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shukrallah
08-07-2005, 11:37 PM
Im sure you have all heard about game prices rising to $60 with the next gen consoles. I've read it in a few places, but can't find any links :-\

So what do you think? To be honest, I don't think there is that much difference between current console games and next gen console games. We have reached the limit, anything it possible on a TV screen, all we can do is up the graphics more. I mean, sure photo realism is great, but its been possible on PCs for years. Why the price raise now?

Think about it, development can't cost that much more for higher resolution textures, and upping the polycount isn't that tough. Don't get me wrong, its not easy to model (Im working with Blender (http://www.blender.org) right now) but it really doesn't cost that much money to smooth things out more (in fact, in blender you just up the subdivision level and things look better and better)

With the video game fan base rising at the rate it is (VGs are the #1 form of entertainment around) the gaming industry really should be gaining more money than ever.

The only thing right now that hurts the gaming industry is piracy, which for current generation console games isn't a huge problem. How many PS2 roms, or GCN Roms do you see floating around on the web? Not many (well, I havn't been looking, so maybe my point is invalid?)

The fact is, these amazing graphics have been possible for years, but the computers/consoles back then couldn't handle them. Look at Pixar, amazing CG back in 1995!? Well, granted they probably used beefed up machines that could compete with computers of today.

So yeah, what do you think? Are these high prices fair? Or should prices be stuck at around $50?

ZBomber
08-07-2005, 11:51 PM
Nintendo raising prices? I find that hard to believe, since their whole goal of surviving is having lower prices than Sony and XBox.

Feanaro
08-07-2005, 11:59 PM
I find it hard to swallow paying $50 a game, though some games are worth it. $60 will only make me buy less games new. Unless they are sequals or games that friends have and such. I don't think they really need to up the price, but people will buy the and they know it. Are next-gen consoles were gonna be around the same price as ps2 and xbox? Or way more?

Katarn07
08-08-2005, 12:07 AM
X360 is said to only be $300, $350 at the most. So no, the machines themselves won't cost more. The price increase I've heard about and think is dumb. They should stay at $50 a game.

Lynk Former
08-08-2005, 12:09 AM
From what I hear, Nintendo is doing everything they can to make prices stay the same, at least on their end.

IG-64
08-08-2005, 12:39 AM
The fact is, these amazing graphics have been possible for years, but the computers/consoles back then couldn't handle them. Look at Pixar, amazing CG back in 1995!? Well, granted they probably used beefed up machines that could compete with computers of today.

I hope you realise it took days to render a single frame if it was complicated enough. Video games have to render in real time.

And, it's not just poly count that's getting better, theres more lighting, shaders (which need a whole aspect of video cards), physics, more AI, ect.

And for Nintendo, heres what Shigeru Miyamoto said in an interview: You know, in regard to the power of the Nintendo Revolution versus, say, the Xbox 360, we're looking at making a small, quiet, affordable console.
If you look at trying to incorporate all that, of course we might not have the horsepower that some other companies have, but if you look at the numbers that they're throwing out, are those numbers going to be used in-game? I mean, those are just numbers that somebody just crunched up on a calculator. We could throw out a bunch of numbers, too, but what we're going to do is wait until our chips are done and we're going to find out how everything in the game is running, what its peak performance is, and those are the numbers that we're going to release because those are the numbers that really count.

Astrotoy7
08-08-2005, 06:31 AM
Im sure you have all heard about game prices rising to $60 with the next gen consoles. I've read it in a few places, but can't find any links :-\

So what do you think?

Im thinkin shiver me timbers and prepare to walk the plank type stuff :p

paying full retail price for games is for suckers. Im not one of those "gotta get it at midnite" type of guys, so wait a bit, shop around, check out the trader and online markets and within 2-3 weeks of release you can get anything new at 60% of the price those tossers at EB try to pull on you...

...because those are the numbers that really count....

um, no the numbers that really count for any company are $$$ So if Nintendo are gunning to be cost competitive then it is an excellent marketing decision...Let's just hope they and the devs that are in their pocket can deliver as far as a wider range of good titles and a longer life on the console...

mtfbwya

toms
08-08-2005, 11:35 AM
Don't the prices always seem to go up when new generations of consoles come out? At least the RRPS... but pretty soon either the manufacturers or the retailers are discountng them in price wars with each other and the prices usually seem to settle down to the usual level.

That said, producing the amount of content that is needed for games these days dows mean that they have massive budgets... so i guess they might try and push the proces up.

As for the piracy argument. Don't buy it. Never have. Piracy of console games is common (PS2 and xbox) but that doesn't mean its more than about 2% of all sales, and the idea that each downloaded game is a "lost sale" is just crazy. Retailers in all areas always say that piracy (and fare dodging etc..) put prices up for everyone.. but whenever they manage to cut it the prices never go down. The two are unrelated.

I think the opening prices for the first games on the first console will be high, because they will be loosing so much on the console and want to get it back. And they know "early adopter types" will pay anything. But as soon as a second console launches they will start ctting prices, then the second console will follow suit. Then we will be back to where we were.

shukrallah
08-08-2005, 01:19 PM
I hope you realise it took days to render a single frame if it was complicated enough. Video games have to render in real time.

And, it's not just poly count that's getting better, theres more lighting, shaders (which need a whole aspect of video cards), physics, more AI, ect.


Yes, I know, but today they have motion capture and computer programs that generate that stuff with ease. Look at MGS, movie quality cutscenes rendered by your console in real-time, not prerendered. Real facial experesions and realistic movement (because of motion capture) but yeah, still amazing.

jokemaster
08-08-2005, 01:51 PM
Funny thing is games are rising in price and dropping in gameplay length. So I find myself renting a lot more games than I buy, if the price raises, I may find myself only buying one or two games a year.

Katarn07
08-08-2005, 02:01 PM
Prices of rentals seem to be on the rise. I learned Blockbuster plans on raising the game rental price to 7.99. WHAT?! Hollywood still has games at 5.99 and a special 'rent one, get one free' deal for all the older games. Just the newest releases don't apply to that. Pretty damned good deal if you ask me. I would rather run out and buy a used game rather than renting it for $8 personally.

I usually rent a game from work before committing to buy. I will definately rent rather than buy on all X360 titles unless they're a gift.

jokemaster
08-08-2005, 02:05 PM
^I have the pass where you pay monthly, can rent one game at a time, keep it as long as you want. This month i've rented + finished 6 games.

Katarn07
08-08-2005, 02:15 PM
Well I as an employee (this week of both stores) get free rentals so don't need to worry about prices. But if I didn't have free rentals, I'd do as I said and get the used stuff.

jokemaster
08-08-2005, 02:50 PM
Yeah, but in my store after a game's been out for 6 months the lowest price is still around 15 bucks. I pay 20 bucks monthly for the rental thing, and I rent at least 4 games a month. Which means I'm saving money.

ET Warrior
08-08-2005, 03:57 PM
Yeah, but in my store after a game's been out for 6 months the lowest price is still around 15 bucks. I pay 20 bucks monthly for the rental thing, and I rent at least 4 games a month. Which means I'm saving money.

Only if you're the kind of person who plays one video game almost exclusively till you've beaten it and the set it on the shelf. If that's the case then that's a perfect deal.

I like to be able to swap between new and old video games whenever I get the itch to play one of them, so it would be really inconvenient if I had to run to the store to pick up a new game everytime I wanted to play something else.

As for price rise in video games, I can't say it's unexpected. What with natural inflation, in addition to the fact that new video games require a veritable army of coders/modelers/writers/designers, there are a LOT of people to pay. I'm not necessarily happy about it, but it makes sense.

Lynk Former
08-08-2005, 04:59 PM
To be honest 95% of games are only worth renting and people don't realise it. Well they do when they finish it so easily and then go "damn, well I'll just trade it in for something else"

Katarn07
08-08-2005, 05:01 PM
All 12 or 13 games I own I'm glad I own and play time and time again. Well, save for Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, but that was a gift. I didn't waste my money on that. I will take that as a lesson not to rush out and buy a sequel to a game, no matter how great the original is. All the other games I bought impulsively I sold with little loss, so it was almost just like renting them.

TiE23
08-08-2005, 07:38 PM
I heard Perfect Dark and Project Gotham 3 were going to be $60. The others will probably be $50... remember WC3? Or was that the collector's edition? Meh...

shukrallah
08-08-2005, 10:36 PM
As for price rise in video games, I can't say it's unexpected. What with natural inflation, in addition to the fact that new video games require a veritable army of coders/modelers/writers/designers, there are a LOT of people to pay. I'm not necessarily happy about it, but it makes sense.

Yeah, but its not like they don't have teams right now while games are $50. They have armies now, some VG credit lists are longer than some movies, yet $50 is the price to pay an army now. Later on prices will rise because its next gen? I don't think so.

STTCT
08-08-2005, 10:54 PM
Rent! I have Blockbuster online and I pay $14.99 a month. I get 3 dvds out at one time and as many movies as I want a month. I also get 2 coupons a month for a free movie/game rental. I usually rent the games. Also Blockbuster has used games for Buy 2 get one free. Which I usually act upon. So I only buy a game if I know I'll love it or play it over and over again for Multiplayer action. Otherwise - its rent time for me.

ET Warrior
08-08-2005, 11:17 PM
Yeah, but its not like they don't have teams right now while games are $50. They have armies now, some VG credit lists are longer than some movies, yet $50 is the price to pay an army now. Later on prices will rise because its next gen? I don't think so.

Why not? With increased machine power comes increased manpower needed to create games. they will take longer to make and more people to do it. It makes perfect sense that the price will increase BECAUSE it is next gen.

jokemaster
08-09-2005, 01:06 AM
Only if you're the kind of person who plays one video game almost exclusively till you've beaten it and the set it on the shelf. If that's the case then that's a perfect deal.

I like to be able to swap between new and old video games whenever I get the itch to play one of them, so it would be really inconvenient if I had to run to the store to pick up a new game everytime I wanted to play something else.

As for price rise in video games, I can't say it's unexpected. What with natural inflation, in addition to the fact that new video games require a veritable army of coders/modelers/writers/designers, there are a LOT of people to pay. I'm not necessarily happy about it, but it makes sense.

These days I find that there are few games that I find myself thinking about replaying. And those I think would be worth it are the ones I buy, almost always used.

acdcfanbill
08-09-2005, 01:10 AM
Myamoto is a stud.

Lynk Former
08-09-2005, 07:59 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/lynk/miyamotopimp.jpg

BongoBob
08-09-2005, 09:17 PM
That's why it's good to have friends that are spoiled rotten, I just borrow most of my games nowadays. The last game I bought was Morrowind the other week, and it was 15 bucks and I wanted to buy it on xbox anyways, pc was even better. July 18 was the last time before that I bought a game, and taht was meteos becuasse I had a 6 hour car ride ahead of me.

Personally, I will buy alot of 360 games because I will play them alot. Perfect Dark Zero I will get simply because it's perfect dark, and I've been waiting for this game for years now.

*looks at sig*

BOUGHT!

:D

Jo
08-09-2005, 09:27 PM
Well for the most part i wait till games are out for some time to play them. I get them cheaper. And if prices go up, I'll definately continue to use the same practice. Me and my friends also try and let each other borrow games as needed. Being a PC only guy though at times my options get limited. I think i may end up buying the PS3 though who knows..by the time i buy one PS2 games will come WAY down in price and ill buy all those games i never have gotton to play (epIII :()

toms
08-10-2005, 09:30 AM
Originally Posted by toms in completely the wrong thread

http://www.gamefly.com/

2 games at a time as long as you want. Others do other deals where tou pay more per month depending on how many you want at the same time.

I'm a bit of a collector/hoarder unfortunatley... but i know in my heart that (having ended up with hundreds of worthless vhs tapes) i would be better off on one of these unlimited dvd/game rental deals than collecting a huge pile that i will never use.

That said, i buy almost all games, cds and dvds second hand (shop or ebay). They are one of the few commodities you can buy second hand and the quality can be as good as new.

Prime
08-10-2005, 11:25 AM
If the games are worth it, I'm willing to pay more...

shukrallah
08-10-2005, 03:43 PM
The only game series I would be willing to pay $50 for and not regret it would be Zelda, and Metal Gear Solid. I would pay more than that for those games, actually. I have found these for cheaper prices (Master Quest $30, WindWaker $20 (NEW!), MGS Twin Snakes $20 (NEW!). $50 for the new Zelda won't bug me either, because I know I won't beat that game in a week. I know I will get quality, replay value and more. With the MGS Series I get a great storyline and amazing gameplay. Everytime I play I find something new and exciting. It just sucks that these games have no multiplayer.

jokemaster
08-10-2005, 03:56 PM
Actually, the new version of MGS3 will come with online multiplayer. only for PS2 though.

shukrallah
08-10-2005, 04:07 PM
Yeah, I plan to buy a PS2 when the price drops, or when I get a job. Soon current gen game prices should drop. I can't wait till everyone starts trading in GCN and PS2 games, because of the new consoles. You know, kids need money for new games, and they will dump their olds ones for new ones. Hopefully Gamestop and EB will drop prices a bit to.

You know, I walked into GameStop a while back and saw a big basket (big.. like as big as a table) with old N64 games. The highest priced game was $15 (I think) and that was a popular title, like M64 or something. The majority were at between $5 and $10. Thats excellant, in a few years these games will be like that (I hope) The consoles backwards compatability might not make this happen, but we will see.

Lynk Former
08-11-2005, 12:41 AM
I traded in all my N64 stuff for the GCN generation... how I regret doing that... hopefully Nintendo's virtual console library will be large enough to get all my games back and more for the Revolution.

BongoBob
08-11-2005, 01:09 AM
It's looking more and more like I'm going to have to sell all my belongings for 360.

How much ya think I can get for my modded xbox : |

Katarn07
08-11-2005, 04:16 AM
I dunno if I wanna get a X360 right away. I was gonna get two and sell one on eBay to make up some of the money paid. I thought better of that idea and thought better of blowing $300-$350 on this. I will probably wait until next year and see the game selection first. Godfather and Gun are the only ones I would really really be interested in atm, but those are gonna be basic XBOX titles as well.

Mex
08-11-2005, 08:38 AM
I have enough trouble getting games now, how am I going to get any if the prices continue to rise? This is just going to lead to more piracy, more arrests, more unhappy customers. The games industry is going to lose cash because of this. If they raise it they're not going to get as much child-teenage customers which are their primary targets.

Lynk Former
08-11-2005, 09:29 AM
Yesh, game prices are a little higher, more piracy, game prices go higher BECAUSE of piracy, MORE piracy... what a nice little circle we've found.

"Yes Simba, the great circle of morons."

toms
08-11-2005, 11:12 AM
I guess they are figuring that kids ARENT their primary target anymore. The primary target for the 360, PS2 & PSP is twenty-thirty-somethings with lots of disposable income... (and parents who get pestered by their kids).

Thats part of why they are turning the consoles into home entertainment systems rather than just games consoles.

Frankly I think it would be reasonably daft to buy a 360 until the PS3 comes out... partly because you won't know which is best until then, and partly because the prices will drop sharply once the PS3 comes out.

But some people need to be on the cutting edge, not matter how much it costs. Whihc i understand entirely as I'm a bit like that myself. (just not with games)

IG-64
08-11-2005, 11:28 AM
Yesh, game prices are a little higher, more piracy, game prices go higher BECAUSE of piracy, MORE piracy... what a nice little circle we've found.

"Yes Simba, the great circle of morons."

... No, things like this (http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/615/615249/gears-of-war-20050517012709709.jpg) and this (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/607/607122p1.html) raise the prices. And if the piraters weren't going to buy the game anyways, then there is no loss in sales. And I never even pirate games.

shukrallah
08-11-2005, 10:08 PM
Right now I don't think that better graphics are upping the cost of games. If the current consoles could support graphics like that they would look like that. Gameplay will be better for some games, but others will be average first person shooters, or stategy games. I really don't see how improved graphics means they need to up the price.

The distributers of pirated software mostly don't care about the game, just the profit they can make (im talking about illegal CD copies, in Mexico they sell bootlegs for like $5). The gamers who grab the pirated software for free, or at a reduced price would buy the real one if the bootleg wasn't available (well, some of them, some would go without)

Basically the devs are saying that they should have made a profit for every copy of the game distributed. If I have a bootleg, they didn't get the money. They consider it a loss. :-\

If anything, this generation made a bigger leap in graphics, than the next generation will. I would even say the previous generation was better than this one (with the 3D transition) Look at the difference:

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/244/games4qe.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Doom 3 still costed $50, and had amazing graphics. HL2 was around $55. But the difference is HL2 had 5 + years of development right? I doubt most $60 next gen games will have 5 or more development years, 2 or 3 at the most. Crap companies like EA pop out sequals every year, and will gladly add the $60+ price tag.

Lynk Former
08-11-2005, 11:20 PM
... No, things like this (http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/615/615249/gears-of-war-20050517012709709.jpg) and this (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/607/607122p1.html) raise the prices. And if the piraters weren't going to buy the game anyways, then there is no loss in sales. And I never even pirate games.
Yes, I am fully aware of that, but anyone who thinks piracy does nothing to impact prices is an idiot, no offense. And piracy has grown massivly over time, it's a case of demand, more and more people have discovered how easy it is to get games for free or for a lower price through some sort of illegal form.

TiE23
08-12-2005, 04:07 AM
Should I get this? Or is it too late? Or something?

http://cgi.ebay.com/CRYSTAL-Clear-XBOX-System-Case-Limited-Edition-Cover_W0QQitemZ8210835754QQcategoryZ20385QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

toms
08-12-2005, 11:31 AM
So you are saying the jump from this
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/n64/wwfnomercy/wwfnomercy_test_screen002.jpg
(blurry intersecting boxes that your brain can just about rationalise into human forms)

to this
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/110/reviews/920641_20050421_screen005.jpg
(fully skinned, recognisable not just as human, but as specific humans, bump mapped, specularly lighted forms)

is smaller than the jump from this
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/213/reviews/928568_20050802_screen010.jpg
(detailed humans, shaded, lighted, shadowed)

to this http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancysghostrecon3/screens.html?page=31
(slightly more detailed humans, more whizzy effects, slightly better lighting & bump mapping)
???
The graphical leap might not be as big in real observable terms between generations as it has been in the past, but the amount of extra resources, staff, detail, polish and budget that needs to go into games these days is huge compared to what it was in the past. This is part of the cost. I suspect the major part of the cost increase 9if one happens ) will be down to the fact that MS and Sony will be making such huge losses on the expensive hardware needed to power modern games that they will need to increase licensing fees to get any money back.
I suspect this is why Nintendo have said that this generation's power vs graphical results ratio isn't really worth it, and to a certain extend MS and Sony have admitted the same.

---

As for piracy. If people were selling pirated games in mainstream shops so profits were being diverted from the publishers then it might put prices up. But as it is very few pirated games are SOLD. Most age just downloaded free (and even then only a small percentage of the retail numbers).

But comparing what people collect when it is given away for free with phat people would actually pay for to determine an amount of money lost is just stupid.
If a guy was standing in the street handing out free boy band cds I might well take one... but i wouldn't have ever paid for it. So the shop further down the road could hardly claim it had lost £12 for every person who took one.
Not only that, the odds are I'd never even listen to it. It would just get stuck in a corner, forgotten and then thrown out. The only reason I'd take it is because its people's natural tendancy to grab free stuff "just incase" it might be good, or it might not be free for much longer.

I suspect a lot of people who download games, music, movies, tv etc.. do so because its there and free, not because they will actually watch/play it. The ammount most people download means most wouldn't have TIME in their life to keep up. Its just the hoarding instinct.

Add to that the fact that most people only have a limited amount of time and money for games/dvds/cds etc.. and that also limits the max amount of money that industry could loose. I'd never buy more than 2 cds a month. It doesn't matter if I'm downloading nothing, 10 songs a month or 2,000 albums a month. I'd still only be costing them a max of 2 albums profit.

Add to THAT the fact that most downloaders still buy products, infact most downloaders are hardcore fans/collectors/horders and so on average downloaders BUY MORE dvds/games/cds than the average non-downloader.

I know loads of people who have professional software like Photoshop on their pcs. The software industry would claim that is thousands of pounds in lost revenue. In actual fact most of those people don't use it regularly. Most don't use even 10% of its features. NONE of them would have paid even £50 for it, let alone £300 or whatever they are charging for it. So they claim they have lost thousands, in actual fact they have lost nothing.

Pirate downloads might have at most a 5% impact in terms of lost sales... but then the GCN is the only console that doesn't have pirated games, and its games are more expensive than PS2 or XBOX ones... so how does that work?

shukrallah
08-12-2005, 01:45 PM
The games for GCN aren't more expensive, are they? I always thought the GCN prices dropped faster than other consoles. It might depend on the game.

Im saying the transition from 2D sprites to 3D models was huge. From the SNES we have the N64 and the PlayStation. After that there was a huge jump in graphic/sound quality with the PS2, Xbox, and GCN. And now, we are upping the standard only a little bit. Maybe my post wasn't clear. I am saying that next gen consoles aren't doing anything but making games look a little better. The current consoles would have had games like that years ago, if they had the specs to support them.

I know I won't buy a $60 game. I normally wait and buy a lot of $20 games. If I have a PS2 when subsistence comes out, I will probably pay $50 for that, because I know its worth it (3 games in one, plus MGS online? thats too good to be true) but as for most games, I wait a while.

jokemaster
08-12-2005, 02:06 PM
Yeah, I mean this gen I found myself buying a lot less games. In fact most of the games I've bought are PC games, I mostly rent console games like I stated above. Thing is, even though they look better and all that, they're not that long anymore (or maybe I wasn't as good at them), and most of the multiplayer games I'd buy, I only need one in each genre I'm interested in, especially FPSs, since about 90% of them have the same basic multiplayer.

acdcfanbill
08-12-2005, 02:06 PM
As for piracy. If people were selling pirated games in mainstream shops so profits were being diverted from the publishers then it might put prices up. But as it is very few pirated games are SOLD. Most age just downloaded free (and even then only a small percentage of the retail numbers).

But comparing what people collect when it is given away for free with phat people would actually pay for to determine an amount of money lost is just stupid.
If a guy was standing in the street handing out free boy band cds I might well take one... but i wouldn't have ever paid for it. So the shop further down the road could hardly claim it had lost £12 for every person who took one.
Not only that, the odds are I'd never even listen to it. It would just get stuck in a corner, forgotten and then thrown out. The only reason I'd take it is because its people's natural tendancy to grab free stuff "just incase" it might be good, or it might not be free for much longer.

I suspect a lot of people who download games, music, movies, tv etc.. do so because its there and free, not because they will actually watch/play it. The ammount most people download means most wouldn't have TIME in their life to keep up. Its just the hoarding instinct.

Add to that the fact that most people only have a limited amount of time and money for games/dvds/cds etc.. and that also limits the max amount of money that industry could loose. I'd never buy more than 2 cds a month. It doesn't matter if I'm downloading nothing, 10 songs a month or 2,000 albums a month. I'd still only be costing them a max of 2 albums profit.

Add to THAT the fact that most downloaders still buy products, infact most downloaders are hardcore fans/collectors/horders and so on average downloaders BUY MORE dvds/games/cds than the average non-downloader.

I know loads of people who have professional software like Photoshop on their pcs. The software industry would claim that is thousands of pounds in lost revenue. In actual fact most of those people don't use it regularly. Most don't use even 10% of its features. NONE of them would have paid even £50 for it, let alone £300 or whatever they are charging for it. So they claim they have lost thousands, in actual fact they have lost nothing.

Pirate downloads might have at most a 5% impact in terms of lost sales... but then the GCN is the only console that doesn't have pirated games, and its games are more expensive than PS2 or XBOX ones... so how does that work?

all i can say is, why are you in charge of the entertainment industry? Everyone in the industry thinks their profit margins should be higher, but ffs, there is only so much money in the american economy to spend, and its pretty much being spent, credit card debt is higher than ever, many people are swamped by debt, and corperations think we are ripping them off?

Astrotoy7
08-12-2005, 02:24 PM
....many people are swamped by debt, and corperations think we are ripping them off?

good ole capitalism :D

I would like to now the actual markup in a game... eg. how much it costs per unit to actually develop, test, distribute and market a game - and compare this to the recommended retail....

mtfbwya

Lynk Former
08-13-2005, 11:58 PM
GCN games are more expensive because they're not on standard DVD discs.

TiE23
08-14-2005, 12:29 AM
GCN games are more expensive because they're not on standard DVD discs.
Yah, they're on half size, custom made DVD discs. >__>
Devs have to compress some things to avoid using two discs.
They aren't more expensive.....

jon_hill987
08-14-2005, 04:44 AM
Think yourself lucky in the UK you already have to pay £45 (81.6541 USD) for a new release console game and some PC games are around that aswell.

Hence I just bought black and white on the $old out lable for £5, if the games get expencive don't buy them untill they drop the price, if everyone does that the will have to reduce the release price.

Bastila
08-14-2005, 09:14 AM
When i new game come s out i want i wait for a while or go on ebay, as £40 £35 to me is to much, but when KOTOR II came out i brough it full price first day and the same with ROTS game other wise it is to much to spend on a game.

Lynk Former
08-14-2005, 12:07 PM
Yes, GCN games are more expensive because of the fact that GOD (GameCube Optical Discs) aren't standard and readily available as standard DVDs. And here's the part that I love... It's also because GCN games don't sell as well as PS2 and Xbox games, That's why they're more expensive. To add to that, in Australia games are more expensive than in the US because we have such a small population. Smaller population = less games sold = more expensive for the company = more expensive games.

Elijah
08-15-2005, 01:35 AM
Increased price is going to lead to pirating... or friends lending friends copies of copies and so on... I think if the prices get jacked more, it will be a problem... Im not to concerned because I hardly EVER touch games any more, but this is simply my opinion of what would happen

CapNColostomy
08-15-2005, 03:13 AM
Increase in prices for games=more money spent buying games. And zero chance of increase in piracy. Why? Well for one, you titties, it still costs money to pirate. So if pirated goods cost more to make by the pirates, doesn't it stand to reason...You know what, nevermind that. It's also because you and everyone else on this planet, are idiots and will put up with it because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING we can do about it. That's why. Don't believe me? Ask yourself this. How many people do you hear saying "BY GAWD IF THE GAS PRICES GET ANY HIGHER, I'M WALKIN', RIDIN' A BIKE, TAKIN' A BUS/CAB" or whatever. Now notice how many of those people follow through with any of those things. That's right, none. Same with tobacco. "WELP, I ALWAYS DID SAY IF THEY EVER GOT TO OVER A DOLLAR A PACK, I'D BE DONE WITH THE DAMNED THINGS. AND I'M A SORRY, LYING SONUVABITCH THAT'S THREE BUCKS AND SOME CHANGE IN THE RED, AND SPORTING A WEIRD GROWTH ON MY LEFT LUNG."

ZBomber
08-15-2005, 04:19 AM
That's different (for me atleast). I'm not a rabid gamer, I can do without video games.

Getting places is REAL LIFE. :p Not buying video games is a lot easier than not buying gas or tobacco.

I'm sure there will be a drop in ammount of people buying new games if the prices do go up. If I want to play a video game, I have Dark Forces: Jedi Knight, Super Smash Brothers Melee, and Rebel Strike, I don't need anything else.

The only new game thats tempting me at all is the new SSBM.

CapNColostomy
08-15-2005, 04:23 AM
Okay then, let me put it terms you can understand. The prices of pornography has gone up over the years. Just like the prices of EVERYTHING ELSE. Hell, the cost to get into regular movies has gone up over time. Cigarettes and gas were just examples. Porn has only gotten bigger. And bigger. Much like the crotches of those who watch it, strangely enough.

ZBomber
08-15-2005, 04:56 AM
\Porn has only gotten bigger. And bigger. Much like the crotches of those who watch it, strangely enough.

:rofl:

Lynk Former
08-15-2005, 11:00 AM
despite CapN's stupid rambling he did make a point. The price of everything has gone up and we can't do jack about it... so unless you're amish, live with it.

:p

Elijah
08-15-2005, 12:45 PM
As ZBomber said, I can do without Videogames, I DO without them, I never play video games, nor do I smoke or buy porn. I see no problems, besides gas... I still say my prediction is true, but who knows?

acdcfanbill
08-16-2005, 09:19 PM
I smoke twice as much to makeup for Zdawg :p also, i buy very few video games for the amount of playing i do, of course, since most of it is done on Jedi Knight titles, its easy to see why i dotn have time to devote to others, but i can see games rising in price, economy is in an upturn atm.

ChAiNz.2da
08-17-2005, 03:53 PM
Well, it's been declared... 2 different prices available for the Xbox360.

I can only wonder if the PS3 will follow suit when it's released...

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/17/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm?cnn=yes