like a Sony fanboy(I don't even own a PSP), but just what is so terrible about a 7 hour battery? Personally, unless you plan on flying from Brooklyn, NY, to Tokyo Japan, what could hold you up so bad that you could not find an electrical socket in THIS day and age for 7 hours?:confused:



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Boba Rhett
04-13-2005, 04:38 AM
There's no reason to complain about a seven hour battery life. That's a decent length of time.

The only problem here is that they don't last that long when used for actual gaming and not just MP3 playback.

Lynk Former
04-13-2005, 04:52 AM
@ Bongobob: I find that funny because if you turned it around and it was a Sony fan giving Nintendo crap it'd be portraying a few people around here :dozey:

The multimedia features the PSP has are all pretty cool, it's just the fact that you'd have to pay even more money for it all to be worth it really does suck. Also I really would rather buy a DVD rather than a UMD to watch any movie...


btw, I thought the battery for the PSP only lasted 2 and a half hours when playing games if none of the settings were adjusted. Remember you can't adjust the settings like that with an NDS...

Darth Groovy
04-13-2005, 04:55 AM
Dude, I don't even know too many laptops that have that much battery life. Think about it. What is the difference between having your laptop, and gameing on that, or having a PSP? Suddenly, that PSP doesn't seem all that expensive anymore, when stacked against how much I shelled out for a laptop. Seriously, if your going to sit and play the game for 4 - 7 hours streight, you need to take a potty break or something.

Jeezum Crow :eek:

Astrotoy7
04-13-2005, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by Darth Groovy
....Not to come off like a Sony fanboy(I don't even own a PSP), but just what is so terrible about a 7 hour battery?

Personally, unless you plan on flying from Brooklyn, NY, to Tokyo Japan, what could hold you up so bad that you could not find an electrical socket in THIS day and age for 7 hours?:confused:


cmon, dont forget, its sithy we're talkin about here, the man who wants to get a fan on his gamepad...

sithy, gettin a job will take a good 8+ hours out of your life at least 5 days a week. Then you wont have to worry about gamepad fans and mere 7 hours battery life :p

Lynky dont say "few people" when you mean ME and YOU... and you know I just do it to makes ya mad :p

mtfbwya

txa1265
04-13-2005, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by STTCT cuz lord knows I want to spend $250 on an mp3 player......

Not only that, but you get a MP3 player that is worse than anything you could have bought in the last 5 years! Sheesh ... mp HP430se had better MP3 features ... in 1998 ...

Originally posted by Darth Groovy
Not to come off like a Sony fanboy(I don't even own a PSP), but just what is so terrible about a 7 hour battery? Personally, unless you plan on flying from Brooklyn, NY, to Tokyo Japan, what could hold you up so bad that you could not find an electrical socket in THIS day and age for 7 hours?:confused: The issue is not 7 hours, but the 3 - 4 hours of real usage that you'd get.

My basic comparison is this:
- My DS - I charged it, and played through most of FF I before the LED told me to charge ... that was more than a week of playing around, also including fiddling with Mario 64.
- My PSP - I charged it, played bits of Lumines and Untold legends, transferred a few pictures, couple of MP3's and the EpIII trailer and fiddled with them, watched some of the lame 'demo videos', played a bit more Untold Legends ... and the battery charge light came on. Probably 3 hours of play time.

The battery life in the PSP is crap. It is like using one of the high-end gaming laptops with 1.5 hour battery life and not realizing the battery life in those is crap ...

Mike

Sam
04-13-2005, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by Lynk Former
btw, I thought the battery for the PSP only lasted 2 and a half hours when playing games if none of the settings were adjusted. Remember you can't adjust the settings like that with an NDS...

Little under 5 hours of Thug2 Remix.

Full volume and brightness.

toms
04-13-2005, 08:13 AM
Woah! This thread sprang back to life didn't it?!?

I wasn't intending to restart a fanboy war, i was just happy to learn that there were finally some decent DS games on the horizon, as the existing games library isn't up to much.

Its obvious that the PSP has better graphics, and more multimedia features. But the DS graphics (n64 era though they may be) still look pretty good on the small screen. Heck, even Doom 2 looks pretty nifty on a 3" screen.

It may be that one will beat the other, i think that they will end up about even, with different audiences owning different machines, and a few people owning both.

But only time will tell, so there is no point fighting over it.

Its nice to see that there are some interesting looking DS games coming up though, as up till now it looked very weak and sparse on the games front, and i worried the only games that would use the touch screen would be warioware ripoffs. Nice to see a number of FPS and RTS games coming up... plus games like viewtiful joe that use it in new ways.
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As for movies... you can use several first/third party movie/mp3 player carts on the DS that you can get from suppliers like lik-sang for around $20 plus postage. These take ordinary flash memory, so you'll easily save the price of them just buying a 512Mb card (vs overpriced memorystick duos).

That means for less than the price of a PSP you could get a DS that plays movies, mp3s and homebrew games AND a 1GB card.
The screen won't be as big, and the graphics not as powerful... but its a trade off as always...

Astrotoy7
04-13-2005, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by toms
The screen won't be as big, and the graphics not as powerful... but its a trade off as always...

that sounds like a bum end of a compromise to me :p Th guys who let me play their psps a few days ago told me that it just depends on what theyre doing, and what game theyre playing. They saod that about 4-5 hours is their max, playing at maxed out settings. The battery cases add an extra 5 or so hours. 10 hours max suits me fine...

DS is like dressin up your grandma in a miniskirt and takin her to a niteclub. You can pretend you're cool and happennin, but at the end of the day, she's just old :p

*laughs at mid 1990s grafix*

mtfbwya

coupes.
04-13-2005, 10:06 AM
Ok to finnish this pointless discussion...

All people who use Nintendo hardware or software, or simply think it might be fun should be lined up against a wall and shot for their stupidity.

There, calse closed. :dozey:

swphreak
04-13-2005, 10:23 AM
Is there a new one in development? I mean, I know there has to be, it's a nintendo handheld, they have to. I just want like a link or something. I still want to go get the GBA remakes of the original games, still my favorite ones out of them all

There is this "Pokemon Dash" game for DS, but it's some crappy pokemon racing game. Gotta wait for Nintendo to make a real Pokemon RPG.

cuz lord knows I want to spend $250 on an mp3 player

For $250, I could get this and buy lunch. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002AZNKA/qid=1113401395/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/002-8541852-3793617?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846)

With the PSP, you'll have to fork out some big bucks for a gig memory stick.

Not to come off like a Sony fanboy(I don't even own a PSP), but just what is so terrible about a 7 hour battery? Personally, unless you plan on flying from Brooklyn, NY, to Tokyo Japan, what could hold you up so bad that you could not find an electrical socket in THIS day and age for 7 hours?

But a 2-3 hour battery life isn't a very portable gaming system. I was travelling for at least 8 hours and did not need to worry about finding an outlet to resume playing my games. Heck, I remember my GameBoy Color lasting for weeks, and that was on AA Batteries. Sorry, but Sony should have worked on their hardware some more.

Dude, I don't even know too many laptops that have that much battery life. Think about it. What is the difference between having your laptop, and gameing on that, or having a PSP? Suddenly, that PSP doesn't seem all that expensive anymore, when stacked against how much I shelled out for a laptop. Seriously, if your going to sit and play the game for 4 - 7 hours streight, you need to take a potty break or something.

There's a reason why laptops can't play games for 5 hours. The hardware needs power to put your DOOM3 graphics on your screen.

DS is like dressin up your grandma in a miniskirt and takin her to a niteclub. You can pretend you're cool and happennin, but at the end of the day, she's just old

*laughs at mid 1990s grafix*

And the PSP is the crackwhore full of VDs you're taking to the high school prom. Don't forget your rubber.

Gameplay > Graphics

Ok to finnish this pointless discussion...

All people who use Nintendo hardware or software, or simply think it might be fun should be lined up against a wall and shot for their stupidity.

Thank you for your contribution.

From IRC chat room
<StarWarsPhreak> !topic Silly rabbit, Nintendo is for kids!
* ChanServ changes topic to 'Silly rabbit, Nintendo is for kids!'

[Edit]For the record, I am not a "Nintendo fanboy." I own all freakin' three of the consoles. Any comments about me being a fanboy will result in your destruction.

toms
04-13-2005, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak
And the PSP is the crackwhore full of VDs you're taking to the high school prom. Don't forget your rubber.

Nah, its more like the snobbish rich girl in all those teen movies:

When the geeky lead guy finally gets to spend an evening with her it costs him a fortune, isn't as much fun as he thought and he realises he has been in-love with the homely-but-beautiful-underneath-girl-next-door all along. :D

PS2 has worse graphics than xbox and gamecube... but still sells loads of games. And nintendo handhelds have NEVER focused on graphics, but always been very popular.

I still think its a trade off:
- amazing graphics but twice the cost and half the battery
- average graphics but half the cost and twice the battery

I'll wait and see what games come out and if prices drop... then i'll probably get a DS, a movie player addon and a 1GB card. Unless the games totally suck or the PSP does something cool.

swphreak
04-13-2005, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by toms
Nah, its more like the snobbish rich girl in all those teen movies.
When the geeky lead guy finally gets to spend an evening with her it costs him a fortune

Sounds the same to me. ;)

pssst check your PMs.

Darth Groovy
04-13-2005, 01:38 PM
EVERYONE QUIET!

I am the one who started this thread, which means I am the alpha and omega of what transpires here.

ALL I mentioned is what staff and management of Gamestop told me, which was SEVERAL kids traded in the DS the same week the PSP came out. As of now, we are completely out of stock on PSP systems, and I have a whole back room full of DS systems, new and used.

As with ANY platform, ULTIMATELY, it is all about what games you are into. It's MAINLY the games that sell ANY platform. Why would I pass on a PS2, and pick up an XBOX? Games like Riddick, Doom 3, The Halo series, and Ninja Gaiden.

Since both mods and regular members have resorted to flametory bursts, I am shutting this thread down for good, no second chances. I'm quite dissapointed in the direction this thread went in. It is worse than a Star Trek VS Star Wars thread.

Both mods and regular members should be ashamed of themselves. I'm not kidding either.