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TiE23
07-22-2005, 03:43 PM
Longhorn has been revealed: and its now Windows Vista.

Links:
Tons of Pics and Videos (http://www.winsupersite.com/longhorn/)
Microsoft.com (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx)
Video of Announcement (http://www.microsoft.com/winme/0507/25234/Win_Name_MBR.asx)



Well, thats it! Windows in use is all rendered in 3D (though 2D), so stuff can be moved in different ways. I'm still waiting to hear reasons why we should buy them. But from what I've heard a lot of the changes are aesthetic, it looks like they've taken some hints from Mac and made Vista easy on the eyes.

Some pics of course:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/logo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/lh-winhec-04.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/longhorn.jpg

TiE

Lorden Darkblade
07-22-2005, 03:47 PM
Any pics of how it looks so far?
I think I'll wait for some time till most of the bugs are found and corrected then I'll buy it :p :cool:

TiE23
07-22-2005, 04:07 PM
The only thing I'm pissed about is all of this newbie oreinted interface. We know how to configuire stuff, we can figure out how to use new features. I just hope the second we get it the standard thing will be 3 million help pop-ups for the first month of use.

*Pop*
"Hello, this is the Windows Vista Mouse Trainer, this help tool will show you how to use the mouse, an important tool for any computer, safely and effectivly. First off, we want to cover some simple rules:

The mouse is not an animal, do not "free" the mouse from its confines by unplugging the mouse.
The mouse is not edible, do not consume the mouse.
The mouse's buttons are nessicary for normal function, do not remove the buttons.
Do not chew on the wire, serious electric shock and happen.
The flat side of the mouse rests on the mousepad.
The rounded side is the side you hold on to.
The end the cord comes from points away from you.
Move the mouse to move the cursor (pointing thingy).
Stop eating paste and lead paint chips genious.

Now you are ready to use your mouse!

TiE

Samuel Dravis
07-22-2005, 04:48 PM
Well, looks like the only question now is:

Why upgrade? :p

Unless they're hiding something really cool, it's not shaping up to be high on my list.

ET Warrior
07-22-2005, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
Stop eating paste and lead paint chips genious.

Seems to me that you shouldn't have been eating paste and paint chips while they were trying to teach you how to spell genius.....

acdcfanbill
07-22-2005, 05:53 PM
well i dont think i'll be using the next windows OS personally if it has some of the drm features its supossedly touting...

with some of the monitor DRM in longhorn (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/15/155216&tid=109&tid=172&tid=158&tid=155), and the other pallidium stuff they talked about before, MS can uh, suck it...

Alegis
07-22-2005, 06:30 PM
I'm an official longhorn tester now and will get the builds as soon as they're done. Nice to have those contacts


Vista. Bah

Hermie
07-22-2005, 06:32 PM
Penis OS X envy.















*runs away*

El Sitherino
07-22-2005, 07:42 PM
Linux envy.

They have tabs!

TiE23
07-22-2005, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Seems to me that you shouldn't have been eating paste and paint chips while they were trying to teach you how to spell genius..... My mom sez I'm special. :cry6: *Eats big jar of paste*


Originally posted by Samuel Dravis
Well, looks like the only question now is:

Why upgrade? :p

Unless they're hiding something really cool, it's not shaping up to be high on my list. My thoughts exactly. >_>

TiE

RevanA4
07-22-2005, 11:44 PM
:devburn:windows is evil switch to Linux :devburn:

but any who this looks like they are continuing down the path of keeping the world stupid and for those who don't know me I'm and PC specialist so I know what i am talking about:D

this version look as though it is coming out with 3 different versions and none seem to be anything I'd use because there is no professional edition which is what i need to run and the name is ridiculous:disaprove :disaprove how in the world is anybody gonna by it with that name
:indif: ack that means I'm gonna have to learn it :mad:

Astrotoy7
07-23-2005, 12:07 AM
heh...all we need now is a Mac fan to post a pic of the Terminator sayin 'hasta la vista, baby' ...

Im always a sucka for new things. Hope theres a Pro version eventually tho ??

Im not due to update my compy lease til next year so I'll prolly get to use this and whine about it bugs and say how good Xp was :p

mtfbwya

El Sitherino
07-23-2005, 12:10 AM
It's a hell of a lot better name than "longhorn".

RevanA4
07-23-2005, 12:11 AM
:indif: um I stated that the will be no pro or equivalent of longhorn:eek:

TiE23
07-23-2005, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by jedigoku
:devburn:windows is evil switch to Linux :devburn:

but any who this looks like they are continuing down the path of keeping the world stupid and for those who don't know me I'm and PC specialist so I know what i am talking about:D

Now, before I start, this is a post I made against another person on the Garry's Mod Forums. In no way is this directed to you, but this is what I think about "switching." After he posted this:

http://www.pacificnet.net/~tporter/MSSUCKS/mssucks.gif

Originaly posted by Me
Holy ****!! I, who have been using a Windows computer since I was five, am now going decide I am going to throw out my $2000 computer, and my other $700 computer and all of its games, too. (INCLUDING HALF-LIFE 2, A GAME THAT RUNS EXCLUSIVLY ON WINDOWS!!!!) [[[Garry's mod is a HL2 Mod]]] - And I am going to switch to Linux on one computer, start my own website that is all pro-linux and against Windows and Bill Gates and his Nazi Microsoft company!

And then I am going to get a Mac OSX, so I can use PhotoShop 7.0! even though I have been using PhotoShop on my Windows XP computer for over a year now! And those features! Like running games I don't have and don't like! And hell, its got a cooler interface! Did you know it has the Yellow Pages built into the interface? So I don't have to go on the web to look up a place to eat?! **** that! Thats for ****ing Windows yuppies!

And after all of that, I would be happier, trying to get my Creative Zen Micro to work on the ****ing Apple, and finally laughing at all you stupid Bill Gates following **** tards! And tell you to make "The Switch"! Knowing that I just made no difference and seriously gimped my technical expertice. It was worth it!

:D

Link: http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?p=327649#post327649
Some people made some good replies.

And I don't see how it is better making computers much more complicated is better. Think about your mom using Linux after she has been used to Windows (or Mac) for years.

TiE

RevanA4
07-23-2005, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
It's a hell of a lot better name than "longhorn".

yup the gui sux though and it will never be user friendly :dev6:

and its FREE:p

*invokes my famous saying* "Windows exists to keep the world stupid"

and worse yet I have to learn it:eek: do to my profession

but they could have picked a better name any thing is better than longhorn even microsoft fluffybunny is better than that :D

or microsoft fluffypuppie with this on the cover http://torch.cs.dal.ca/~mroger/threadpics/fluffy.jpg
(this was posted in a different thread by prime)

Black Knight of Keno
07-23-2005, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by TiE 23
Think about your mom using Linux after she has been used to Windows (or Mac) for years.

TiE

Well I'll have to disagree with ya'...
I was a devoted Windows user until my bro got Debian and I got to try it. Okay, I tried it, went back to my Windows and quite soon after that was whining for my bro to install Linux(Mostly because I actually had to reinstall Windows five times that month because of various problems). okay, so now I have Debian and I'm trying to decide which interferance should I choose. I took KDE and was absolutely happy with it untill I got my new Pentium II with Windows 98 installed onto it. Meh... Now I have a another drive with Linux on it, but I use Windows because I went and messed something up in the Linux drive... It's not my fault... It just won't boot up >_>

Meh... Linux rocks...

edlib
07-23-2005, 06:36 AM
*sigh*

Do we really need to turn this into yet another "My OS can beat up your OS!" thread?

I use all 3 major OSes (OSX, WinXP, Linux) and they all have strong points, and weak points. None are perfect, and none of them excel at everything. They are all just tools, and sometimes one of them is the right tool for the job over another one... or perhaps that one fits better for the way you like to work.

Choosing to use one product over another doesn't make you a superior human being in any way.


Back on topic:

The name is kinda silly... but does it really matter? I wasn't thrilled with the names Win ME or Win XP when they were announced either.

Since I don't currently own a machine capable of running it, I guess I won't have to worry about upgrading right away anyways.

Astrotoy7
07-23-2005, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by jedigoku
:indif: um I stated that the will be no pro or equivalent of longhorn:eek:

so you're sayin mom n pops will be using the same software as corprate and high end users....

*finds that hard to believe*

mtfbwya

Smilodon
07-23-2005, 07:43 AM
Hm, I will stay at WinXP for a while after upgrading from Win2000. Though I believe my machine could handle this new Windows, I'm gonna wait how experts will rate it, especially security and the like :o

Pie™
07-23-2005, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by jedigoku
I'm and PC specialist so I know what i am talking about:D If you're a PC specialist, I'm Charlton Heston's loveslave. :indif:

I think I'll probably stick with XP, at least a couple of years...

Astrotoy7
07-23-2005, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by Pie™
If you're a PC specialist, I'm Charlton Heston's loveslave. :indif:


lmao Astro <3 Pieski's longhorn ;)

El Sitherino
07-23-2005, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by TiE 23
And I don't see how it is better making computers much more complicated is better. Think about your mom using Linux after she has been used to Windows (or Mac) for years.

TiE ... That's really stupid logic that makes absolutely no sense.

RevanA4
07-23-2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
so you're sayin mom n pops will be using the same software as corprate and high end users....

*finds that hard to believe*

mtfbwya

um no there is going to be a home equivalant not quiet pro equivalent and as server equivalant

TiE23
07-23-2005, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
... That's really stupid logic that makes absolutely no sense. Your point is?

Linux is great for programers and stuff, but for kids like me, who just want to play games and Photoshop, XP is fine for me.

jedigoku, for the few who understand what you are saying, how did you find out this info? No Home or Pro edition? And Astrotoy, why is that such a weird thing? Its not like they are going to be effected cause they have access to Visio or something.

Bleh

TiE

Rogue15
07-23-2005, 12:52 PM
**** that i just got xp

RevanA4
07-23-2005, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Pie™
If you're a PC specialist, I'm Charlton Heston's loveslave. :indif:


why is that hard to belive you obviouslly haven't been to starwarsknights.com or you wouldn't be saying that:p

fact:

1. I program
2. I'm a PC Specialist
3. A+ certified
4. I know linux and use it for fun
5. I graduated with a BS degree in computer information systems (CIS)

and last but not least I work as a PC specialist:p

and if that doesn't prove it I can always crash your computer:p

and my info has not been published it is just a rumor in the tech community

El Sitherino
07-23-2005, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
Your point is?
My point is what you said made no sense. What exactly is complicated and what about parents?

Your logic made no sense, I understand the gaming arguement. Tis why I still have a windows machine. But I the rest of your arguement made no sense, you offered no example of what you meant.

TiE23
07-23-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
My point is what you said made no sense. What exactly is complicated and what about parents?

Your logic made no sense, I understand the gaming arguement. Tis why I still have a windows machine. But I the rest of your arguement made no sense, you offered no example of what you meant.
You don't have windows? Edit: (Oh, mis-read it)
And I could care less that you like to pretend you don't understand me in an attempt to try and void my argument, even though you have no point to disagree with me (or you haven't pointed one out yet).

So I say: Why should I care?

TiE

El Sitherino
07-23-2005, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
You don't have windows?


...uh I said I have a windows machine.

Originally posted by TiE 23
And I could care less that you like to pretend you don't understand me in an attempt to try and void my argument, even though you have no point to disagree with me (or you haven't pointed one out yet).

I'm just trying to figure out what the hell you meant by making something more complicated and what parents had to do with this. Linux (if that was your implication) is not complicated, nor is it impossible for a parent to use.

And you seem to have a sour image of me that is completely false, I'm not pretending, nor am I trying to void your arguement by pretending.
What you said made little to no sense and I wished for clarification on what you meant.

Originally posted by TiE 23
So I say: Why should I care?


You made the post, you obviously cared enough to make it.

RevanA4
07-23-2005, 01:20 PM
um Linux is only complicated when you only know window gui but me i grew up with dos(Dumb operating system) and I when i actually took a linux corse i couldn't beleive the trouble the windows junkies were having and as for it actually being easy to learn it is not something you can just put as little effort into learn and actually be able to us it effectively and shouldn't a linux window debate be in the senate chambers:D and I only run window to play games and use microsoft visual studios .net oh and did i mention linux is free

ZBomber
07-23-2005, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
who just want to play games and Photoshop...


I don't think it should be that hard to switch to Linux, not like you're good at Photoshop anyways....

TiE23
07-23-2005, 01:23 PM
Well, moving on from Insane Sith's pointless quarrelling, I read that Vista wasn't coming out until late 2006, so I guess they will have awhile to add some features and such. And hopefully it will shape up pretty well by the time its finished. I just hope it works well.

TiE

El Sitherino
07-23-2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by jedigoku
um Linux is only complicated when you only know window gui Not really, I grew up with windows and early mac. I got Ubuntu Linux and that was a breeze to pick up, same with zen linux and gentoo, etc.

All you have to do is take some time to figure stuff out, just like you would with any other computer.

Originally posted by TiE 23
Well, moving on from Insane Sith's pointless quarrelling Remind me how questioning to understand what you mean = arguing.

Rogue Nine
07-23-2005, 01:24 PM
I use DOS. I win, you all lose.

And **** your reg date.

ET Warrior
07-23-2005, 01:25 PM
Oh dear lord if this pointless bickering about OS's doesn't stop I'm going to kill things.

and this thread will be the first to get the axe.


Stop. It. Now.

RevanA4
07-23-2005, 01:26 PM
:eek: which version the latest 6.22 or what every:p dos it still run at my job so i win cuz we run macs. xp, 200, linux and I know them all:p

El Sitherino
07-23-2005, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by ET Warrior
Oh dear lord if this pointless bickering about OS's doesn't stop I'm going to kill things.

and this thread will be the first to get the axe.


Stop. It. Now.

Indeed. I was merely trying to understand.


Anyway, I remember hearing rumours that they were going to be just having a business edition for ... business' and a personal use edition. But no "Vista Professional".

Originally posted by jedigoku
:eek: which version the latest 6.22 or what every:p dos it still run at my job so i win cuz we run macs. xp, 200, linux and I know them all:p
http://www.boomspeed.com/insanesith/icare.jpg

RevanA4
07-23-2005, 01:30 PM
yup that is what i have been saying it has been a rumor for a while now in the tech community but they atleast could have picked a better name:o

I wanna pro editon:mad:

Hermie
07-23-2005, 01:40 PM
Oh dear god, what have I started?

Pie™
07-23-2005, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by jedigoku
and last but not least I work as a PC specialist:p *Wanders off to please his master*

manoman81
07-24-2005, 11:47 AM
Well, looking at some of those screenies, and all arguing aside, I realize two things: 1) The one post is from 2003. 2) If the actual desktop looks that way with a freaking huge clock and side bar, I will stay with XP until I have time to sit down and learn Linux or something. It really looks like XP with a couple of bells and whistles. Now, if there were updated pics and stuff, I would like to see them. Other than that, yeah I don't like it so far...

El Sitherino
07-24-2005, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by manoman81
It really looks like XP with a couple of bells and whistles. Well yeah, but then again you could say every afterbuild of an OS looks like it's predecessor with a few bells and whistles added.

But I agree, looks a lot like those mock-longhorn themes you get for stylexp or windowsblinds.

RevanA4
07-24-2005, 12:35 PM
well xp is basically 2000 made to look pretty :p It seems they are following that philosophy for longhorn

Mex
07-24-2005, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Indeed. I was merely trying to understand look good.


:xp: I'm joking.

I'm going to stick with Windows XP, how the heck is anyone going to minimize games? It'll take like 2 minutes just to load your "3D" desktop. Also I don't really like the name, I preferred Lonhorn.

El Sitherino
07-24-2005, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Pal™
:xp: I'm joking.


Love ya too ya bitch. <3

Originally posted by Pal™
I'm going to stick with Windows XP, how the heck is anyone going to minimize games? It'll take like 2 minutes just to load your "3D" desktop.

It'll be interesting to see, to say the least.

Originally posted by Pal™
Also I don't really like the name, I preferred Longhorn. You clearly haven't been to Texas.

RevanA4
07-24-2005, 12:48 PM
errr I already have a 3d desktop :p and I isn't cool they are actully pretty dumb and I'll stick with xp pro and that is that

Mex
07-24-2005, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by InsaneSith
Love ya too ya bitch. <3

<3

Also I don't like how much RAM Vista is going to use up, now that new games are requiring 2 Gigs of ram, if you can't afford two and only have 1 gig I guess about half of thats going to be used for rendering the desktop.

I do like the idea about the sidebar though, even though that should've been added years ago. It'll be easier to navigate through menus and the like.

I just hope Vista isn't as easy to pirate as Windows XP (RHQQ2 anyone? :xp: )

Kjølen
07-24-2005, 05:08 PM
I somehow fail to see how Vista's desktop is any more "3D" than XP's.

RevanA4
07-24-2005, 05:11 PM
:eyeraise: :eyeraise: :eyeraise: :eyeraise:what game needs 2 gb of ram huh I don't know of one :eek:

BongoBob
07-24-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by jedigoku
errr I already have a 3d desktop :p and I isn't cool they are actully pretty dumb and I'll stick with xp pro and that is that

Wait a sec...so after a page of what seems like linux-fanboyism from you, you say you're gonna stick with win xp?

On topic, I like the name, but I can emulate the side bar thing w/o vista.

RevanA4
07-24-2005, 05:16 PM
um I duel boot to linux or xp:p

TiE23
07-24-2005, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by jedigoku
um I duel boot to linux or xp:p Thats okay, my computers are on from appox. 9:00am to around 1:00am, maybe one restart once but otherwise they run all day.

So 30 extra seconds is no skin off my nose... bitch.
And I seriously doubt that Vista will require 1 gig, most computers have 512mb. And why would it require so much, anyway? >_>

TiE

BongoBob
07-24-2005, 05:22 PM
Alright, then that makes sense.

And technology leaps forward quite fast, by the time it comes out, more people might have the tech needed for it standard.

Just a thought.

*cries at 384mb of ram and xp2000+ processor and 32mb GeForce2 gpu*

Kjølen
07-24-2005, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by BongoBob And technology leaps forward quite fast, by the time it comes out, more people might have the tech needed for it standard.[/B]

What standard? :p
From the look of it, it's just XP with some widgetesque things.

RevanA4
07-24-2005, 05:31 PM
:dozey: the stuff will be standard on new pc's:o

BongoBob
07-24-2005, 06:08 PM
Dude, just because he didn't understand what I said doesn't mean you have to be a prick about it : |

Mex
07-24-2005, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by jedigoku
:eyeraise: :eyeraise: :eyeraise: :eyeraise:what game needs 2 gb of ram huh I don't know of one :eek:

Battlefield 2, to even run that game properly you need 2 gig of ram. But if they fixed all of the bugs and performance issues I'm sure that you'd only need 1.

shukrallah
07-24-2005, 09:06 PM
Check the specs:

Desktop CPU: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor with HyperThreading Technology 530 (or higher) or 3 GHz Intel Xeon processor with 2 MB L2 cache, or AMD Athlon 64, Sempron, or Opteron 100, 200, or 800 processor, single or dual-core versions.

Mobile CPU: 1.86 GHz Intel Pentium M processor 750 (or higher), or AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology, Mobile Sempron, or Mobile Athlon 64 processor.

RAM: 512 MB of RAM or more, all platforms.


Thats too high.

what game needs 2 gb of ram huh I don't know of one


Well, lets put it this way, when "vista" comes out, machine will need 512 RAM to run the OS. That means a game that currently recommends 512 RAM (HL2, D3) will now require 1 GIG of RAM. Why? 512 for the OS and 512 for the game.

I doubt it will use all 512 megabytes for the OS, but my Windows XP 2D crap uses around 200 + MBs of RAM. If this is really 3D, then it will be like running a game constantly.


Imagine low frames per second on your desktop. Thats going to suck, and I can see it being a problem.

On the other hand, all the pics I have seen look like Windows XP with a new theme: You know, new start menu, status bars... new little buttons. It really doesn't seem 3D...

I would almost go as far as to say that its just like Jedi Academy (Jedi Outcast with a paint job.) But I really don't know, I could be totally wrong.


I'll probably buy a new PC in a year or two that comes with Vista preinstalled, so that way it should come with the necessary specs + more.

El Sitherino
07-24-2005, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
And why would it require so much, anyway? >_>
It's windows. Windows = resource whoring. Always.

TiE23
07-24-2005, 11:37 PM
I dont get it... my RAM says 0% usage and 5% CPU on my comp just with FireFox on. I don't get it. >_>
And how can you know what life is without Windows running when playing games? The specs of computers are adjusted for the use of Windows/Mac/Linux at the same time. If they could make Windows much more efficient, that would be great. But people shouldn't complain, unless it takes more.

Get it?

TiE

BongoBob
07-25-2005, 12:05 AM
I just read in my new GI that the new one level expansion for HL2 requires 2gigs of ram.

Guhdamn : |

TiE23
07-25-2005, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by BongoBob
I just read in my new GI that the new one level expansion for HL2 requires 2gigs of ram.

Guhdamn : |

http://www.hl2.ru/hl2/lostcoast/images/hl2.ru-lostcoast05.jpg
Thats why.

TiE

BongoBob
07-25-2005, 12:41 AM
I know that. I'm just saying guhdamn.

You gotta wonder what the required specs of Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is going to be :eek:

Dagobahn Eagle
07-25-2005, 04:42 AM
Well, looks like the only question now is:

Why upgrade?
Because I've heard Bill Gates is going out of his way to make it so that old software won't run on this new Windows version. Just like Windows ME-or-earlier games and programs have problems on XP.

So if you want to play a game released after this new Windows version, you don't have a choice:mad:.

Question answered for you:D?

El Sitherino
07-25-2005, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
Because I've heard Bill Gates is going out of his way to make it so that old software won't run on this new Windows version. Just like Windows ME-or-earlier games and programs have problems on XP.

So if you want to play a game released after this new Windows version, you don't have a choice:mad:.

Question answered for you:D? Yes, because those decisions are made by Gates. :rolleyes:

shukrallah
07-25-2005, 01:45 PM
While Gates could make Windows more efficient when it comes to memory and processor usage, he won't. Neither will game developers. They can always produce software that renders amazing graphics, like the screenshot above, for lower ammounts of RAM and Processing power.

You see, theres this thing called money. And theres this thing called progress. By making Windows and Video Game hog memory and CPU power they force us to update, making them richer. By Gates forcing all software devs to make games "Vista Only" it forces us to upgrade. Although a lot of this high spec crap is because of Windows stealing our computer power. Look at consoles - no OS (or a really small one) that can run beautiful games with less than 128 RAM?

The GCN and PS2 both have less than 64 RAM, yet they can run games that have psycho specs on PC. Their processing power combined is less than 1 ghz.


GCN - 32 RAM 300 Mhz
PS2 - 24 RAM 400 Mhz

... I think...

El Sitherino
07-25-2005, 02:06 PM
Why are you saying this is a decision by Gates? It's not, he has very little matter in the way all of this plays out. He's a figure head, he doesn't make decisions of how the software will work.


Please stop being another ignorant anti-windows/microsoft/gates fanboy and blame the corporate runners.

shukrallah
07-25-2005, 02:09 PM
Yeah, but they are following his example from previous versions. He used to have a more active role in the company. And I am sure he keeps Windows the way he wants it, hes not going to let people change into something completley different.

RevanA4
07-25-2005, 02:19 PM
bill gates is only there because he own most of the shares and no other reason and as insanesith he has no real say so and microsoft as always will do as it pleases with no reguard for its users

TiE23
07-25-2005, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by lukeskywalker1
While Gates could make Windows more efficient when it comes to memory and processor usage, he won't. Neither will game developers. They can always produce software that renders amazing graphics, like the screenshot above, for lower ammounts of RAM and Processing power.

You see, theres this thing called money. And theres this thing called progress. By making Windows and Video Game hog memory and CPU power they force us to update, making them richer. By Gates forcing all software devs to make games "Vista Only" it forces us to upgrade. Although a lot of this high spec crap is because of Windows stealing our computer power. Look at consoles - no OS (or a really small one) that can run beautiful games with less than 128 RAM?

The GCN and PS2 both have less than 64 RAM, yet they can run games that have psycho specs on PC. Their processing power combined is less than 1 ghz.


GCN - 32 RAM 300 Mhz
PS2 - 24 RAM 400 Mhz

... I think...
I know, when I was like 11, I asked my dad if it was possible to turn everything, every process on your computer so it would spend all resources on the game. Hes a computer wiz but I dont remember what he said. But really, there should be a program that shuts down everything and uses its own, tiny OS to run games. So instead of having 70 things running on your computer at one time, you would only have 2 or 3. Whats the big deal? Make the computer run like a computer, but when it starts running a game, switch into console mode.

XNA?

TiE

RevanA4
07-25-2005, 03:38 PM
yeah it is called an emulator:eek: but no it isn't possible I suppose you could set the games process to real time *shutters* not a good idea

Joetheeskimo
07-25-2005, 07:59 PM
Do you speak English as a first language?

If so, it would be a lot more easy to believe you were a "PC Specialist" if you used proper punctuation, learned 1st grade spelling, and knew how to properly use a keyboard.

If not, disregard the above message.

On-Topic: I'm not planning to upgrade either, XP does me fine. Not to mention the specs stated by Bongo are stupidly high.

Samuel Dravis
07-25-2005, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle
Because I've heard Bill Gates is going out of his way to make it so that old software won't run on this new Windows version. Just like Windows ME-or-earlier games and programs have problems on XP.

So if you want to play a game released after this new Windows version, you don't have a choice:mad:.

Question answered for you:D? Thank you. It makes everything clear.

I'll assemble an army.

:bdroid1: :bdroid1: :bdroid1: :bdroid1: :bdroid1: :bdroid1:

And we will conquer. :D

edlib
07-25-2005, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by TiE 23
I know, when I was like 11, I asked my dad if it was possible to turn everything, every process on your computer so it would spend all resources on the game. Hes a computer wiz but I dont remember what he said. But really, there should be a program that shuts down everything and uses its own, tiny OS to run games. So instead of having 70 things running on your computer at one time, you would only have 2 or 3. Whats the big deal? Make the computer run like a computer, but when it starts running a game, switch into console mode.

XNA?

TiE
Yes, there are ways to get very close to that, but they are a bit awkward.

Blackviper's (http://dhost.info/kyeu/mirror/blackviper/) site describes a lot of things you can do to get there.

Basically, you need to set up a second Profile that has every service, background application, and piece of hardware you are not using to play games totally disabled, and switch to that profile when gaming.

It's not a perfect solution, but can free up a lot of resources being chewed up by unneeded background junk.

Crow_Nest
07-26-2005, 08:08 AM
Yep, saw this news few days ago. Vista sounds like a pretty lame name to me, like they stole the idea from "Visa" credit card

ET Warrior
07-26-2005, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by |GG|Crow_Nest
Yep, saw this news few days ago. Vista sounds like a pretty lame name to me, like they stole the idea from "Visa" credit card

...

Visa (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Visa)
Vista (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Vista)

sharing 4 letters != stealing.

RevanA4
07-26-2005, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by joetheeskimo5

If so, it would be a lot more easy to believe you were a "PC Specialist" if you used proper punctuation, learned 1st grade spelling, and knew how to properly use a keyboard.


plz read the last line in my sig

um most of the time my brain is moving faster than my fingers and why does everybody think that to be anything in computers you need to be a genius:confused: I'm good with logic, math , and all the other suff related to computers and I've never been good at spelling or grammer so knock it of already:mad:

your lucky I don't run every thing together anyway. I retype every post atleast once because of that:D

TiE23
07-26-2005, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by jedigoku
plz read the last line in my sig

um most of the time my brain is moving faster than my fingers and why does everybody think that to be anything in computers you need to be a genius:confused: I'm good with logic, math , and all the other suff related to computers and I've never been good at spelling or grammer so knock it of already:mad:

your lucky I don't run every thing together anyway. I retype every post atleast once because of that:D Yah, I can understand that, but we find people who type like this is a MySpace page find it kinda annoying.

Ontopic: What do you mean by real time jedigoku? Like, its slower or something in real time?
>_>

TiE

RevanA4
07-26-2005, 03:14 PM
when a process is set to run in real time it completely takes over the cpu which is a bad thing.

all processes have certain priorities which determine the amount of time cpu time they get but when you change a process to realtime which is the highest priotity to takes all the cpu time and every other process stop running which tend to make a computer freeze up which is why i put the *shutters* comment there

ET Warrior
07-26-2005, 04:46 PM
The problem arises in that you've locked out any potential for your OS or really anything to re-gain access of the CPU, so if what you are currently running hangs, you're screwed because you cannot kill it, nothing else can utilize your CPU.

Astrotoy7
07-29-2005, 07:59 AM
*clicks fingers*

I lost track of this OS flambeaux, though I am interested, is Vista coming with IE7 ??

anyone know ?

please note, that if you are going to respond, you do NOT have to tell us how much FF rules. I use FF but I hate freakin Firefox nazis :(

mtfbwya

edlib
07-29-2005, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
... is Vista coming with IE7 ??
I believe that's the case, although I also heard that a Beta of IE7 will available soon for anyone with XP Service Pack 2.

RevanA4
07-29-2005, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Astrotoy7
*clicks fingers*

I lost track of this OS flambeaux, though I am interested, is Vista coming with IE7 ??

anyone know ?

please note, that if you are going to respond, you do NOT have to tell us how much FF rules. I use FF but I hate freakin Firefox nazis :(

mtfbwya

that is more than likely the case since IE is Microsoft's browser I would think that they would include it in vista

yes I use firefox I'm not gonna bash ie but do you know that the Google toolbar is out for firefox now

no I'm not gonna get in a firefox ie debate either:)

shukrallah
07-29-2005, 12:20 PM
So, don't set it to realtime. Set your process to Above Normal or High.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8158/normal9qr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Check it out, press alt + control + delete and then click processes, right click the program you want to speed up, and there you go.

Anyways, I wouldn't recommend it doing this, but if your game is really slow...


An IE Beta is supposed to come out this summer.


um most of the time my brain is moving faster than my fingers and why does everybody think that to be anything in computers you need to be a genius I'm good with logic, math , and all the other suff related to computers and I've never been good at spelling or grammer so knock it of already


I used to speed up really fast, but slow down, take your time. Take a typing class or something so it will allow you to channel that speed into your keys at a good rate.

Besides, in C++/HTML if you type like that you will get many errors, lol.

toms
07-29-2005, 12:39 PM
IE 7 is included in vista. Its also being released for XP because of security concerns about IE6, but some of the advanced features won't work.

I think an IE7 beta just came out, but it disables the google toolbar or something.

Unfortunately IE7 STILL isn't going to properly support HTML and CSS standards... so even 10 years after they were created its still going to be a major pain to use CSS and make it work with both IE and standards compliant browsers...

Vista screenshots here (http://www.activewin.com/articles/2005/betavis.shtml)

anyone know of any plugin for XP that allows you to filter the contents of a folder by typing into a box in the toolbar, like in this screenshot: http://www.activewin.com/articles/2005/images/All%20Docs.jpg
???

Datheus
07-29-2005, 02:53 PM
I don't get this. Seven versions. Yet the browser still doesn't mesh completely with HTML and CSS standards?

And it's the same for most other browsers. Even Firefox isn't 100% compliant from what I understand.

What exactly are coders making these programs to do if they're not being made to work with web standards? What the hell?

TiE23
07-30-2005, 01:52 AM
Apparently, nothing is perfect. :cry6:
*eats more lemon flavored paste*

So far, I'm not impressed by whats its shaping up to be, yah, it looks cool, includes features only available for download for free by 3rd party companies, and it took them 4 years to do it. Its just sad.

TiE

jon_hill987
07-30-2005, 03:59 AM
It seems to me that this OS will use up more of my nice clock cycles and bits of memory that any that have gone before, clock cycles that can be but to better use blasting aliens out of the sky or raining hell down on a village to mek them believe in you (one of my popular past times of late).

It looks like it will be very little extra function (probably less as it will try and stop you doing anything that might change the settings) with much worse performance (on the same PC). It also looks more fluffy than XP, and I'm guessing that unlike XP you probably wont be able switch back to clasic veiw (something I do to save my RAM from that big blobby taskbar)

That is all.

PS: hello again everyone.

shukrallah
07-30-2005, 10:47 AM
I just want that start menu theme... other than that, I don't care.

Mex
07-30-2005, 11:02 AM
Hmm, I just figured. With Windows XP you can make it so it doesn't look as fancy, (Control panel->System->Advanced->Performance) so you should be able to do it with Vista aswell, hopefully.

shukrallah
07-30-2005, 11:15 AM
Yup, exactly right. I don't see why they won't allow you to change back to the old windows start menus, or even the XP ones if you want.

Mex
07-30-2005, 11:27 AM
Yup, exactly right. I don't see why they won't allow you to change back to the old windows start menus, or even the XP ones if you want.

In the final version you will most probably be able to switch back, because in XP you can still use the classic Windows start bar, and menu.

Heres a picture of it in XP.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3386/windowsxpbar7oa.th.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=windowsxpbar7oa.jpg)

Also heres the classic theme and the classic start bar.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2025/windowsbar2xz.th.gif (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=windowsbar2xz.gif)

So if it's in XP it should be on Vista.

shukrallah
07-30-2005, 03:04 PM
Yeah, it should.

Guys at tweakXP.org I found a sweet start menu! Its so cool... it looks like the one above in that picture! :D

TiE23
07-30-2005, 03:42 PM
You guys shouldn't worry about system specs right now, they are not official and they are not finished making the OS. If Vista has something up its sleve, we will find out what that is, hopefully...

TiE

Hermie
07-30-2005, 06:45 PM
Guys at tweakXP.org I found a sweet start menu! Its so cool... it looks like the one above in that picture! :D
Guys, I found a xp skin which looks just like the explorer in the pic! They call it OSX!











I'm sorry, I can't resist, its just that it looks like a bad ripoff of the X Finder. >_>;;

Mex
07-30-2005, 07:44 PM
Yeah, it should.

Guys at tweakXP.org I found a sweet start menu! Its so cool... it looks like the one above in that picture! :D

And do you have a link to this start menu?

TiE23
07-30-2005, 07:46 PM
Guys, I found a xp skin which looks just like the explorer in the pic! They call it OSX!

I'm sorry, I can't resist, its just that it looks like a bad ripoff of the X Finder. >_>;;
Google Desktop Search does the same thing....









and its free

TiE

Hermie
07-30-2005, 08:09 PM
I'm talking about the entire layout. The search bar in the upper right corner, the shortcuts on the left and the layout of the top toolbar (just forward, back and "adress" bar).

toms
07-30-2005, 08:09 PM
As i understand it Vista has a "performance analysis" module that runs when you first install it that analyses the speed and capability of all parts of your system (processor, cd speed, graphics card etc). It then defaults the settings to ones your pc can handle... so if its a slower pc or has a lower graphics card you won't get the flashy interface effects.
Also, if your performance changes (drops due to bad software or spyware or a problem, or improves due to an upgrade) it will detect it and run again.
Supposedly they are making games a major focus of the software as playing games is the second most common use of a home pc after the internet... and these games will be able to access the same performance info to allow them to decide what bells and whistles to use.
That said, the DRM lockdown (secure path etc) is likely to mean i won't upgrade for a few years at least.

shukrallah
07-30-2005, 10:45 PM
Yeah, I have a link... I was sort of half way wondering if its even legal to change the start menu. Question to those who have installed custom start menus, that Style XP program is a trial version, when it runs out will my start menu go away as well? It didn't come with the program... When I tried to uninstall the program it auto set my start menu to that blue XP one... so I reinstalled and set it all back to the way I like it.

Heres the link:

http://www.themexp.org/preview.php?mid=106040&type=vs&view=&page=&cat=&name=Longhorn+Aero+5059+v1.zip

Thats what I downloaded, and it looks simular to the pic toms posted. It even adds the green info bars, or whatever they are called.

You might want to browse the site to find another one you like, however. At the top of the page click "How do I install" to see how to install each item. Its not that complicated. Although Boot Screens can be fatal to your computer, so I have heard :-( Im not going to mess with that, I only changed the Icons and the Start Menu. Start menus seem to be installed no problem.

TiE23
07-30-2005, 11:00 PM
A prog called Windows Blinds also more or less does the same thing as Style XP.

TiE

shukrallah
07-30-2005, 11:11 PM
Is that 100% free?

edlib
07-31-2005, 10:23 AM
From what I understand (which just might be incorrect) Vista isn't an update to XP (like the transition from 95 to 98 or 98 to ME) but all new code pretty much written totally from scratch (like the difference between 3.1 and NT)

That's why it's taken so long.

It's supposed to be (if you choose to belive Microsoft press releases) far more secure than any previous versions, more like Unix in that respect.

I guess time will tell...

TiE23
07-31-2005, 02:15 PM
Oh, so hackers and guys will have to start all over again. Instead of using known code from previous generations, they will have to start reverse engineering it instead and also face tougher security.
I just want it stable, secure, and good for gaming. Cause my dad always gets the new OS whenever it comes out.

TiE

El Sitherino
07-31-2005, 02:24 PM
Didn't they say similiar things about XP though?

edlib
07-31-2005, 06:37 PM
No doubt.

Already the tech press is claiming that Vista is turning out to be far less ambitious that originally presented; and that most of the really interesting and groundbreaking features promised and touted at the time of the intial press releases have been scaled way back if not dropped altogether.

TiE23
07-31-2005, 07:35 PM
No doubt.

Already the tech press is claiming that Vista is turning out to be far less ambitious that originally presented; and that most of the really interesting and groundbreaking features promised and touted at the time of the intial press releases have been scaled way back if not dropped altogether.Ow, that sounds bad. Well, good thing I didn't know any of it at the start, so I won't be disappointed.

One of the most powerful companies in the world, and they still manage to screw up on a regular basis. :smash:

TiE

RevanA4
07-31-2005, 09:39 PM
I heard that vista wasn't going to be reverse compatible with any software for the previous versions of windows so I still think I'll pass

ET Warrior
07-31-2005, 09:45 PM
I heard that vista wasn't going to be reverse compatible with any software for the previous versions of windows so I still think I'll pass

:eek: And I heard that if you try to use firefox as your browser in Vista it KILLS YOU. :indif:

shukrallah
07-31-2005, 10:30 PM
Whats up with that ET? Hes right: If Vista isn't compatible with any of my software I won't buy it. I won't have a need for it. Most likley someone will make patches and/or Windows XP emulators. Im surprised no one has done so already (you know, like make a windows 3.11 emulator or something)

However, it wouldn't be smart for microsoft to not make it compatible with XP software, in fact it would be just plain stupid.

Alegis
08-12-2005, 09:55 AM
I don't notice anything special about IE 7 except tabs. If there's any page I should check with it let me know.

Can't really notice much new stuff about Vista. It's basically windows XP with just new themes and all that stuff; windows "zooming" out, folders with a transparant box at the top etc. In some cases I find the design less desirable as with folderview

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/2720/view5bc.jpg

You can instantly add coments etc to files from folderview but I don't like the big ass folder pics. For that they made these bars on the top for easier navigation though it'll take some time to get used to.

Astrotoy7
08-12-2005, 10:28 AM
I tried tab-browsing with ie6 with the msn toolbar, it just isnt as good as FF for some reason...

Rather than its looks, Id say the main advantages in Vista are to be found when utilising higher system specs. Id like to see some benchmarking figures before Im convinced on this puppy

mtfbwya

Alegis
08-12-2005, 10:29 AM
Tabbing is actually nice with IE 7. Has this little box next to each tab which opens into a new tab whenever you click it.

Astrotoy7
08-12-2005, 10:31 AM
can you post an ie7 screenie ? :)

mtfbwya

Alegis
08-12-2005, 10:36 AM
Bien sur Astro man

acdcfanbill
08-12-2005, 01:13 PM
theres this neat thing in firefox, called a link, and every time you click it w/ middle mouse, it opens up a new tab... so M$ is still stealing ideas :)

ET Warrior
08-12-2005, 01:55 PM
Also, if you want a new tab in FF you can hit Ctrl-T and BAM. *shrug*

El Sitherino
08-12-2005, 02:04 PM
Also. IE7 is just as exploitable as IE6, they didn't take any real security measures.

access_flux
08-12-2005, 02:12 PM
word is they are gonna start using linux style consoles :|

Astrotoy7
08-12-2005, 02:17 PM
*In the distance, goose-steps can be heard*

Thank you Alegis, I just wanted to *see what it looked like* It seems I have inadvertantly started a FF Pride March :(

c'mon all singalong :

"Firefox, Firefox Uber Alles....."

Alegis
08-12-2005, 02:19 PM
Also, if you want a new tab in FF you can hit Ctrl-T and BAM. *shrug*
But this is faster!
Well the whole interface of everything had a nice rework though I doubt that many new functionality is still waiting for me to be discovered.

According to microsoft
Dynamic security protection through a simplified architecture that defends against malware, and new dynamic ways to protect against personal data theft from fraudulent Web sites (a practice known as “phishing”).

Improved design to make everyday tasks easier and faster, with better navigation through tabbed browsing; inline search right from the toolbar; shrink-to-fit Web page printing; and a streamlined, redesigned user interface (currently in its early stages in Beta 1).

New tools to take you directly to the information you want through support for Web feeds (RSS) that includes automatic discovery of web feeds (RSS) on Web pages, basic Web Feed (RSS) reading capabilities, and basic support for saving Web feeds (RSS) as a new kind of favorite.

Platform enhancements for developers to improve compatibility and manageability, including improved support for Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) as well as transparent PNG support.


Thank you Alegis, I just wanted to *see what it looked like* It seems I have inadvertantly started a FF Pride March
Yes funny how any topic that even briefly contains the words Internet Explorer turns into a firefox praise. I Prefer firefox as well but thats irrelevant :\

Back to Vista, no crashes yet!

ET Warrior
08-12-2005, 02:22 PM
But this is faster!.
I doubt that...though if you want you can double-click in the tab bar on FF to open a new tab...but keyboard shortcuts are always faster in my opinion.

El Sitherino
08-12-2005, 02:24 PM
"Firefox, Firefox Uber Alles....."

The secret coder data police, come to take away your untech niece?


All I'm saying is I hope MS takes steps to actually secure IE rather than pretty it up.

Alegis
08-12-2005, 02:24 PM
Yes well I'm not an IE fanboy, only trying it out. Posting this with ff 1.04

About the crashes, it responds way better to programs not responding


All I'm saying is I hope MS takes steps to actually secure IE rather than pretty it up.
Aye. Suddenly disabling all javascript was a kinda poor act on MS' side

El Sitherino
08-12-2005, 02:27 PM
Aye. Suddenly disabling all javascript was a kinda poor act on MS' side
Exactly, if IE suddenly became more secure than FireFox or any other browser, I'd use it. But so far what I'm seeing is they're doing exactly what they did with IE6. Just prettying up the looks and saying "yeah it's more secure, don't you see the pretty features? That means it's more secure. The prettiness scares away girlshy-hacker types."

TiE23
08-12-2005, 02:39 PM
About the crashes, it responds way better to programs not responding
Vista does? Thats good, it sucks being forced to wait for 3 minutes while XP Shuts down a single program, when there could be a way to just "cut it out" and kill it.

And uhhh.. thanks for bumping this :p

El Sitherino
08-12-2005, 02:45 PM
Indeed, I was pissed when they didn't allow instant kill in XP.

Astrotoy7
08-12-2005, 03:09 PM
The secret coder data police, come to take away your untech niece?

I was referring to the german national anthem that was used during Nazi rule, not the DK song, but you knew that

anyway...I'll definitely give ie7 a try. The only thing that will make me not use it is if its cumbersome. I like minimalistic/easy to use

mtfbwya

El Sitherino
08-12-2005, 03:15 PM
I was referring to the german national anthem that was used during Nazi rule, not the DK song, but you knew that
I know, I just felt like being an ass. Plus parody is fun. :D

shukrallah
08-12-2005, 03:29 PM
So what does Vista mean anyways?

Astrotoy7
08-12-2005, 03:37 PM
So what does Vista mean anyways?

Vista is the latin word for "view", like that which you get out of a window... lame huh :(

mtfbwya

shukrallah
08-12-2005, 04:00 PM
Lame like XP = Xperience.

El Sitherino
08-12-2005, 04:12 PM
Lame like XP = Xperience.
Aye, XPerience was possibly the worst ad campaign I have ever witnessed.

TiE23
08-12-2005, 04:39 PM
Aye, XPerience was possibly the worst ad campaign I have ever witnessed.
Thank god I was only 11 when that **** was being thrown around. >_> I dont rember it.

Mex
08-12-2005, 05:04 PM
Aleg, how did you get that beta of vista? :o I have only have the beta of IE7.

Sabretooth
08-13-2005, 04:07 AM
I just don't get Microsoft's obsession with blue...

Mex
08-13-2005, 06:32 AM
I just don't get Microsoft's obsession with blue...

Isn't it meant to "keep you calm" because I think everyone needs it with all those damn errors.

El Sitherino
08-13-2005, 02:06 PM
I just don't get Microsoft's obsession with blue...
Sky is blue. Windows let you see the sky. *shrugs*

Plus blue is a nice color.

Alegis
08-13-2005, 05:22 PM
Aleg, how did you get that beta of vista?

I'm an official longhorn tester now and will get the builds as soon as they're done. Nice to have those contacts

Lightblue is nice

Lookie lookie senator:
http://www.neowin.net/images/news/logos/ms_ie7logo.png

Mex
08-13-2005, 05:33 PM
I didn't notice that, and I read the posts throughoughly. Odd. Must be going blind.

Sabretooth
08-14-2005, 01:31 AM
Sky is blue. Windows let you see the sky. *shrugs*

Plus blue is a nice color.

Black is better

The start menu prolly stands for grass, then. :p