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The Doctor
10-02-2005, 07:03 PM
I was just wondering, what do we really know about Malak? All we know is that he used to be a Jedi, followed Revan to the Dark Side, and betrayed his master. What else do we know about him? How old is he? Where is he from? What are those things on his head and how did he get them? How did he lose his jaw? Why in the name of Dakan is he so damn tall? Where did he get the mask? What is his last name (if any)? Let the random speculation begin!

Kain
10-02-2005, 08:01 PM
His age is irrelevant. He lost his jaw from a lightsaber injury that cut it clean off. The 'things' on his head are tattoos. I'm assuming his mum and papa were damn tall too. The mask is simply a prostetic jaw. His last name, like most, is irrelevant.

shukrallah
10-02-2005, 08:20 PM
I want to know more about the lightsaber injury. Man, I was freaked when I saw him without a jaw. I have to agree, it looks like a lightsaber slash, but how did it happen?

The Doctor
10-02-2005, 08:31 PM
It could also be a souvenir from the battle in which he betrayed Revan, or during the Mandalorian Wars. Why did he get the tatoo's? Jedi aren't supposed to care about looking "cool". I know what his mask is, but where did he get it? Is he human, or is he a species that is freakishly tall? Why are his last name and age irrelevant? Are your name and age irrelevant? Where is he from?

shukrallah
10-02-2005, 08:36 PM
He seemed human. And when he betrayed Revan he shot blaster fire at his ship, also, this happend after the mandelorian war, and he still had his jaw. Had to be something else.

stoffe
10-02-2005, 08:45 PM
It could also be a souvenir from the battle in which he betrayed Revan


Unlikely, since standing on the bridge of a capital ship, ordering your fleet to fire at the bridge of your leader's ship usually won't result in the loss of one's jaw. :)

Even though there is little in the game(s) to support the theory, I prefer to think that he lost it when battling Master Kavar. Kavar mentions in passing that he barely escaped alive when Mandalore said he thought Kavar died fighting Malak during the war. Severing your opponent's jaw would be a nice distraction allowing you to escape from a battle you can't win. :)


Is he human, or is he a species that is freakishly tall?

He is most likely human, and being tall was probably a good way to visually reflect his personality and make him look imposing. Malak is all brawn and little brain, who misunderstood everything Revan tried to teach him while being a formidable warrior.

When he took over the Sith he changed Revan's Sith organization into one that reflected his own personality, that of power-hungry, brutish brats with little finesse. :)

The best way to portray a thug is to make him look big and strong, thus Malak is big and strong. :)

RevanA4
10-02-2005, 09:04 PM
[unresitable comment]I had a sith organization :lol:[/unrestiable comment]

ok on a more serious note I think what stoffee said was about what I was thinking

The Doctor
10-02-2005, 09:16 PM
He seemed human. And when he betrayed Revan he shot blaster fire at his ship, also, this happend after the mandelorian war, and he still had his jaw. Had to be something else.
We never saw him while betraying Revan. He could have already lost his jaw at this time.

The Doctor
10-02-2005, 09:19 PM
Unlikely, since standing on the bridge of a capital ship, ordering your fleet to fire at the bridge of your leader's ship usually won't result in the loss of one's jaw.
We don't know the status of Revan's ship when it was attacked by Malak. His tactical officer could have fired back, wounding Malak in the process.

RevanA4
10-02-2005, 09:33 PM
@ the doctor for future use plz edit your posts instead of double posting

and your are conterdicting you self

Lando Griffin
10-02-2005, 09:34 PM
Well, we do know that he is bald.

Hallucination
10-02-2005, 09:48 PM
We don't know the status of Revan's ship when it was attacked by Malak. His tactical officer could have fired back, wounding Malak in the process.
So against all odds a shot went through his ship, from any direction and went through the shields and hull of Malaks ship, hitting Malak, with a laser that was meant to destroy ships countless times the size of Malak, and Malak walked away missing only a jaw? Is there anything else to say?

shukrallah
10-02-2005, 10:40 PM
Well, we do know that he is bald.


And dead. Malak is very dead.


But no, actually, Malak was onboard a "star destroyer" type of ship, and set the lasers to fire at Revan's ship. Remember, Bastila and some jedi were kicking butt and she said "You can't win Revan!"

Then Malaks blasters fired, so thats why Revan fell, he then became unconsious, so the Jedi captured him, used the force to erase his memory, and make him a good guy. It had nothing to do with Malak's jaw.

Its possible the jaw was gone then. We do know that he had the jaw while on Dantooine with Revan searching out the Star Forge. That was after the mandelorian war. So, it had to be some time after that, all details are unclear, however. I guess its up to EU.

MdKnightR
10-03-2005, 02:20 AM
Actually, didn't Malak lose his jaw in a freak masturbation accident?

Kain
10-03-2005, 03:27 AM
It could also be a souvenir from the battle in which he betrayed Revan, or during the Mandalorian Wars. Why did he get the tatoo's? Jedi aren't supposed to care about looking "cool". I know what his mask is, but where did he get it? Is he human, or is he a species that is freakishly tall? Why are his last name and age irrelevant? Are your name and age irrelevant? Where is he from?

It obviously occured after the Mandolorian Wars, as he had it when he and Revan found the first Star Map - AFTER the Mandolorian Wars. Doesn't anyone else remember the Sith graveyard on Korriban? I'm sure something in one of the tombs had a lightsaber and its pretty safe to assume it could have gotten the best of Malak. Or it could be Revan proved his superiority over Malak in lightsaber combat and his blade slipped down Malak's just a bit too far.
The tattoos are just tattoos - the don't have to mean anything aside that Malak wanted them. He is just a tall human. Shaq is abnormally tall but he is still a human. I'm sure the mask was given to him in the same manner that Vader's was given to him: In a medbay after he suffered the wounds.
His age and last name are irrelevant because they have absolutley no reason to make mention of them. They don't make mention of Revan's age or last name, but you don't seem to give a damn about that. Given that he joined the Jedi at the same age as Revan, it'd be safe to assume they are the same age. And yes, my name and age are irrelevant; atleast to anyone who would ask them here. It makes no mention where he is from, but he was friends with Revan so it could probably be the same place as him.

Bob Lion54
10-03-2005, 09:21 AM
Unlikely, since standing on the bridge of a capital ship, ordering your fleet to fire at the bridge of your leader's ship usually won't result in the loss of one's jaw. :)


Maybe he tripped over his cape and busted his jaw on a console. hehe

Seriously, he was the leader of an organization that uses promotion by killing your superior. You don't last long without taking some damage. He could have lost it in a sabre fight, but it's never said because it dosen't matter to the story.

The Doctor
10-03-2005, 07:39 PM
To clarify, when I said that he might have gotten it in the battle against Revan's ship, I meant that Revan's tactical officer could have fired back, and Malak's ship was damaged. He might have been wounded by an exploding console.


@ the doctor for future use plz edit your posts instead of double posting

and your are conterdicting you self
How am I contradicting myself?

lukeiamyourdad
10-03-2005, 08:50 PM
How am I contradicting myself?

He's talking about this:

We never saw him while betraying Revan.

We don't know the status of Revan's ship when it was attacked by Malak.



I understand what you mean but it can be confusing to others.

shukrallah
10-03-2005, 10:02 PM
To clarify, when I said that he might have gotten it in the battle against Revan's ship, I meant that Revan's tactical officer could have fired back, and Malak's ship was damaged. He might have been wounded by an exploding console.


Ah, ok. Thats also possible.


Back to the saber thing- Why aim for the jaw, when a bit lower malak could have lost his throat? Or a bit higher and they could have had some fried malak brains...

If my jaw was cut off, I don't think I would be able to fight. At all, that would be it for me.

Dark/light
10-03-2005, 10:22 PM
I think this is what happened...maybe after the mailderian wars, Malak feel guilty of being on the dark side and wants to come back to the light. He told Revan and Revan got angry and well, you know what sith do when one of them turned back to ligthside. They had their battle.Obviously, Revan won and spared him and cut off his jaw as puishment(please excuse any spelling i typed). Then Malak betrayed by firing on his ship and became a sith lord. You know why i think this? After you beat Malak(lightside...probably dark side but..), he said something about switching fates and he also said he followed Revan even if he went to the dark side and Revan said sorry for making him go to the dark side. That could be a theory..but we will never know until KotOR 3 came out.

Darth InSidious
10-04-2005, 06:36 AM
I think M lost his jaw in a duel with REvan. While not explicityl mentioned in-game, it makes sense ;)

SITHSLAYER133
10-04-2005, 06:48 AM
its hard to believe he lost it in a saber fightif some was skillful enogh to hit him in the jaw they would have just decapitated him so there my 2 cents

Darth InSidious
10-04-2005, 07:09 AM
It could have been an attack he only partially blocked.
Also, Revan would not have wanted him dead. He probably did it to cause pain and to teach his apprentice a lesson.

MdKnightR
10-04-2005, 01:20 PM
It could have been an attack he only partially blocked.
Also, Revan would not have wanted him dead. He probably did it to cause pain and to teach his apprentice a lesson.

I still like my explanation better ;). (See above ^^^^)

Nikos Dar're
10-04-2005, 05:09 PM
Yeah, my bet is that Malak lost the jaw in a battle with Revan. Maybe he tried to kill Revan before the battle against Bastila's strike team. Maybe he actually tried to face Revan in a duel, the honorable thing to do, and lost.

It makes sense, because only Revan would not want to kill Malak.

The_Maker
10-04-2005, 05:34 PM
I think this is what happened...maybe after the mailderian wars, Malak feel guilty of being on the dark side and wants to come back to the light. He told Revan and Revan got angry and well, you know what sith do when one of them turned back to ligthside. ~snip~

No, you think, so?
And I think Bastila is a cross-gender character trying to be attractive in-disguise :rolleyes:


It obviously occured after the Mandolorian Wars, as he had it when he and Revan found the first Star Map - AFTER the Mandolorian Wars. ~snip~

If I remember correctly the cutscene Malak in K1 still had his natural jaw in place when he said "Is this truly wise? The council will surely banish us. If we go beyond that door we can never go back..."
He also says at the end of the game that revan found the first starmap on Dantooine not Korriban so you got your facts mixed up ;)


Doesn't anyone else remember the Sith graveyard on Korriban? I'm sure something in one of the tombs had a lightsaber and its pretty safe to assume it could have gotten the best of Malak.
If I understand you correctly you are trying to say that a lightsaber just happend to turn on and make our dark sith lord lose his jaw correct? :eyeraise:

Anyhow, in my opinion (and rather short sweet and simple) if the devs wanted to give us more info about Malak they would've.

'nuff said.

The Doctor
10-04-2005, 07:01 PM
Anyhow, in my opinion (and rather short sweet and simple) if the devs wanted to give us more info about Malak they would've.

'nuff said.

I think it's interesting to guess at the past of the characters.

DarthVandar205
10-04-2005, 08:56 PM
I heard somewhere that Malak got his jaw injury when training during a lightsaber duel with Revan. He must have wanted to keep that injury otherwise you think he could have gotten an cybernetic jaw replacement or something of that sort.

TheGreenGoblin
10-04-2005, 09:13 PM
Do you think Revan told Malak about that whole True Sith problem?

lukeiamyourdad
10-04-2005, 09:14 PM
Probably not. Malak didn't even know the Sith Assassins on Malachor existed (check out the Chronicles on the official TSL site). I don't think that if he had known, he would've destroyed everything in his path like he did.

Eets
10-05-2005, 08:28 AM
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthmalak/index.html

s'not exactly in-depth material, but it helps I guess. ;)

AnarKy
10-05-2005, 06:26 PM
To clarify, when I said that he might have gotten it in the battle against Revan's ship, I meant that Revan's tactical officer could have fired back, and Malak's ship was damaged. He might have been wounded by an exploding console.

Its impossible, we know that he lost his lower jaw in a lightsaber duel, and anyway, the developper would never had there big boss getting wounded in a stupid accident, when they are wounded its alway in some great duel.

The Doctor
10-05-2005, 08:48 PM
How do we know it happened in a lightsaber duel? We don't know, it's a possible theory. And how is my theory impossible? It's also a possible theory.

AnarKy
10-05-2005, 08:50 PM
How do we know it happened in a lightsaber duel? We don't know, it's a possible theory. And how is my theory impossible? It's also a possible theory.

read this page


http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthmalak/index.html

And im not totaly sure but i think i remember someone saying that in the game.

MdKnightR
10-06-2005, 12:15 AM
Well, that takes care of that!

Kain
10-06-2005, 01:49 AM
If I remember correctly the cutscene Malak in K1 still had his natural jaw in place when he said "Is this truly wise? The council will surely banish us. If we go beyond that door we can never go back..."
He also says at the end of the game that revan found the first starmap on Dantooine not Korriban so you got your facts mixed up ;)


If I understand you correctly you are trying to say that a lightsaber just happend to turn on and make our dark sith lord lose his jaw correct? :eyeraise:

1: I never said they were on Korriban when they found the first Star Map. I'm saying that some'thing' in the Korriban crypts might have gotten the best of him. A duel with a rather 'physical' ghost of some sort.
2. When I said 'it' I was referring to his natural jaw, so my bad on that part.
3. Its said that he lost his jaw in a duel. Read 1.

TheExileReturns
10-06-2005, 12:41 PM
What do we know about Darth Malak? We know that Revan kicked his butt at the end of KOTOR I!

MdKnightR
10-06-2005, 12:49 PM
What do we know about Darth Malak? We know that Revan kicked his butt at the end of KOTOR I!

:tsk: Not everyone knows that. Use spoiler tags.

Rok_stoned
10-07-2005, 07:33 PM
I thought malak lost his jaw trying to pull apart legos with his jaw.

SW1
10-10-2005, 11:15 PM
we have information from that link above that malak lost his jaw in a lightsaber duel. you can also try: http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Malak
and as for the stuff about why his opponent would attack his jaw and not decapitate him or cut this throat... keep in mind that malak is a sentient being, with an instinctive desire to survive. so if someone were to try and decapitate him or cut his throat, he would probably try to dodge their attack. which could cause them to miss, and just cut off his jaw instead of his entire head.
just my crazy theory. that y'know, people don't want their heads cut off

Jae Onasi
10-13-2005, 06:23 PM
I thought malak lost his jaw trying to pull apart legos with his jaw.

Humor mode way on:
Naw, he lost it after surgery for that mouth cancer from too much chewing tobacco. Let that be a lesson to all of us.
I now return you to sanity.
:-)

GDI Lord
10-14-2005, 07:28 AM
The more I think about it, the more the lightsaber duel thing makes sense. As for not killing the guy when he's writhing in agony from jawlessness, maybe he killed his opponent as s/he hit his jaw.

But I guess in the end what matters is that I/you/we killed him. Interesting character though...

Rok_stoned
10-14-2005, 05:03 PM
I agree about the lightsabre one i think its the only plausable other than getting shot in the jaw or something else that would ruin/shred his jaw

The Doctor
10-15-2005, 09:12 AM
The lightsaber duel does make sense.
I still like my way better.

RobQel-Droma
10-17-2005, 01:37 PM
No, my friends, I have found why Malak lost his jaw! Click on the link below!

Malak talks waaaaay too much. (http://aimostudio.com/comics/images/web02-03.jpg)

Always knew he talked too much, but never knew it came back to bite him :lol: hehehe...

chaleur
10-17-2005, 03:33 PM
^^^Heee. That's awesome. And btw, the cut is clean because he was being considerate.

"Someone might want to model me for a video game, someday, and it will be a heck of a lot easier if my cool-creepy jaw injury can be modelled without a spring-mass system."

Though after playing through that sequence again yesterday, it's less clean on his left side than on his right. So I guess he was only somewhat thoughtful.

The Doctor
10-17-2005, 04:25 PM
@RobQel-Droma: The link doesn't work. It gives me Forbidden.

RobQel-Droma
10-17-2005, 05:52 PM
You know what, it does that too me too for some reason when I try and look at the pics there. For some reason, if you just click in the address bar and then hit enter, therefore making it reload the page, it works fine. I don't know why.

chaleur
10-18-2005, 01:03 AM
For whatever reason it works fine for me. Your user info says you are using Safari, too. Is that the case here?

The Doctor
10-18-2005, 08:10 PM
Me? I don't know much about my internet. Probably not a good thing....
But as far as I know, I don't use Safari.