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Vladimir-Vlada
08-11-2005, 10:39 PM
Who do you think will be in KOTOR 3, who the playable character, who the party member, anyone else.

I think that the playable character will be Revan, I just know it.

The Party members would be in my opinion:
Carth, Bastila, Mission, Zaalbar, Jolee, Juhani, Canderous, HK-47, T3-M4, Atton, Handmaiden, Mira, Bao-Dur...

I have a feeling that the Exile will be a party member, complex and really annoying.

There is going to be a Jedi Master like Kreia, only lightside and male, like Obi-Wan. I can feel it.

Call it a hunch but it seems to me that we will be seeing Vandar, Zhar and Dorak in this one.

Kreia will definaetly show up as a Force Ghost.

Sion also.

I think that we will be confronting the True Dark Lord of the Sith.

What about you?

gonzzalez
08-12-2005, 02:55 PM
Thats a pretty big party, as for the other stuff well... I supose anything is possible but I dont really see Vandar and his old buys being in it.

One thing I do have a feeling about ( completely unsubstansiated, and not based on anything tangible ) is that the Exile will die. Would make sense for a major character to die and I cant see it being Revan.

Darth333
08-12-2005, 03:06 PM
I think that the playable character will be Revan, I just know it.
Definitely not: this would make no sense. Character development would be gimped right from the beginning. How would you explain restarting at level one? I always prefer to start with a new character that you can develop, more or less like a blank sheet...There's also a better chance for writers to come up with a better story with a new character.


The Party members would be in my opinion:
Carth, Bastila, Mission, Zaalbar, Jolee, Juhani, Canderous, HK-47, T3-M4, Atton, Handmaiden, Mira, Bao-Dur...

I have a feeling that the Exile will be a party member, complex and really annoying.
huh?

Carth: could be dead depending of how you played K1.
Bastila: strangely I killed her many times in K1 but she resurrected in K2 :p
Zaalbar, Jolee and Juhani could be killed in K1 too.
Caderous: makes sense but he better recover his K1 personality...in Kotor 2, he had almost nothing to say.
Hk-47 and T3-M4: i agree - KotOR wouldn't be Kotor without them IMHO.
Atton, Handmaiden, Mira and Bao-Dur: my favorite is Bao-Dur but I'd like him to be have mroe to say. As for the others, I would prefer new ones.

As for the Exile, I don't think he/she will come back. You will hear of the exile but not see him/her IMHO since the appearance and sex were determined by th eplayer in K2.


Call it a hunch but it seems to me that we will be seeing Vandar, Zhar and Dorak in this one.
errr...they're dead and I prefer living npcs to ghosts ;)

Dark_lord_Cheez
08-12-2005, 03:38 PM
The Party members would be in my opinion:
Carth, Bastila, Mission, Zaalbar, Jolee, Juhani, Canderous, HK-47, T3-M4, Atton, Handmaiden, Mira, Bao-Dur...
I'm sorry to burst your bubble here, but if you were darkside Zaalbar, Jolee, Juhani, and Mission all die.

also

The way TSL was supposed to go, there were supposed to be several parts where just about all your party were supposed to die, not to mention Kreia gives you detailed predictions of what will happen to your party members at the end of TSL, so it would be hard to include them into the third installment due to this

I have a feeling that the Exile will be a party member, complex and really annoying.

I'm not sure how this would be possible, since the exile was unique to each person playing the game. I personally would think (s)he would be only mentioned in the third one several times, and maybe appear for a breif moment (could be done with a hooded robe similar to kreia's), after which we might never see him/her again. That is just my opinion though, and I respect that you have your own opinion on the matter, I just don't see how it'd be possible.

There is going to be a Jedi Master like Kreia, only lightside and male, like Obi-Wan. I can feel it.

one thing that Kotor has done in the series that I find really defines it is that the mentor/jedi master that joins your group is around the neutral area as opposed to being light/dark. This comes in handy due to the fact that these jedi are supposed to be the ones teaching you about the force, and also makes sense with the idea that you can choose which side you are on. I feel that if there were a lightside master it wouldn't really make much sense for someone gradually to become either neutral or darkside (unless if it happened in a way such as when Anakin fell, even then he learned about the darkside from a mentor-like person before his fall.) I guess what I'm trying to say is that jedi only acquire their alliance to the light/darkside of the force due to knowledge, and they only know what they are taught by jedi masters or other mentors. (just the way I look at things in the SW universe)


Call it a hunch but it seems to me that we will be seeing Vandar, Zhar and Dorak in this one.

sorry again to tell you this, but all three of them were killed already. They were on Kataar when it was destroyed by Nihillus

Kreia will definaetly show up as a Force Ghost.

I have heard quite a few people say this, but I fail to see why she would return. After all, I believe when she dies she says that she's glad to leave or something. I don't see why she would want to return especially through the force, seeing as she despises the force.

Sion also.

Same as above, since he says he's glad to leave when he dies.

I think that we will be confronting the True Dark Lord of the Sith.

What about you?

Everyone says they would like to see the True Sith, and I think people are mistaken on what this means (or I may be mistaken on what it means), but what I thought when they said this, was the sith species. The first sith were originally a whole other species (red skin, tenticles hanging from their chin, if I remember correctly). To the best of my knowledge they settled on Korriban and (supposedly) died off. However, I think they said in Knights I, that a few of them escaped the planet when the other sith were going around killing each other off.

What I think may have happened was their species continued to reproduce in the outer rim, and have been planning a large scale assault on the Republic for a long while. (I believe Kreia mentions on Korriban something about the original sith finding a republic craft land on the planet, and Marka Ragnos *I think* said it was a sign of future Republic invasion, and used its arrival as a way of ruling over the sith on Korriban)

I think the 'True Sith' are the Original Sith, the species of sith, not followers of a belief, not trainers of new sith, just a species of force sensitives who claim to be the ultimate power in the galaxy.

If someone has proof that I'm wrong with this idea, please let me know, I only thought this due to what was mentioned on Korriban in both games, and a few articles on the original sith I found on Wikipedia.


Sorry, I didn't really mean to tear apart your post, you have great ideas, I just thought I'd let you know that most of the characters you mentioned have already died in the series, and unless LA wants to screw up the cotinuity of the series would probably not have them return.

Hope there aren't any hard feelings, I'm just stating what I think on the subject. :)

Darth333
08-12-2005, 03:44 PM
The way TSL was supposed to go, there were supposed to be several parts where just about all your party were supposed to die, not to mention Kreia gives you detailed predictions of what will happen to your party members at the end of TSL, so it would be hard to include them into the third installment due to this

That could be one of the reasons why the end was cut and left in a more of less finished state. Don't forget that Kotor 1 also had a third ending that was cut where both DS female Revan and Carth die aboard the Star Forge.

Dark_lord_Cheez
08-12-2005, 03:50 PM
[QUOTE=Dark_lord_Cheez]

The way TSL was supposed to go, there were supposed to be several parts where just about all your party were supposed to die, not to mention Kreia gives you detailed predictions of what will happen to your party members at the end of TSL, so it would be hard to include them into the third installment due to this

That could be one of the reasons why the end was cut and left in a more of less finished state. Don't forget that Kotor 1 also had a third ending that was cut where both DS female Revan and Carth die aboard the Star Forge.

hmm... I heard a bit about that ending before, I never heard the part that revan died as well on the forge though. All I heard was Carth was supposed to return on the star forge and try to turn the pc back to the light. Though that sounds like it'd make for a very interesting way to end the game.

Mira Dona
08-12-2005, 04:23 PM
What I think may have happened was their species continued to reproduce in the outer rim, and have been planning a large scale assault on the Republic for a long while. (I believe Kreia mentions on Korriban something about the original sith finding a republic craft land on the planet, and Marka Ragnos *I think* said it was a sign of future Republic invasion, and used its arrival as a way of ruling over the sith on Korriban)


What happened was that a scout ship from Cinnigar landed on the Sith homeworld after the death or Marka Ragnos. There was a power vaccum left by his passing and two Sith were struggling to take his place, Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh.

Kressh wanted to kill the two scouts, but Sadow freed one of them and claimed that the Republic was behind the escape. Having convinced the Sith of the danger posed by the Republic, he solidified his claim to power, destroyed Kressh's flagship in an attempt to remove his rival, and invaded Republic space.

Beginning the great Hyperspace War.

And you are correct in that the *true* Sith were breeded out in minglings with the Dark Jedi and killed off during the numerous intergalactic wars and general Sith infighting. However the original species were not power hungry force sensitives, but rather a primitive race easily subjegated and ruled over (sp?) by the Dark Jedi faction that had arrived on Korriban.

JediWatchman
08-12-2005, 04:39 PM
The Party members would be in my opinion:
Carth, Bastila, Mission, Zaalbar, Jolee, Juhani, Canderous, HK-47, T3-M4, Atton, Handmaiden, Mira, Bao-Dur...
A few questions: Who the heck is Juhani?
Isn't Bastila dead?

I think that we will be confronting the True Dark Lord of the Sith.
Who is that?

Dark_lord_Cheez
08-12-2005, 04:40 PM
What happened was that a scout ship from Cinnigar landed on the Sith homeworld after the death or Marka Ragnos. There was a power vaccum left by his passing and two Sith were struggling to take his place, Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh.

Kressh wanted to kill the two scouts, but Sadow freed one of them and claimed that the Republic was behind the escape. Having convinced the Sith of the danger posed by the Republic, he solidified his claim to power, destroyed Kressh's flagship in an attempt to remove his rival, and invaded Republic space.

Beginning the great Hyperspace War.

And you are correct in that the *true* Sith were breeded out in minglings with the Dark Jedi and killed off during the numerous intergalactic wars and general Sith infighting. However the original species were not power hungry force sensitives, but rather a primitive race easily subjegated and ruled over (sp?) by the Dark Jedi faction that had arrived on Korriban.


ah, thank you for clearing that up for me :) .

lukeiamyourdad
08-12-2005, 04:41 PM
The True Sith are truly the Yuuzhan Vong.

dun dun DUN!!!

Oh the horror!

Just kidding :D

Dark_lord_Cheez
08-12-2005, 04:43 PM
A few questions: Who the heck is Juhani?


Juhani is the name of the Dark Jedi you fight on Dantoine, the one who was corrupting the Kath hounds. If you play lightside, you can have her come back to the light, and then recruit her. If you're dark you just kill her.

Mira Dona
08-12-2005, 04:47 PM
ah, thank you for clearing that up for me :) .

Heh, it's not trouble at all. I love the rare opportunities I get to put this knowlege to use. :D

Mira Dona
08-12-2005, 04:49 PM
The True Sith are truly the Yuuzhan Vong.

dun dun DUN!!!

No. . .

NO. . .

Oh the horror!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!



Just kidding :D

Oh okay, thats good news! :p

Darth_Terry
09-07-2005, 09:07 PM
My wife of course made revan and the exile female do you think it would be possible to make them female in Kotor 3? Also I heard that all the members working on 3 were fired and they scrapped all the stuff that they were working on and started over. I don't know if its ture but if any one know where we Can find information about whats going on Let me know.

fresnosmokey02
09-07-2005, 09:48 PM
My thoughts:

New PC (I think that's obvious). Returning NPC's: T3, HK-47, possibly Canderous/Mandalore; no other returning NPC's as party members. When they cut the alternate ending for K2 they put in Kreia telling you the futures of your party members and they weren't with you (Exile) and didn't seem to have much to do with the future storyline. K1 party members whereabouts are unknown except for LS ending, Carth and Bastila are helping to keep the republic strong, DS ending, Bastila went searching for Revan in the outer rim (eventually).

Possibly some NPC's from K1 and K2 to appear as mentors/teachers/council members or even as opponents depending on alignment choices.

You will probably have a mentor figure, possibly to be determined by your alignment choices before you head off on the big quest.

You will probably hear about/run into/even possibly fight beside or against Revan, Exile, and possibly even Bastila (remember she ran off to find Revan after Korriban fell apart - K1 DS ending, K2 hologram on Korriban). I suppose Revan, Exile, and/or Bastila might join your party, but it would be limited and only for a very short time.

I think what is called the *True Sith* in K2 isn't the original primitive species, but perhaps just a label for something so evil and vile that even the regular sith must fight it as it's too evil even for them.

There will be new stuff, new looks for old stuff, new powers, new feats, hopefully new minigames (perhaps starfighter racing or sabacc), new looks for the PC, and the Ebon Hawk shall rise again!

Ztalker
09-10-2005, 08:52 AM
I agree with the above...

They might show up on Cioruscant or another Jedi Academy, (depending on choises) so story-coliisions can be avoided...i'd love to see Bao-Dur lead a Zabrak Elite Squad though.......PWNAGE

ForceFightWMe12
09-10-2005, 12:20 PM
I've seen a lot of good guesses here...

but, what I think is:

Your PC will be the Exile. In the begining, the game designers could ask a series of questions (in substitute of the normal 'create-a-character) that would detail your experiences and game-play in TSL. and then the rest of the game would be pending from there.

I usually like to stay on the LS most of the time (no clue why, DS is always so much fun) so the characters would still be alive.

Party:
Handmaiden/ Deciple
Bao-Dur
HK-47
T3-M4
Canderous/Mandalore
Visas Marr

Unless your DS :D

Now, I have the Xbox game, so I don't know anything about this 'vision' of the Exile's party members, but...

What I think is going to happen:

The game picks up right after you kill Kreia and Sion. You're on the Ebon Hawk, probably in the med-bay, and Handmaiden(If u play LS Male) or someone is taking care of you. You have some kind of vision while unconcious of an ancient planet, surrounded by dark energy and a cloaked figure walking about. Guess who the robed figure is?

So then, you start off and look for info on the planet. You find none, but then somehow (maybe in some Jedi or Sith holocron), find coordinates for some Sith planet that was supposed to be a waste land. So, you then set off, find the planet, run around, probably finding the entire place deserted or battle-scarred or w/e, find Revan, have a big happy reunion, return to Ebon Hawk, find Carth and Bastila, and then find out where the h*ll Revan's been the entire time.

So you find out about the Ancient Sith.

I think Revan will eventually round up the rest of his old crew (Jahuni, Jolee, and everyone unless your DS and killed them all) The rest of the game, you run around with Revan trying to find and kill (possibly join and rule if your DS) the Ancient Sith and restore peace and justice (or chaos and death) to the Republic.

Ta Da.

A lot of you are probably asking, how will they control Revan? He/She was a playable character that you controled? How would the game designers be able to create a character that could change in hundreds of different ways for different players?

I think that maybe, just maybe, you would be able to control the majority of Revan's actions. It will be set what he/she meant to do by running out on the Republic depending on what Side you made him in the begining (DS: ran out to find and rule the Ancient Sith and Bastila ran out after him/her, or she's dead, LS: went out to try and find and kill the Ancient Sith while Bastila stayed behind) and any of the major plot twists as well. Also, maybe Revan's and the Exile's party will be split up at times (Like the Exile's was on Onderon and Dxun) and you will switch between playing as Revan and his/hers party and Exile and his/hers.

I see a lot of you want a new player PC. I certainly DO NOT. I'm tired of the 'who am I? What am I doing here? Whats going on?" thing and I don't think that they would give the series a good ending by winding three stories together. No, sorry, no new PC for me.

Dark/light
09-20-2005, 02:09 AM
To above poster..

Sorry but that won't work because no one knows what the exile look like or what gender the exile is. And revan too.

Another reason it won't work is because now there are two people(Revan and Exile) are darkside or lightsided and if played at the exile again, then the ebon hawk who is flying to fight the true stih, would be there and your character will start at lv.1 which will never make sense. And it would be short because all you have to do is fight your way to find revan and together, you fight your way to the end to defeat all of them and it would be boring. Or at darksided: The exile either stayed or went to the true sith and try to help master the army and it would be a long time b4 the exile leave his party member at Machlor(forgot spelling) to find other people to help the true sith and this true sith will strike and it would also be boring as hell because there no jedi left since you are darksided and kill them and you use the true sith to defeat the republic and then there probably have to be kotor 4 to find out how the jedi order reborn since it rebuilded by the time Yoda was born and trained.

So this Kotor 3, there HAD to be a new character for either lightsided and destroyed the true sith, or darksided and maybe either destroy the sith for the sith lord title or something or help them or something liek that.

Vladimir-Vlada
09-20-2005, 07:22 AM
So this Kotor 3, there HAD to be a new character for either lightsided and destroyed the true sith, or darksided and maybe either destroy the sith for the sith lord title or something or help them or something liek that.
But if they make a new character, it would RUIN the story which if ended by KOTOR 3(with Ryan and Revan) would become one of the greatest stories of all times. But if they make a new character which doesn't continue Luke's (Revan's) and Ryan's (Exile's[Ry'ghol's]) story, it would be the WORST attampt at making a sucessfuly RPG story. KOTOR 3 by conitnuing the story of the main characters form 1 and 2 will become the best game ever.

So if Lucasarts has any sense of imagination and creativity, they WILL continue their story (or simply, add a choise to play as either Revan, Ry'ghol (Exile) or a new character).

Aurora Merlow
09-20-2005, 09:58 AM
i think i have to agree vladimir, i don't want to start over with a new character again, i've already done that twice. i want to finish the story of Revan and the other NPC's of kotor1 and 2 using my original character instead of tieing up their stories with some other new random charcter.

i know it would be hard but i'm sure they can find a way

fresnosmokey02
09-20-2005, 10:11 AM
There is no way that you will be Revan or Exile, unless you lose all your powers and abilities. Part of the game, and any RPG for that matter, is increasing your powers and abilities. They do this to make the game challenging. You can't just have your PC fully formed and powered at the beginning of the game. If they want to do that, they might as well just come out with a book instead of a game. It might be an interesting read, but it wouldn't be an interesting game. I mean let's be logical here and look at how things should be to make it a good game instead of trying to fit in unrealistic plot items. Therefore, I say you will have a new PC and he/she will discover Revan's and Exile's story(s)/fate(s). That is the way they will resolve the storyline.

Dark/light
09-20-2005, 06:42 PM
I see some of u want this game to be like a movie...like focusing on one character will be boring if you played all the way from kotor 1 as revan to kotor 3 still as revan(this an example). That why Lucasarts want to make this game more fun choosing one LAST different character and this will be over.....like the above poster said.

vanir
09-20-2005, 07:10 PM
The trick is because it's a game you need a new pc and new npc's, but the same or similar environment, yet a new story.
The first was pretty inventive. The second I didn't like as much in terms of plot. I'm hoping the third will have the missing element, perhaps a huge fleet battle or something.
What character the pc and his npc's are will depend what plot is ultimately decided upon, with a little something special about the main character added to spice it up.

TheGreenGoblin
09-20-2005, 08:19 PM
From a story-telling standpoint the Exile would be the best-point. You see right now, we know everything the Exile knows, no more no less. Revan (though I'd love to play as him again) wouldn't be a good choice since he already knows considerably more about the true Sith than we do (I think he should be an npc, but with his robes and mask on to coneal his identity). Playing as the Exile is just the more natural and proper way to proceed.


As for planets, I'd love to see a minimal of established Star Wars planets. We're heading into the Unknown Regions, the true running grounds of the Sith, it would be great to see some original planets, hell a trip to Dagobah would be great.

RobQel-Droma
09-20-2005, 08:20 PM
I agree with fresnosmokey02 on that. It is highly unlikely that we will be playing either Revan or the Exile. I think it would be cool if you would start out on your home planet and work your way toward the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and start your training. Eventually, you would have to look for Revan and The Exile.

TheGreenGoblin
09-20-2005, 08:28 PM
The problem I'd have with not playing as the Exile/Revan is that we'd have to cover ground we already know to get back onto the True Sith quest.

Young Outlaw
09-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Maybe LA should release a book a couple of months before they release KOTOR 3. The book should be about the Exile and what happened after (s)he destroyed Kreia. The book should give everyone that conclusion that we felt after beating KOTOR 1. The end of the book should tie in with the new PC fron the third game.

I think that only the droids should make a return to the party.(seeing how every fan of the series wants them to return) The rest of them should die in the book. I think that revan and the exile should be hidden characters who help U only with the final boss. You shouldn't have any control over them. You also have to spend time looking for clues and doing hidden quest to find them.( that way you wont rush through the game)

One more thing I like to say, if you are a true fan of the games you have played a male and a female character.( also LS and DS for both) So it shouldn't matter which direction the devs(whoever is making the game)take the story. I would be lying if I said i didn't prefer revan to be LSM and the exile to be DSF, but if the story for KOTOR 3 has them both LSM than i'll have to deal with that. Also if their looks don't match the faces I chose for the first to games, I guess i'll have to play both games again to match the faces they chose. Sweet, I guess that would give me a resone to play KOTOR 1 and 2 again:)

TheGreenGoblin
09-20-2005, 10:17 PM
An interesting idea you have there. Although I don't think it would work simply because anyone that didn't read the book would feel pretty alienated coming into the game, plus the fact that your roleplaying options would be pretty limited. Additionally, I don't think there's a need to kill off npcs, Revan and Exile left their friends and comrades behind to fight the true Sith so they wouldn't even be a factor. Revan as an npc is quite simple, just stick him in robes and mask and have his dialogue be dictated by stating whether he was DS or LS.

As for the PC, I would go with the Exile just for the reasons I stated above, primarily being he's already established, he knows everything we know and that introducing a third pc might be difficult.

I'm also against creating canonical gender or appearence, especially with Revan as it can be masked quite easily. The Exile not so much so. However, the Exile's got his own problems as pc as well. He's already completed his character arc, there's not much mystery to him anymore, etc.

Difficult decision indeed.

lukeiamyourdad
09-20-2005, 10:31 PM
I'm also against creating canonical gender or appearence, especially with Revan as it can be masked quite easily. The Exile not so much so. However, the Exile's got his own problems as pc as well. He's already completed his character arc, there's not much mystery to him anymore, etc.

In that case, the Exile wouldn't be very interesting since his character arc is pretty much done.
You wouldn't have much choice during the game would you?

ForceFightWMe12
09-20-2005, 11:54 PM
An interesting idea you have there. Although I don't think it would work simply because anyone that didn't read the book would feel pretty alienated coming into the game, plus the fact that your roleplaying options would be pretty limited. Additionally, I don't think there's a need to kill off npcs, Revan and Exile left their friends and comrades behind to fight the true Sith so they wouldn't even be a factor. Revan as an npc is quite simple, just stick him in robes and mask and have his dialogue be dictated by stating whether he was DS or LS.

As for the PC, I would go with the Exile just for the reasons I stated above, primarily being he's already established, he knows everything we know and that introducing a third pc might be difficult.

I'm also against creating canonical gender or appearence, especially with Revan as it can be masked quite easily. The Exile not so much so. However, the Exile's got his own problems as pc as well. He's already completed his character arc, there's not much mystery to him anymore, etc.
Difficult decision indeed.


Okay, green I agree with. Red I do not.

You see, it could work with Revan behind the mask and everything...but if he/she's an NPC, then they would still have to come up with a voice for him/her. And That voice (obviously) would have to be gender specific. So that much at least you would need to decide.

Okay...do we really need a whole ton of mystery to the Exile anymore, when we're dying to try and figure out where Revan is, what he's been doing, and what he was looking for? And after that, where the Ancient Sith are? To me, there's quiet a bit of mystery anyway. Plus, they could introduce an entire new party...along with some old characters (*cough* Bastila *cough cough*), which would leave character arcs to be completed as well.

RedHawke
09-21-2005, 01:56 AM
As for the PC, I would go with the Exile just for the reasons I stated above, primarily being he's already established, he knows everything we know and that introducing a third pc might be difficult.
We will not be playing Revan or the Exile in the next installment, it just isn't done, and would make the game pointless... utterly pointless! Let's see... the Exile would start at around level 28, level 15 in a Jedi Class with a level 13 Prestiege Class... and as such you would have a 15 minute long unbalanced game, maximum, no way this will happen. There is no progression, there is no time to tell the story. Even with PnP RPG's you do not start a campaign with vetran characters it always ends badly for all involved.

See the whole purpose of an RPG is to start as a level one neophyte character and have to figure out what is going on, whilst unlocking the games story, starting from nothing and becoming the savior of the story, you cannot do that playing the Exile, or even Revan.

How are you going to explain the Exile being level one again... amnesia? P-l-e-a-s-e that has been done to death... There is no reasonable way to have us play the Exile... or Revan in KOTOR III.

There will be a new level one PC and we will find out the fates of both our previous characters as the story unfolds... there is no other way. ;)

There is no way that you will be Revan or Exile, unless you lose all your powers and abilities. Part of the game, and any RPG for that matter, is increasing your powers and abilities. They do this to make the game challenging. You can't just have your PC fully formed and powered at the beginning of the game. If they want to do that, they might as well just come out with a book instead of a game. It might be an interesting read, but it wouldn't be an interesting game. I mean let's be logical here and look at how things should be to make it a good game instead of trying to fit in unrealistic plot items.
Quoted for emphasis! :D

RobQel-Droma
09-21-2005, 11:37 AM
How are you going to explain the Exile being level one again... amnesia? P-l-e-a-s-e that has been done to death...

Yes, lets please not have any more of that. That is one of the problems I have with playing the Exile or Revan-Along with having to be level 30 or something if so. So, I doubt it, although I still keep getting the feeling that amnesia is starting to become a normal part of KOTOR.

ChAiNz.2da
09-21-2005, 11:40 AM
although I still keep getting the feeling that amnesia is starting to become a normal part of KOTOR.

hehehe.. reminds me alot of like Star Trek's Time Traveling Space Anomaly Rifts ;)

ForceFightWMe12
09-23-2005, 12:10 AM
Yeah, definatly no anmneisia anymore. That's just stupid after the second time. REALLY annoying.

But you guys seem to be missing the entire point. The story would be entirly new, yes, just bringing back the old crew. Heck, we could dump the entire old gang (Handmaiden/Desciple, Visas, Bao-Dur, etc etc) and get a new party members. See, with Exile as the PC, then you would simply state what happened in KotOR I and II and continue from there. Now, for the past two games, the plot has been to go to different planets in search of something. In I it was the Star Maps, in II it was the Masters. Instead, you'd run around looking for clues of Revan. When eventually you do, you travel beyond the Outer Rim, trying to find him. You do find him, then run around the Unknown Territories searching for the Ancient Sith. Therefore bringing the series to a close without adding a new character and it would be a pretty good length game. Perhaps longer than the other two, I dunno...

Bob Lion54
09-23-2005, 12:53 AM
I highly doubt you will be Revan or the Exile. The reasons are already stated above by others.(and in multiple other threads)

HOWEVER, what if the Force was not strong in the outer rim? We know its stronger in some areas, so there has to be areas where its not present at all, or perhaps just very weak. If a Jedi (even a very powerful on) was to travel to these areas, they would not have the ability to use the force as they normally would. Your PC (Revan/Exile) would start from scratch. They would have to learn to reconnect to the Force across the distance.

Or

The outer rim areas could have a strange energy that interfers with the Force. The PC would have to grow stronger to get back his/her powers in this "Force Vacuum."

I don't think that will happen, but people kept saying they didn't see how to explain stating a level 30+ charactor at level 1, so I just thought I would throw that out. Of course, that says nothing for other feats and skills which would have to start at level 1, as well. Though Kreia did say that a Jedi who loses the Force would be less capable that people who never felt it. Maybe that works?

Like I said, I highly doubt you will be Revan ot the Exile, though. I just wanted to provide a possible, though still problematic, way you could be.

hehehe.. reminds me alot of like Star Trek's Time Traveling Space Anomaly Rifts ;)

Makes me wonder how many times something has to happen before its not considered an anomaly. hehe

RedHawke
09-23-2005, 02:08 AM
hehehe.. reminds me alot of like Star Trek's Time Traveling Space Anomaly Rifts ;)
[Darth Vader] Nooooooooo! :vadar:

Oops! Revan slipped on a bar of soap in the shower and hit his/her head and got amnesia again... clumsy Revan! :roleyess:

Oops! The Exile was painting the arches over the front door at the Trayus Academy and fell off the repulsor platform and got amnesia... clumsy Exile! :p

I think not! :xp:

Aurora Merlow
09-23-2005, 07:01 AM
You could get away with Revan starting as say a level 10 and going from there. I know i know, you go higher in kotor1 but it would be similar to say a BG1 to BG2 where you are the same character and start at level 10 and continue the story. Would be hard to do with the exile as i think there was a level limit of 50 in kotor2?

RobQel-Droma
09-23-2005, 01:58 PM
Maybe you could work out something so that even though Revan has a super high level all the enemies in the unknown regions have a even higher level so he is really not that powerful. However, I like Bob Lion54's idea for a "force vaccuum". But still, I think it would be cool if you play as a new pc and eventually meet up with Revan in the unknown regions and be able to play as him or something, using one of the above ideas to explain why he isn't exactly whooping everbody's butt across the horizon.

Vladimir-Vlada
09-23-2005, 05:50 PM
We will not be playing Revan or the Exile in the next installment, it just isn't done, and would make the game pointless... utterly pointless! Let's see... the Exile would start at around level 28, level 15 in a Jedi Class with a level 13 Prestiege Class... and as such you would have a 15 minute long unbalanced game, maximum, no way this will happen. There is no progression, there is no time to tell the story. Even with PnP RPG's you do not start a campaign with vetran characters it always ends badly for all involved.

See the whole purpose of an RPG is to start as a level one neophyte character and have to figure out what is going on, whilst unlocking the games story, starting from nothing and becoming the savior of the story, you cannot do that playing the Exile, or even Revan.

How are you going to explain the Exile being level one again... amnesia? P-l-e-a-s-e that has been done to death... There is no reasonable way to have us play the Exile... or Revan in KOTOR III.

There will be a new level one PC and we will find out the fates of both our previous characters as the story unfolds... there is no other way. ;)
So you are willing to sacrifice a great story for the sake of the gameplay? You know most people would play KOTOR 3 because of the story. Let me explain:

I buyed KOTOR 1 because I like RPG's and Star Wars as a whole and I thoguht maybe this game will be great. It turned out to be the best. I buyed KOTOR 2 to see what kind of a story it has. To my surprise it continued the story from KOTOR 1 (with a new character). Even though the KOTOR 2 story wasn't the best, but it made an ending that can lead the story into something MUCH bigger than I hopped to be. The game's story has potential to become the greatest game EPIC of all times, as well the BEST GAME OF ALL TIMES. Under the condition that one or both of them be as PC's, as party member's or game characters (vital ones).

And here you are, complaining that by continuing their story, it would be stupid because: Revan can't have amnesia again and Ry'ghol (Exile) can't be Level 6?

Sorry, but you'll have to come up with a MUCH better argument than that. Revan's amnesia can be a vital asspect of the story.

If they start the next game with another PC, that would be like a completely new story. So they mean what?

Some guy/girl from a desert far far away goes on into life and does a lot of things in the galaxy. And all the enemies are some monsters???

Imagine it to be like this below. This is what the players might think while playing and tell to their friends about this game:

Some guy: "Hey I'm just some guy from some back of the bone village and I became some guy who can do ANYTHING he likes. I can marry someone, I can buy houses, I can buy Force Powers and I can even go to the BATHROOM! You can buy weed also. I'm high on crack now if you haven't noticed by the way. *Smirk* So anyway, the game is easy, just go to some dungeon, they mention some Sith guy, you go and you kill them. You also get some doo-doo brainiac bratty, drunk teen-agers that s**t to you about how you can play poker with them or have a cat-fight. There are some cool shotguns and some weid flash-lights. Maybe the story sucks but the gameplay ROCKS!"

Some other guy: "What do you mean it rocks? You can't marry anyone, you can't buy houses and the fighting system animations remind me of children bashing swords at each other. Also, when you shoot, the comp aims for you. How cool is that?"

Some guy: "But it has some cool RPG elements. Not so many classes, but who the F**K cares? So, you can't complain."

Some other guy: "Yes, I have also noticed that the story sucks? Why didn't they make it better? The story really was good in the past two and in this one the story could have rocked if it continued on the past two with either of the characters."

Some guy: "It's because amnesia would be over-used, it would suck with Revan. It wouldn't make sence and how could you explain by starting Level 1 with the Exile? So it's better that it is a new character."

Some other guy: "But couldn't they at least insert some hack-and-slash? So that we could enjoy cutting our enemies into pieces?"

Some guy: "No, because it is NOT an FPS, it is based on D20 rules and I think that that's the best."

Some other guy: "Well, I must be really dumb to want those things I mentioned. I should agrre with you."

Some guy: "You did a good thing."

^^^ Yes! Enjoy your conservative ways, while the others start throwing rocks at the developers, burning their offices and robbing distribution houses. The game without a great story is the new trend isn't it? Maybe we shouldn't get exited when a potential EPIC story-based game triology starts and ends with just "GREAT" gameplay. Thanks a lot!

Ha Ha! I hope you get thee point from the above. :xp: :xp: :xp:

And yes! I am pretty sure that a lot of people have an idea for the story that would fit with you starting as Revan or the Ry'ghol at Level 1.

And just because someone who doesn't agree with the youth that Revan or Ry'ghol (Exile) should be a party member or PC, is a honorary member with 2000+ posts doesn't mean that we should call that one a genius and that we should agree with that one. LOL HA HA HA HA :lol: :rofl: :) ;) :D :xp:

ForceFightWMe12
09-23-2005, 06:16 PM
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LOL! YES! Thank you! My point exactly. If they started with a new character, then the story would turn out to be hillariously BAD. Or deadly bad, take your pick. I mean...its just too late to introduce a new character into this whole thing when its the last game. I'm not saying it is definatly the last game, but I'd rather KotOR be a trilogy, rather than a seiries of games going on and on and on and on till infinity and NEVER finishing the original plot line.

And I don't really see what's the big deal with you suddenly having to start at level one again. To tell the truth, I could care LESS. I really dont give a sh*t if we have to start from negative 50 or something. Gimme a break.

RobQel-Droma
09-23-2005, 06:33 PM
Good point Vladimir-Vlada. I still think that that would be cool to be a new character (and not have to go through amnesia either if its there), but I do think that Revan and the Exile should be party members, although I would like it also if I was Revan. And yes, there are a lot of great ideas for why Revan or Exile is at level one. I think it was BOB LION54 who suggested that there would be kind of a force vaccuum in the Unknown Regions which would interfere with your connection to the force. There is a lot others, but I am not going to quote all of them.
Anyways, I agree mostly with you. I don't understand why people have all these problems with Revan or the Exile even just appearing again.

Vladimir-Vlada
09-23-2005, 06:59 PM
And I don't really see what's the big deal with you suddenly having to start at level one again. To tell the truth, I could care LESS. I really dont give a sh*t if we have to start from negative 50 or something. Gimme a break.
My point exatcly. What's the fuss about either of them being level 1? That can even be a vital point of the story (in my version at least).

I don't understand why people have all these problems with Revan or the Exile even just appearing again.
Well, it's mostly those who like old style RPG's.

Sorry people, your versions of new characters without the old ones, new story of the same theme may work with knights, princesses, kings, swords, axes, bows, wizards, dragons, demons and dark magic lords, but it doesn't with Star Wars. :)

JediKnight707
09-23-2005, 09:57 PM
Well I havent read many of the posts, I'm short on time here so I don't know if any of this has come up before, but hers what I think:

1.) NEW PARTY MEMBERS!!!!!
2.) new character!!!!
3.) New Jedi Masters (maybe your exile as one?)
4.) I doubt they are going to do this: but Online Play!!!

RobQel-Droma
09-23-2005, 10:24 PM
Anyways, what I was going to add to my earlier post before I had to get off for a while, was that I still am not quite sure how they're are going to work in being Revan if you've been exploring the unknown regions for 5+ years and having seen lots of stuff and maybe found what he was trying to find. Of course they could have him start right after Exile defeated Traya at Malachor, and so the time period would not be so long and therefore they wouldn't have to explain so much. I have gotten kind of tired of amnesia, so I just hope they will come up with something different. Of course, when I first found this site I wanted only to play as Revan, but then I decided it would be cool if we started as a new character because Revan was too powerful and all the other stuff people have suggested why we couldn't play as Revan, but after hearing some ideas to explain for this stuff I am unfortunately starting to waffle again. :dozey:

lukeiamyourdad
09-23-2005, 10:35 PM
Instead of mindless bashing on the opposing argument, perhaps somebody could come up with something better then "the story will suck with a new PC".
What I don't understand is that strict very conservative mindset. If it's new, it's bad.
We don't need to play as the old characters. We can have a very interesting story with a whole new character. How many of you, complained about there being a new PC in TSL? How many whined about that? So many. What happens now? "We want the Exile back."

I already explained how you can make a new PC totally interesting, how the gameplay with Revan or the Exile again would simply be bad.

Devon once argued that we should litteraly have to choose our light or dark allegiance in the beginning. To that, the answer was in no way we should destroy one of the core gameplay mechanics and perhaps the most popular one, which is the ability to choose your alignment based on your actions.
You cannot have a neutral Revan at the beginning of K3 as you cannot have a neutral Exile either.
It makes no sense, worse then the whole starting at level 1. He went dark, went back to the light and then becomes neutral again? What the hell?
Another story of amnesia? Give me a break, we've been there, accusing us of being conservative, those who even consider that idea are even more conservative, trying to keep an old and already used formula.

Force vacuum? That sounds way too farfetched or something coming from some bad EU author who tried too hard to come up with a "cool" element.

Up to now, there has been no intelligent, well formulated argument on why the story would suck if we played with a new PC. All the partisans of that idea can come up with is:"But it wouldn't finish the storyline!"
Why would it not? What if you play Revan's son looking for his father or mother? Has anyone of you even considered any possibilities?
Or is the argument down to:"I like Revan/Exile. I want to play as Revan/Exile."

I won't point fingers at anyone, but a lot of "ideas" might sound "nice" on paper but put into a more physical form, it might not work at all. Hell, some of the ideas some people have would simply destroy the game, I'll say it clearly, that's what I think some of you want. For a "cool" factor, you're ready to sacrifice the gameplay.

I'll conclude with this matter. We all want a good story but this is a video game. If the gameplay is horrible, the game is horrible, the story then becomes just another thing on the side people forgot, however good it is, simply because playing the game became like working in an african diamond mine.

Second matter, FPS gameplay. This is also something about the "cool" factor that doesn't work in reality. It might look or sound nice on paper, but it's not going to work in an RPG. End of the line.

Finally, I'll have to say something about veterans. Veterans are not gods, they're not smarter or wiser then anyone. They only have more experience then most newbies about posting here at LFN.
Thus most of them also are quite knowledgeable about certain genres of video game. We have played them forever, we still play them, we know how it works inside and out.
But you don't have to be a veteran to be knowledgeable about anything. You don't need 2000+ posts to be able to handle an intelligent conversation.
If a newbie, acts mature, discuss with good arguments, he will be respected as much as any veteran.
Look at Hai Wan. He doesn't have that many posts yet I have a lot of respect for him.
Commas also. He was the only defensor of the "Exile for K3" philosophy that came up with good solid arguments.
If you can come up with good solid arguments, ways to truly convince the most "conservative" veteran, then your voice will be heard.
If the only thing you can come up with is:"But that would be so cool!" then no, nobody will listen to you.

LIYAD out.

Bob Lion54
09-23-2005, 11:05 PM
It makes no sense, worse Force vacuum? That sounds way too farfetched or something coming from some bad EU author who tried too hard to come up with a "cool" element.


hehehe......that it does. Like I said, it was just a possible way to see Revan/Exile in K3.

RobQel-Droma
09-23-2005, 11:11 PM
Devon once argued that we should litteraly have to choose our light or dark allegiance in the beginning. To that, the answer was in no way we should destroy one of the core gameplay mechanics and perhaps the most popular one, which is the ability to choose your alignment based on your actions.
You cannot have a neutral Revan at the beginning of K3 as you cannot have a neutral Exile either.
It makes no sense, worse then the whole starting at level 1. He went dark, went back to the light and then becomes neutral again? What the hell?


There has been a lot of ideas on how they would be chosen either too be light or dark. What about in KOTOR II? Depending on what you said about him/her, Revan would be set too dark or light side. Have you ever thought about having a prologue playing as a different character and talking to somebody about Revan, therefore setting Revan to either light or dark?

Second matter, FPS gameplay. This is also something about the "cool" factor that doesn't work in reality. It might look or sound nice on paper, but it's not going to work in an RPG. End of the line.

Now that I do agree with. KOTOR started out as an RPG, it should stay that way, especially with something that big.

Force vacuum? That sounds way too farfetched or something coming from some bad EU author who tried too hard to come up with a "cool" element.

Whats wrong with that? As whoever pointed it out, the force is stronger in some areas than others, and so the force is weaker in areas than others. It just means your connection to the force is a lot weaker. What about those cages that prevented force users from using the force that palpatine and others used to imprison jedi? Besides, thats not the only idea.

All that said, I am not saying that it would be bad to have an new pc, in fact that is my original story idea for KOTOR III. It is just that I am still not sure now what the story will be, especially since there is a lot of ways it could work either as Revan/New PC.

lukeiamyourdad
09-23-2005, 11:19 PM
There has been a lot of ideas on how they would be chosen either too be light or dark. What about in KOTOR II? Depending on what you said about him/her, Revan would be set too dark or light side. Have you ever thought about having a prologue playing as a different character and talking to somebody about Revan, therefore setting Revan to either light or dark?

It is entirely different. When you play an RPG such as KotoR, you have the chance to choose your alignment by the actions you do. If it's choosing before or at the end (like in K1 which is something I always frowned upon), it simply removes one of the core mechanics of the game.
In K2, you didn't play with Revan, that's why it simply didn't matter.




Whats wrong with that? As whoever pointed it out, the force is stronger in some areas than others, and so the force is weaker in areas than others. It just means your connection to the force is a lot weaker. What about those cages that prevented force users from using the force that palpatine and others used to imprison jedi? Besides, thats not the only idea.

To me, it simply sounds stupid. It would not make sense to go fight these big bad strong in the Force Sith Lords when the area around is "force weak".


All that said, I am not saying that it would be bad to have an new pc, in fact that is my original story idea for KOTOR III. It is just that I am still not sure now what the story will be, especially since there is a lot of ways it could work either as Revan/New PC.

I don't know what the story could be either. I'm just saying pro-Revan people haven't come up with any solid argument other then "it could suck". Hell, it's not even like that, it's:"It will suck".

RobQel-Droma
09-23-2005, 11:44 PM
You have a lot of good points there LIYAD.

To me, it simply sounds stupid. It would not make sense to go fight these big bad strong in the Force Sith Lords when the area around is "force weak".

True, but there are areas where the dark side of the force is so strong that light side users can not regain or even in extreme cases use the force. Of course, I am not sure how this would work for dark siders unless you went up against some kind of Jedi and Sith enemies like the "true sith". But that might have to create an actual "grey" side of the force, which might be a bit corny. So, this is probably in favor of making a new PC.

It is entirely different. When you play an RPG such as KotoR, you have the chance to choose your alignment by the actions you do. If it's choosing before or at the end (like in K1 which is something I always frowned upon), it simply removes one of the core mechanics of the game.
In K2, you didn't play with Revan, that's why it simply didn't matter.

But you don't have to make him a light/dark side mastery character, you could just imply which side he was just oriented toward, therefore making he slightly light, giving him full choice which side he wants to go to. Or, you could start out as Revan in a prologue making big choices therefore automatically sending to which side he was heading toward. Besides, just because he ended KotOR as either dark or light side doesn't mean he stayed that way. If he was light side he could have become a bit darker after being in the unknown regions.

However, I might be a bit hard to try and wrap up three characters in one game. I mean, unless we were playing a guy with "no name and no past" who just got created out of the blue. Revan and the Exile still have to be wrapped up, so I don't think that it would be good if we were playing somebody who would have to have a good story and be all completed and everything done with him and two others at the end.

lukeiamyourdad
09-23-2005, 11:51 PM
But you don't have to make him a light/dark side mastery character, you could just imply which side he was just oriented toward, therefore making he slightly light, giving him full choice which side he wants to go to. Or, you could start out as Revan in a prologue making big choices therefore automatically sending to which side he was heading toward. Besides, just because he ended KotOR as either dark or light side doesn't mean he stayed that way. If he was light side he could have become a bit darker after being in the unknown regions.

Of course not, but you've played a previous game which made Revan either a mighty Sith Lord or a great Light Side Jedi. Why would he change alignment again? It simply limits the logical things you can do. He becomes the Dark Lord and then decides to become light again? Just like that? Doesn't make much sense. Of course, you could say that it's already something you can do in the game, but from a story perspective it makes little sense.
Besides, not many toyed with that.

However, I might be a bit hard to try and wrap up three characters in one game. I mean, unless we were playing a guy with "no name and no past" who just got created out of the blue. Revan and the Exile still have to be wrapped up, so I don't think that it would be good if we were playing somebody who would have to have a good story and be all completed and everything done with him and two others at the end.

The game could be longer and the new PC could be less grand character like Revan or the Exile. Besides, the only true way to wrap things up is to kill them all off. Then there's no way for a sequel.
So in a way, the wrapping things up is only relative. Their stories will end in some way or another, but it might never be wrapped up enough for some people.

RobQel-Droma
09-24-2005, 12:12 AM
All right, I'll concede about the difficulties with the alignment shifts. (of course, didn't somebody or something talk about have Revan became evil and defeated the republic in order to make it stronger and in so doing save it from the "real" threat, which threatened both the sith and jedi? If so, then couldn't he become more of a grey character through his travels in the unknown regions because of his situation and his enemy? Just a thought)

I would like it if they continued as Revan to "wrap" his character up, but there is problems with playing as him. And anyways, I have some pretty cool ideas for being a new PC and looking for Revan. The way I see it, there is some problems on both sides.

Young Outlaw
09-24-2005, 03:03 AM
Besides, the only true way to wrap things up is to kill them all off. Then there's no way for a sequel.

I agree with Lukeiamyourdad on this one. If in TSL they never mention Revan or if they said Sion killed him then no one would be compaining about about to wrap up his story. Even if they wraped up the story line for Revan and exile, if in a 4th KOTOR they mentioned them going some where to fight some evil, galaxy threatening, thing, you guys would want them to make 5th game so you would know what happened to them. Maybe they should change the name from knights of the old republic to Star Wars the adventures of Revan and exile.

Revan and Exiles story doesn't need a whole game to conclude. I 'd be happy reading items or holocrons in my inventory to find out what happened to them.

Someone stated earlier they would sacrafice gameplay for story. all i have to say to that( quoted from Gene Wilder from the original Willy Wonka movie) is "You lose. Good Day Sir!" Its the gameplay which makes this game good. Most RPG's have a good story but very few are fun to play.

Another thing is I dont think they can make a story fo a 20 plus hr game for characters we already know about.

Maybe the game should take place 300 years after TSL. You could start off a a jedi historian whose curiosity of Revan and exile leads him/her into the ruins of the true sith empire. The new PC looking for what really happened to Revan and Exile runs into two familiar droids and a bunch of new characters who run into powerful creatures who still inhabit the empire.

RedHawke
09-24-2005, 03:59 AM
I agree with everything LIAYD said... now on to Vlad! He's so funny! :lol:

So you are willing to sacrifice a great story for the sake of the gameplay? You know most people would play KOTOR 3 because of the story.
Vlad, seriously from all your posts lately, you wouldn't know a good story if it bit you on the behind! :xp:

Let me explain:
Here it comes... let's hear the words of Vlad, the learned genius who has tons of expirience in the RPG area...

I buyed KOTOR 1 because I like RPG's and Star Wars as a whole and I thoguht maybe this game will be great. It turned out to be the best. I buyed KOTOR 2 to see what kind of a story it has. To my surprise it continued the story from KOTOR 1 (with a new character). Even though the KOTOR 2 story wasn't the best, but it made an ending that can lead the story into something MUCH bigger than I hopped to be. The game's story has potential to become the greatest game EPIC of all times, as well the BEST GAME OF ALL TIMES. Under the condition that one or both of them be as PC's, as party member's or game characters (vital ones).

And here you are, complaining that by continuing their story, it would be stupid because: Revan can't have amnesia again and Ry'ghol (Exile) can't be Level 6?
Care to list your point yet Vlad? See... you can't because you don't have one... and I prove it below!

If they start the next game with another PC, that would be like a completely new story. So they mean what?
I'll quote you this time, from this very post;

"I buyed KOTOR 2 to see what kind of a story it has. To my surprise it continued the story from KOTOR 1 (with a new character)." - Vlad the Drama Queen (Blame Aash Li for this title!)

You admit right here that having a new character works for continuing the story for you, so what is your whole argument against having a new PC about in KOTOR III again?

See you have no point with all this! ;)

Sorry, but you'll have to come up with a MUCH better argument than that. Revan's amnesia can be a vital asspect of the story.
So will you, please make a better argument for whatever point you are attempting to make, contradicting yourself does not help your position either.

Revan had amnesia in the first game, yes but that does not extend to the later games, having us play Revan or an Exile with amnesia again would be utterly lame... and you are just attempting to argue with us here because you are in a minority...

Some guy/girl from a desert far far away goes on into life and does a lot of things in the galaxy. And all the enemies are some monsters???

Imagine it to be like this below. This is what the players might think while playing and tell to their friends about this game:

Some guy: "Hey I'm just some guy from some back of the bone village and I became some guy who can do ANYTHING he likes. I can marry someone, I can buy houses, I can buy Force Powers and I can even go to the BATHROOM! You can buy weed also. I'm high on crack now if you haven't noticed by the way. *Smirk* So anyway, the game is easy, just go to some dungeon, they mention some Sith guy, you go and you kill them. You also get some doo-doo brainiac bratty, drunk teen-agers that s**t to you about how you can play poker with them or have a cat-fight. There are some cool shotguns and some weid flash-lights. Maybe the story sucks but the gameplay ROCKS!"

Some other guy: "What do you mean it rocks? You can't marry anyone, you can't buy houses and the fighting system animations remind me of children bashing swords at each other. Also, when you shoot, the comp aims for you. How cool is that?"

Some guy: "But it has some cool RPG elements. Not so many classes, but who the F**K cares? So, you can't complain."

Some other guy: "Yes, I have also noticed that the story sucks? Why didn't they make it better? The story really was good in the past two and in this one the story could have rocked if it continued on the past two with either of the characters."

Some guy: "It's because amnesia would be over-used, it would suck with Revan. It wouldn't make sence and how could you explain by starting Level 1 with the Exile? So it's better that it is a new character."

Some other guy: "But couldn't they at least insert some hack-and-slash? So that we could enjoy cutting our enemies into pieces?"

Some guy: "No, because it is NOT an FPS, it is based on D20 rules and I think that that's the best."

Some other guy: "Well, I must be really dumb to want those things I mentioned. I should agrre with you."

Some guy: "You did a good thing."
Random ravings from LF's very own Vladimir-Vlada the Drama Queen! :roleyess:

[TV Show Host] Ladies and gentlemen, can we get some applause for the talented young man? [/TV Show Host]

^^^ Yes! Enjoy your conservative ways, while the others start throwing rocks at the developers, burning their offices and robbing distribution houses. The game without a great story is the new trend isn't it? Maybe we shouldn't get exited when a potential EPIC story-based game triology starts and ends with just "GREAT" gameplay. Thanks a lot!
You really live in your own little world don't you? :eyeraise:

Ha Ha! I hope you get thee point from the above.
The point I get is Aash Li was right you are a Drama Queen, this latest rant from you proves it. ;)

And yes! I am pretty sure that a lot of people have an idea for the story that would fit with you starting as Revan or the Ry'ghol at Level 1.
See, us mature people like to play a game and discover the story, and building a character as we go, not having a super hero handed to us complete with known history, to start a game with. That game would last all of 15 minutes! Having to play the Exile or Revan again with amnesia or other mental illnesses to reduce their level to 1 would be, well... I have one word for that game... you know that word too!

Having the Exile or Revan as an NPC would be a really bad idea too, if they do fight by our new characters side or against us, it would only be in a possible ending battle, this situation quite possibly could even require our new PC to have to kill Revan, or the Exile, or both, pending Revan's and the Exile's alignments and the new characters choices/alignment through the third installment.

And just because someone who doesn't agree with the youth that Revan or Ry'ghol (Exile) should be a party member or PC, is a honorary member with 2000+ posts doesn't mean that we should call that one a genius and that we should agree with that one. LOL HA HA HA HA
Now I see we can apparently add post-count envy to your list of foibles?

Seriously Vlad, if you want to properly discuss these issues with us, please try sticking to a logical point, try not to contradict yourself, and lay off the sauce! :D

I don't understand why people have all these problems with Revan or the Exile even just appearing again.
I have no problems with them appearing, and an appearance will likely be mandintory for Revan in KOTOR III, but not as a recruited NPC or player character, whatever Revan's or the Exile's roles they will likely be in cutscenes, or a possible final battle. Though scripting the Exile's appearance would be a pain in the arse! :D

Revan and Exiles story doesn't need a whole game to conclude. I 'd be happy reading items or holocrons in my inventory to find out what happened to them.

Another thing is I dont think they can make a story fo a 20 plus hr game for characters we already know about.
Exactly! :D Some people are clueless to these tidbits of logic! ;)

Emperor Devon
09-24-2005, 05:48 AM
Who do you think will be in KOTOR 3, who the playable character, who the party member, anyone else. {snip}

I disagree. Most of my party members are dead. Sion is definitely dead, and it would kind of ruin the confrontations with him if he lived. Vandar, Zhar and Dorak were all killed by Nihilus. There can't be an old Jedi, because everyone seems to be forgetting...

The Jedi are dead and gone.

I do not believe the Exile will be a party member. I think both Revan and the Exile will be playable characters, and you will alternate between the two of them.

Here's a list of basic things that should happen: Revan and the Exile meet up. There should be a big war, and a huge battle over Coruscant between what's left of the Republic, The False Sith and the True Sith. You should alternate between Revan and the Exile. They should talk a great deal about Revan's past. There should be some plot twists, a force ghost Kreia, and a really epic final battle.

In my opinion, a new character would be awful. There's no need for a new one, and I would love to see more of Revan and the Exile. They are not obsolete.

Kensai
09-24-2005, 09:01 AM
Surely, a NJO would have been made, where Revan, Bastila and Exile were the three main protagonists, then from there you could play a new recruit, yes it's exactly what happens in JK:JA but it would be a bit of a let down to use the Exile and Revan as playable characters. Saying that, I'd prefer no sequal :S

Vladimir-Vlada
09-24-2005, 10:17 AM
Instead of mindless bashing on the opposing argument, perhaps somebody could come up with something better then "the story will suck with a new PC".
Well, you could also other than "It wouldn't make sense". :xp:

We don't need to play as the old characters. We can have a very interesting story with a whole new character. How many of you, complained about there being a new PC in TSL? How many whined about that? So many. What happens now? "We want the Exile back."
I didn't complain. I was expecting that there would be a new character, because I didn't know how to continue the story. But they made it that it leads to a KICK A$$ story if continued.

I already explained how you can make a new PC totally interesting, how the gameplay with Revan or the Exile again would simply be bad.
Post your idea, instead of just quoting others. :smash:

Another story of amnesia? Give me a break, we've been there, accusing us of being conservative, those who even consider that idea are even more conservative, trying to keep an old and already used formula.
I think that you should give US a break. Leave us with our fantasies.

Force vacuum? That sounds way too farfetched or something coming from some bad EU author who tried too hard to come up with a "cool" element.
That sounds good. There are places dead to the Force, which syphon it to feed it's hungry wound.

Up to now, there has been no intelligent, well formulated argument on why the story would suck if we played with a new PC. All the partisans of that idea can come up with is:"But it wouldn't finish the storyline!"
If you are refering to me, then I agree. But leave the other alone. ForceFightWMe, Hai Wan and Rob-Qel Droma have excellent ideas and arguments.

Why would it not? What if you play Revan's son looking for his father or mother? Has anyone of you even considered any possibilities?
Aha. 14 years have past, the Republic and the Jedi are still weak but holding. The Sith are at the front door and they didn't bother doing anything.

HELLO!

Something must have happened during those 14 years! You don't sacrifice half of your followers just so that you could stop after everything.

Or is the argument down to:"I like Revan/Exile. I want to play as Revan/Exile."
What's the difference between our arguments? You say "I want a new character." We say "I want Revan and the Exile back."

I won't point fingers at anyone, but a lot of "ideas" might sound "nice" on paper but put into a more physical form, it might not work at all. Hell, some of the ideas some people have would simply destroy the game, I'll say it clearly, that's what I think some of you want. For a "cool" factor, you're ready to sacrifice the gameplay.
Got any better ideas? Post them in other threads.

If you are saying that we are ready to sacrifice the gameplay, for the sake of the story, which (accidentally :rolleyes: ) in fact marks the facts of the core of every RPG in existence and non-existence. Then YES. I am ready to sacrifice the gameplay for the sake of the story. Because I like stories.

Second matter, FPS gameplay. This is also something about the "cool" factor that doesn't work in reality. It might look or sound nice on paper, but it's not going to work in an RPG. End of the line.
You are the first person to mention the FPS in this entire thread. :xp:

Finally, I'll have to say something about veterans. Veterans are not gods, they're not smarter or wiser then anyone. They only have more experience then most newbies about posting here at LFN.
So we have to agree with you? All right. I bow down to you, experienced individual, I will forsake my own opinion for the sake of your own. Let's agree with them. They are always right. :xp:

If a newbie, acts mature, discuss with good arguments, he will be respected as much as any veteran.
Look at Hai Wan. He doesn't have that many posts yet I have a lot of respect for him.
Commas also. He was the only defensor of the "Exile for K3" philosophy that came up with good solid arguments.
Finally! Someone's idea and imagination is respected here.

If you can come up with good solid arguments, ways to truly convince the most "conservative" veteran, then your voice will be heard.
You are not a developer and neither are we. And we DON'T need to argument someone so that we could fantasise about things we want. You can't take away that right from others.

If the only thing you can come up with is:"But that would be so cool!" then no, nobody will listen to you.
Do I have to post the enitre story I imagined? To have a premission to imagine those things in my little brain?! If so then OK. But don't blame ME if that is the story! I hate spoliers.

LIYAD out.
Vlada sigining off.

* He gets up from his chair and unplugs the radio on which lukeiamyourdad transmited... *
Good! Now we can talk about how we IMAGINE things would be like. Instead of just justifing our imagination.

Now to RedHawke, someone who doesn't take these things THAT seriously.

Vlad, seriously from all your posts lately, you wouldn't know a good story if it bit you on the behind!
Wait until you read my version. :xp:

Here it comes... let's hear the words of Vlad, the learned genius who has tons of expirience in the RPG area...
Very funny.

Care to list your point yet Vlad? See... you can't because you don't have one... and I prove it below!
Ooops! Forgot to mention it. :xp: Here it goes: The point is that the story has been built already and that just leaving them like that would prove that what BioWare, Obsidian worked on and the characters that were created were for NOTHING.

You admit right here that having a new character works for continuing the story for you, so what is your whole argument against having a new PC about in KOTOR III again?
Because I didn't know how will the story continue with KOTOR 2.

Vlad the Drama Queen (Blame Aash Li for this title!)
Yeah, I know.

So will you, please make a better argument for whatever point you are attempting to make, contradicting yourself does not help your position either.
I just have an imagination.

and you are just attempting to argue with us here because you are in a minority...
You have no idea what goes on in my head.

The point I get is Aash Li was right you are a Drama Queen, this latest rant from you proves it.
I went to acting class for 8 years.

Seriously Vlad, if you want to properly discuss these issues with us, please try sticking to a logical point, try not to contradict yourself, and lay off the sauce!
You do know that you don't have a point at all, do you? ;)

Seesh! We just have an imagination. And we don't need to justify our imaginative fantasies, everyone has their own. :xp:

Plus: You are not developers! :xp:

lukeiamyourdad
09-24-2005, 11:03 AM
Well, you could also other than "It wouldn't make sense". :xp:

Actually, I did provide arguments coming with the "it wouldn't make sense".


I didn't complain. I was expecting that there would be a new character, because I didn't know how to continue the story. But they made it that it leads to a KICK A$$ story if continued.

How do you even know that Obsidian wanted to continues with the Exile in a third installment?


Post your idea, instead of just quoting others. :smash:

I try to refrain from posting ideas until I can come up with something.
As a matter of fact, I did come up with ideas to rebalance ranged/melee and dual/single a few months ago until the thread was destroyed by the LF server.



I think that you should give US a break. Leave us with our fantasies.

Actually, fantasies are supposed to stay in your heads. I'll explain below.


That sounds good. There are places dead to the Force, which syphon it to feed it's hungry wound.

Like I said, he would face Sith Lords who are weak in the Force because of this Force vacuum? Or like Rob said, a place extremely strong in the dark side so that a Light Sider would be "blind", however, what if Revan was a Dark Sider? It poses quite a problem.



If you are refering to me, then I agree. But leave the other alone. ForceFightWMe, Hai Wan and Rob-Qel Droma have excellent ideas and arguments.

They have ideas and arguments. Solid arguments beyond the same old "suckyness" argument? I don't think so.


Aha. 14 years have past, the Republic and the Jedi are still weak but holding. The Sith are at the front door and they didn't bother doing anything.

HELLO!

Something must have happened during those 14 years! You don't sacrifice half of your followers just so that you could stop after everything.

I don't know what the hell this is all about.


What's the difference between our arguments? You say "I want a new character." We say "I want Revan and the Exile back."

I try to come up with good arguments beyond those words.


Got any better ideas? Post them in other threads.


If you are saying that we are ready to sacrifice the gameplay, for the sake of the story, which (accidentally :rolleyes: ) in fact marks the facts of the core of every RPG in existence and non-existence. Then YES. I am ready to sacrifice the gameplay for the sake of the story. Because I like stories.

There's something called watching a movie or reading a book. Try that, there's no GAMEPLAY involved.


You are the first person to mention the FPS in this entire thread. :xp:

Some other guy: "But couldn't they at least insert some hack-and-slash? So that we could enjoy cutting our enemies into pieces?"



So we have to agree with you? All right. I bow down to you, experienced individual, I will forsake my own opinion for the sake of your own. Let's agree with them. They are always right. :xp:

No. This is just you taking a part of a post, removing it out of context and trying to counter it.

Finally! Someone's idea and imagination is respected here.

I always respect the arguments of those who can post intelligent arguments based on facts, logic, etc.


You are not a developer and neither are we. And we DON'T need to argument someone so that we could fantasise about things we want. You can't take away that right from others.


Do I have to post the enitre story I imagined? To have a premission to imagine those things in my little brain?! If so then OK. But don't blame ME if that is the story! I hate spoliers.

This is where I'm going to explain why this is so important. See, I'll tell you the tale of a game called Star Wars Battlefront 2.
We know now they included Jedi, which weren't playable in the first game.
At the forums, prior to the announcement of SWBF2, two groups came out. The Battlefield games veterans and the Battlefront newbies, who have less experience then the veterans.
We veterans had been through many team based FPS and know what is good, what's bad, what can unbalance the whole thing. However, we were outnumbered.
Even if we came up with past examples or rock-solid argument, on why the Jedi shouldn't be playable, the newbies would just say:"J3D1 R0XX0RS 1NCLUD3 T3H J3D1!!!!exclamation points111!!!"

The fact remained that we were slightly outnumbered and that our arguments came on deaf ears or childish counter-arguments. Only one person, which I have great respect of and still do, came up with arguments and possibilities on how the Jedi could be balanced.

However, victory and the last word was on our side. Yet, LucasArts and Pandemic decided to include the Jedi. I believe in two months, the SWBF forums will be swarmed with either:"Jedi are too strong! Nerf them!" or "Jedi are too weak! Make them stronger!"

So see, that's what is the result of posting crap on a forum. Some people actually do listen.

Bob Lion54
09-24-2005, 11:17 AM
So see, that's what is the result of posting crap on a forum. Some people actually do listen.

I hope that dosen't mean I'll get blamed if they use a "Force Vacuum" in K3!

OHH NOES!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE! THE HUMANITY!!

lukeiamyourdad
09-24-2005, 11:20 AM
It's all your fault! I demand you be banned and arrested right away! You should be thrown on a desert island as far from any internet connection as possible!

fresnosmokey02
09-24-2005, 11:54 AM
Well, here I sit this morning, reading and catching up on this thread. And I have only one thing to say...

Holy Crap, you guys. Lighten up. All this back and forth with "You don't know what you're talking about." - "No, you don't know what you're talking about." - "No, you're a moron and you still don't know what you're talking about." All this BS over a game, and a game we only assume is being made.

Hey, I posted my opinion some time ago. So what? It's only an opinion. They sure as heck aren't going to listen to me. I don't think they're going to listen to any of us. So why get so up in arms about other people's opinions? The developers are going to come out with the game they're going to come out with. IF they come out with K3 at all (it is very possible that these forums are as close to K3 as we're going to get - I hope not, but it is possible). So until they come out with the release date or an announcement that they are, indeed, working on the game, then it's all just smoke up your skirt.

lukeiamyourdad
09-24-2005, 12:13 PM
Hey, I posted my opinion some time ago. So what? It's only an opinion. They sure as heck aren't going to listen to me. I don't think they're going to listen to any of us. So why get so up in arms about other people's opinions? The developers are going to come out with the game they're going to come out with. So until they come out with the release date or an announcement that they are, indeed, working on the game, then it's all just smoke up your skirt.

Now this is where you need to know what marketing is all about.

If the general opinion is x, then company will do x, even if the best solution is y.

Even if the developers say no, it's a bad idea, we don't want that, big LA marketing executive on top of their shoulder says:"Do it!"

fresnosmokey02
09-24-2005, 12:30 PM
Now this is where you need to know what marketing is all about.

If the general opinion is x, then company will do x, even if the best solution is y.

Even if the developers say no, it's a bad idea, we don't want that, big LA marketing executive on top of their shoulder says:"Do it!"

I know what marketing is all about. Mostly it's about finding a need and filling it or creating something and telling people why they need it.

When it comes to this game, though, if they are looking for input, I'd put my money on surveys and focus groups. Maybe a forum, but I wouldn't put my money on it. Especially one with a bunch of yahoos telling each other why their ideas stink.

But I'll tell you what...even if some smelly ideas do creep into K3 (providing of course that they actually do come out with the game) and the game is of the same class as K1 and K2, I am still going to buy the game. Also providing, of course, that that they don't take so long that I am no longer interested. Five years ago I wasn't playing any video games, so who knows if five years from now I will be interested in playing video games.

ForceFightWMe12
09-24-2005, 01:58 PM
Holy Crap, you guys. Lighten up. All this back and forth with "You don't know what you're talking about." - "No, you don't know what you're talking about." - "No, you're a moron and you still don't know what you're talking about." All this BS over a game, and a game we only assume is being made.


Seriously guys, you don't need to flip out. This is a forum, not a battle ground.

RobQel-Droma
09-24-2005, 03:40 PM
Like I said, he would face Sith Lords who are weak in the Force because of this Force vacuum? Or like Rob said, a place extremely strong in the dark side so that a Light Sider would be "blind", however, what if Revan was a Dark Sider? It poses quite a problem.

Yeah, I know, that does pose a problem. I don't think that there are any places where a dark sider would be "blind" because of the super strong light side maybe. Besides, even if it did it would invovle almost switching the storyline from fighting dark to fighting light. But anyways, how about this--> When Revan finally found the <insert enemy> in the unknown regions, the enemy realized that he was too dangerous of a threat. Collected the most powerful force users they pooled their strength and severed his connection to the force, causing him to lose all his force. After a while, he tried to reconnect with the force and was succesful because of his super strong connection to the force, therefore starting him at level one. Near the end, he finally regains all of his former force and becomes like he was before. However, by this time he is fighting some of the most powerful Sith in the galaxy, so he is just a match for them. Although, I am realizing that it would a lot easier with a new character if they are going to keep the style and gameplay of the other games.

Originally Posted by Vladimir-Vlada
Sorry, but you'll have to come up with a MUCH better argument than that. Revan's amnesia can be a vital asspect of the story.

IF they are going to make Revan the main character, I hope not. I mean come on, they could think up something different than that. What, he so powerful in fighting and in other areas he is very weak in stuff like memory? If you want a story filled with short term memory loss, then go watch "finding nemo". Otherwise, I would rather have a new character than Revan or Exile if they are going to forget everything again.

lukeiamyourdad
09-24-2005, 09:57 PM
When Revan finally found the <insert enemy> in the unknown regions, the enemy realized that he was too dangerous of a threat. Collected the most powerful force users they pooled their strength and severed his connection to the force, causing him to lose all his force. After a while, he tried to reconnect with the force and was succesful because of his super strong connection to the force, therefore starting him at level one. Near the end, he finally regains all of his former force and becomes like he was before. However, by this time he is fighting some of the most powerful Sith in the galaxy, so he is just a match for them.

This does make a lot of sense. It is a viable possibility I think.

Oh and if someone looks for a well formulated idea that isn't farfetched and is solid enough to hold, take this one as an example.

fresnosmokey02
09-24-2005, 11:17 PM
This does make a lot of sense. It is a viable possibility I think.

Oh and if someone looks for a well formulated idea that isn't farfetched and is solid enough to hold, take this one as an example.

And jumping 100ft and shooting lightning out of your fingers and using swords and something as impracticle as a lightsaber when you have blasters and lasers makes sense?<grin>

lukeiamyourdad
09-24-2005, 11:20 PM
And jumping 100ft and shooting lightning out of your fingers and using swords and something as impracticle as a lightsaber when you have blasters and lasers makes sense?<grin>


What is this exactly about? Do I detect sarcasm or something?

fresnosmokey02
09-24-2005, 11:44 PM
What is this exactly about? Do I detect sarcasm or something?

Yup, that's me. :blast9: :lol:

RedHawke
09-25-2005, 02:28 AM
@ Vladimir-Vlada, regurgitating my statements back to me is a really weak stance... Seriously, doing so without supporting anything you stated earlier means you have allready lost. ;)

[Insert Game Buzzer Sound Here]

[Alex Trebek] Ooooohhhh! Sorry! You are incorrect! Nice try though! :D

Vladimir-Vlada
09-26-2005, 09:26 AM
Holy Crap, you guys. Lighten up. All this back and forth with "You don't know what you're talking about." - "No, you don't know what you're talking about." - "No, you're a moron and you still don't know what you're talking about." All this BS over a game, and a game we only assume is being made.
All right, I am sorry for the outburst.

Seriously guys, you don't need to flip out. This is a forum, not a battle ground.
Um, what?!

* Holds his shotgun and starts reloading it... * just kidding

I apologise for my unapproapriate behaviour. I just sometimes get angry when someone over-reacts and accuses another person for hypocrisy because that person said how he imagines KOTOR 3.

I mean who is going to listen? I don't see anyone listening.

I mean I am sorry. I am sorry lukeiamyourdad, for not behaving properly...

theeautomator
09-27-2005, 08:12 AM
Well, in regards to all the talk of Revan and Exile's fates being fully revealed:

Open endings sure do keep people actively interested in a story, especially when it's over. That's the main basis of Role-Playing, especially in this storyline. People tend to like to think of their own endings or sidestories in regards to all of the characters, that's why everyone has conflicting ideas. Nobody posting in this thread can be right or wrong, so arguing is kind of pointless. I do have to say, though, that It would be difficult to include too many of the old characters into a new sequel.

After playing KotORII, I was very satisfied. Revan wasn't playable at all, but was still a major influence in the storyline. They made it so that whether or not you were dark or light, the sequel was cohesive. Some characters did make appearances, but for the most part the player was left to decide the fates of many of the characters they had played or interacted with in KotOR 1, through their imagination. I think they can still implement that successfull aspect of the game to a potential KotORIII, without reintroducing Revan or the Exile as playable characters.

What I also observed was that, one of the main reasons the story was so good was because you were always reading about people or civilizations of the past, and thinking about a potential future outside of your main character's paths. In the KotOR series, there seems to be many many stories within a story to keep you entertained throughout the entire game. From the epic overall picture, to the individual character's past lives, to the individual side-quests, and right down to the individual items, everything had it's own unique description, purpose, or direction.

It would be interesting to find out more information in regards to what had awaited our hero's/villains, but not to the extent where it reveals a straight answer as to whether the "dark" or "light" prevailed. It's impossible, since this isn't a straight story with one script. In this game series, there are potentially many stories that could be told deriving from the original outline.

I agree it would be nearly impossible to include Revan or the Exile in this potential KotORIII. It wouldn't be difficult to include the other party members as main characters, though. They did give you a choice in KotORII to decide whether or not Revan was good or evil, male or female. I can see NPCs asking you questions similar to the early KotORII conversation with Atton, to set similar values of how you percieved your past party members, if they were to become possible main PC's. That wouldn't really be too difficult. The "impossible" part, as others are trying to point out here, would just be finding a starting point (Stats and Abilities), for a main repeat character like Revan/Exile who we already know to be extremely powerful. Starting a game like this in regards to our main story is kind of silly. How many more powerful beings or creatures can there really be out in the galaxy, that are on par with seemingly all-powerful beings like Revan and the Exile, in this story. Revan, as we know, was the brilliant and revered war leader who could basically kill anyone or anything in the Galaxy at the end of KotOR1. The Exile became the fate or blight of the Galaxy also. There can't be much more than a small handful of Sith or evil beings that are more powerful than Revan/Exile, since they were basically god-like beings and saviors revered or feared by everyone. There would be a severe lack of "realistic" game development and content, as a lot of people are trying to state here in the thread. By realistic, I am referring to how it fits within our story's own "little" Star Wars universe.

So...

With all that said... if I had to choose who I'd like to see return as the main characters... Well, I can't. However, I will admit that I'd love to see a KotORIII that gives you the choice of playing as the Handmaiden, the Deciple, Bao-Dur, Visas, Mira, or Atton. As far as KotORII goes, these characters weren't as powerful or important to the end of the game as the Exile was, obviously. Their "destinies" weren't that clearly defined at the end of the game either. They are Jedi's though, still have a lot to learn, and room to expand. That's why I think they'd make for a good return to KotORIII as the main characters over Revan or Exile, if any. It would also be cool to either be able to interact with, or find pieces of information about the other KotOR 1 characters. Some of them were killed if you played darkside, this is true, but there could always be a twist in the story, such as... they didn't actually die, but you thought they died. Just a thought. It would work. My imagination shall continue to create its own stories for those characters when I'm bored or trying to go to sleep, though.

I also cannot forget HK-47 and T3-M4. They should be required to play some pivital role in the game as well. Clearly they were the real stars in these games. I'd like to see G0-T0 again also, I enjoyed the humor and mystery in that character droid just as much as the other two. Droid immortality is pretty huge in Star Wars I guess. If they died it would probably be more tragic than actual living beings.

RobQel-Droma
09-27-2005, 11:15 AM
I agree it would be nearly impossible to include Revan or the Exile in this potential KotORIII.

Why do you say that? Are you talking about Revan and Exile being party members, or are you talking about them just appearing. Because, if it is the latter, then I disagree with you. There really isn't any problem in the game itself with them showing up, I can't think of anything that would prevent it. If you can choose what Revan's alignment was and gender, like you talked about after, then you could choose what they looked like. Same goes for the Exile. As for Stats and Abilities, have a conversation where you choose their classes. Then, go with the recommended stats and skills for those classes, and then you decide a level. The max level is 20 in KotOR, and so Revan would be level 20 at the beginning of KotOR II, then a prestiege class, also decided by you, and then go on the usual amount of levels gained by the Exile and add it to his current total. Besides, you would find them near the end (if you weren't playing as one of them).


With all that said... if I had to choose who I'd like to see return as the main characters... Well, I can't. However, I will admit that I'd love to see a KotORIII that gives you the choice of playing as the Handmaiden, the Deciple, Bao-Dur, Visas, Mira, or Atton. As far as KotORII goes, these characters weren't as powerful or important to the end of the game as the Exile was, obviously. Their "destinies" weren't that clearly defined at the end of the game either. They are Jedi's though, still have a lot to learn, and room to expand. That's why I think they'd make for a good return to KotORIII as the main characters over Revan or Exile, if any. It would also be cool to either be able to interact with, or find pieces of information about the other KotOR 1 characters. Some of them were killed if you played darkside, this is true, but there could always be a twist in the story, such as...

Why does everyone want to see the people from KotOR II, or KotOR I? I think that you should have completely new characters, since most of the characters backstorys in both games were completed. I don't see that it would make a good game, if you had people you knew pretty much all that mattered about them, it would not be very interesting. Besides, as for the plot twist you suggested, I'm sorry, but I think that that would just be a bit stupid. I would be ok with just seeing an appearance and seeing what happened to them, but not them being characters again.

I also cannot forget HK-47 and T3-M4. They should be required to play some pivital role in the game as well. Clearly they were the real stars in these games. I'd like to see G0-T0 again also, I enjoyed the humor and mystery in that character droid just as much as the other two. Droid immortality is pretty huge in Star Wars I guess. If they died it would probably be more tragic than actual living beings.

Yes, they should bring back HK and T3. Quoting somebody else, "they are the C-3PO and R2-D2 of KotOR." However, with what you said about G0-T0, I think you are the only person I ever heard say that.

chaleur
09-27-2005, 05:14 PM
Why does everyone want to see the people from KotOR II, or KotOR I? I think that you should have completely new characters, since most of the characters backstorys in both games were completed.

I'd like to see a mix of old and new. There are lots of KotOR (i and ii) characters that could be developped more. I am sure we will see Bao Dur back, just because of Kreia's comments about him at the end, and I am in no way sorry about that. But new characters are essential also, to make for a different party dynamic.

RobQel-Droma
09-27-2005, 05:37 PM
Yeah, I do want to see some people from the earlier ones back, and some of the others making appearances, but I just don't want to see a party made up entirely KotOR I and II characters, as people have suggested. I hope they don't reuse more than four or so, including T3-M3 and HK-47 of course, and then another one or two, kind of like Mandoloure K2.

AnarKy
09-27-2005, 10:49 PM
Someone said that carth could be dead depending of how you played K1, but when and where I dont remember this option and i played the game 3 times ?

chaleur
09-28-2005, 12:21 AM
Someone said that carth could be dead depending of how you played K1, but when and where I dont remember this option and i played the game 3 times ?

Here's what I did: Play female Revan. Go LS all the way to the end, then on the Unknown planet, switch to the dark side. Carth will run away, and then come to the star forge to try and convert you one last time. You can't accept the offer, and he ends up dead.

That's how it worked for me, anyway. Though really, the ending I always WANTED was:Play female Revan. Go grey all the way. At the end, make the DS choice, and be a bad-ass. Then at the last possible moment (when Carth comes to the star forge and tells you to reconsider), do it. Sadly, you don't get the option to take him up on the offer. All the dialog options lead to his death.

chaleur
09-28-2005, 12:23 AM
Yeah, I do want to see some people from the earlier ones back, and some of the others making appearances, but I just don't want to see a party made up entirely KotOR I and II characters, as people have suggested.

Just out of curiousity, which ones would you like to see: (a) as possible party members, and (b) making appearances?

RobQel-Droma
09-28-2005, 11:26 AM
possible party members-
(a) T3-M3
HK-47
after that, I am not really sure, maybe one of these-
Atton
Bao-Dur
Bastila(if she is still alive)

As I said, I don't want all of those, just one or two of them. For making reappearances, I would like to see-
(b)Mission Vao
Carth Onasi
Bastila (I know I already mentioned her but I would like her to reappear if she doesn't become a party member)
Jolee(maybe as a force ghost)
Visas Marr

That is what I might like for party members and reappearances.

pafan
09-28-2005, 11:42 AM
Hi to all. I am of the opinion that the story in KOTOR III can be as exciting -if not more- as the prequels with a completely new PC. It will have to be a slightly bigger story though. Let's assume that there are troubled times -as always in Star Wars universe- and you start with a new character. This character will be no Jedi with the choice, as in KOTOR I, to be soldier, scout or scoundrel and the player will face tough challenges as an entry point (much like Taris or Peragus), where there will be encounters who will give information on the story about what happened to Revan and the exile, but not before asking the player some info about their genre and alignment. It could also be that, in connection to the player's alignment and the responses given earlier, an encounter with Revan or the exile can be arranged so that one of them becomes the player's tutor (maybe in a quest to stop the other one?), like Kreia's role in II. The possibilities are limitless.

pafan
09-30-2005, 11:48 AM
Another idea I had is... how would you like it if you could save your character at the end of the game and be able to insert it as a starting point in KOTOR 4 say? Could it be done? I guess it could and, if it did, would you people like it to start KOTOR 4 from where you left KOTOR 3 off?

fresnosmokey02
09-30-2005, 11:52 AM
Another idea I had is... how would you like it if you could save your character at the end of the game and be able to insert it as a starting point in KOTOR 4 say? Could it be done? I guess it could and, if it did, would you people like it to start KOTOR 4 from where you left KOTOR 3 off?

You could probably do something like that as some sort of expansion pack or something, but a new game needs to appeal to new players, and you wouldn't be able to do that in that fashion.

Kain
09-30-2005, 12:26 PM
Know what'd be awesome? Someone was talking about importing your character from 3 to 4. It wouldn't be too difficult to make you able to port Revan or the Exile from your previous saved games into 3 if they decide to make either of them the main character. That way, your running the game directly from the choices you made before and you don't got to get some vague references about them through some old bitch in a hood.

RobQel-Droma
09-30-2005, 02:40 PM
Ok, this time I am going to let you mortals all see what my great mind is thinking about for characters (well, not really), but anways...If you look at KI and KII, there is obvious similarities between the party members. THe main characters are alike (not necessarily in personality), but in what type of character. So I think that you will have-

Female Jedi Guardian :slsaber: (main character, romance option for males)
Male person with blasters :twogun: (main character, romance option for females)
T3-M3
HK-47
Another Jedi [I want to see someone like Canderous' (or another character from I or II) daughter or son who was force sensitive. Now that would be cool. He/she would have a lightsaber but at the same time carry around a big gun and wouldn't be able to make up his/her mind what to use (:saberb: or :blubeam:?). That might make some really funny scenes]
A non-Jedi Alien :greedo: (the mission vao/mira character. This time, I want a rodian with a blaster and vibroblade that is super quick with a pistol :jumpfire:, it is time we had one. I also want him to be trainable as a jedi)
A wookie :wookiee: [I realize that there are people who hate wookies, but I think that we at least should be able to have th chewbacca character. Also, I would like it if somebody could train him as a jedi (now there is an idea for a mod of KotOR I-make zaalbar a jedi). There have been jedi wookies you know!]
Heavy Weapons Guy :blaze6: (It would be good if Canderous was back again, or at least a mandalorian or someone else well suited for the part)
A Jedi or Soldier (For KotOR III I hope that they will put in a regular soldier, maybe of the opposite gender with their own republic armor. He/She could also be trained as a Jedi.

That is my general idea for the characters. Please let me know what you think about the ideas for the characters or the list of the types of characters itself.

AnarKy
10-03-2005, 12:55 AM
This time, I want a rodian with a blaster and vibroblade that is super quick with a pistol

Yeah I agree it would be great to get a rodian

And i would like a droid that can be equipped with with vibroblade, it could be an Hk version ( I hope they will finish the Hk-50 story in the 3)

pafan
10-03-2005, 08:50 AM
You could probably do something like that as some sort of expansion pack or something, but a new game needs to appeal to new players, and you wouldn't be able to do that in that fashion.


I completely understand your point, but, hey, it will be a new game, but not a new story. Whoever wants to import their character from a previous game will be free to do so, whoever is new to the series could get to choose his/her character, much in the way we get to choose the character we're starting with, only this time, more points will be available to spend on many feats and/or main force powers and attributes. The 20 level limit would have then found a new purpose, to have everyone start from the same level in the sequel.

Jedi Pawn
10-11-2005, 09:07 PM
I'm new to this forum so I don't know if this has been discussed, but since Kotor III is rumored to be about 14 years after Kotor II (and thus about 19-20 years after Kotor I), could the PC be the offspring of Revan & Carth/Bastila? Such a character would have strong motivation to head off after Revan (and clearly potential as Jedi material!!) & may even have trained at Handmaiden's/Disciple's school for Jedi. Kotor III could even start there. A way-out-there conjecture i know, but something to consider.

RobQel-Droma
10-11-2005, 09:15 PM
Welcome!

I don't think that has been really discussed, but I think that Revan would have left and gone to the Unknown Regions before that could have happened. Of course, Bastila might have gotten pregnant, but as for if Revan was female, I doubt that she would have gotten pregnant and had the time to have the baby before she went off into the unknown regions. And personally, I hope that it is not 14 years after KotOR II, I think it should be a little bit shorter.

AnarKy
10-12-2005, 12:37 AM
I'm new to this forum so I don't know if this has been discussed, but since Kotor III is rumored to be about 14 years after Kotor II (and thus about 19-20 years after Kotor I), could the PC be the offspring of Revan & Carth/Bastila? Such a character would have strong motivation to head off after Revan (and clearly potential as Jedi material!!) & may even have trained at Handmaiden's/Disciple's school for Jedi. Kotor III could even start there. A way-out-there conjecture i know, but something to consider.

I started a thread about that the possibility of been revan's son : Story idea for kotor 3

pafan
10-13-2005, 03:53 AM
The only problem that I can see is, Bastilla got killed in many people's games in KOTOR I, but then again this did not stop her to make an appearance in KOTOR II -even if it was a short one.

chaleur
10-13-2005, 05:16 AM
And i would like a droid that can be equipped with with vibroblade, it could be an Hk version ( I hope they will finish the Hk-50 story in the 3)

I am totally with you on that one. HK-47 is my bad-ass. I don't want my bad-ass hiding in the back of the party.

Gasha
10-13-2005, 12:29 PM
I saw someone came up with the idea to make it possible to import your character from kotor 3 to kotor 4. Can't they do the same thing for kotor 3? why not give the option to import your revan and exile from the save files (though have the option to randomly generate them, for those who don't own kotor 1 or 2). It would solve all the problems with revan and the exiles unique gender and appearence. Only problem is that most people would properbly just run around with revan and the exile since they can customize them to perfectly suit their needs, and make them much better then the other party members.

RobQel-Droma
10-13-2005, 12:35 PM
Yeah, but as you said, they need to be able to actually have another option like custimazing them in-game, because some people don't actually own KotOR, even if they have played it. I personally don't like the idea, but that is just my opinion. And besides, even in my games, my Revan is almost always different in my save games, due to all the options. What would you do, just pick a random save file every time you start a game? And how would you do that if the save game was in the middle of the game (I am actually asking this last one because I don't know how that would work, if at all).

lukeiamyourdad
10-13-2005, 05:53 PM
How would XBox users port their Revan and Exile?

Darth Serebus
10-14-2005, 04:00 PM
The xbox would simply ask you which data file of Kotor and data file of kotor 2 you would like to input. This was the original idea behind kotor 2 before they went with the exille idea. The personality of each of the NEW NPC's would be based solely upon alignments including Nuetral alignment if your characters were that at the end.

Or as stated in another thread. The NPC's would ask some pretty simple questions during gameplay that would dictate who your previous PC's were. Such as gender, alignment, etc. All these questions could be satisfied. But I think in regards to REVAN, the mask is easier to convey than the exxile. The exille's look would require you to answe more question during gameplay.

My Kotor Idea includes this suggestion. Its easier to program in teh choose your own adventure style game play.

lukeiamyourdad
10-14-2005, 06:15 PM
The xbox would simply ask you which data file of Kotor and data file of kotor 2 you would like to input.

How would you do that between an XBox and a 360?

pafan
10-21-2005, 05:26 AM
@ Gasha: There's no way of importing the exile, as, in each game, there might be huge differences in level between people's games, so that could mean a different starting point for everyone, which is not good. This limitation, however, does not exist for Revan in KOTOR I (there was a limit in twentieth level).

As for x-box, people, I'm sorry I have never gotten a console such as this one, so I don't know how -or if- it could be done. But importing characters is an idea that could be implemented in next installments of the KOTOR story, if it cannot be done for the previous ones.

Darth333
10-21-2005, 10:25 AM
Importing characters would suck...that could be ok for an expansion pack but a starting a new game at lvl 30 or so? Forget it. I wouldn't even buy the game. They want to be able to attract a new audience, not just people who already own the game...

Let's start fresh with a new PC: there are better chances to get a good story than just an all patched together "thing" and it's always more interesting.

RedHawke
10-22-2005, 01:44 AM
^^^^
I agree wholeheartedly Darth333! :D

But it seems the ADD generation button-mashing console kiddies don't understand this. :roleyess: