View Full Version : Revan, dark by default

08-08-2005, 03:57 PM
*Possible spoilers ahead!*

Was Revan supposed to turn to the dark side in KotOR?

In the beginning of KotOR II the Jedi Knights are almost totally wiped out. What happened? Was it the battle at Malocor V? Was it the work of those three Sith? Or did Revan do it? Did Revan return to the dark side and regain control of the Sith? I would guess a combination of the three.

While you can beat KotOR light or dark I think "officially" Revan ends up turning back to the dark side after finding out his/her true identity. He/she regains control of the Sith and continues to reek havoc on the Republic until he finds out about this new threat from the outer rim. Then he leaves, never to be heard from again.

Another thing that led me to this conclusion is that Atton when you first talk to him mentions Revan killing his old apprentice and taking control of the Sith. You can correct him and tell him that Revan saved the Republic, but Revan being dark is default.

So Revan defeated his old apprentice and regained control of the Sith. He then continued his war against the Republic for maybe another year or so, killing many Jedi, until he found out about this new threat from the outer rim.

What does everyone think? Does my theory have merit?

08-08-2005, 04:13 PM
I dunno, if you DO say he/she is LS there is strong proof of it. e.g
Carth becomes and Admiral, Bastillas recording is inside T3, when at Ajunta Puals tomb on Korriban Kreia says Revan freed Ajunta Pual, but she dissaproved of that. There are tons of *hint hint* moments in the game telling you Revans alignment depending on what you said to Atton. I believe the reason Atton said Revan was DS is because before he/she was captured he/she WAS DS, I mean revan was THE SITH LORD. can't get much more Ds than that ;)
Just my 2 cents :)

08-08-2005, 04:51 PM
That does make a lot of sense. Maybe I should have thought about my theory a little bit more...

But how were so many Jedi killed in such a short time span?

08-08-2005, 05:22 PM
They were hunted down and killed by the Sith in the Jedi Civil War against Malak, many of them already killed or turned to the dark side by Revan before in the Mandalorian Wars. The few who remained were further decimated by Sith Assassins who were trained to resist mind affecting to make them even more deadly against Jedi.

A last secret gathering of Jedi was on the planet of Katarr (the homeworld of Visas), but they were located and destroyed together with the planet by Darth Nihilus through the force.

08-08-2005, 05:29 PM
Ok, ok. My theory was crap. I guess I should play through KotOR I and II again to catch stuff I missed the first two or three times.

08-11-2005, 12:21 AM
he is so evil. thats it.

08-11-2005, 09:33 AM
The male lightside ending is the canon ending according to Lucasarts...

08-11-2005, 03:37 PM
The male lightside ending is the canon ending according to Lucasarts...

Which is kind of silly, in my opinion. Why give people the choice to decide for themselves and then say, "well it's *really* like this...".

I have a hard time imagining Revan as a male, that's the "problem" when you get to choose yourself. You make up your own mental images which stick with you. :)

It's pretty obvious from Obsidian's point of view at least that they pictured Revan as a man, since the game refers to Revan as "he/him" about 50% of the time even when you've told Atton at the start that Revan was a woman.

Bioware was a lot better in that respect, the only fixed gender references to Revan I could notice in KotOr1 were in a few of Canderous stories. And he could at least be excused (before the revelation anyway) for not knowing the gender of the supreme commander of their opponents when she's wearing a rather gender neutral outfit and a mask whenever she's appearing in public. :)

Even if I don't think there should be any default "Revan was like this", I personally think lightside at KotOR1 makes more sense, since it makes it into a classic StarWars redemption story.

Char Ell
08-11-2005, 11:46 PM
I've heard that the "canonical" ending for KotOR is Revan as a LS male. I'm not saying that Prime's statement is wrong or anything but I'm curious as to who from LucasArts actually stated this.

I agree with stoffe that saying Revan was really a LS male makes the game lose its luster somewhat when you can play the game however you want, male/female, LS/DS. I guess it does make sense that GL or someone has to establish the actual "history" of the Star Wars Universe where Revan is concerned. Otherwise I guess the Star Wars guys would have to start delving into parallel universes or something else out in left field...

08-12-2005, 01:25 AM
revan was a lightsider in my oppion becuase think about all the stuff kreia says to u


remeber reven trained dudes and dudets to be effective at killing jedi which they wernt all killed and prolly still hated them like atton and killed becuase of the way they could hide their thoughts and feelings as to wat there gona do plus the exhange had hk 50s attaking and killing jedi who defended themsleves by the way HK 47 rules

08-12-2005, 10:38 AM
Which is kind of silly, in my opinion. Why give people the choice to decide for themselves and then say, "well it's *really* like this...".Well, it isn't just for the KOTOR games. It is the blanket statement from Lucasarts for all games. The lightside ending is the canonical story for the JK series as well, for example. I believe the reason is so that they can incorporate the stories into the official Star Wars timeline. Kyle Katarn appears in other books and games, and so his official story needs to be determined to some extent. Since Kyle can become emperor of the galaxy in JK, that doesn't work very well for the overall SW timeline. :) Similarly, Darkhorse is starting a new KOTOR era comic series in the fall, and so there needs to be a canonical version of the events of KOTOR and TSL from which they can build off of...

I think it is a good idea in the end. I'd rather they pick a version and incorporate the game stories into the overall SW lore than ignore the games all together. Since I usually choose the LS/male route, I don't have any problems at all. :)

Char Ell
08-12-2005, 11:25 AM
Hmmm... while I've already stated that I understand that the LucasArts people have to decide what gender and alignment Revan was at KotOR's end in order to establish a set history, I find the Star Wars Databank entry for Bastila Shan (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/bastilashan/) quite intriguing. The article's references to Revan are written in such a manner as to not lock Revan into a gender or alignment. Does this mean that the Revan storyline is not fully canonized yet? I would guess so since it would seem that Revan will figure prominently in KotOR 3 and of course LucasArts won't reveal the story before the next game of the KotOR saga is released.
Uhhh... I guess I answered my own question... :rolleyes: