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Naja
10-06-2005, 04:58 AM
One of the team leaders of the Star Wars: Legacy of War mod had emailed Petroglyph in March concerning SSDs, and he got back a "yes" answer. He didn't specify whether it will be a hero unit or a regular produceable unit.

FroZticles
10-06-2005, 06:08 AM
There you go you babies got your bottle. :)

Slave.
10-06-2005, 07:23 AM
Hopefully we'll get to see it in the next video release

Juggernaut1985
10-06-2005, 09:12 AM
You make such a big deal over nothing. The SSD is just a ship.

Darth Alec
10-06-2005, 09:32 AM
You make such a big deal over nothing. The SSD is just a ship.


Just a ship? JUST A SHIP !!!! the Super Star Destroyer is one of the most central thing in an Imperialists life. Only three things come before:
1. The Emperor
2. He's Ship
3. Lord Vader

Do not say "just a ship" Its bigger, badder and a lot more powerful than anything any one else can field. :firemad:

Now that I got that of my chest, I'm glad they finally includded it.
Hipp hipp hurray!!

starmark2k
10-06-2005, 09:40 AM
This sounds cool but before i get excited i'll wait untill i actually see an image or movie with it.

Juggernaut1985
10-06-2005, 10:32 AM
oh btw, the leader of Legacy of War that Naja mentioned is me. And I was excited as anyone to learn of the SSD but i know that it is not the doomgiver of the galaxy(thats for my Galaxy Gun to decide).

swphreak
10-06-2005, 11:52 AM
And I wonder how expensive it is. I'm sure it will bankrupt many planets just building it.

Oh, don't forget about those A-Wings!

Darth Alec
10-06-2005, 02:46 PM
Oh, don't forget about those A-Wings!

Most embarresing moment in SSD historie. :fist:

popcorn2008
10-06-2005, 04:01 PM
I'm glad to see that the SSD will be in the game, because Star Wars just isnt the same without it. Now lets just hope theirs TIE Interceptors... (or Defenders for that matter lol)

nightmarenny
10-06-2005, 05:54 PM
You make such a big deal over nothing. The SSD is just a ship.
Just a ship? JUST A SHIP! We are talking about the Executer-class star dreadnaught here! To call it just a ship is like calling Palpentine JUST a deceptive *******.

Juggernaut1985
10-06-2005, 06:13 PM
I'm excited too but it doesn't mean you need to flame me for it.

popcorn2008
10-06-2005, 07:24 PM
To call it just a ship is like calling Palpentine JUST a deceptive *******.
Wow strong words there! We are all excited but calm down and take a deep breathe. The SSD Suprise syndrome will wear off momentarily.

Darth Andrew
10-06-2005, 11:51 PM
MY LIFE IS COMPLETE NOW!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!1 :p
This sounds cool but before i get excited i'll wait untill i actually see an image or movie with it.Same here. Hopefully is isn't the size of two Star Destroyers. :rolleyes:

Jan Gaarni
10-07-2005, 03:36 AM
Hahaha, that would be worse than if it was as large as 5. :D :D :D

(11, Petroglyph. 11 ;) )

Jan Gaarni
10-07-2005, 09:11 AM
Just a small note on the SSD.

StarWars.Com (http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/superstardestroyer/index.html) has yet again updated the Executors lenght. This time to a more realistical 19km (abit too long in my opinion now though :p , but much closer than before).

Thanks to a certain member (Makwu) over at the Petroglyph Un-Official forums (http://swempireatwar.10.forumer.com/index.php) for making me aware of this. :)

The weapons compliment has also been boosted abit, but is still far from being realistic yet though.

swphreak
10-07-2005, 10:49 AM
pffft here we go again... :p

Eclipse - 18 Km
SSD - 13 Km
SD - 1600m

Those are the numbers I accept. They've changed the numbers so much I don't care what anyone says anymore.

Jan Gaarni
10-07-2005, 01:19 PM
You can't have an ISD measuring 1.6 if you accept the SSD to be only 13km :)

If you accept the SSD to be 13km long, then you also must accept that the ISD is 1.2km long then, as the SSD is 11 times longer (almost 12 in StarWars.com's case)

swphreak
10-07-2005, 01:28 PM
Those are the numbers I accept. They've changed the numbers so much I don't care what anyone says anymore.

;)

It's at least 8 or so times larger. So it's all the same.

Jan Gaarni
10-07-2005, 01:39 PM
Suit yourself. ;)

But even StarWars.com admits now that it's around 11 times as large.
Which has been said by fans all over the world for years, and backed up with evidence and measurements.

Juggernaut1985
10-07-2005, 02:46 PM
Essential Guide is all I prescribe to.

Jan Gaarni
10-07-2005, 02:52 PM
Oh, they're the worst of the lot. :D

popcorn2008
10-07-2005, 05:21 PM
I agree with starwars.com because it is the official website of star wars. It has first say on everything in my book.

Jan Gaarni
10-07-2005, 06:37 PM
Well, up until recently they've been wrong about the SSD lenght though, so don't swallow everything that is on there whole. ;)

nightmarenny
10-08-2005, 01:40 AM
Essential Guide is all I prescribe to.
The same essential guide that doesn't even mention the Impirial's 8 massivle turrets?

Darth Alec
10-08-2005, 02:40 AM
Prob.
Yet being around 13 is what seems right for me, just a guess though.
And is the ultimat weapon exept the Death Star, but the Death Star is a Death Star. So its not like you are going to want to fight it, just dont underestimate it.

general ackbar
10-08-2005, 06:24 PM
can we see this email

Darth Windu
10-09-2005, 05:58 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most of the books (eg. X-wing series) say it's 8km long?

Jan Gaarni
10-09-2005, 08:28 AM
Yeah, so?

It's 11-12 miles long, roughly 17.6 to 19 km long, and that's a fact. ;)

Just because it's mentioned over and over again (though some sources has been stating the propper lenght in the past aswell, not just the 8km fallacy introduced by WEG), doesn't make it correct.

It's like with the "shield" domes. Just because it's mentioned over and over again (though, again, not all sources has done the same misstake in the past) doesn't make it right. ;)

general ackbar
10-09-2005, 03:29 PM
i want teh proof!

popcorn2008
10-09-2005, 04:27 PM
i want teh proof!
Yeah me too... Im still a little ify on this one.

Makwu
10-10-2005, 06:46 PM
Here is the proof:

1) The SSD is a fan favorite
2) Petro designers have stated "Super weapons" plural.
3) C&C was a big fan of super weapons, same designers
4) That have stated that they will even include some EU content. I'm sure they would get all ROTJ content in first
5) The size demonstrations of the space stations shows the a SSD wouldn't be too much for the engine to handle

There is your proof

EDIT: Wow, I haven't used this account since 02 : ) How embarrasing. Krath Imperium, nice...

popcorn2008
10-10-2005, 09:38 PM
Ok It is now official that the SSD is not in the game. An official petro designer posted on the unofficial petro forums, and here's a link:

http://swempireatwar.10.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Look near the bottom of the page. He also gives out some other really juicy info. Such that the game only goes up to battle of yavin.

Though he does say it is a possibility for future expansions.

Jan Gaarni
10-11-2005, 04:15 AM
Hmm, we're restricted to 3 years gameplay?

That is odd.

Or do they mean we only get 3 years worth of research to play around with?

I guess, since no SSD, there won't be a ISD mkII either then.

Makwu
10-11-2005, 04:25 AM
A shame

Garbageben
10-11-2005, 11:50 AM
Ok It is now official that the SSD is not in the game. An official petro designer posted on the unofficial petro forums, and here's a link:

http://swempireatwar.10.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Look near the bottom of the page. He also gives out some other really juicy info. Such that the game only goes up to battle of yavin.

Though he does say it is a possibility for future expansions.
Of course that makes sense. They can get $30 more dollars per person to buy an expansion with all the units that we wanted in the original. I mean how can you do an expansion on to an open ended game like EaW is supposed to be. I think the expansions will just be adding units and or new sides perhaps.

DarthMaulUK
10-11-2005, 12:21 PM
Personally, I dont mind the idea of expansion packs. Yes they cost extra money but it costs alot of money to make them.

I like the idea of Empire At War sprouting more expansions - maybe an Empire Strikes Back esq one followed by Return Of The Jedi (for example). From what I have seen from the Galactic Map, there's plenty of room to expand it and include more planets.

The new Dawn Of War, Winter Assault expansion gave us new maps, new campaigns and just 1 new faction. Which is good and works well. The only thing I didnt like was the £25(approx $45) price tag!

EaW has the scope I believe to really give us a long lasting RTS experience.

DMUK

cardif
10-11-2005, 01:38 PM
well.. for me 40$ definately make a difference. content, which must be in the original game, cant be sold in an expansion... that just doesnt make sense in my honest opinion ;(

considering the new info, the solid wall, which forces me to buy the game, gets full of holes :'(

.. and no, its not because of that SSD. :D

Garbageben
10-11-2005, 01:43 PM
Personally, I dont mind the idea of expansion packs. Yes they cost extra money but it costs alot of money to make them.

I like the idea of Empire At War sprouting more expansions - maybe an Empire Strikes Back esq one followed by Return Of The Jedi (for example). From what I have seen from the Galactic Map, there's plenty of room to expand it and include more planets.

The new Dawn Of War, Winter Assault expansion gave us new maps, new campaigns and just 1 new faction. Which is good and works well. The only thing I didnt like was the £25(approx $45) price tag!

EaW has the scope I believe to really give us a long lasting RTS experience.

DMUK

I agree with you now that I have thought it over. they release a few expansions (ESB,ROTJ,post ROTJ) and each one has new units but also new planets. That way you would have a larger galaxy, new units, and possibly a new faction.

Jan Gaarni
10-11-2005, 02:44 PM
Well, there is the fact that the game has an end date, which is the beginning of ANH.

That turns me off some. I don't like restrictive RTS', especially the kind of restrictions I just mentioned. An RTS should go on till one side is the victor. :)

Makwu
10-11-2005, 04:41 PM
Yes, the talk now on Petro Fan Forums is that the expansion pack will be from ANH to ROTJ. And then we will get units like the A-wing, interdictor, Home One...oh im so confused.

Foshjedi2004
10-11-2005, 06:12 PM
The Tech tree ends at Yavin in terms of only the first versions of the Death Star and Impstar and Victory. It also means that the B-wing, Interceptors and other later craft will not be in there. The Legacy of War Mod plan to put these things in.
The Gameplay does end when you win not when the Tech tree ends.

Jan Gaarni
10-11-2005, 06:32 PM
That's not what Delphi stated:
The game ends at the battle of Yavin
Battle of Yavin takes place, as we all know (or should know) in ANH.

popcorn2008
10-12-2005, 12:04 AM
The fact that it ends at ANH is also a slight down to me. I was hoping it would at least cover the whole original trilogy. Oh well.... I mean hopefully it will be loaded with tons of content.

nightmarenny
10-12-2005, 12:42 AM
Well, there is the fact that the game has an end date, which is the beginning of ANH.

That turns me off some. I don't like restrictive RTS', especially the kind of restrictions I just mentioned. An RTS should go on till one side is the victor. :)
Well the single player will end on ANH but in multiplayer you will still fight to the death. :twogun:

Jan Gaarni
10-12-2005, 03:40 AM
That is true. :)

FroZticles
10-12-2005, 07:44 PM
Or in some cases... Zomg!!! You rushed me!!! Then go put up a room saying No rushes!!!

lukeiamyourdad
10-13-2005, 06:27 PM
well.. for me 40$ definately make a difference. content, which must be in the original game, cant be sold in an expansion... that just doesnt make sense in my honest opinion ;(

considering the new info, the solid wall, which forces me to buy the game, gets full of holes :'(

.. and no, its not because of that SSD. :D


I fully agree. This game seems to be lacking content now. And I'm being nice.
It's starting to turn me off...

I didn't wait years for this to fork out over 100$ in the game and its expansion to get a complete Star Wars RTS experience...

Perfect Soldier
10-13-2005, 08:17 PM
Ok if I were some of you I would not lose hope. Many units that did not appear in ANH are in the game. Such as AT-AT's and Air speeders. I have also done a bit of research and found that TIE Interceptors were used in the Battle of Yavin. Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIE_interceptor If you do not wish to read through all this here is the paragraph I found that stated it was used.

Although the Interceptor only made its appearence in Return of the Jedi, the Star Wars Sourcebook (for the Star Wars Roleplaying Game) has stated that the Interceptor has existed at the time of the Battle of Yavin, where Imperial Star Destroyer's 6 TIE squadrons was a squadron of Interceptors (4 squadrons of standard TIE Fighters, 1 squadron of TIE bombers). By the Battle of Endor, an additional squadron of Interceptors replaced that of a TIE Fighter. The Interceptor's absence from A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back was perhaps due to design limitations.

dorkthehunter
10-13-2005, 08:18 PM
A-Wings are in! We have seen it in the screen shots and movies!
The game does not end at ANH. The tech tree ends there(to a point)
There is no ANH! You make your own story! Why don't you people get that!


-Dorkthehunter
"Protecting the world from people with an IQ if over 30! Hazah!

popcorn2008
10-13-2005, 09:53 PM
The game does not end at ANH. The tech tree ends there(to a point)
There is no ANH! You make your own story! Why don't you people get that!

Okay, first off yes the game does end at ANH, even if you do make your own story. If the tech tree ends there then so does the game in a sense. NO ONE said that it meant that the whole game ends at ANH, we arent complaining about that. WE are complaining that the game is lacking in content. Get your rants right.

I also agree, I am starting to get turned off as well. The SSD and TIE Interceptor were major expectations from me. As of now the content seems WAY lacking. Petro and LA better release more details about the game, such as missions or something. Or they better release some new content fast because im starting to lose my intereast.
I have also done a bit of research and found that TIE Interceptors were used in the Battle of Yavin. Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIE_interceptor If you do not wish to read through all this here is the paragraph I found that stated it was used.

Not many people consider Wikipedia the best source. It is an open editing encyclopedia. Also its sources are not the best. Not many people consider the Star Wars RPG accurate or the source books. I mean just look what the source book said about the SSD.

lukeiamyourdad
10-13-2005, 11:21 PM
Now this is almost too odd. Why was it done this way? I simply don't know why...

nightmarenny
10-13-2005, 11:54 PM
I think this a good thing. It will make iteisier to include a mix of OT and Prequel mech in the game. I'm still hoping for an Impirial Gunship and Venator SD and if I must wait for an expantion to throw the fear of god into rebel players with the Executor then so be it.

lukeiamyourdad
10-14-2005, 12:16 AM
We'll have to wait and see, but forcing us to fork out more money isn't good (for us). Unless mommy and daddy pay you everything...

Jan Gaarni
10-14-2005, 03:24 AM
A-Wings are in! We have seen it in the screen shots and movies!
The game does not end at ANH. The tech tree ends there(to a point)
There is no ANH! You make your own story! Why don't you people get that!


-Dorkthehunter
"Protecting the world from people with an IQ if over 30! Hazah!
Because Delphi, a Petroglyph employee, said so.

Here, let me quote that again:
The game ends at the battle of Yavin

Now, could he have misstyped something?

Possibly.

But they have been very silent about it since we heard it will end at ANH. They haven't exactly gone out of their ways to correct the statement so far.
I'm planing on raising the question at the chat in a couple of weeks.

Garbageben
10-14-2005, 01:27 PM
The way that I read it the first time (Delphi's quote) was that the game just stopped when you reached the battle of Yavin (although I am somewhat confused on how the battle of Yavin could exist if the rebel player were to just ignore the planet), but it could also mean that the latest tech. you will have access to will be from the battle of Yavin or thereabouts.

Darth Alec
10-14-2005, 01:42 PM
Get your rants right.
He he... people ranting ranters. That you dont see everyday.


Unless mommy and daddy pay you everything...
Whats so bad about that?

Gripmaster
10-14-2005, 04:21 PM
What do you mean by stopping at Yavin? They have Kyle Katarn as hero for crying out loud. With a BLUE lightsaber. Frankly, the whole thing is starting to confuse me.

lukeiamyourdad
10-14-2005, 05:57 PM
Whats so bad about that?

The fact that you don't realize the value of 40$ if your parents pay you everything.

Naja
10-15-2005, 02:58 AM
This is bull****. I hope someone mods in these missing ships soon after EaW is released.

Darth Windu
10-15-2005, 05:05 AM
So people are starting to think this game might suck? I seem to recall someone saying that a while ago. Who was it? Oh, thats right, me.

Love to say I told you so...so, I told you so :)

Really though, although I knew they weren't going to include the Republic and Seperatists, but to only half-arse the Empire and Rebellion at the same time is inexcusable.

Pity, I thought LA and the remnants of Westwood would have been able to do so much better...

Jan Gaarni
10-15-2005, 06:51 AM
The quote I gave is probably a huge missunderstanding.
That was also what sparked the whole SSD being in debate aswell, so it's possible. :)

But what is for sure, is that the Tech Tree stops at around ANH, plus a few extra ships that came out shortly after.

FroZticles
10-15-2005, 10:13 AM
They clearly stated the timelines at press release I don't see why everyone has there panties in a twist about it now. Haha and all of you are hypocrits going off at me for seeing issues with gameplay from the start and now they are hurting your precious realism you are all like OMG!!. I hate to say I told you so.... ohh wait I just did.

DarthMaulUK
10-15-2005, 10:27 AM
So people are starting to think this game might suck? I seem to recall someone saying that a while ago. Who was it? Oh, thats right, me.

Love to say I told you so...so, I told you so :)

How on earth can you make such a sweeping statement considering that you havent even played the game?

Just because the Super Stardestroyer isn't in the game doesnt mean that people have to hate it or react like a few of you have been. The fact new styled ships have been created is for the modders out there to have some fun and looking at some of the work, they are!

The timeline has always been set just before A New Hope, meaning that you can change the way that history plays out and I welcome any expansion pack with addition worlds and ships.

The one thing with any Star Wars game, is the timeline. One of the reasons why KOTOR was such a huge hit was because it set itself 4000 years before movies - giving it a huge scope to play with.

However, when you focus on the movie timelines, of course some are not going to be happy with that but lets open up your imaginations out there as this game is there to create your own Star Wars world; and unlike Star Wars Galaxies; have fun doing it.

DMUK

Jan Gaarni
10-15-2005, 02:12 PM
They clearly stated the timelines at press release I don't see why everyone has there panties in a twist about it now. Haha and all of you are hypocrits going off at me for seeing issues with gameplay from the start and now they are hurting your precious realism you are all like OMG!!. I hate to say I told you so.... ohh wait I just did.
Err, no they didn't.

Go read it again.

No, nevermind, let me help you.
It says, and I quote:
Set a few years before the events of Episode IV A New Hope ...
Let me quote that again:
Set a few years before the events of Episode IV A New Hope ...

Now, nowhere in the press release does it say the game will end at ANH.

I can quote both Press Releases in their entirety if you want.

nightmarenny
10-15-2005, 02:45 PM
So people are starting to think this game might suck? I seem to recall someone saying that a while ago. Who was it? Oh, thats right, me.

Love to say I told you so...so, I told you so :)

Really though, although I knew they weren't going to include the Republic and Seperatists, but to only half-arse the Empire and Rebellion at the same time is inexcusable.

Pity, I thought LA and the remnants of Westwood would have been able to do so much better...
Dont be so silly! This is still a bad reason to to hate it. Its isn't half-assed. They just choose a stopping point. How terrible.

Though I am glad you posted so I could tell you how stupid your otherarguement was. The Republic becomes the empire. Having a game(like this wheretime goes on as you play) with both of them would be redundant and stupid.

lukeiamyourdad
10-15-2005, 04:24 PM
So people are starting to think this game might suck? I seem to recall someone saying that a while ago. Who was it? Oh, thats right, me.

Love to say I told you so...so, I told you so :)


See, there's a difference between us and you. You said the game would suck before having sufficient information. We do however have enough information to make a relatively good judgement about the possible content.

Though, like I said, I'm giving them the benifit of the doubt. I have some doubts now about the game and I do hope it will turn out alright.

I'll have to note that this isn't an issue with the SSD though, more talking about overall content. The non-inclusion of various post ANH units like the B-Wing or Tie Interceptor for example.

DarthMaulUK
10-15-2005, 05:55 PM
I'm not a fan of closing posts so lets try not to get too personal here and keep on topic

DMUK

popcorn2008
10-15-2005, 07:35 PM
If this game doesnt go so far on the timeline, then I am looking foward to good content and missions. I wont get too mad because this game looks far better than ANY Star Wars RTS ever released. Even though the technology may end at ANH. Also.... check this out:
With that said, it does not mean it couldn’t make it into the game down the road for multiplayer or future expansions.
That is from the Petro developers original post. Now that means the executor may be included in multiplayer at least. So maybe this woke them up that many people are expecting this and they are gonna add it in for at least multiplayer. On the other hand, he also said future expansion. So we will have to spend 39-49 dollars for an expansion. I am guessing they will do an expansion up to RoTJ. Then maybe later do a clone wars expansion.

Now because the release date was pushed all the way to febuary, and now we now the tech tree wont be as big as everyone thought, I am expecting great game features and missions and all that. If the game doesnt have good/or enough content then I will be SEVERLY disappointed.

Juggernaut1985
10-15-2005, 07:52 PM
They'll do a Clone Wars expansion first if any becuase of the prequel trilogy being fresh in everyone's minds.

FroZticles
10-15-2005, 10:05 PM
I've heard them state that it is after ROTS and before ANH in a few Q&A and interviews. If you want to see the movie battles go watch the movie....

popcorn2008
10-15-2005, 10:55 PM
They'll do a Clone Wars expansion first if any becuase of the prequel trilogy being fresh in everyone's minds.
I'm not sure, because that would require almost three times as much work as a RoTJ expansion. I mean you have to add two more teams with their own base units. But with an RoTJ expansion all they have to do is add a few more units and features to an already existing side.

I foresee a RoTJ expansion to be announced around summer 2006 and then released maybe winter 2006. Then a clone war expansion.

Of course you do have a point with the prequels still being on peoples minds.

Naja
10-16-2005, 12:58 AM
I still hope (if they indeed do a ROTJ type expansion), that it STARTS before Episode IV would have ended. That way, Tarkin would still be alive, the Death Star would not have been destroyed, it would truly be with a clean slate.

Darth Windu
10-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Well the thing is, I said before that this game will suck and everything I have seen has confirmed my first suspicions.

- First off, about a prequel expansion pack, that would be blatant prifiteering. Fact is, they should have added the Republic and Seperatists in the first place. After all, even GBG had six sides when it originally came out, which was before AotC. In that case, an expansion was warrented, in this case it is not.

- Having two civs, which look like they will be incomplete, is inexcusable. Not only are we going to have very little replay value, but we are getting things like the Moc Cal/Frigate Mutant Ship, and the Empire's 'super-Hover Tank in Space' instead of the SSD, B-wing etc. Not good enough.

- So much for 'create your own history'. I must say, one of the things about this sort of game that annoys me the most is having them end at some point. That is why I love 'Star Trek: Birth of the Federation'. The game can go for ages, and only ends when either you are defeated, or you win. Making it end arbitrarily leaves things incomplete and just feels wrong.

I could go on, but there isn't much point. Suffice to say that I hoped that post-GBG we would see a great SW RTS that would include the four important sides and do it well. I thought, and still do think, that Petroglyph is capable of that, but having been dissapointed by Lucasarts before (eg. releasing KotOR2 before it was finished) I can't say I'm all that suprised.

Naja
10-16-2005, 02:26 AM
I'm dissapointed too about the "create your own history" section being dashed too, I must say, but it is far too premature to know whether the game will suck or not. This game does seem to have some innovative and fun features, and we'll have to wait and see. Mods can accomodate whatever ships and other units were left out of the two factions.

I fail to see though why the game should have had the Republic and the Separatists - the damn thing starts just a little before Episode IV! The Empire has been well established from the corpse of the Republic, and the Separatists erased.

So now that you're convinced the game will suck, will we no longer have to put up with your incessant bitching and whining on this forum? ;)

Darth Windu
10-16-2005, 06:09 AM
Naja - you'll never get away from my incessant whining and bitching ;)

In terms of adding the Republic and Seperatists, as the game is 'Empire at War' I agree, it doesn't make any sense to have the prequel sides because, as you pointed out, it takes place after RotS. What I'm saying though is that ANY new SW RTS should have included all four sides. To do anything less, and EaW seems to be a lot less, is just plain daft.

Darth Alec
10-16-2005, 06:24 AM
I still don't see why you still fight everybody about this being a bad game. Never heard about the saying "If you can't beat them, join them"? We'l see when the game comes out, not before. And nomatter what you say, this will be better then SWGB.

FroZticles
10-16-2005, 09:57 AM
I'm not dling mods to change the game to make it better if it sucks I just wont play it simple. And Windu its time to find something else to go on about.

lukeiamyourdad
10-16-2005, 12:23 PM
I'm not dling mods to change the game to make it better if it sucks I just wont play it simple.


True. Yet in the end, gameplay will have its word. Even if we dislike the fact that some units haven't been included, it'll be fun to play if the gameplay portion is good.

Windu- :dozey:

popcorn2008
10-16-2005, 12:27 PM
You know Windu even though the game may not be as good as it could have been, I dont think it will suck. Why? Compared to what? Force commander? I mean any Star Wars RTS would almost be better than that. It is obvious that petro has put quite a deal of work into this game and we cant forget that. They started from scratch! We should cut them some slack because they created everything new. I still will love this game, after i get over the shock.

Makwu
10-17-2005, 04:20 PM
Compared to Force Commander? By that standard, just about every RTS game is good. Unfortunetly LEC has a history of bad games. So to say "because its better than previous LEC games" shouldn't be a qualifying statement. Rather, how is it compared to other current RTS? Granted, there aren't many other games that it can easily be compated to. But will it be as intelligent as RTW, as fun as warhammer? As creative as B&W? No game can be all of those things, but i think we are all smart enough to hold everything the game offers as far as fun, replayability, new features, graphics etc..compare it to the other RTS games that we could be playing instead and say "This game is great" or "This game is not so great". When it comes down to it, we all want a great game and a star wars game in one. When we start talking about previous SW games, for some reason that request starts to feel like we are asking/expection too much. But we are not.

popcorn2008
10-17-2005, 08:02 PM
I used force commander as a comparison because it is one of the only Star Wars RTS around. Im not talking about every RTS. Im saying I will like this game because it will be the best Star Wars RTS. It will finally give us a great RTS to play with the star wars name on it. Now Im not sure if it will be one of the best overall RTS. That's still to be seen.

Darth Windu
10-18-2005, 01:39 AM
lol, I love it. Here I am making predictions that the game will suck, and get blasted by practically everyone for it, and here we have others saying 'it will be the greatest' and nothing is said. Sounds more than a little hypocritical.

nightmarenny
10-18-2005, 01:48 AM
Maybe its the reasons? You know your picky fan boy whining compared to others loving the way the game will work.

Oh and for those that don't know the Venator is in the game(Really a rupublic army is pretty dumb at this point considering the majority of those units are in imperial anyway.

lukeiamyourdad
10-18-2005, 10:46 AM
lol, I love it. Here I am making predictions that the game will suck, and get blasted by practically everyone for it, and here we have others saying 'it will be the greatest' and nothing is said. Sounds more than a little hypocritical.

I don't think it's very smart from you to bash a game in a FAN forum.

That's the difference. I'm not saying it's not hypocritical though.

Jan Gaarni
10-18-2005, 02:35 PM
lol, I love it. Here I am making predictions that the game will suck, and get blasted by practically everyone for it, and here we have others saying 'it will be the greatest' and nothing is said. Sounds more than a little hypocritical.
Predictions that was based on 1 thing: No Republic/Seperatist forces. :rolleyes:

No wonder you got blasted. :D

Master_Cain
10-18-2005, 03:22 PM
Hey guys ! The Venator is in officialy :) (*For those who don't know yet)

popcorn2008
10-18-2005, 08:35 PM
lol, I love it. Here I am making predictions that the game will suck, and get blasted by practically everyone for it, and here we have others saying 'it will be the greatest' and nothing is said. Sounds more than a little hypocritical.
I agree with you, but luke has a point in that this is a fan forum. So most people will like the game rather than hate it.

Darth Windu
10-19-2005, 04:40 AM
I agree that yes, it is a fan forum, so people will naturally be optimistic. However, I would expect that any forum would be open to all views. Thing is though, instead of trying to convince me that the game will be good, I got blasted instead.

FroZticles
10-19-2005, 04:53 AM
I'm open to all views but its so stupid that you dislike a game simply because they did not make it PT. Get over it already!! Buy Battlefront 2 and only play Clone era there done. Now please shut up.

OverlordAngelus
10-19-2005, 01:09 PM
I'm disapointed that the technology in the game doesnt go as far as ROTJ.

Now what doesn't seem to be clear, does the game still let you conquer/liberate the galaxy, or does it end with the destruction of the deathstar/rebel base?

I feel like they will soon be saying the open ended structure of the game was dropped and we have to play preset missions in the order they come in :(

I really hope the expansion covers ESB and ROTJ, rather than having seperate expansions for each movie. I would hope they draw from the Thrawn Trilogy too.

lukeiamyourdad
10-19-2005, 05:45 PM
I'm open to all views but its so stupid that you dislike a game simply because they did not make it PT. Get over it already!! Buy Battlefront 2 and only play Clone era there done. Now please shut up.

Froz is fully right. Sith had some doubts about gameplay but got zero blasting. Froz also has doubts and so does me and popcorn (after the exclusion of a part of the OT) yet none of us gets blasted.

Besides, you have to realize that since you're who you are Windu, you're going to get blasted eventually.

popcorn2008
10-19-2005, 11:50 PM
Exactly, I still have doubts about the game because 2/3 of the OT wont be in it. Of course it is still very confusing since it seems the Rebels have many aspects from RoTJ, but the Empire doesnt. I.E. A-Wing. I'm hoping they have something very secretive up their sleve. All Im saying is that this will be a good Star Wars RTS. Now it may not be as good as it could have been. I also find it highly annoying to spend anouther 50 dollars to buy the rest of the OT to add to the game.

Darth Windu
10-20-2005, 01:36 AM
FroZ - I don't dislike the game because it doesn't have the PT in it, I dislike it because it's going to be incomplete, and yet another waste of fan's money.

DarthMaulUK
10-20-2005, 09:51 AM
Firstly, lets try not too get personal in these hot debates (havent seen it yet, just a friendly warning) and although I disagree with alot of the negative feedback here, it does all add spice to the debate - the whole point of these forums.

I like the fact theres a cross over from Episode III to Episode IV and just because the tech tree or game doesnt cover the Clone period or Return Of Jedi really wont have a bearing on how the game actually plays.

As I have said before, the entire game appears to be open to Modding and of course expansions and frankly, it will probably keep the game alive over the next few years. We need a class like Rebellion that is totally playable without the steep learning curve and I am confident that Petroglyph will deliver. The game footage we have seen looks excellent.

DMUK

Darth_Terros
10-20-2005, 10:37 AM
I've noticed alot of people moaning that the game ends at ANH

Are you sure they dont just mean the story campaigns just ends there?

Maybe there is a sort of skirmish mode without the story which will make the game more open ended and you can do what you want?

So far i've seen nothing to say that this game is incomplete or rubbish it looks great to me! just what i've been waiting for i love RTSs and i adore starwars

whatever its gotta be better than Galatic Battlegrounds

popcorn2008
10-20-2005, 04:11 PM
FroZ - I don't dislike the game because it doesn't have the PT in it, I dislike it because it's going to be incomplete, and yet another waste of fan's money.
I dont think the game is going to be incomplete. They have increased the release date just to polish it up. It may seem incomplete though, due to the lack of OT content.

GhOsT-Jedi
10-21-2005, 12:50 AM
Lets not forget, they can add things in patches. They, I'm almost possitve, will add it either in the patch or an expantion.

OverlordAngelus
10-21-2005, 01:45 PM
Lucasarts have a history of patching a game once and if its still broken, abandoning it.

So don't count on patches to add new content.

Juggernaut1985
10-22-2005, 11:08 AM
But Petroglyph is the dev so its entirely possible they will continue to support their game.

Darth Alec
10-22-2005, 01:50 PM
I don't really see the overall problem of the tech tree ending at ANH. Yes I do understand that the game could be better if it had everything up to RoTJ, but still, I like Star wars everywere and such, I don't really care. Also on the same matter, What would the rebels have if they didn't have RoTJ stuff? They would only have X-wings, Y-wings and transports, and that would't it be any fun.

popcorn2008
10-22-2005, 06:25 PM
Lets not forget, they can add things in patches. They, I'm almost possitve, will add it either in the patch or an expantion.
Usually lucas arts games dont get patched up to add features, just to fix brocken ones. I've never seen major addons to games caused by patches. There are only a few small exceptions.

THrawn((9
10-28-2005, 12:33 PM
hate to burst everyones big huge bubble in here but the SSD isnt in is what ive heard if you look in the Offical ship list on swempireatwar.10.forumer.com in the General discussion area.

GhOsT-Jedi
10-28-2005, 01:53 PM
I hate to burst you'r bubble but we already knew that :P

Jan Gaarni
10-28-2005, 02:01 PM
And that's not an Official list either. ;)

THrawn((9
10-28-2005, 04:50 PM
no it myt not be but it still comes from a reliable source

lukeiamyourdad
10-29-2005, 12:37 AM
Yeah, still old news ;) Reading a thread before posting always helps :)

DK_Viceroy
10-29-2005, 09:48 AM
Though at the very least this will certainly be an interesting Portrayal of what people would want from a mod for EaW, looks like Mods will be wildly popular for a full and flavoursome game.

JamesSkywalker
01-21-2006, 08:05 PM
Just a ship? JUST A SHIP! We are talking about the Executer-class star dreadnaught here! To call it just a ship is like calling Palpentine JUST a deceptive *******.


Star Dreadnaught pffft.

popcorn2008
01-21-2006, 08:14 PM
This is an extremely old topic.

The SSD is not in.

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