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THE VIGILANTE
07-28-2005, 12:57 AM
Assuming of course that KotOR 3 will be made, who should be the developer?

I personally feel that they should bring back BioWare to do the job.

What do you guys think?

Jeff
07-28-2005, 01:22 AM
I want Bioware to do it.

I think that maybe a developer like Ubisoft might do it. Though, assuming since Obsidian was old Black Isle People that Black Isle doesn't exist anymore, Obsidian wouldn't be too bad. Though its pretty sure they won't.

Emperor Devon
07-28-2005, 01:29 AM
Hmm... KOTOR 1 had a much more epic feel, but Obsidian introduced some pretty cool new stuff... Maybe they should work together.

THE VIGILANTE
07-28-2005, 01:41 AM
Hmmm...

I think if both worked together, it would be the best.

BioWare started the whole series and they should definitely have some part, however big or small, in the end.
Obsidian continued the story and brought more features and items into the story. They too, should have some part in the end.

Also, BioWare lacks Features but has the abilty to tell stories. Obsidian lacks the ability to tell stories, but has more features.
Each company has a trait that the other lacks. So it would be fitting if they worked to together.

Just my thoughts.

Achilles
07-28-2005, 01:42 AM
I think Obsidian should do K3. Considering the position they were in, they made a hell of a game in record time. Was it the game that they wanted to make? No. But it was a great game nonetheless.

stingerhs
07-28-2005, 01:50 AM
^^^^
agreed.

and i still say that the TSL storyline would have been nailed on the head if OE hadn't cut out a lot of content. even then, you have to give them kudos for churning out such an excellent game.

OE gets my vote, but they need to get the rights to a current-gen graphics engine (or make their own). i'll be very dissappointed to see the Oddessy engine being used again for Kotor 3.

MdKnightR
07-28-2005, 02:22 AM
My vote is for them to work together...and put more music from the 1st game into the 3rd.

Smilodon
07-28-2005, 03:07 AM
I would also welcome a coop between Bioware and Obsidian. They all had good ideas regarding gameplay features, and a storyline would also be np for them if you look at KOTOR and TSL. The only thing that might worry me is the propably new game engine and keeping of the original KOTOR flair from part I and II.

RedHawke
07-28-2005, 04:49 AM
I'm with the group that thinks Obsidian should do it... For the reasons Achilles gave above. ;)

Bastila
07-28-2005, 07:23 AM
Easy answere BioWare, after playing Jade Empire it still shows they are still great i chose them.

RevanA4
07-28-2005, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Bastila
Easy answere BioWare, after playing Jade Empire it still shows they are still great i chose them.

my thoughts exactly

Bob Lion54
07-28-2005, 09:42 AM
Since it's unlikely they will both work on it, eaither would be fine.

Both company's are more than capable, provided they have the time.

THE VIGILANTE
07-28-2005, 09:50 AM
^^^^

What makes you say that they won't do it?

I can understand Obsidian refusing to work on it, but BioWare?
I always thought that BioWare enjoyed making KOTOR type games (i.e. KotOR 1, Jade Empire).

Bob Lion54
07-28-2005, 10:02 AM
^^^^^
Money.


LA isn't going to want to pay 2 developers.

THE VIGILANTE
07-28-2005, 10:06 AM
^^^^

Oh yeah...

Money is starting to take the fun out of everything.

Oh well, I guess that BioWare could do it alone...

Soogz
07-28-2005, 11:13 AM
Yes, I want bioware to develop it. I want it to be almost like K1, concept speaking.

Hannibal
07-28-2005, 11:23 AM
I'm with the Bioware folks. Jade Empire is my KOTOR2.
I like the fact that Bioware looks to improve upon the previous work they've done. KOTOR2 should have been done on the Jade Empire engine. So I say Bioware should do KOTOR3 on that engine.

NWN made me a fan of Bioware but KOTOR cemented it. JE made me get down on one knee and propose.

If your wondering Bioware will not marry me. :(

Bastila
07-28-2005, 12:29 PM
Even tho i said BioWear i still think Obsidian did well, only thing wrong was ( a lot lol) i just think they should have made the story carrying on from Revan not the exile, even tho i did like the exile story, also they should have finished the game as well.

So which on out of them to gets it i don't mind but still i'd rather BioWear.

MdKnightR
07-28-2005, 12:34 PM
Okay, I admit, I am ignorant when it comes to video games other than KOTOR, Vice City, and SimCity. What is Jade Empire?

Bastila
07-28-2005, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by MdKnightR
Okay, I admit, I am ignorant when it comes to video games other than KOTOR, Vice City, and SimCity. What is Jade Empire?

Jade Empire is made by Biowear it's great i've played it 3 times ( 3 endings) it's like KOTOR but easy i think but very good story hears the site i'd get it if you like KOTOR http://jade.bioware.com/

Darth InSidious
07-28-2005, 12:45 PM
I'd LOVE a BioWare/Obsidian game. But it won't happen. BioWare is no longer collaborating with other companies (I'm pretty sure they made a statement to this effect), and Obsidian - well, after the disastrous way LA fiddled with TSL, I doubt they'll harbour any love for them....Failing the collaboration, a BioWare made KotOR III would be best. I'll pick strong storyline over neat features any day ;)

MdKnightR
07-28-2005, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Bastila
Jade Empire is made by Biowear it's great i've played it 3 times ( 3 endings) it's like KOTOR but easy i think but very good story hears the site i'd get it if you like KOTOR http://jade.bioware.com/

Thanks for the information, but curse you for showing me an incredible game that is only available on Xbox! :p Darn it!

Of course, when someone said Jade Empire, I was, of course, thinking of the Galactic Empire. That got me hoping that it was a new Star Wars game by Bioware. So much for wishful thinking, huh?

Bastila
07-28-2005, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by MdKnightR
Thanks for the information, but curse you for showing me an incredible game that is only available on Xbox! :p Darn it!

Of course, when someone said Jade Empire, I was, of course, thinking of the Galactic Empire. That got me hoping that it was a new Star Wars game by Bioware. So much for wishful thinking, huh?


KOTOR is on xbox and PC, so i take it you play it on PC then.

THE VIGILANTE
07-28-2005, 01:20 PM
^^^^

That would be the only option left.


Anyways...

Are there any ideas as to who will design the game if (in an unlikely event) BioWare and Obsidian refuse?

Darth Moeller said Ubisoft would be a good choice (and I have to agree since they are the ones making the videogame to Peter Jackson's King Kong).

Just a thought - Would Pandemic Studios do the job? They made the Clone Wars game and they are making the Empire at War game, so maybe they can design this one too?

Jeff
07-28-2005, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by THE VIGILANTE
Darth Moeller said Ubisoft would be a good choice (and I have to agree since they are the ones making the videogame to Peter Jackson's King Kong).
They also made the Myst games, the greatest adventure series of all time IMO.
Originally posted by THE VIGILANTE
Just a thought - Would Pandemic Studios do the job? They made the Clone Wars game and they are making the Empire at War game, so maybe they can design this one too?
I would rather have a well-known developer, but depending on how Empire at War turns out, maybe a possibility. But it is not very likely they will develop another Star Wars game I would think.

MdKnightR
07-28-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Bastila
KOTOR is on xbox and PC, so i take it you play it on PC then.

Very observant, you are, yes!

RevanA4
07-28-2005, 02:20 PM
me says bioware:p (pokes fun at people:xp:)

err I mean

I say bioware should do it

Smilodon
07-28-2005, 04:45 PM
Err just a question: is there any Star Wars game that was not published by Lucas Arts? :eyeraise:
Because some of you are talking about Ubisoft, just curious °_°

Hannibal
07-28-2005, 04:49 PM
The Lego SW game wasn't published by Lucas Arts.


edit: Check this (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150149) out over at the Swamp.

I hope it's true. This guy only has one post though.

Bob Lion54
07-28-2005, 04:51 PM
^^^^^^

LucasArts hold the right to Star Wars as it's owned by George Lucas. Even if they dont work on the game, they put their name on it. I think they are the distributer, but I'm not sure.

All the other company do the majority of the work.

EDIT: Hannibal beat me too it, but I think I'm right for the most part. Didn't know that about Lego Star Wars.

Smilodon
07-28-2005, 04:57 PM
Ah ic, thx for clearing up.

Considering the messed up QA of LA we all experienced, I would also wish to have another publisher, though it might be very unlikely ... 8[

Hannibal
07-28-2005, 05:10 PM
I think Bioware is a strong enough company to develop the game and fend of LucasArts at the same time. As a game developer it's their reputation thats on the line.

Rok_stoned
07-28-2005, 05:14 PM
Also, BioWare lacks Features but has the abilty to tell stories. Obsidian lacks the ability to tell stories, but has more features.

a good idea in theory but only one way to find out...

btw they need some people to do a new engine as "they" did before.

Darth InSidious
07-29-2005, 09:34 AM
In the (IMO very likely) event that Bioware and OE aren't asked, I think that they may well ask someone large and brand-name.

I think, however, a Bioware/OE combo would be good, since they seem to understand the gameplay best...

Bon Solar
07-29-2005, 09:35 AM
I think Bioware but just cut down the damn load times, boring..

If neither Bioware or Obsidian do it maybe R*? They have made GTA which is RPG like.

stingerhs
07-29-2005, 11:58 AM
well, if they were going to hand the game off to RockStar simply because San Andreas had a couple of RPG elements to it, you might as well go for a company that has put out more RPG's than anyone else: Square Enix. although, i will admit i'm not too keen about handing off a Star Wars game to those guys: things could end up getting really wierd. at least we would know for sure that they could make Kotor 3 a very good game.

General Kenobi
07-29-2005, 12:00 PM
How about Raven Software? Maybe they could tackle KOTOR III The Ancient Empire Returns or whatever :D

They seem to put out quality games from what I've seen personally.

:ben:
General Kenobi

Bon Solar
07-29-2005, 12:08 PM
They have made some good games like Elite Force and stuff :D so yer Raven might be good.

Darth InSidious
07-29-2005, 12:53 PM
On the other hand, they put out games like JA. It only just has a better plot than TSL, in that it has one, IMO.

Bon Solar
07-29-2005, 01:20 PM
Jedi Academy was alright, nothing special.

Hannibal
07-29-2005, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by General Kenobi
How about Raven Software? Maybe they could tackle KOTOR III The Ancient Empire Returns or whatever :D

They seem to put out quality games from what I've seen personally.

:ben:
General Kenobi

Raven has yet to develop their own engine. If you want KOTOR3 to be on the Quake 3 engine Raven is a good choice.

BTW I like the Jedi Knight games but Raven is no RPG developer.

Det. Bart Lasiter
07-30-2005, 02:38 AM
I liked K1 better, so I say BioWare, their game had a lighter feel to it, whereas K2 made me feel like I was the Exile's shrink...

Rok_stoned
07-30-2005, 08:07 PM
I liked K1 better, so I say BioWare, their game had a lighter feel to it, whereas K2 made me feel like I was the Exile's shrink...

yeah...

...kotor one felt good and fun kotor 2 was a bit depressing sorta like the new star wars movie hope fully the next one is lighter because the republic is rebuilding.

and @ hanibal could you not say death to ea its a local company where I live so...

Hannibal
07-30-2005, 11:55 PM
and @ hanibal could you not say death to ea its a local company where I live so...

Sorry, can't do anything for you.
If it helps I hope a better company takes its place after it dies and the employees get a company that cares about them.

lukeiamyourdad
07-31-2005, 12:54 AM
There has been a lot of studio being thrown around, but most of them are NOT RPG developers. Raven made some FPS, so did Pandemic.

On a side note, Pletogryph is making Empire at War NOT Pandemic Studios.

Rok_stoned
08-01-2005, 07:54 PM
maybe blizzard should take a crack at it they're pretty awesome and have proven they can work well with the D&D system and they're world renown for the're polish on each and every game.

Bob Lion54
08-01-2005, 08:02 PM
I still think Bioware is the best option with Obsidian a close second. Either company is fine, provided LA gives them the time to finish it.

Blizzard has made some good games, so I wouldn't hate the idea. It's not the best choice, though.

Rok_stoned
08-01-2005, 08:07 PM
some? all there games went gold ithink. but yeah bioware is my first choice regardless. as for la playing fair. It's easier getting Obsidian, bioware AND blizzard working together in a frozen hell with multiple personalities and then michael jackson playing with satan in the room next to him.

but it might happen.

lukeiamyourdad
08-01-2005, 09:05 PM
Be realistic. Blizzard doesn't like not being in control of their project, probably just like Bioware.
I understand it. It must be quite annoying having LA looking over your shoulder policing whatever you're doing.

stingerhs
08-02-2005, 12:37 AM
Raven has yet to develop their own engine. If you want KOTOR3 to be on the Quake 3 engine Raven is a good choice.

BTW I like the Jedi Knight games but Raven is no RPG developer.well, at the moment Raven is developing Quake 4, which utilizes Id's Doom 3 engine, so its not like they don't have the capabilities to produce a great looking game. but still, Raven isn't an RPG developer.

of course, i've stated it before and i'll state it again: why can't LucasArts develop Kotor 3 internally?? they have enough fiscal power to purchase rights to just about any graphics engine out there, much less hire the right people to get the job done right.

(Strider)
08-02-2005, 12:39 AM
^^^^

I agree with the parth that LA controls thier developers.

Anyways, I would like either BioWare or Ubisoft to do the game.

Prime
08-02-2005, 10:20 AM
I think Bioware and Obsidian are the only real options...

Bastila
08-02-2005, 02:56 PM
I read on the swamp that BioWare are using one of there engines for an untitled project. (wounder what that could be)

Hannibal
08-02-2005, 09:49 PM
of course, i've stated it before and i'll state it again: why can't LucasArts develop Kotor 3 internally??

One word for you, Obi-wan.

RevanA4
08-02-2005, 10:36 PM
@Hannibal why not just say death to microsoft they are worse than ea

and I have only one company I don't want making it MICROSOFT other than that bioware or OE are the best bet

lukeiamyourdad
08-02-2005, 11:54 PM
I don't think Microsoft would like to do it.

They publish more then they make themselves and their games are pretty good, unlike EA's whose policy is "churn out as much crap as you possibly can."

By the way, EA's games are way worse then Microsoft's. I mean, where was EA's Halo (made by Bungie, published by Microsoft)? Or AoE3? Or Forza Motorsport?

Lorden Darkblade
08-02-2005, 11:57 PM
I think Bioware should do it.
I liked KotOR1 a bit more then KotOR2.

General Kenobi
08-03-2005, 12:23 AM
I agree, :) Microsoft and Lucasarts now that would be a pair...lol

Neither would want to do what the other wanted I'd bet. "I"m the boss"...."No I'm the boss" ;)

stingerhs
08-03-2005, 12:49 AM
One word for you, Obi-wan.don't forget that LucasArts also developed Republic Commando internally as well. ;)

IceReaper
08-03-2005, 03:06 AM
I would like a Engine like the Doom3 Engine... Look at those shadows, they would be perfect for lightsaber duels.
And everything what the quake3 engine can do, can doom3 do too.
I spend a lot of time in modifying the doom3 engine, and i must say, its one of the best engines i know, and the effects would be great.
Even a RPG system should be possible to implent, when you see Lineage2 got a Unreal engine, it means it should realy be possible, and why not? ^^

edit: and about the developers... Models can be used in every game. all they need is to write the main code for another engine, but that cant be so hard, when i see what they already did!

(Strider)
08-03-2005, 04:29 AM
^^^^

That would be cool, but I think that LA likes to work with companies that they have worked with in the past.

lukeiamyourdad
08-03-2005, 10:02 PM
I dunno, the Doom3 engine seems to have "plastic" textures. It looks kinda weird and unless we really want a survival horror KotOR3, amazing lighting effects aren't that important.

Dashus
08-05-2005, 08:18 PM
Bioware, I believe, stated that they would never again do a Star Wars product. I don't have an exact quote or reference but I have seen this referenced on multiple boards. The most likely developer is Obsidian, though after NWN2.

General Kenobi
08-05-2005, 08:30 PM
Bioware, I believe, stated that they would never again do a Star Wars product.

I am betting that LucasArts is VERY hard to work with. I've seen interviews with ole' Georgie going on about how "hands on" he is with Star Wars. After probably 20,000 changes they said never again...lol

:ben:
General Kenobi

IndianaSolo
08-07-2005, 10:31 PM
I'd rather have Obsidian develop KOTOR III, mainly due to the fact they wrote KOTOR II and that story is a bit....wide open, so they probably have the best idea what they were attempting.

The Grey Ranger
08-08-2005, 09:56 AM
At this point Bioware has pretty much stated that they are only working on their own intellectual property. That leaves us with OE.

IndianaSolo
08-08-2005, 12:25 PM
At this point Bioware has pretty much stated that they are only working on their own intellectual property. That leaves us with OE.

Or another development house. All that means is it won't be Bioware, not that it will be Obsidian.

DuleLightSaber
08-08-2005, 12:43 PM
the should deffinetly work together bioware had good thing s that could contribute to the futer of gameing and obsidian had much better graphics and overall gameplay was more life like.... i had a much better time with kotor 2 than i did with kotor 1 but if the 2 game develpors put both things together it would be a overall sure win for game of the year.....
i mean think about it kotor 1 won over 40 game of the year awards and that means they did somthing rihgt but kotor 2 flew off the shelves so they too did somthing right....they would be better off working together....

lukeiamyourdad
08-08-2005, 01:02 PM
Bioware has a way of doing things.

Obsidian has a different way of doing things.

Bioware + Obsidian = Not good

eopiesdoor
08-08-2005, 01:46 PM
It doesn't matter who developes it if LA doesn't stop rushing unfinished games out the door. Don't get me wrong, I like LucasArts. They just need to stop being so strict with release dates.

Oh, and hello everyone. i'm new!

lukeiamyourdad
08-08-2005, 04:03 PM
Hello Welcome to SWK :)
Enjoy your time here!

Jeff
08-08-2005, 06:21 PM
It doesn't matter who developes it if LA doesn't stop rushing unfinished games out the door. Don't get me wrong, I like LucasArts. They just need to stop being so strict with release dates.
I agree with you. Going back to tsl, if they hadn't been strict with the christmas release, it could have been much better. Hopefully (and it seems they aren't going to with it not being scheduled till '08) they don't make the same mistake again.
Oh, and hello everyone. i'm new!
Welcome to the forums! :)

TheOssusKeeper
08-08-2005, 07:49 PM
maybe Bioware should do kotor 3, they could incorperate the same new stuff that Obsidion did... and make it more stable... however i am not knocking Obsidion because they were rushed to get the game out...

General Kenobi
08-08-2005, 07:52 PM
I agree with you. Going back to tsl, if they hadn't been strict with the christmas release, it could have been much better. Hopefully (and it seems they aren't going to with it not being scheduled till '08) they don't make the same mistake again.

I agree if they had taken some time The droid factory, planet and more could have been better in TSL not to mention the horrible "loose" ending. :D

:ben:
General Kenobi

IndianaSolo
08-08-2005, 07:54 PM
i don't really know who should do it, but i heard that Microsoft was in the process of buying out Bioware

Where did you hear that?

if thats the case i doubt that Lucasarts will work with them...

Why not? Lucasarts worked with them already, since KOTOR was sold on a Microsoft exclusive console.

General Kenobi
08-08-2005, 07:59 PM
Why not? Lucasarts worked with them already, since KOTOR was sold on a Microsoft exclusive console.

Well, think of it as this: Does every game/software application for Windows work with them? Not really ;) Other than assuring it runs on a platform etc.

Leave it to Microsoft to buy up the darn planet :rolleyes:

:ben:
General Kenobi

TheOssusKeeper
08-08-2005, 08:07 PM
actually i retract the bioware being bought by microsoft statement, i read that in an old post (Feb. 2004)... besides it was just rumor anyway... Bioware down played the rumors... you can do a web search to find all the relavent posts...

Rok_stoned
08-09-2005, 12:33 AM
I agree, Microsoft and Lucasarts now that would be a pair...lol

I can picture it now...

Take 1
micro:that way
LA: no that way.

take2
project leader: Whos idea was it to DOWN-GRADE kotors engine?
micro: he did it.

take3
Micro: i got the brain.
LA:nuh uh I got it

but anyways can we span beyond OE and bioware i get it every1 likes them id rather hear new ideas than just some posting OE and BIOWARE are my choices my nickname is gene aric. *picks nose* my MY mOM says that... *Picks nose furiously* falls asleep.

wow.

The Grey Ranger
08-09-2005, 01:21 AM
I'd like to see Obsidian do it, honestly. The storyline they did showed promise, but their developement timeline was too short for what they were trying to do. With a little luck they'd have a longer developement cycle and will have learned to better allocate the time they do have.

The Source
08-11-2005, 01:40 PM
I think Obsidian should do K3. Considering the position they were in, they made a hell of a game in record time. Was it the game that they wanted to make? No. But it was a great game nonetheless.

Come to think about it BioWare made 80% of the game, so Obsidian had very little to do...

The Source
08-11-2005, 01:41 PM
I'd like to see Obsidian do it, honestly. The storyline they did showed promise, but their developement timeline was too short for what they were trying to do. With a little luck they'd have a longer developement cycle and will have learned to better allocate the time they do have.

Hahahahaha...

IndianaSolo
08-11-2005, 03:21 PM
Come to think about it BioWare made 80% of the game, so Obsidian had very little to do...

Do you have something against Obsidian? I'm new here but it seems every thread you post in you make comments like that.

lukeiamyourdad
08-11-2005, 11:25 PM
More like ignorant comments.

They used the same engine to make a sequel.

It's as intelligent as saying id software made Medal of Honor Allied Assault.

The Grey Ranger
08-12-2005, 11:13 AM
The source, if you don't like the work Obsidian did, you can always vote with your gaming dollars and spend them somewhere else. I mean if you don't enjoy their games why waste your money on something you don't like? I personally will buy others products they publish (with certain reservations such as good reviews). I'm not trying to be insulting, just curious.

Prime
08-12-2005, 11:16 AM
Hahahahaha...Why's that funny?

IndianaSolo
08-12-2005, 06:03 PM
More like ignorant comments.

They used the same engine to make a sequel.

It's as intelligent as saying id software made Medal of Honor Allied Assault.

His post(s) has to be literally one of the dumbest I've seen on any forum.

By that estimation, Troika didn't make Bloodlines, Valve did.

All those Infinity Engine games? Then I suppose using his logic the only one that was actually difficult to make was the first one. The rest of them were basically 80% complete and just needed finishing touches.

Ignorance at its best.

ChAiNz.2da
08-12-2005, 10:04 PM
Enough of the Flaming already :rolleyes:

Please refer to General Rule #1 here:
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=128142

Take special note of the "Penalties"

Disagreement is one thing, but geesh... give it a rest...

Back on Topic....

TheLostWookie
08-22-2005, 06:35 PM
OE needs a break from power hungry LA, they would probably like to create their own original titles after NWN2

Even though they said they were going to focus on their own ip, I'd love to see Bioware work on kotor3, finish what they started with a grand conclusion.

If those two won't do it, then maybe Blizzard could be given the task, after all, Starcraft is being ignored (SCG is hardly anything special), so why not head into Star Wars

lol, going off topic with the blizzard comments, sorry:rolleyes:

anyway, K3 needs a great developer and as little input as possible from LA

THE MANDALORE
08-24-2005, 09:11 AM
KOTOR 3 should be made by BioWare. BioWare started it and they should finish it (assuming that there will only be 3 games).

Rok_stoned
08-29-2005, 12:35 AM
finish it? no no no... unlike telvision and movies i find the video games are not subjectable to the trilogy rule. although I think that at they very least if the third one is the end that they should make a spin of sorta game.

Ztalker
09-13-2005, 02:27 PM
I agree...

The Revan trilogie should be ended porperly by Bioware, and they should make a spin-off, too. I think they will choose for a whole new era. A Knight of the Old republic is a Jedi trained before the rise of the Empire. Maybe playing a Knight during the uprising of the Empire?

samhain232
09-25-2005, 02:52 AM
bioware should make the new kotor the second was alright too short and the ending was retarded

Mendagir
09-25-2005, 03:28 PM
Maybe Bioware should make KOTOR III, but they won't. As stated earlier and to be seen in BioWare's own news they don't want to work any longer on licenses stuff. That's why Obsidian has done KOTOR II and is up to make NWN 2. And I hope they will make KOTOR III too. Why, because Obsidian is working together with BioWare. In that relationship BioWare takes the role of an advisor or maybe Quality Assurance. But in the end it doesn't matter if Obsidian will do it or anyone else. LA will ensure that any Software developer getting on KOTOR III is a professional in the business. Experience in making good RPG's is fine, but if you have a given background and a given RPG system, experience is not so essentially. More essentially is that the future developers are Star Wars fans :-)

Concerning the story as far as I know LA - if not George Lucas himself - keeps track of all stories in the Star Wars universe. It doesn't matter if someone is writing a novel, a comic, sourcebooks for the pen and paper RPG or developing a Star Wars game. The story has to be accepted by LA, and nearly all of the stuff besides the films can be classified as canon for the expanded universe. (Kyle Katarn made it into the RPG sourcebooks).

The idea that Microsoft and LucasArts may work together on the development of the game itself sounds some kind of ridiculous to me. Did M$ developed one of their games themselves or did they only bought the companies that originally invented the games release my M$ (well, my most present example is Freelancer, my favourite game besides KOTOR I+II)? So I would M$ classify as a game publisher, not a game developer (and if they are developing games theirselves ... damned ... they should make use of their videogame rights on Shadowrun and make an awesome MMORPG).

Just my thoughts :-)

Greetings,
Mendagir

GalacticCowboy
09-25-2005, 04:31 PM
Obsidian and Bioware should do it as a joint effort combining the best of both worlds even though both are on the the bioware engine. Bioware came up with a better story but obsidian came up with some cool items and game play animations my only complaint about 2 was some of the trigers in the mech factory were left in and I kept feeling I was missing something.

FiEND_138
09-25-2005, 04:52 PM
OE.

Chris A. obviously has a direction he'd like the story to go, & personaly I wouldn't mind seeing where it ends up. Or it could be that I enjoyed the story from TSL more than K1's obvious from landing on Taris dream sequence plot twist. Though, thats probably just me...

Jeff
09-25-2005, 08:26 PM
Obsidian and Bioware should do it as a joint effort combining the best of both worlds even though both are on the the bioware engine. Bioware came up with a better story but obsidian came up with some cool items and game play animations my only complaint about 2 was some of the trigers in the mech factory were left in and I kept feeling I was missing something.That would make for an amazing game, I do admit. I doubt it would happen for money-related reasons, but it would be very cool if it did.

Vladimir-Vlada
09-26-2005, 09:23 AM
I believe that Bioware and Obsidian, if working together, would make a master piece. Otherwise, I'd say Bioware.

a_nazgul
10-01-2005, 12:28 AM
Bioware+Obsidia would be great, but unlikely. I think Bioware is a better option
Raven? may be,
What about Sir-Tech, Bethesda?

a_nazgul
10-01-2005, 12:52 AM
i mean, if just one of them do it, I prefer to bioware

AnarKy
10-03-2005, 01:04 AM
Obsidian could do a great job if they dont rush the game for chrismas this time. Bioware too but i dont want to see a kotor 3 that would be like jade empire, I hated the combat system.

TheExileReturns
10-04-2005, 01:00 AM
Lucas Arts will probably stick with obsidian since Bioware is only doing their own original games. I just hope they give Obsidian plenty of time to do a great story. No Hurry Guys, just do it right!

SW1
10-07-2005, 08:21 PM
i'd say obsidian as well. lucasarts pushed them to get the game out before they were ready, so the end was pretty crap. but look at the rest of the game! act 1 (peragus to telos) was good. act 2 (dantooine, nar shaddaa, onderon/dxun, korriban)... wait, except korriban... was awesome. so we know what obsidian can do if they have enough time

Jedi Pawn
10-11-2005, 09:18 PM
I would love to see Bioware do it, but they seem to be focused on developing their own properties. I wouldn't mind seeing Obsidian do it, as long as they're given the time they need to do the job. As for a Bioware/Obsidian collaboration, I don't see it happening, but it could definitely work. Heck, Baldur's Gate & BG2 were the standard RPG's were measured by for years, and they were Bioware/Black Isle (pre-cursor to Obsidian) collaborations.

Elven6
11-06-2005, 04:53 PM
You should have put a poll up for this but I think Obsidan should do it, if they were given the time that was truly intented it would have been a kik ass game but still with out it the fun part of the game is everytime you play the game something diffrent happens like you can search deeper into the lives of your part members and stuff a new experince everytime lol so I think it should be Obsidan and with TSLRP mod almost done you have to admit Obsidan had good ideas

The Doctor
11-06-2005, 04:59 PM
What about ActiVision? They dev'ed Armada II, and it was a good game.
I just hope it isn't done by Big Ape...

Vladimir-Vlada
11-06-2005, 05:59 PM
What about ActiVision? They dev'ed Armada II, and it was a good game.
I just hope it isn't done by Big Ape...
Keep in mind that KOTOR isn't a Strategy. So it is doubtful that someone would hire an experienced Strategy developer to make an RPG.

Or if they do hire them, then they have decieded to mix genres.

The Doctor
11-07-2005, 12:18 AM
ActiVision has done some good none-strategy games. But you're right, it was a pretty stupid idea.

Ztalker
11-07-2005, 09:16 AM
I think 'we' are save as long as Obsidian or Bioware makes it. They noth know how to work with the engine, and they both have original ideas.
In my opinion, Bioware should make it, but i know they won't.

See it this way: At least EA doesn't make it :p

Vladimir-Vlada
11-07-2005, 09:25 AM
I think 'we' are save as long as Obsidian or Bioware makes it. They noth know how to work with the engine, and they both have original ideas.

I know. But still I think that by combining the ideas from both developers, could end up with excellent results and little flaws to worry about. So I think that they should both make it to increase the quality of the thing.

And I also wish them both to make it, so that they could BURY Galaxies forever. :xp:

See it this way: At least EA doesn't make it :p
* Puts hand at the place where his heart is... *
Thank you fate!

Ztalker
11-09-2005, 09:22 AM
What is Galaxies? :p

Off course you are right. The two teams combined could create a fantastic game. The only thing i don't like, is that they develop Kotor for the Bill-Box first, then port it too PC.

I don't want to be arrogant or something, but i have a top-notch grapics card.
I can Play Fear, HL2 etc all on the highest, but Kotor won't allow it.
I think that's because of the X-Box.

Vladimir-Vlada
11-09-2005, 10:06 AM
The only thing i don't like, is that they develop Kotor for the Bill-Box first, then port it too PC.
I don't like that either. Because that's how we got screwed over for James Bond games, making awsome Bond games with vehicle driving, sneaking and interaction. While leaving the PC players with a boring FPS. ::

I think that's because of the X-Box.
Don't forget, that we also get:

Short storyline (not really that bad, but still...)
Bad animations
Small areas
No enough enemies
Not enough developed characters (case with KOTOR 2, which could have been avoided if the bad managers at Lucas Arts didn't rush the game to realese it at the same time as Revenge of the Sith :: )

And it's all because of the X-Box.

... Which uses a Geforce 3 graphpics card that is today, according to the standards, one of the poorest tools to create games with.

(Heh, heh! I hope that Bill will be able to afford a Geforce 4 if he sells enough X-Boxes :p)

Vladimir-Vlada
11-09-2005, 10:25 AM
Bioware has a way of doing things.

Obsidian has a different way of doing things.

Bioware + Obsidian = Not good

If I learnt anything in life... It is the fact that has held our world from turning into dust a long time ago because of different points of view. If those two, tried to battle each other to see whose way of doing things are they going to use, that would never work. We all can't have same opinions, nor can any of us give up occasional fighting; but we can agree and work together if we do. Bioware and Obisdian, if they work together, don't need to battle each others way of thinking, they can make a new, better and common way of thinking together by combining the good aspects from their both points of view. There would be arguing and there would be disagreement, but if either of them loosened when requiered, it would work out.

So I believe, that by combining both of them, we will get one of the best results possible for any game. So that's what I had to say...

DarkExcalibur42
11-09-2005, 11:18 AM
that's how we got screwed over for James Bond games, making awsome Bond games with vehicle driving, sneaking and interaction. While leaving the PC players with a boring FPS.

Don't Forget Halo, who's release to PC was delayed so that it could be the signature X-Box game

And PC gamers get screwed other ways too. Like Best Buy reducing the number of pc games it carries.

rhinomatt
11-21-2005, 05:19 PM
they should maby join up.

JediMaster12
11-21-2005, 07:44 PM
Having played KOTOR and TSL and experiencing both Bioware and Obsidian, it is my opinion as a Jedi to conclude that both should get together and create KOTOR 3. Obsidian added new things and Bioware created a great reality for the game setting. That is my opinion and my HK-47 unit agrees.
Statement: Bioware and Obsidian rock :yobi:

XA-R01
12-25-2005, 11:09 AM
I voted for ArenaNet, developer of Guild Wars.
If not, then I want BioWare/Obsidian made the story but using Half-Life 2 3D engine. No, I'm not talking about Troika's Vampire Masquerade Bloodlines. I'm talking about the graphic engine, so it still the Kotor we love with all of its D20 rules and combat system, but the 3D engine uses Valve's HL2.

Imagine Unknown Planet map built using HL2 engine. *drool*
Doom3 engine is a big no no.

Jae Onasi
12-25-2005, 01:53 PM
Having played KOTOR and TSL and experiencing both Bioware and Obsidian, it is my opinion as a Jedi to conclude that both should get together and create KOTOR 3. Obsidian added new things and Bioware created a great reality for the game setting. That is my opinion and my HK-47 unit agrees.
Statement: Bioware and Obsidian rock :yobi:

I don't know that this would work as well as everyone would like. In the ideal world, this would do well. However, in any business, someone has to have the final responsibility, and that means one company has to have the final say over something. Also, I don't think LA wants to pay 2 companies when it can pay just one. They want to make money, too. I'm not saying that one company can't consult the other for help, but only one company can ultimately carry the ball.
I'm with many others here--I'd rather have a good game than a rushed game. If we can wait 3 years for a movie, we can wait for a good game, too. :)