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Jmaster3265
09-12-2005, 04:37 PM
Does anyone all the heroes for the rebels and imperials, and their powers or abilities? :x-wing: :vsd:

StealthWar42
09-12-2005, 04:45 PM
Well, we know that darth vader gets some anti-tank stuff and a "force push" attack vs. infantry. And that he's incredibly tough. Other than that, I don't think there's much info yet.

Nevets1112
09-12-2005, 05:07 PM
All the heros are not yet known, so far we know:

Rebel:
Obi-wan (Force Heal, Death Star destruction, stealth)
Han and Chewie (Stealth, Evasive luck, vechicle thief, siphon credit)
Porkins
Kyle Katarn (Sabatoge, sabatoge economic control, galactic stealth)

Imps:
Darth Vader
Emperor
Veers
Boba Fett
Mara Jade

DK_Viceroy
09-13-2005, 03:56 PM
Obi-wan (Force Heal, Death Star destruction, stealth)
Kyle Katarn (Sabatoge, sabatoge economic control, galactic stealth)


Sounds like a pair of increadibly OP heroes to me, I mean come on what's Obi-wan gonna do to a death star while it's in orbit and he's on a planet? hurl abuse at it?

Same for Kyle Kataen how's he gonna (what I can only assume what this bizzare power does) stealth a planet because it certainly sounds like it, such a feat was only pulled off once and it required a whole host of Jedi Masters not a commando that flicks between cutting himself off from the force to using it?

Honestly those powers go against all reason sense and more importantly divine and sacred holy star wars Canon Truism.

Jamps
09-14-2005, 09:30 PM
Well I'm glad to see Kyle make an appearance in the game. I wonder what kind of stuff their gonna have him do (story-wise and such.)

Not to mention the voiceover for him.

lukeiamyourdad
09-14-2005, 10:54 PM
Sounds like a pair of increadibly OP heroes to me, I mean come on what's Obi-wan gonna do to a death star while it's in orbit and he's on a planet? hurl abuse at it?

Maybe embark him on a ship and land him on the Death Star?

Same for Kyle Kataen how's he gonna (what I can only assume what this bizzare power does) stealth a planet because it certainly sounds like it, such a feat was only pulled off once and it required a whole host of Jedi Masters not a commando that flicks between cutting himself off from the force to using it?


My guess is the power makes ships invisible or it makes himself invisible from detection if he's implented on an enemy planet.
Nothing like hiding a planet.

Nevets1112
09-14-2005, 10:58 PM
My guess is the power makes ships invisible or it makes himself invisible from detection if he's implented on an enemy planet.
Nothing like hiding a planet.

Yea, I am thinking something along those lines as well. Something to do with being able to move around freely without being detected.

Jan Gaarni
09-15-2005, 02:31 AM
It is important to realise about Kyle, that he is in no way a Jedi at this point in time, much less aware that he is Force capable. He didn't even know that his own father was once a Jedi until some time after RotJ.

DK_Viceroy
09-15-2005, 10:40 AM
Maybe embark him on a ship and land him on the Death Star?

Nothing like hiding a planet.

He'd have to be rediculously expensive for him to be able to destroy a death star

And also It's not Canon in anyway shape or form particularly at the time scale for a single Flip Flop Jedi to cloak a planet.

lukeiamyourdad
09-15-2005, 03:26 PM
He'd have to be rediculously expensive for him to be able to destroy a death star

Highly probable.

And also It's not Canon in anyway shape or form particularly at the time scale for a single Flip Flop Jedi to cloak a planet.

Have you actually read the whole post?

DK_Viceroy
09-16-2005, 04:13 PM
I'm focusiung on the bit that says

"Nothing like hiding a planet."

That to me sounds like your cloaking/strealthing the planet.

popcorn2008
09-16-2005, 06:05 PM
Stealth is generally either cloaking the person or a group of people around the person. I dont think that means whole planets.

DK_Viceroy
09-16-2005, 06:09 PM
Nothing like hiding a planet.

he said Hiding a planet not hiding a person or a group of people.

lukeiamyourdad
09-16-2005, 06:52 PM
My guess is the power makes ships invisible or it makes himself invisible from detection if he's implented on an enemy planet.
Nothing like hiding a planet.

*quotes himself since Viceroy likes to take small parts of posts, put it out of context and post a reply.

DK_Viceroy
09-17-2005, 03:42 AM
then why bother saying all of that if he's invisible of course he'll be invisible on an enemy planet, but then why say that there's nothing like hiding an actual planet?

lukeiamyourdad
09-17-2005, 08:38 AM
My suppositions were nothing like hiding a planet.

It was a counter to your post about Kyle hiding a planet.
Then I said that it could be something better then that.
Which in turn is not hiding a planet.

Nevets seems to have understood...

starmark2k
09-17-2005, 11:29 AM
I think when LIAYD saying said "Nothing like hiding a planet." he ment "It isn't anything like hiding an entire planet." at least thats what i thought he ment.

lukeiamyourdad
09-17-2005, 01:01 PM
That's exactly what I meant.

popcorn2008
09-17-2005, 01:33 PM
Luke said nothing like hiding a planet because Dk, you were the first one to even suggest Kyle cloaking a planet. And he was just saying Nothing like hiding a planet because it is nothing like hiding a planet.... What's not to understand Dk?

Jmaster3265
09-17-2005, 02:17 PM
I think when LIAYD saying said "Nothing like hiding a planet." he ment "It isn't anything like hiding an entire planet." at least thats what i thought he ment.


So you are a man liayd, if not why didn't you correct him that your a girl... :smash:

starmark2k
09-17-2005, 02:29 PM
LIAYD is a guy i've seen is photo in that send your photo thread in KotOR forums ... also isn't this just a tad off topic.

popcorn2008
09-17-2005, 05:43 PM
Jmaster, he did correct me in a way in the other forum, he said I could be a dutch goddess if I was female (he said a few other things). So he must be a guy. Sorry for off topic post.

lukeiamyourdad
09-17-2005, 05:46 PM
This is alright geeks. The question of my gender has been raised more then once.

Men tend to hit on me quite often on forums.
Except for Stealthwar. He's smart :)

Jan Gaarni
09-17-2005, 05:51 PM
I myself was believed to be a woman by several in the earlier years of my time here on LucasForums. :)

Might be due to my first name. ;)

lukeiamyourdad
09-17-2005, 06:25 PM
Yeah, I used to think you were a woman back in 2003 I think.

I remember you posting at the Star Wars boards and thinking:"Wow, this chick knows her Star Wars stuff!"

:D

Jan Gaarni
09-17-2005, 06:32 PM
See? ;) :D

Well, enough of this chit chatting. :p

FroZticles
09-17-2005, 08:24 PM
Luke not all of us are completely cluelss if you looked like your avatars why would you be here?

lukeiamyourdad
09-17-2005, 08:47 PM
No, not everyone is clueless, but most of the people who PMed me about my avatar was to ask me out or something. He's the only one who actually asked who the person was instead of hitting on me.

And what would stop a hot chick from posting on an internet forum? I go to the Famke Janssen online forums and there's A LOT of very good looking european girls there.

Jmaster3265
09-17-2005, 11:05 PM
This is alright geeks. The question of my gender has been raised more then once.

Men tend to hit on me quite often on forums.
Except for Stealthwar. He's smart :)


Who hits on you? and if you enjoy that if anyone is even hitting on you..wouldn't that make you gay..anyways back on topic, the question on the scale has been answered. I can't wait to be able to control the scale, make vadar huge, lol

lukeiamyourdad
09-17-2005, 11:23 PM
I had a lot of PMs and e-mails concerning me being hot. The only thing I really enjoy is seeing geeks worshipping an avatar :D Makes me laugh.

It's mean I know, but what can you do about it :D ?

FroZticles
09-18-2005, 12:48 AM
Geeks who worship it are just as bad as the person who has it :)

starmark2k
09-18-2005, 04:09 AM
And what would stop a hot chick from posting on an internet forum?

This is the only reason why i'm here

I go to the Famke Janssen online forums and there's A LOT of very good looking european girls there.

And what would this address be... :D

Jmaster3265
09-18-2005, 11:24 AM
First of all, ha if your calling us geeks? Aren't you just as one for being on this star wars forum? I mean you do know all this star wars information, i hardly know much..i would say that your the GEEK. Secondly i don't your avatar is hot at all. Its Natalie Portman right? I don't think shes hot at all...neither is the photo shes in....

lukeiamyourdad
09-18-2005, 11:44 AM
Froz- Not really. At the beginning, it was never meant to be used that way. Only after a few PMs did I understand the power I wielded :D

starmark2k- http://www.famkejanssenonline.com/

Jmaster- Did you actually hit on me? Why would you feel bad about me calling people who do hit on me geeks then?
It's meant as a pejorative term simply because they were hitting seriously on someone over an internet forum based solely on their avatar.
I ain't saying I'm not geeky, just not that kind of geek.

And you should no your women better ;) It looks nothing like Natalie Portman. Maybe I should bring back the old gothic avvy. People liked it...

Jmaster3265
09-18-2005, 03:30 PM
Ok first that post you said made no sense, how ma i hitting on you, i called YOU the geek...and aren't you gay for having pleasure of boys hitting on you because of your avatar...i don't know any boys who think it is pleasurable to have guys hit on them...;)

Jmaster3265
09-18-2005, 03:30 PM
Ok first that post you said made no sense, how am i hitting on you, i called YOU the geek...and aren't you gay for having pleasure of boys hitting on you because of your avatar...i don't know any boys who think it is pleasurable to have guys hit on them...;)

Jmaster3265
09-18-2005, 03:31 PM
Ok first that post you said made no sense, how am i hitting on you, i called YOU the geek...and aren't you gay for having pleasure of boys hitting on you because of your avatar...i don't know any boys who think it is pleasurable to have guys hit on them...;)

p.s why is the site loading so slow?

lukeiamyourdad
09-18-2005, 05:21 PM
Ok first that post you said made no sense, how ma i hitting on you, i called YOU the geek...and aren't you gay for having pleasure of boys hitting on you because of your avatar...i don't know any boys who think it is pleasurable to have guys hit on them...;)


Actually, you're making no sense. I never said you were hitting on me. I'm saying that you shouldn't feel concerned about me calling people who hit on my avatar geeks, IF you don't hit on me.

I don't see anything "gay". It's enjoying seeing those guys' reaction when I tell them I have a penis.

Why has it been so hard to understand me lately?!

cardif
09-18-2005, 06:53 PM
man... his avaters rock..

ps: i usually use a female avatar as well ... and i am not gay ;D

popcorn2008
09-18-2005, 07:59 PM
Can we stay on topic people? lol Now that we have this gender issue sorted out.

Jmaster3265
09-18-2005, 08:38 PM
Froz- Not really. At the beginning, it was never meant to be used that way. Only after a few PMs did I understand the power I wielded :D

starmark2k- http://www.famkejanssenonline.com/

Jmaster- Did you actually hit on me? Why would you feel bad about me calling people who do hit on me geeks then?
It's meant as a pejorative term simply because they were hitting seriously on someone over an internet forum based solely on their avatar.
I ain't saying I'm not geeky, just not that kind of geek.

And you should no your women better ;) It looks nothing like Natalie Portman. Maybe I should bring back the old gothic avvy. People liked it...



yes you did say if i was hitting on you...and well i feel its gay and not assuming to see guys who think your avatar is hot and etc. and you find that enjoyable and your a guy..anyways can we stay back on topic, or can a mod please close this thread....

lukeiamyourdad
09-18-2005, 10:26 PM
I don't take enjoyment from my persona being "hit" on, but I take pleasure in seeing people acting like idiots over the internet.

Jan Gaarni
09-19-2005, 05:17 AM
Uhum .....

We were discussing Heroes and Abilities.

Take this debate either to the Off-Topic forums, or via PM's.

starmark2k
09-19-2005, 07:12 AM
well back on topic i know slaze 1 is in the game.

Jan Gaarni
09-19-2005, 10:29 AM
I assume Slave 1 is what you mean. :)

Slave 1 though isn't a hero. :D

Jmaster3265
09-19-2005, 04:14 PM
Yeah, do you mean Boba fett? :fett2:

popcorn2008
09-19-2005, 07:39 PM
I think he's referring to bobba fetts or jango fetts ship, as seen in episode 2 and 5.

lukeiamyourdad
09-19-2005, 08:05 PM
Of course he is. The ship however is not the hero, Boba Fett is.

FroZticles
09-20-2005, 05:21 AM
Boba Fett being a hero is definately up for debate. Since when did the Rebels or Empire crown him as there hero. Vader used him then went on with his business.

starmark2k
09-20-2005, 05:42 AM
I think the Term 'Hero' is used for a Unique unit that has special abilities who is based on a character from the Star wars films or EU.

This is why i think Slave 1 counts as a hero as it has special abilities and is unique being bases on a ship from the SW Episodes 2 and 5

Jan Gaarni
09-20-2005, 06:24 AM
Ok, but then again, you can place hero people inside ships no doubt (like you do in Rebellion for instance) which gives bonus' to the fleets abilities.

And, hero units can't be built, they must be recruited. Otherwise it would be silly to introduce hero units.

starmark2k
09-20-2005, 03:13 PM
hero units can't be built, they must be recruited. Otherwise it would be silly to introduce hero units.
I agree but how would you go about recruiting them. would it be simply based on some sort of notoriity. or will it be differant for each Hero.

Jan Gaarni
09-20-2005, 05:28 PM
Well, first of all, I'm not going to claim that any of this is how it will play out in this game, just so we are clear on this point. Too little info on this subject so far to say anything certain. :)

However, one way of recruiting would be by sending high ranking people already under your command (if you can call Vader under your command for instance :D ) on a mission to recruit new hero units on your side. Hero units could be anything from different officers (Jerjerrod, Thrawn, Tarkin I would presume :) ) which would give bonus's to your troops on the ground and/or crews on your ships (perhaps depending on the type of rank they can hold), to Boba Fett for instance, who's job is to assassinate, sabotage, espionage, dirty work like that. ;)

Naja
09-21-2005, 02:40 AM
It's been said that you can acquire heroes by liberating/annexing their home world. So, that said, I assume that you start the game with your "core" heroes (Palpatine, Vader, Tarkin/Mon Mothma, Leia, Garm Bel Iblis), and as you acquire more worlds, more people join your cause. We must remember, this is not Star Wars: Rebellion; there is no recruiting, in that sense.

Jan Gaarni
09-21-2005, 03:20 AM
I must have missed that part. :)
That works too.

Either way, Slave 1 will most likely not be a hero unit as it is a machine that must be controlled by a living thing.


Just a small insert: This is Rebellion .. the way it should have been. ;)

Naja
09-21-2005, 05:00 AM
...with a much less Byzantine interface!! :)

Jmaster3265
09-21-2005, 04:50 PM
I must have missed that part. :)
That works too.

Either way, Slave 1 will most likely not be a hero unit as it is a machine that must be controlled by a living thing.


Just a small insert: This is Rebellion .. the way it should have been. ;)

no..in the interview they stated it's not like rebellion or SWGB

Zehoan
09-21-2005, 08:03 PM
What side do you think boba fett would be recruitable on? I think both cause if you think about it hes not evil...he is jsut a bounty hunter

popcorn2008
09-21-2005, 09:03 PM
Hmm Boba Fett.... well I would hope that he could be recruited by the team who offers the best price. Because like you said he is a bounty hunter. Of course bounty hunters have a tendency to work for the bad guys lol

Jan Gaarni
09-22-2005, 02:19 AM
no..in the interview they stated it's not like rebellion or SWGB
I didn't say it is like Rebellion, I said it's how Rebellion should have been. ;)

starmark2k
09-22-2005, 03:34 AM
Hmm Boba Fett.... well I would hope that he could be recruited by the team who offers the best price. Because like you said he is a bounty hunter. Of course bounty hunters have a tendency to work for the bad guys lol

I'm pretty sure he will be empire only as he only worked for the empire out of the two factions in the films.

popcorn2008
09-22-2005, 03:10 PM
But this game is about making your own star wars story. What happened in the movie is irrelevant. Bounty Hunters will work for who ever pays the best price. At least that's the realistic point of view. But of course they may make him empire only, because they love fighting for bad guys.

Nevets1112
09-22-2005, 04:40 PM
Bounty Hunters: Exhibit A

http://www.pexsus.com/~littleb/eaw/veers/001.jpg
This is a theory some of us have, notice how the other imp heros have a red background? That is assumingly the "Imp color". Now notice that Boba does not have a colored background? So what we think this mean is that boba does not have a specific side and can go to the highest paying side.

Jan Gaarni
09-22-2005, 05:07 PM
Or he is simply marked as the one you have active as of this moment (as in the selected hero). :)

Not saying you are wrong though, it would be very coincidently if it is the way I said. ;)


Now, over to a more pressing matter .... red? The Imperial color is red? :confused:
What's the rebels color then? Blue?
(yes, it's late :D )

Nevets1112
09-22-2005, 06:32 PM
Now, over to a more pressing matter .... red? The Imperial color is red? :confused:
What's the rebels color then? Blue?
(yes, it's late :D )

I think it is green.

and no he isn't the selected hero at the time, the pic is from Little.B who was at the german convention, he was showing how Veers on the ground is in an AT AT, so veers would be the selected hero at the time.

Jan Gaarni
09-23-2005, 02:10 AM
Actually, if he's going to show that Veers is inside an AT-AT, the AT-AT would have to be the selected one. ;)

Either way, seems that the theory about Boba Fett is very founded.
Good find. :thumbsup:


PS: Don't double post.

popcorn2008
09-23-2005, 04:32 PM
I hope the imperials are blue or green. I mean their insigna is blue. I want Blue!!!! lol and the rebels better be red.... lol

starmark2k
09-24-2005, 03:24 AM
I think the Red color is for dark side rather than imps.

Jan Gaarni
09-24-2005, 04:22 AM
I think the Red color is for dark side rather than imps.
It still breaks with the Star Wars feel. Not in a big way of course. ;)

But I just don't want this game to turn into another SWG that can't figure out which era it is supposed to be in and if it is supposed to be around the time of ANH-ESB (which it fails to portray in the case of most of the game) or Wing Commander (in the case of the Jump to Lightspeed expansion).

We've already heard the Devs claim that Rancors are indigenous to Tatooine. :rolleyes:

popcorn2008
09-24-2005, 11:42 AM
I just think rebels should be red mainly because in their old flight sim game, X-Wing and TIE Fighter the rebs were red colored and imperials were blue or green. Though it was reversed from X-Wing to TIE Figher i.e. In X-Wing Imps were red. So one could argue that the red only meant hostile. For some reason though red reminds me more of the rebels and blue of the empire.

EDIT: I just re-read my post, and I didnt mean the game X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, I meant the game "X-Wing" and the game "TIE-Fighter". It did read a little confusing, so i just wanted to clearify.

starmark2k
09-24-2005, 11:47 AM
I just think rebels should be red mainly because in their old flight sim game, X-Wing and TIE Fighter the rebs were red colored and imperials were blue or green. Though it was reversed from X-Wing to TIE Figher i.e. In X-Wing Imps were red. So one could argue that the red only meant hostile. For some reason though red reminds me more of the rebels and blue of the empire.

Thats because in every other stratergie game the cannon rebel color has been red and the cannon IMp has been red which is odd as in the force terms (used in Jedi knights series and KotOR series) red is used for Dark Side and blue is Light Side. So this could be the Devs reasoning for having Blue rebs and red IMPs although i would prefer it to be the Stratergy Cannon.

anton_138
09-25-2005, 01:58 AM
Just a small insert: This is Rebellion .. the way it should have been. ;)

Jan, you have made my day with that statement. when i first saw the trailer for EaW i instantly thought of Rebellion, which is evident in my "is EaW the new SW:Rebellion" thread. i think the recruiting in Rebellion worked just fine. my only change would have been that you'd have to recruit people from specific worlds instead of being able to get them all from one location. i know EaW won't be "like" Rebellion in the sense that you have to control every little aspect and function of the game, but it sounds like with the heroes and a Death Star you can use in battle and the fleet battle sequences from the trailer the basis of EaW is exactly like Rebellion. one special hero ability i really liked in Rebellion was Han Solo's M. Falcon effect, which for those who aren't familiar with Rebellion meant that any time Han travelled without a specific ship/fleet, he was assumed to be in the Falcon and travelled twice as fast as if on any other ship. that made sabotage missions much more efficient.

anton_138
09-25-2005, 02:11 AM
oh, and to actually stick to the subject of heroes, Boba Fett was never pro_Empire or anti-Alliance/Republic. in the books he states that as a bounty hunter he goes for whomever pays the best, but as far as politics he acknowledges whoever is in power as being the legitimate government and all that... he felt the Rebels were outlaws because they went against the "legitimate" government, but once the Empire fell and the New Republic and Galactic Alliance were in place he acknowledged them as the true government. he even appeared in one of the latter NJO books and fought alongside the Alliance against the Vong. so, my point is that while he may be considered a "bad guy" based on the movies the fact is he is just a hardened professional bounty-hunter and as a general rule the Rebs didn't like using bounty-hunters. that doesn't mean he would NOT work for them if the price was right and it did not conflict with his other jobs. as far as what they'd do in the game i say Fett should be hirable by either side, but i would expect him to be classified as a villain.

Jan Gaarni
09-25-2005, 02:28 AM
The red comes from the rebels banner, which is red. The blue from the Imps banner, which is blue.

It is only natural to mark the Rebels with bright red, and the Imperials with dark blue, like their banners/insignia.

However, in Star Wars, you can also see red in the Empire/Republic, such as the Imperial Guards, or the ship carrying Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to Naboo in Ep.1, or the red stripe on Tantive IV. This color is signifying Senate/government connection. Leia was part of the Senate, so she gets a stripe on it to signify it's importance and what's protecting her (in this case, the Empire). Obi-Wan and Qui-Gons ride is all red, and not without reason. It is the personal ship of the current Supreme Chancellor. The all red guards was added by Palpatine over time, probably to play on the meaning the color red represent: "Don't mess with someone wearing this color, or you will regret it." :)

Kinda the way the lions think about the people living next to them somewhere in Afrika. The place name escapes me, but the lions have learned to not mess with the people dressed in bright red. :p ;)