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ET Warrior
09-12-2005, 02:03 PM
So while it's not a big flat out lie, it seems that those delicious screenshots of madden NFL 360 everyone was eyeballing when they released them back in the day were perhaps a bit of an exaggeration. http://egm.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143540

Can't say I'm surprised that it doesn't look as good as they said it would, what I AM surprised about is how little better it looks than madden '06. '06 just came out this month, are people really going to fork over another 50-60 bucks for the new madden in two months when the graphical improvements are minimal?

Prime
09-12-2005, 02:09 PM
'06 just came out this month, are people really going to fork over another 50-60 bucks for the new madden in two months when the graphical improvements are minimal?Yes. Because they are suckers.

Datheus
09-12-2005, 03:06 PM
Yes. Because they are suckers.

Quoted to emphasize accuracy.

Lynk Former
09-12-2005, 03:19 PM
*shrugs* so what's new then?

Alegis
09-12-2005, 04:26 PM
I was wondering when they'd start to do this **** since they bought the license. Fork out a nice sum to rape the public.

RoxStar
09-12-2005, 04:45 PM
Still looks pretty nice to me...

BongoBob
09-12-2005, 04:56 PM
Well we all knew that EA was gonna do this. Makes me wonder about the other EA games that they have announced for 360.

God I hate EA :mad:

IG-64
09-12-2005, 05:02 PM
Makes me wonder about all of the PS3 games.

BongoBob
09-12-2005, 05:03 PM
I've always been skeptical about the PS3 game footage. Until I see that the specs are finallized, and beeing produced into final machines, I won't believe them, and until I see someone sitting down and playing one of the games, I won't believe them either.

RoxStar
09-12-2005, 05:29 PM
Makes me wonder about all of the PS3 games.

Haha, the first time I read the Game Informer article about the PS3 I immiedaitly yelled "bull****" when my friends was over :p.

El Sitherino
09-12-2005, 05:36 PM
See, this is why you people would do better to listen to me.
"Oh no Sith, that's totally in-game footage".

HA!
[/rubbing it in]

Samuel Dravis
09-12-2005, 05:37 PM
It's not that uncommon. Hyped things almost always look worse than what they actually are...

Lynk Former
09-12-2005, 06:24 PM
You guys do realise that we've already been through all of this with the PS2 and Xbox... How both Sony and Microsoft showed off uber sweet lookin demo's and when push came to shove most games didn't even come close to how good those demos.

Feanaro
09-12-2005, 06:43 PM
It's not that uncommon. Hyped things almost always look worse than what they actually are...
Wow, reminds a whole lot of Fable, only not with the graphics, but gameplay.

the_raven_03
09-12-2005, 07:21 PM
This doesn't surprise me the slightest. Now that they don't have any competition, they can do as little as they want year to year.

TiE23
09-12-2005, 07:28 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/comic.jpg
(Edited for the young'ns)


http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2005/20050912l.jpg

Thank you penny arcade! :D

coupes.
09-12-2005, 08:13 PM
The first images were hight resolution images of what the game might look like. At the time the specs for the the next gen systems were not set in stone, so it couldn't have been actual gameplay footage. The new video, which is very low resolution, shows in-game footage that was possibly taken from an early build of the game or of the game played on hardware inferior to the real 360. The same thing happened with the Killzone demo on PS3.

Just wait and see, it's possible it'll turn out much better that you expect, besides the first generation of games on a new console never look as good as 2nd or 3rd generation titles.

ET Warrior
09-12-2005, 08:36 PM
My point is not that the first games out look bad and all the games that come out will look bad. I am aware that is not the case. What I laugh at is how EA went so far as to say those early renders were probably even worse than what we will see in-game.

They have two more months, and I highly doubt they'll bring it up even close to those renders. It looks nearly identical to Madden '06, which means they're shipping what will, in essence be the exact same game as '06 with a little shine in only two months. And people will still buy it because they are retarded.

Mike Windu
09-12-2005, 09:24 PM
I think 2 words can effectively express my thoughts on this: oh well.

Lawl @ Penny Arcade.

(maybe those renders are actually for the CG intro movie? :p)

El Sitherino
09-12-2005, 09:45 PM
(maybe those renders are actually for the CG intro movie? :p)
Then they still lied.

coupes.
09-12-2005, 10:03 PM
Like I said, we don't know how recent the newly released footage is, but let's assume it's what the final game will look like. We're still comparing this really small and compressed video to the high resolution footage we saw a couple of months ago. You obviously loose a lot of detail due to the small size and poor quality of the video, mainly in the textures department. We can't really see any of the details on the jerseys, faces or field (as in the early footage), but it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Also, note that most of the first footage consists of closeups of player's face and whatnot, however, the new footage looks more like a real game would look like (from father away), but if you were to zoom in on the players, I wouldn't be surprised to see a quality similar to what we saw in the old video. You also have to take into account the fact that the first clip was set in a winter setting, with snowflakes, player's breath, etc. wheras the new clip doesn't offer the same image richness or complexity. Again, the fact that such a high level of detail wasn't shown in the video doesn't mean it won't be part of the final game.

I thought the video, albeit of poor quality, showed impressive graphics. The dynamic lighting, reflections, shadows and models looked very good and very well done to me. And after looking at some screens from the xbox version, I can clearly see a difference. There are no more jaggies, the lighting is much better and the models are made up of much more polygons, the textures on the xbox were also on the low-res side, you really can't compare the two IMO.

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see to know for sure.

Mike Windu
09-12-2005, 10:04 PM
Then they still lied.

Oh I know.

I'm just saying. =P

shukrallah
09-12-2005, 10:26 PM
Well if you watched that video you coulda guessed it was prerendered... I don't recall any gameplay, but its been a while.


Just wait and see, it's possible it'll turn out much better that you expect, besides the first generation of games on a new console never look as good as 2nd or 3rd generation titles.

Well, there are exceptions. A few games, in my opinion, look better than there sequals. EX: Star Fox Adventures Vs. Star Fox Assault. While Assault looks good, I like Adventures' graphics better.

Mike Windu
09-12-2005, 10:48 PM
Now if only they could apply that to the classic Fox, and make the games not suck. :p

El Sitherino
09-12-2005, 11:00 PM
Now if only they could apply that to the classic Fox, and make the games not suck. :p
... Are you saying the original Star Fox sucks? Because if you are, I will have to destroy you.

Mike Windu
09-13-2005, 12:14 AM
He mentioned Adventures and Assault.

Not SF64 or SNES SF.

Silly bear. :D

Mex
09-13-2005, 03:08 AM
We're still comparing this really small and compressed video to the high resolution footage we saw a couple of months ago.

Stop trying to fool yourself. Even if it is "small and compressed" it would look almost exactly the same at a higher resolution.

Lightsaberboy
09-13-2005, 04:01 AM
i'm not that surprised. when i saw the game at E3, the graphics looked nothing like they did in the video, and just looked slightly more polished than '05.

Tyrion
09-13-2005, 04:07 AM
It's EA. They don't really care when they lie and exaggerate, as long as it gets them sales.

*still is waiting for the BF 1.03 patch...*

coupes.
09-13-2005, 04:31 AM
Stop trying to fool yourself. Even if it is "small and compressed" it would look almost exactly the same at a higher resolution.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/coupes/pics/uncompressed.jpg
Big + Uncompressed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/coupes/pics/uncompressed2.jpg
Small + Uncompressed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/coupes/pics/compressed2.jpg
Big + Compressed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/coupes/pics/compressed.jpg
Small + Compressed

shukrallah
09-13-2005, 06:06 PM
Thats a noticable difference...

TiE23
09-13-2005, 08:06 PM
Looks the same to me.

Here is some comparison:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/compare_1.jpg
(Site photo plus resized but not compressed "render")

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/compare_2.jpg
(Site photo plus resized and compressed "render")

Looks about the same to me, same details, different lighting and angles.

The snow makes it more dramatic. Breath in cold weather games has been around since atleast Madden 2003 (my guess)
Anyone played Topspin? You know how after a play it zooms on your player and it shows his or her sweat (reflective), real time shadows and pixel shaders? Well, that doesnt appear in-game. Its a vanity shot.

What I mean is that the part where the coach is talking to the guy is a vanity shot, where the detail is upped to make it look nice. I think its supposed to do this when you are calling the plays.

When the game resumes, some detail is lost and normal not-as-detailed faces are replaced with the really nice stuff you see in vanity shots to keep the FPS up. Cause 30+ players on screen, you have to tune down one or two settings (self shadowing and detailed faces) and it doesnt matter when they guys are running around '20ft below you'.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/vanity.jpg

Mike Windu
09-13-2005, 08:15 PM
coupes ftw!

Either way, there's not much you can do about it even if they did lie. :p

shukrallah
09-13-2005, 08:25 PM
Breath in cold weather games has been around since atleast Madden 2003 (my guess)

You could see Jaden's breath in JKA too.

TiE23
09-13-2005, 11:24 PM
You could see Jaden's breath in JKA too.
They had it in Metal Gear Solid 2. Damn, that game was made in 2000 and it still looks good and has more details than games that come out today. :D

shukrallah
09-14-2005, 07:45 AM
Yeah, thats true. They rated it the best looking PS2 game...

jon_hill987
09-14-2005, 04:31 PM
EA has always done this, with all of their sports games, the FIFA serise is the same. you got one you got em all. Ok so they rename the players and fidle with the physics butit is still the same game.

jokemaster
09-14-2005, 05:45 PM
Everyone lies
-House

Tervuren
09-21-2005, 04:45 PM
All this about graphics, does anyone care for gameplay or smoothness of FPS anymore?

most of the games I play, are 5-10+ years old. Gameplay counts a lot with me, much more then graphics.

coupes.
09-22-2005, 02:46 AM
Sorry to bump this, but I though this was interesting...

http://www.maddenmania.com/images.html

Make sure to download the .zip file at the bottom of the page to see some 5120 x 2880 goodness !

ET Warrior
09-22-2005, 02:52 AM
<_<

>_>


I do so love the taste of crow

Prime
09-22-2005, 09:40 AM
You could see Jaden's breath in JKA too.And TSL...

Darth Groovy
09-22-2005, 08:52 PM
On a side note....word on the street is that Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 is just terrible. You should have heard the customers today.

EA sports.....in the game....whatever.....:rolleyes:

toms
09-23-2005, 06:39 AM
I remember reading that they added some really stupid feature to Tiger Woods 06... but i can't remember what it was.
Thats the problem with bringing out new versions every year, you start running out of real improvements to make and adding stupid unneeded ones.

Can't really see what else you can do with golf games, until the revolution at least.