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VSTM
05-08-2005, 06:25 AM
I know this is useless speculation, but I was thinking that some of you, members of this forum, were quite good at figuring out the anagram about the double fine store, so maybe you have some more educated guesses than I have.

I'm thinking that, even though there would be untold dancing and rejoicing on my behalf, Sam and Max 2 is out of the question. I could be wrong, but if anyone will be allowed to complete it, I would think Telltale Games would be, and that doesn't look like any sort of outcome in the foreseeable future. I think it's prudent to not even mention Lucas Arts.

My guess is that, considering Tim Schafer's track record - Motorcycles, Mexican Folk Lore, and then Psychic summer camp - there is no telling. He might make a sequel, but my best guess is that it will probably be an original title. Even if it there was a sequel I doubt it would be Psychonauts..I mean, I would think they would release a different title first, even if a sequel to pyschonauts was on the horizon. Since I haven't heard anything about a deal with Lucas Arts(who cares about prudence), I'm guessing it's a totally new original title; something at least equally as original and different as all the other titles.

So, I doubt any of us will have any idea until the press release but considering the lack of news and everything, I'm guessing they are either working hard at getting the production under way or they are just keeping quiet until the big anouncement. But it's still fun to speculate.

The multiplayer game programmer hiring thing is kind of a give away. Psychonauts online maybe? An mmorpg? I don't think it's really Tim Schafer's style, but then again, the best style has no definitions.

Maybe it will be a game based on the Da Vinci Code, or maybe an Art Pony?

Man, I'm tired. I'm linking this (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148642) recent post because it's related, and sort of asks the same question.

AgentJess
05-08-2005, 11:21 AM
I personally want a Psychonauts sequel; I wanna see what happens with Lili's dad being kidnapped. I really hope he eventually does a sequel for it.

SerialFreak
05-08-2005, 04:57 PM
But that's like if there was a Grim sequel we wouldn't have Psychonauts. I guess Psychonauts leaves itself more open to a sequel, though. :D

VSTM
05-08-2005, 05:20 PM
I haven't finished it. I have 3 more heads to fight.

Plankhead
05-08-2005, 09:00 PM
If Psychonauts does well, Majesco is going to push for a sequel. I might like to see what happens when Raz is a little bit older; puberty might do strange things to psychics.

But if Double Fine hired a multiplayer programmer, then maybe they could a Psychonauts multiplayer FPS called CounterPsych.

JofaGuht
05-10-2005, 09:59 PM
I'm not sure, but I have feeling he might continue with platformers. Or maybe they'll just only make Star Wars games from now on.

VSTM
05-10-2005, 10:13 PM
My guess is that a psychonauts sequel would involve new characters with the kids at camp being counselors or secret agents or something. Might not even take place at the camp...or maybe it would only breifly visit the locations in the first Psychonauts.

At first I thought maybe they were looking for an online network game programmer to add multiplayer to psychonauts...maybe like ID software added multiplayer to Quake 2 in a point release shortly after the game was released. That doesn't make sense for console games though. Or maybe the way Running With Scissors added multiplayer to Postal 2 ;they released a whole new game about a year later and owners of the old game got a big discount. That doesn't say anything about the next game though, really. I can't imagine what multiplayer psychonauts would be like, either.

AgentJess
05-10-2005, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Plankhead
If Psychonauts does well, Majesco is going to push for a sequel. I might like to see what happens when Raz is a little bit older; puberty might do strange things to psychics.


XD That's a funny thought. "Teen-psychic angst in PSYCHONAUTS TWO!" But then there might be Lili fanboys, then the world would violently implode...

Veavitdpoh
05-11-2005, 12:46 PM
I don't think there'll be a Psychonauts sequel. We haven't seen sequels for anything else Tim Schafer has done - the ending was a cinematic device rather than a declaration of intention, I think. Still: with nothing better to do at work, I was putting some skull time into a Psychonauts sequel...
Oh noes! The director of Psychonauts - and Lili's dad - has been kidnapped! Agents to teh rescue! Only when they get to the high-tech PNHQ... no he hasn't?! The director's right where he's always been and everything seems just fine. The game starts on a bit of an awkward note as our putative heroes mill around trying to figure out what happened to the emergency recall message they received.

The PNHQ has an anti-psi field set up as a security measure, with your specific clearance level allowing you to bypass its effects. Raz, as a raw cadet, has no clearance - that's right, the field suppresses all your powers for the time being. *grins* Hey, gotta explain it somehow. The adults all disappear into higher-security areas, and with nothing better to do, it falls to Raz to try and improve his clearance somehow. Thus begins exploration of PNHQ, which is like a cross between Black Mesa, the Fortress of Solitude, and the Ivy League University of your choice. Advanced courses for cadet training are held for remotely-projecting agents, which means one of the first powers you obtain will be clairvoyance/telepathy/psychometry - this'll get used enough this time that it'll have its own shoulder button (or tab key for us PC users), allowing you to switch between normal vision and astral perception on the fly.

And there's plenty to see. The PNHQ is laced with riddles and conundrums to be solved, the usual personal issues to be sorted out - I demand a D&D-obsessed technician with orcish censors - and not just human, but mechanical as well. Remember the rail system from the original? Well, that was just Ford's personal transportation. Genuine Personality Prototypes are all over the place, and getting clearance to some areas is going to require tapping into the mentality of the security system itself. And for those of you that - like me - feel Raz's original outfit beats the hell out of his French Artiste getup, while projecting like this his self-image retains the infamous goggles 'n' helmet. The psi powers get a boost with expanded functionality (the levitation power, for instance, allows you to alter your personal gravity and walk on walls/ceilings) and possibly combos (shield + psiblast = an area effect that shoves away enemies, disorienting any immobile ones).

As the plot thickens, you get to interact with many of the adults from the original, as well as a new gang of idiots and a few ranking cadets (including a conflicting love interest for Lili, let's get that love triangle shiznit going), resolving not just personality issues but personal issues as well. Finally, it is discovered that Daddy indeed was kidnapped... by himself! The director turns out to have quite a Jekyll & Hyde complex going, and by the time it is discovered, he's locked down the facility. Many adventurous hijinks ensue, and ultimately Raz uncovers the true villain behind this disruptive influence - the core computer for DNHQ itself, which has developed a strong enough personality to take over completely. Diving deep into Ultraviolet security and leaping between physical and astral worlds, Raz ends up trying to unplug their own personal Shodan, which causes it to use Lili as the penny in the mental circuit breaker, which gives Lili the power to fight Shodan on the inside and help guide Raz to the CPU itself, which... well, you get the idea.

Anyway, it would be cool, and I bet we'd all love to see more of this merry gang of misfits, but I don't think Double Fine had any interest in creating a license. They wanted to create a compelling first game, and that they did.

KnifeFace
05-11-2005, 06:43 PM
The true question is, will Doublefine continue to exist or not. I just read on the teamxbox forum (don't know if this is true or not), but Psychonauts apparently only sold 30.000 units for the xbox so far :/

JofaGuht
05-11-2005, 06:49 PM
Dude, 30,000 sounds pretty freakin' reasonable. Doublefine will stay around.

AgentJess
05-13-2005, 11:37 PM
Double Fine will be around for a while. I've seen no evidence of otherwise, personally. ^_^ So I'm not too worried about them disspearing. Besides, from the sound of it Tim worked hard to keep the company together. Why stop after all that work and one game?

doremi210
05-14-2005, 12:34 AM
It's been almost a month hasn't it? 30,000 is uhh... well not blockbuster. Any idea what kind of numbers Majesco was expecting?

MrManager
05-14-2005, 12:54 AM
Not that I know how well or badly the game is doing, but I think I think I'd take the number with a grain of salt if it was from a message board.

SerialFreak
05-14-2005, 04:35 AM
I thought I read at mixnmojo or something that it was in EBgames Top 10 game list?

VSTM
05-14-2005, 05:27 AM
It was on the top 10 ebgames seller list.

Found this quote from an interview tih tim on http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/psychonauts-tim-schafer.htm

Most of the projects you’ve worked on have been “one-off” games without any sequels. Would you want Psychonauts to turn into a franchise? Are derivative sequels bad for the industry?

Kind of a leading question don’t you think? Are derivative sequels bad for the industry? I’m not sure, I mean is toxic candy bad for kids? Is carcinogenic pollution bad for the environment? (And strangely, the answer to all those questions is still, “Depends how much money it makes.”)

JofaGuht
05-14-2005, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by doremi210
30,000 is uhh... well not blockbuster.

KnifeFace says only 30,000 units for the xbox. Let's not forget it's also on two other platforms, and I have a feeling PC version will probably be the most popular.

SloppyJimbo
05-14-2005, 03:04 PM
Veavitdpoh, your idea is incredible. If only it was true.

I'd really like a Psychonauts sequal, but the chances don't seem too bright.

guybrushthedwar
05-14-2005, 04:41 PM
Anyone knows how we can know the number of copy of Psychonauts were sold ?

sjack
05-14-2005, 06:39 PM
I just hope Tim keeps making games. I play sports games once in a while, but other than that I wouldn't play any if Tim never made a game again, unless LucasArts decided to make another graphic adventure...

If he made a Psychonauts sequel I'm sure it would be fresh and it would expand and even improve on the original. A brand new adventure from the mind of Tim would be great, but I'd take a Psychonauts sequel in a couple of years over a brand new adventure in 7 years.

Just keep working Tim...

Jarren Katarn
08-01-2005, 10:32 PM
Psychonauts 2! Psychonauts 2! Psychonauts 2! PSYCHONAUTS freakin' TWO!!!

Dinglekins
08-12-2005, 03:25 AM
Dogen's Day Off, a Psychonauts spin-off.

Joshi
08-12-2005, 02:44 PM
If they made a sequel and went with the trend of "Another game means more playable characters", I'd so want to see Dart introduced.

Udvarnoky
08-12-2005, 03:52 PM
Don't know how many of you remember this (http://www.penny-arcade.com/news.php?date=2003-05-05), but if you haven't read the Schafer part.

He talked about how it's all well and good to take three years making a game, but that he would like to leverage the artistic and development talents of a full studio to make episodic games no more than perhaps four hours in length at smaller intervals.

Since this is from 2003, it means Tim wanted DF's next games to small before Psychonauts was released and flopped. Ron Gilbert's been talking about short adventure games for some time, Telltale is doing just that, and Tim takes to the idea as well, apparently. Great minds think alike?

Smon
08-14-2005, 03:00 AM
I think two small up-and-comer developers should come together to make something completely oddball. I believe Double Fine should make something with the Behemoth(Alien Hominid). I'd love to see Schafer's writing and creativity mixed with Fulp's gaming and Paladin's art.

sjack
08-14-2005, 01:20 PM
Since this is from 2003, it means Tim wanted DF's next games to small before Psychonauts was released and flopped.

So has Psychonaut's flopped? I haven't heard much about the success or lack thereof of the game...

MrManager
08-14-2005, 04:44 PM
It might be too early to call it a flop, but it hasn't sold well. There's always the chance that it will be a sleeper, like Grim Fandango, though that won't be enough to save a publicly traded company like Majesco's face. Apparently they're being sued by some stock holders over Psychonauts and Advent Rising's lack of success.

Udvarnoky
08-14-2005, 05:00 PM
Even if it has long-term success like Grim, it's already a flop in the eyes of Majesco and certainly its shareholders. Early figures are really the only ones that matter, and they were horrid. I mean, it's already secured itself in history as a significant reason for Majesco's financial downfall. There is still the good possibility of it being a consistent seller, and I'm still praying for the success of its international release (which I hope Majesco won't minimize the launch of), but I'd say from a corporate standpoint it's a flop even if it does turn a profit somewhere down the road. Unfair and a damned shame, but yeah.

Thrik
08-14-2005, 05:44 PM
I'm surprised there isn't more anger expressed over the fairly terrible job Majesco did of actually launching it. Maybe I'm being unfair in saying that, maybe it was just down to the retailers not putting a huge effort in on their end due to Psychonauts being a fairly small title. But, my perception is that Majesco launched the game in an extremely clumsy fashion, they didn't market the game well at all (millions of dollars is nothing if it's not used well), and generally failed to make a dent in the wall of people's awareness. Does anyone really disagree with me in saying that they could have gone around this a whole lot better? :¬:

Udvarnoky
08-14-2005, 06:21 PM
Definitely. They ****ed up, no two ways about it. And yet, I feel really bad for them because they took a big gamble on a great game, and this happens. The company that put a lot behind a really creative game they picked up has ultimately taken a huge beating and given publishers yet another reason not to fund original titles.

But yes, I feel even worse for Double Fine and the fact that a truly amazing game has been screwed. No one bought it. I think much of the blame can be aimed on Majesco's less than stellar advertising campaign, the apparent idiocy of most game retailers when it comes to distribution, and the overall stupidity of the general gaming public.

Smon
08-14-2005, 06:49 PM
They just need to get the word out, I've seen maybe two ads on TV. They need better advertising. Then again Katamari Damaci had practically no ads but it sold well, so maybe PsychoNauts will sell well outside America, well enough to pull DF outta trouble.

Gruducuuz
08-14-2005, 08:04 PM
Going back to the subject of multiplayer.

The only way I see it happening is with some kind of Co-op.

Althoug a Psychonauts MMORPG sounds fun...

sjack
08-14-2005, 11:05 PM
That's really unfortunate. Does anyone have a clue about what Double Fine is planning now? They must be in a difficult situation. I really hope somehow Shafer is able to keep making games that are true to his vision. I'm going to look on the bright side and hope he returns to his roots with a true graphic adventure.

MrManager
08-15-2005, 12:45 AM
While I don't know what he's up to, I doubt it'll be anything like a classic graphic adventure at least.

VSTM
08-15-2005, 03:10 AM
I think Advent Rising did much worse than Psychonauts. I think a lot of the problem was that Majesco spent ridiculous amounts of money on those "win a million dollars" advertising. I mean, people buy carbonated beverages because they want a chance to win a million dollars. They don't buy games for that reason. More importantly, that million dollars didn't really go to getting the word out about that game. I mean, maybe some people told some other people about it, but it's not like a top commercial spot.
They should have had their ads in more gaming magazines and used the more traditional advertising that other game companies use. Sales might have even suffered from not being on the gamecube(as far fetched as that seems), because the zelda crowd might have enjoyed it more than say..the halo crowd.

Didn't the ceo get fired or something because of the lackluster sales of advent rising and psychonauts?

Anyway, I think Majesco will live because they sell tons of those crappy kids GBA videos. I think Double Fine will live because...well, they're hiring people, which is a good sign, I think. Also, I think they went through worse before. Maybe I'm just too hopeful and I don't see the dreary reality, but I think everything will be ok.

Back to the subject:
Doublefine.com has had some interesting posts lately. i've been wondering if any of them are coded messages. Like the panda and the sea monkeys...What's up with that?

MrManager
08-15-2005, 09:16 AM
I think he's just talking about the pandas that were recently born at the San Diego and DC zoo. ¬

Smon
08-16-2005, 12:38 PM
Yeah. screw those pandas! He had seamonkies! But there may be SOME secret thing in the double fine website... I've benn suspicious since finding this with google: http://www.psychonauts.com/milkman.htm

Purple Squid
08-21-2005, 09:50 PM
Cologne. Tim scented cologne. =<

VSTM
08-22-2005, 08:46 PM
Sea Monkeys are actually Brine Shrimp. You can feed them to baby fish.

Still...Monkey Island...Sea Monkeys...just seems kind of suspcious. I mean, I'm not saying that I think for a second that schafe is doing MI5. I'm just saying it's a little odd.

Hey maybe LA is getting ready to sell of all their original licenses for low-low prices and we're all about to have fairy dusted good game orgy extravaganzas rain(or maybe reign...) down up us. HAHAHAHAHA...oh, that's not funny. I'm sorry.

*grumble*grumble*

AgentArcana
08-22-2005, 11:19 PM
wow, that milk pic is kinda creepy.

Rubacava
08-22-2005, 11:44 PM
I think the milk picture is awesome. *saves*

meheeners
09-06-2005, 08:12 PM
I would really like to see a Psychonauts prequel, maybe a game that follows Ford Cruller's life or something of the sort. You can't have enough Agent Cruller after all. I was really sad that I couldn't go into his mind.

Smon
09-07-2005, 06:58 PM
Yeah his mind would be like a long disjointed hallway, and each door leads to one of his outher personalities, and you had to find the keys to seal off each one except the PsychoNauts one. THAT would be interesting...

Edit:I just read that Tim has a town in Animal Crossing called PinkyToe!!!! FREAKIN' AWESOME!

Purple Squid
09-07-2005, 07:13 PM
Yup. And he drinks rice milk. Me too. Good stuff... cheerioios aren't so yummy, though.

VSTM
05-27-2006, 04:19 AM
I'm bringing this thread back because of recent Doublefine news posts.

Specifically this one: http://www.doublefine.com/news.htm#26May2006

I downloaded the image and it's pretty low-res low-quality. I used my mediocre(and pretty pathetic really) photoshop skills to try to clean the image up, but it didn't really help. I couldn't make out any of the text on the screen or anywhere else except on the book. I tried to look for any hidden objects around the screen, but couldn't really find any. Some of the papers look like kind of like bank statements.
The kitten sure is cute.

I gave up on trying to clean it up with photoshop or decipher anything, and instead rotated the image 180 degrees so I could read the title of the book.

After looking on Amazon for "Curiosities" which is the only whole word that can be seen on the book, I found it. It's the "Cabinet of Natural Curiosities" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/3822847941/qid=1148710915/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/002-7986912-4372856?s=books&v=glance&n=283155). The Amazon book description is as follows:

Albertus Seba’s Cabinet of Natural Curiosities is one of the 18th century’s greatest natural history achievements and remains one of the most prized natural history books of all time.Though it was common for men of his profession to collect natural specimens for research purposes, Amsterdambased pharmacist Albertus Seba (1665–1736) had a passion that led him far beyond the call of duty. His amazing, unprecedented collection of animals, plants and insects from all around the world gained international fame during his lifetime. In 1731, after decades of collecting, Seba commissioned illustrations of each and every specimen and arranged the publication of a four-volume catalog detailing his entire collection—from strange and exotic plants to snakes, frogs, crocodiles, shellfish, corals, insects, butterflies and more, as well as fantastic beasts, such as a hydra and a dragon. Seba’s scenic illustrations, often mixing plants and animals in a single plate, were unusual even for the time. Many of the stranger and more peculiar creatures from Seba’s collection, some of which are now extinct, were as curious to those in Seba’s day as they are to us now.

This reproduction is taken from a rare, hand-colored original. The introduction offers background information about the fascinating tradition of the cabinet of curiosities to which Seba’s curiosities belonged.

This isn't really a book that lies around on anyone's computer desks. I couldn't find it in my local libraries.

I don't know if that was the secret, but it's definately interesting. I'm not sure what that would tell us either. Maybe the game will have weird animals? I read in an interview once that he thought about making a strategy game once, and I read in another interview where he said this next game will be like nothing he made before, so maybe it will be a strategy game with weird animals?

Then again, maybe the book was a present or some light reading(though I think it's more a collection of pictures).

Well, if that's the clue, then I'm guessing it has animals in it, or characters that are modelled after animals.

Smon
05-27-2006, 12:12 PM
...I'd like to bring my talking cow game idea back to the table.

DarthAve
05-27-2006, 03:14 PM
This is probaby the dumbest thing you've ever heard. But I tried to bring up the pic on MS Paint and use that close up thing(It's slipped my mind right now) to read the typed stuff on his computer.

I know, stupid Darth. It'll come out all pixely which it did.

KingCheez
05-27-2006, 06:07 PM
...I'd like to bring my talking cow game idea back to the table.

I'd like to wipe it RIGHT OFF THE TABLE, and bring my schizophrenic ostrich idea back.

Psychochaos3
05-27-2006, 10:15 PM
It's unlikely that doublefine will make anyhting else after the undeserved poor sales of Psychonauts. Psychonauts was an awesome game but for some reason it got poor sales and its major publisher majesco was led to a horrible stock market demise.

Psychonauts, an awesome game, but for some reason nearly nobody got it.

VSTM
05-27-2006, 10:32 PM
It's unlikely that doublefine will make anyhting else after the undeserved poor sales of Psychonauts. Psychonauts was an awesome game but for some reason it got poor sales and its major publisher majesco was led to a horrible stock market demise.

Psychonauts, an awesome game, but for some reason nearly nobody got it.

I think you are confused. They're already making another game. There is no doubt about that. Besides, as far as I know, the game has been selling well in Europe.

Thrik
05-28-2006, 08:56 AM
Yes. Another game being in development has been common knowledge for ages, as has the fact that it won't be a sequel to Psychonauts.

Although Majesco isn't likely to be publishing it, there are other publishers out there who may be willing to give Double Fine a chance now that they've gotten at least one game out the door. Granted, it may not have sold well globally, but it does at least stand as evidence that Double Fine can follow through with a game as a studio. That's what a publisher wants to see before signing contracts.

VSTM
05-28-2006, 05:04 PM
True. This game is likely not to take as long to develop either, because the team is used to working with itself. Unless, of course, the game is more ambitious, but it still might not take as long.

Does anyone with some sense have any ideas about what the game could be?

or at least what the clue (http://www.doublefine.com/news.htm#26May2006) could be

DarthAve
05-28-2006, 05:33 PM
Maybe this game involves cats.

~ponders~

Fawfulfury777
05-28-2006, 06:14 PM
I personally think the thing about the pineapple upside-down cake could be seen as a metaphor, in which the actual cake represents the ideas which have already been used for games, and the crumbs represent the innovative and otherwise unheard of ideas visited by double fine's development team

KingCheez
05-28-2006, 08:04 PM
Deep.

Fawfulfury777
05-28-2006, 10:30 PM
My Hypothesis is that the cat, the book, and the comp are all related. I would judge that perhaps the game is related to some of Albertus Seba's research regarding animals. Snakes may play a key part in the development of the game, and it would make sense that the connection between small animals (like cats :>) would take place. Once again, we see the relevance of prominent events in Tim's life (Such as both anthropology and psychology classes) to what his games feature. However it seems as though despite the fact that the Word Doc may indeed have real connections to the project, Tim is content for now to use it as merely a decoy, or a distraction from the book in the background, which shows the same deception we've seen from him in past posts. (Esp. Psychonauts related ones) Thus from the above assumptions, we can infer that:

1. The game will feature animals (Snakes, Birds, Mammals to a small extent, Insects, Frogs, and Mollusks).

2. The game is influenced by a class (Biology), or personal event (Wedding, Cat, Sea Monkeys, Animal Crossing).

3. Finally, the game does have something to do with the word doc, and Tim will most Probably unveil the secret on Tuesday, in his trademark humorous fashion.

In the mean time, I will enlist the help of my close friend, SN: PsychoWardJester, to decipher the context of the message with his Ace Photoshop Skills! Thank You, and good night. :)

DarthAve
05-28-2006, 11:15 PM
We are not worthy ~bow~ We are not worthy ~bow~....

VSTM
05-29-2006, 02:13 AM
Finally.

I'm not sure we will actually be able to get much from the word document without one of those(what my art teacher used to complain about) "magic computers" from the crime investigation shows that can take a badly encoded black and white 160 resolution security camera footage and zoom in on a ring on someone's picture to see what the inscription is. Maybe though. it could be worse. In my experiments with teh photo I sometimes found what I thought might be real words.

I imagine the gameplay for the game will be based on preestablished genres of gamplay like real time strategy or platforming adventure or something like that.

If Fawfulfury777's assumptions are correct, what kind of gamplay could fit? What kind of world?

Some kind of kitten survival of the fittest that combines elements of adventure, platform, and strategy? That sure is a cute kitten.

Maybe someone who's actually taken anthropology, biology, or psychology might have some kind of idea. My friend is taking biochem, but I don't think that counts. However, no two classes are really alike so the experience could be different even if it's the same field.

I will probably try to find the "Cabinet of Natural Curiosities" in my local book stores and I might see if I can get it on interlibrarly loan from my local library. My girlfriend works there as a librarian's aid.

There is always also a possiblity that the hilarious future tuesday post will contain something similar to "Just kidding, there was no secret! I hope you enjoyed the kitten. His name is snuggles."

Smon
05-29-2006, 02:19 AM
Finally.

I'm not sure we will actually be able to get much from the word document without one of those(what my art teacher used to complain about) "magic computers" from the crime investigation shows that can take a badly encoded black and white 160 resolution security camera footage and zoom in on a ring on someone's picture to see what the inscription is. Maybe though. it could be worse. In my experiments with teh photo I sometimes found what I thought might be real words.

How is it that I still have a topical comic for this?!
http://biggercheese.com/comics/0360.png

VSTM
05-29-2006, 02:20 AM
I might be able to pickout some text that says "Double Fine's new game" now that I take another look....

Actually, that might be all it says repeated throughout the whole text. :/

Or maybe that and another sentence. Something like "Double Fine's new game will be totally awesome" I could be completely wrong.

pyrohappygirl
05-29-2006, 06:01 AM
I'll try to decipher the picture myself. I'm good at reading blurred text, and I rock at paint. I shall report back soon.

Fawfulfury777
05-29-2006, 10:32 AM
First, I'd like to say THX for your help, Pyro, we need all the support we can get!

The game will most probably take place in... perhaps a full-on wildlife setting, most likely South America (where it is stated that Seba did the majority of his research), Africa, or Australia. It would make sense that after so long focusing on Europe and its reception of Psychonauts, Tim has decided to focus on a different continent as the subject matter for his new game.

As for the format of the game, I would presume either an RPG (More Likely) or maybe Action/Adventure (Perhaps along the lines of Legend Of Zelda). I do admit that Tim once said he was planning on a RTS in an early Grim Fandango Blog, but that was merely a shoutout to his minor addiction to Warcraft III. In yet another interview, he said that while he had once thought that all RPG's were boring, he had finally gotten around to playing (big surprise here...) Final Fantasy VII. He was swept away by the massive, sweeping storyline, and the deep character development. He then stated that, because he played the game he found out that not matter what genre, a game can still be bad or good, depending on the skill of the development team, the story, and the gameplay. I think he also hinted at perhaps someday working on an RPG.

Finally, I'd like to say that the most probable animal feature in the game will be snakes, due to the obsession of seba, along with most other cabinet owners, with these peculiar limbless wonders. The majority of the cabinet (No, I don't own a copy),
as well as an entire volume of his later work, the Thesaurus (Animals, not words) is filled with snakes. However, I cannot stress highly enough that this is merely speculation, and that we may all be very wrong. Yet, I doubt that Tim would lie to his public over something so mercilessly hidden as the new game, or that there isn't some clue hidden amongst the picture, even if it fails to be seen.

Viva La Pineapple!

DarthAve
05-29-2006, 10:48 AM
ZOMG!! If you are correct fawful

DOUBLEFINE COULD BE MAKING A 'SNAKES ON A PLANE' GAME!!!

Psychochaos3
05-29-2006, 04:32 PM
ZOMG!! If you are correct fawful

DOUBLEFINE COULD BE MAKING A 'SNAKES ON A PLANE' GAME!!!
It be awesome if I could play as a snake.

itchythesamurai
05-29-2006, 05:01 PM
What's wrong with you? Who would rather play as a snake than Samuel L. Jackson?! Maybe it could have an intense multiplayer mode where like a whole buncha people play as snakes and one guy gets to kick much reptilian ass as Sam Jackson.

DarthAve
05-29-2006, 05:26 PM
Yeah, we should e-mail DF and ask if it's Snakes on a Plane that they're making. A lot of movies nowadays have videogames to go with them.

Fawfulfury777
05-29-2006, 05:51 PM
I HIGHLY DOUBT IT... HIGHLY.

A. SoaP is licensed so, of course, Tim would not push for it.

B. As A promoter of innovative properties, DF is not going to be THAT Predictable

C. Although Seba was deeply intrigued by snakes, he was not intrigued by planes. You're looking for the wright brothers.

Finally, I cannot state clearly enough we may be wrong. We may ALL be wrong.

It was six men of Hindustan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind)
That each by observation
Might satisfy the mind.


The first approached the Elephant
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side
At once began to bawl:
"Bless me, it seems the Elephant
Is very like a wall".


The second, feeling of his tusk,
Cried, "Ho! What have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear".


The third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Then boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake."


The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he;
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"


The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"


The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"


And so these men of Hindustan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right
And all were in the wrong.


So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!

VSTM
05-29-2006, 06:18 PM
I'll try to decipher the picture myself. I'm good at reading blurred text, and I rock at paint. I shall report back soon.
Photoshop or The Gimp(which is free) or gimpshop(a fork of The Gimp that makes it look like photoshop) might yield better results. MS Paint is a bit limited.

It's also possible that the Cabinet of Natural Curiosities is just a source of inspiration for character designs. For example, the game could contain a lot of Chinese Dragons or Sea Serpents, because they were much like snakes.

Smon
05-29-2006, 06:28 PM
Photoshop or The Gimp(which is free) or gimpshop(a fork of The Gimp that makes it look like photoshop) might yield better results. MS Paint is a bit limited.

It's also possible that the Cabinet of Natural Curiosities is just a source of inspiration for character designs. For example, the game could contain a lot of Chinese Dragons or Sea Serpents, because they were much like snakes.
Hm... seeing as this is the man behind Monkey Island and Grim Fandango, Chinese culture seems right up his alley.

DarthAve
05-29-2006, 07:04 PM
~whisper~ Psst, Smon. I think that one noob is trying to outsmart you. What if you lose your title vocabular??

Smon
05-29-2006, 07:07 PM
~whisper~ Psst, Smon. I think that one noob is trying to outsmart you. What if you lose your title vocabular??
Impossible! not as long as I wear this magic V around my neck!

DarthAve
05-29-2006, 07:14 PM
Still. He's saying way more witty things than you. If you slip up once, you're probably gonna be out of that V.

Fawfulfury777
05-29-2006, 07:29 PM
Whilst I detest the term noob, I still feel as though their is a certain air of seniority regarding Smon. Do not feel threatened though, by my prescence. I am merely a student of the Universe, content to wander my simple path, basking in the calm revelry of nature and life. I do not intend to encroach on the titles of others who were here before me, and I have much to learn and far to travel before I reach the rank of vocabular. As the saying goes, "The Journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step"

Smon
05-29-2006, 07:34 PM
I do not intend to encroach on the titles of others who were here before me, and I have much to learn and far to travel before I reach the rank of vocabular.
Vocabulor!
*runs away laughing*

Fawfulfury777
05-29-2006, 08:16 PM
~whisper~ Psst, Smon. I think that one noob is trying to outsmart you. What if you lose your title vocabular??

As you can see, my mistake was not solitary in its occurance, and can, in fact, be traced to the harsh truth that "vocabulor" is not a real word, but instead, a brilliant neologism, which although ingenious may be confused with the nearly as common suffix "-ar", unless we use a sort of mnemonic device to refer it to the Psychonauts-related "Goggalor". As you can see, the mistake could be made by anyone, including one with a higher post count than yourself, so next time, Smon, adhere to the number one rule of a forum, as well as the rest of life... Think before you act.

Laugh you may, but while I will have forgotten this and be sober in the morning, you Ma'am, shall be ugly for the rest of your life!
-Winston Churchill drunk at a party

Smon
05-29-2006, 08:23 PM
FEH!

*melts*

VSTM
05-29-2006, 10:31 PM
More doublefine, less personal rants.

pyrohappygirl
05-30-2006, 01:46 AM
I think I've made out some of the words... I think I saw Psychonauts in there somewhere, but I shall continue searching. Also, I think I should investigate other objects on the desk further. I'm quite good at figuring things out. And I love theorising. More tomorrow, or later today, depending on the results.
From Pyro.

DarthAve
05-30-2006, 07:05 AM
As you can see, my mistake was not solitary in its occurance, and can, in fact, be traced to the harsh truth that "vocabulor" is not a real word, but instead, a brilliant neologism, which although ingenious may be confused with the nearly as common suffix "-ar", unless we use a sort of mnemonic device to refer it to the Psychonauts-related "Goggalor". As you can see, the mistake could be made by anyone, including one with a higher post count than yourself, so next time, Smon, adhere to the number one rule of a forum, as well as the rest of life... Think before you act.

Laugh you may, but while I will have forgotten this and be sober in the morning, you Ma'am, shall be ugly for the rest of your life!
-Winston Churchill drunk at a party
You're really trying to outbug Zelda, arn't you? Cause so far, you're begging for a crazy loopy talking to.

Gruducuuz
05-30-2006, 06:13 PM
Whilst I detest the term noob, I still feel as though their is a certain air of seniority regarding Smon. Do not feel threatened though, by my prescence. I am merely a student of the Universe, content to wander my simple path, basking in the calm revelry of nature and life. I do not intend to encroach on the titles of others who were here before me, and I have much to learn and far to travel before I reach the rank of vocabular. As the saying goes, "The Journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step"


Hey man, no offence, but if you hadn't noticed, there aren't that many people here. So uh, you might want to consider re-registering without the 777 on your name, because it makes it look like you only know about the internet from AIM.

DarthAve
05-30-2006, 08:51 PM
Hey man, no offence, but if you hadn't noticed, there aren't that many people here. So uh, you might want to consider re-registering without the 777 on your name, because it makes it look like you only know about the internet from AIM.
...........pwned?

What do the judges say?

But whatever doublefine makes, if it doesn't have a $50 price tag, I'll consider buying it.

KingCheez
05-30-2006, 09:25 PM
I see pwned clear across the boards.

Um Fawfulfury, trying to act so smart is annoying. I'm not just saying that because I can't catch up and I'm a moron, no.

DarthAve
05-30-2006, 09:44 PM
I must agree with my homie Cheez. You're making me feel more stupid(I'd bet you'd think I'd say stupider, but you can't fool me. I am smrt.)

Also, Doublefine should announce their new game soon, I'm getting testy.

VSTM
05-31-2006, 02:19 AM
Hey man, no offence, but if you hadn't noticed, there aren't that many people here. So uh, you might want to consider re-registering without the 777 on your name, because it makes it look like you only know about the internet from AIM.

777 is probably a christian thing.

As the creator of this thread, I really wish people would quit talking about themselves or other forum members, and start talking about doublefine's next game.

VSTM
05-31-2006, 02:31 AM
I checked out the Cabinet of Natural Curiosities today and there were a lot of plants and animals and insects in it. I quickly flipped through all 550 of it's pages in the book store. The $65 hard back copies they had were frikkin' enormous too. It felt like I was holding one of those big enormous books you see in magicians shops in movies.

There were a couple sections in the book. One of them was a hodge podge of different, mostly land, animals. There were sloths and monkies and bats and snakes, of course, and lizards and all sorts of animals. Some of them had, what seemed to me, noticeably large sexual anatomy...bats with small boobs and things like that.

Another section was mostly snakes with some prey mixed in there as well as some lizards. The next section was mostly water animals. Some really freaky fish and octopi and water plants as well and a whole lot of shells. Another section was insects with a lot of butterflies and some grasshoppers and what not.

They were all illustrations, and not pictures, and they were all a bit weird looking.

I think that if the book were a clue, it wouldn't be saying much, because there was a large breadth of imagery in the book. That being said, I think that, if it were reference material for the game, a game with snakes or snake like beings, a game with a lot of insects or maybe just butterflies, or a game with a lot of underwater creatues would be likely.

Water covers over 70% of the earth, I think, and water played a pretty big role in Psychonauts, so I think that a game that takes place under water is a real possiblity. There is a lot of different aspects to take on a setting like that.

Or maybe some kind of game with aliens. The Cabinet of Natural curiosities would be a good reference book for some kind of alien designs.

pyrohappygirl
05-31-2006, 02:53 AM
NEW NEWS! The new news is... I have been thinking, and all the evidence people have discovered makes little sense, so why don't we investigate the bills on the desk? Has anyone thought yet that there could be, hidden amongst the bills and papers, something saying "Our new game is called blahdiblah!" It is likely that double fine and tim schafer, in their incredible inginuity, have hidden the message in the last place people would look? Please tell me what you think of this theory, I personally find it a good idea.

VSTM
05-31-2006, 03:35 AM
I don't think the bills really say anything. I mean, if they do it's less legible than the text on the screen. They might say something without words, but I don't know what. I think they could just be scrap paper. I write things down on scrap paper like that. It is a bit odd though, for a picture.

After some careful examination, I think the text might say "Hundreds of secrets about Double Fine's new game." repeated ad nauseam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam).

In fact, I'm fairly certain that's what it says. Print it off, try to find a few words that look like what I'm talking about and fill it in.

I'm sure someone at Double Fine thinks this is hilarious. I'm a little dissapointed, but after the bitter rage wears off, it's a little funny - funny I spent so much time "pixel hunting" at least.

VSTM
05-31-2006, 04:22 AM
You know how when you scroll over the picture, some text pops up? Well, it gets cut off after "adorable adorable pile" but the full text is "What am I doing here when I could be home, playing with that adorable, adorable pile of bills on my desk???"

So, that's kind of interesting about the bills. I hope it's no sign of financial trouble for Double Fine.

This could also mean that it's Tim Schafer's home desk. I'm not sure if that matters or not. I thought it was a little strange to have a tiny kitten on your desk in your office at work, though.

Continuing with the theory that there are clues in the picture, it looks like the cat may be sitting next to a computer mouse. Edit:This may just be for a sense of scale. Could also be a usb hub or something, too.

pyrohappygirl
05-31-2006, 05:15 AM
Hmmm. Intreging. I think that we should do a complete archive of this on something. We need to figure out what facts we have, and some things we have to work with. We also need some good, cheese flavored snacks. Mmm, cheesy. Just joking. About the cheese I mean. Not the list. I'm serious about that. Also, have we thought yet that the whole thing is a code? And that the whole nose thing is a piece of it? Intreging stuff this is...

KingCheez
05-31-2006, 09:52 AM
The cartillage pimple is something most people don't discover unless they have it, like how Psychonauts ended up. People say 'ow sucks' without having to endure the pain on themselves.

I think.

DarthAve
05-31-2006, 03:37 PM
Yeah, everyone at school told me that games sucks. I was all like 'You've never even played it!' and then those genius's with the best some back on earth said '......so? I'd bet it sucks.'

On an unrelated note I figured out how to get psychonauts music from Tim Fandango onto my iPod. I'm jamming to Milla's Dance Party right now.

Psychochaos3
05-31-2006, 05:54 PM
Yeah, everyone at school told me that games sucks. I was all like 'You've never even played it!' and then those genius's with the best some back on earth said '......so? I'd bet it sucks.'


i originally didn't get the game at first because of the weird character designs, but my sister got it for me at Christmas and it turned out to be the best platformer i've ever played, until Sonic The Hedgehog (2006 game) comes out.

VSTM
05-31-2006, 06:25 PM
I'm beginning to feel like the reason why pyschonauts didn't sell as well as it should have is because the people who should have played it, didn't, and the people who did play it were either children or at least somewhat mentally deficient(aside from a select few) - or at least those two groups were the most vocal. So, where word of mouth is usually the best advertising, the word of mouth for Psychonauts actually hurt sales.

DarthAve
05-31-2006, 06:33 PM
Yeah, I'll tell you what would have helped sales.

Hot chicks in Raz costumes giving out demos of the game on the streets of major cities one day

KingCheez
05-31-2006, 07:03 PM
That would make me buy it twice.

And bribe the hot chick for... you know...

chicken wings. I mean, if I was in the middle of a city, I'd be hungry. Or I'd get hungry. Always carry a pocket full of chicken fingers.

Gruducuuz
06-01-2006, 09:15 PM
I'm betting, that the next big thing doublefine will make, will be...

A GAME.

DarthAve
06-01-2006, 09:28 PM
I'm betting, that the next big thing doublefine will make, will be...

A GAME.
O RLY???

VSTM
06-01-2006, 11:43 PM
Human Wastelands, I swear.

DarthAve
06-01-2006, 11:46 PM
~roll eyes~ Noob, you shall learn soon that boards don't stay on topic here. Hardly ever. And when they do, I'd head to a church cause the world may be ending

VSTM
06-01-2006, 11:55 PM
This is the only forum I know of, where discussing doublefine is on topic. Sadly.

DarthAve
06-13-2006, 06:32 PM
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?p=2102828#post2102828

we are idiots. Tim hates us. ~emo sob~

VSTM
06-13-2006, 06:55 PM
omfg, same thread: http://www.lucasforums.com/showpost.php?p=2093996&postcount=87

Maybe I should have started a new thread in this forum.

DarthAve
06-13-2006, 07:00 PM
Yeah, but nobody noticed it here. You blaintly hid it inside yor post. Still

TIM HATES US!!! ~emo~

VSTM
06-13-2006, 11:40 PM
I didn't blatantly hide it, I just didn't go to the trouble to make it obvious. I figured out what it said while I was typing the post, so it was kind of an afterthought.