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RobQel-Droma
10-12-2005, 05:50 PM
Inspired by the *cough* friendly *cough* discussion *cough* *cough* :lol: in the thread: Good KotOR idea. Do you want to stick with the Ebon Hawk, or do you want a new ship?

Prime
10-12-2005, 05:57 PM
Love the Hawk. Stik wit it!

The Doctor
10-12-2005, 06:00 PM
KEEP THE EBON HAWK! THE HAWK RULES!

Bob Lion54
10-12-2005, 06:45 PM
I vote "Stick with it."

Iv'e become quite fond of her. (though some upgrades would be cool!)

Killwithhonor
10-12-2005, 07:49 PM
That would be very cool if you could upgrade your ship! that would add alot to the game!

DarthLinde
10-12-2005, 09:35 PM
paint jobs would be awesome!

Johnny Couth
10-12-2005, 09:42 PM
Keep it, but give it some sweet new swag.

Kain
10-12-2005, 10:01 PM
The Hawk sucks.

TheGreenGoblin
10-12-2005, 10:05 PM
Keep the Hawk, its the falcon of KoTOR, but I do think it should be destroyed to mark the end of KoTOR (or at least this story arc) that way later, they can start totally fresh.

Hallucination
10-13-2005, 01:32 AM
Keep the Hawk, but I wanna see some interior changes, like a shag carpet.

fresnosmokey02
10-13-2005, 01:54 AM
Keep the Hawk. If not, we will still get something similar. Size and capacity matters. Just makes sense for something along these lines for carrying a small group of people around. Why would you need anything different?

IndianaSolo
10-13-2005, 02:42 AM
I'm torn. On one hand the Ebon Hawk is a staple of the series. But on the other hand I'd like to see something new.

I guess whichever works best with the story is fine with me, whether that be a new ship or a return of the Ebon Hawk.

YertyL
10-13-2005, 03:21 AM
Well, if I prefer the Hawk or another ship strongly depends on the other ship ;)
So undecided for now.

Vibro
10-13-2005, 08:35 AM
I like the Ebon hawk but I think it's time for a new ship.

Vladimir-Vlada
10-13-2005, 08:37 AM
Keep the Ebon Hawk! But add the ability to upgrade it with... anything. Literraly. :D

SITHSLAYER133
10-13-2005, 08:43 AM
i thaught this thread would be about the hawk figtin another ship

its like the Falcon from star wars so i say keep it

Venom750
10-13-2005, 09:37 AM
I say have the hawk don't know how there bring it in thou because it fell into the depths of malachor if your DS but if it did keep i'd like to be able to fly it like Luke does and jedi are know for there excellant piloting skills.

ChAiNz.2da
10-13-2005, 10:23 AM
Stick with it.

BUT:

- Add storage! Put the containers back in there!

- Add the floor panel "smuggler compartment" that the Falcon had (and possibly incorporate it into a mini-mission)

- Add "engine troubles" much like the Falcon had. The Hawk & Falcon are freighter ships, never meant to do what they do now. Make engine wear-n-tear a factor in the game rather than planet hopping like there's nothing to worry about.

- Put my damn swoop bike back in there ;) hehehe.. I miss the decor

- If they stick with the benches. Put a Lab bench in the medical area?? I'm still wondering why neither game had one (without mods of course.. hehe)

All in all, just make the Hawk more part of the game rather than the empty hull that provides scenery from one planet to the other. I like the Hawk, but I'd enjoy it more if my PC and Party were more involved with it...

Prime
10-13-2005, 11:12 AM
I say bring back the turrent mini-game...

Kain
10-13-2005, 12:18 PM
The Hawk & Falcon are freighter ships, never meant to do what they do now.

Hey RobQel, I told you the Ebon Hawk was a freighter.

RobQel-Droma
10-13-2005, 12:29 PM
Alright, you are right about that.

Bastila
10-13-2005, 01:36 PM
Got to stick with the Hawk!

IndianaSolo
10-13-2005, 02:49 PM
Stick with it.

BUT:

- Add storage! Put the containers back in there!

- Add the floor panel "smuggler compartment" that the Falcon had (and possibly incorporate it into a mini-mission)

- Add "engine troubles" much like the Falcon had. The Hawk & Falcon are freighter ships, never meant to do what they do now. Make engine wear-n-tear a factor in the game rather than planet hopping like there's nothing to worry about.

- Put my damn swoop bike back in there ;) hehehe.. I miss the decor

- If they stick with the benches. Put a Lab bench in the medical area?? I'm still wondering why neither game had one (without mods of course.. hehe)

All in all, just make the Hawk more part of the game rather than the empty hull that provides scenery from one planet to the other. I like the Hawk, but I'd enjoy it more if my PC and Party were more involved with it...

I've always felt the Ebon Hawk should be more vital to the actual game. I think they've misused the fact it's got storage compartments. They could have given each character an inventory weight limit and thus made them use the Ebon Hawk storage to keep all other items they couldn't carry. It would add another level of strategy to the game where a player needed to decide which items to bring with him and which to leave behind, risking not being able to reach the EH for a while.

Darth Serebus
10-13-2005, 03:15 PM
if not have an alternate ship like the x-wing which can also be used in the game. This will give diversity in it. I also thingthere should be more space battles as well.

Kain
10-13-2005, 04:35 PM
The X-Wing was brand new at the Battle of Yavin - 4000 years after KotOR.

Venom750
10-13-2005, 04:52 PM
He said like the X-wing not an actually X-wing

joshua05
10-13-2005, 05:32 PM
Here's my thoughts...Well..FIRST: I vote to keep the Ebon Hawk.

Here are my thoughts:

Star Wars Trilogy (episode 4-6) = Millenium Falcon

Star Wars Episode 1 = Nubian

Knights of the Old Republic (1-2) = Ebon Hawk

>>>Since, the Millenium Falcon is in the 3 original SW films...it wouldn't only be sufficient for the Ebon Hawk[/] to be in the 3 KOTOR games!

Joshua

[i]'Save your thanks...I've never left anyone on a mission, and I sure as heck am not going to start now!' -Carth Onasi; Knights of the Old Republic

chaleur
10-14-2005, 01:10 AM
I put myself in the "I don't care" camp, but that's a bit of a misnomer. I do care. I'd be really happy to have the Hawk again. On the other hand, it'd be need to have a new ship, with new stories, new areas to explore, and stuff to discover. Then again, I'd love to discover more about the Hawk. So I do care, but I'd be happy with either.

Kain
10-14-2005, 01:25 AM
All I'm saying is that the freighter angle - kinda like beating a dead horse. I'd much rather have the chance to pilot one of those Leviathan style cruisers.

RedHawke
10-14-2005, 03:40 AM
I'd much rather have the chance to pilot one of those Leviathan style cruisers.
That's nice and all, I would love to see this in a future SW RPG, possibly one where you play a Pirate Captain or a Merchant with a Fleet. But it is far out of the league of a Knights of the Old Republic game... Small craft tend to go unnoticed, and fits the RPG style story better.

Besides from just a pure rules perspective there is no way you are going to give a low level character a Capital Ship? You can't, that is pure Monty Haul style play. If you aquired one it would have to be for a higher level character for the end game only, either a Republic ship for LS or a Sith Leviathan for DS. But there is no way we could have one for any sort of free play adventuring, a game really changes when you aquire a Capital Ship. Not to mention that Capital ships are quite expensive to operate, whereas the small craft are reitively cheap.

Take the Corellian Corvette/Blockade Runner, a basic Capital Ship, depending on it's loadout it requires a crew of 65 to a max of 185, let's go with the minimum amount here for the example, you need 65 crewers... you have to pay these crew, this isn't "no money" Star Trek, in Star Wars sentient crewers want to be paid, and crew loyalty is highly influenced by their pay, and or their cut.

Now the average monthly pay for an enlisted crewer is around 500 to 750 credits, Specialists* average 750 to 1,000 credits, and Officers get 1,250 to 1,500 credits, this is paid monthly and being it is base you get no extra loyalty.

*Specialists encompass your people who specialise in Enginnering, Gunnery, Piloting, Command Operations, etc.

So figuring that out of 65 crew for your Corvette, you need around 33 basic crewers, 25 Specialists, and 7 Officers... this comes to...

33 X 500 = 16,500
25 X 750 = 18,750
7 X 1,250 = 8,750
Total = 44,000 Credits Per Month (+1 to Crew Loyalty for every 50% Increase in their wage, or share of prizes if you are a pirate)

So you have 44,000 credits in just base crew pay, plus the thousands of credits for Docking fees, Maintinance, Consumables, etc. The average cost for a non-pirate Corvette like this, with a +2 crew loyalty, runs you around 125,000 credits per month total...

Now how will we be able to support that in a KOTOR style RPG storyline?

Now a small craft costs only a few hundred credits a month at most**, that is why we are tooling around the galaxy in the Ebon Hawk light freighter in the KOTOR series, because the game developers need to take none of what I listed above into account, they can just tell you the story and let us fly the galaxy in this little freighter. ;)

** If you all remember in KOTOR I we did have to occasionaly pay docking fees. In TSL the reason the Ebon Hawk is a little run down, and we have T3-M4 in the party fixing the ship is to avoid these accountantcy issues. :)

Just my 2 cents! :D

Aurora Merlow
10-14-2005, 05:16 AM
Don't know why but i just like the hawk so i'd stick with that

Vladimir-Vlada
10-14-2005, 06:58 AM
Maybe adding the ability to repair, refuel, supply with upgrades. But the greatest wish for the Ebon Hawk is:

Please make it pilotable mannualy in space. If not vehicles, then please make the Ebon Hawk flyable. :(

RobQel-Droma
10-14-2005, 11:25 AM
Yeah, I think that would be cool if you had too beat off attacking ships, and then go to the cockpit because the pilot is injured and have to fly it through an asteroid field or something.

And RedHawke, I agree completely. I have thought about the costs and problems with flying around on a capital ship, but you really got into that even more. No, I would not want to pay 44,000 credits, not to mention all the rest from docking fees and such. If the Ebon Hawk has to pay around 100-200 credits for a docking fee, what what would a capital ship have to pay? And besides, it would be very annoying, as far as getting down to planets. Load, walk to the shuttle bay, get in, load, fly down, get out, then come back, get in, load, fly up, load, then get out and go to the bridge.

Kain
10-14-2005, 12:13 PM
Dude, if the game continues as Revan then why wouldn't he be at the helm of a captial ship. And if your this big bad Dark Jedi(in my case), loyalty doesn't come from pay - it comes from fear; Darth Vader style. Docking fees? I'll leave the beast in orbit and fly down in my customized shuttle. They want to get lippy about it? I'll bombard their planet; Darth Malak style. See where I'm going with this? Light Side characters - keep the freighter. Dark Side - lets get to captial cruisin!

RobQel-Droma
10-14-2005, 12:30 PM
It could work out that way. At the end, you defeat the Jedi and get a capital ship, actually get to bombard some places. If I am going super dark side, it would be ok at the end of the game. But about Revan, thats right, IF it starts with him, maybe, but he went off in the Unknown Regions to search for the enemy, so why would he waltz into their with a capital ship and a crew? I understood he went alone, so it wouldn't make much sense.

Kain
10-14-2005, 04:06 PM
It wouldn't be hard to pilot a captial ship alone. The problems come when your being attacked from all sides.

DarkMe
10-14-2005, 04:37 PM
What would be the best for me would be if you could go to the shop en buy your own ship and could customize it when you would want to... or you could still a ship when your in space>> look at your starmap see some ships chose one an go in blasting something like it... (if you want to buy a ship and its to expensive there should be some jobs around that pay well!!))

The Doctor
10-14-2005, 05:05 PM
All I'm saying is that the freighter angle - kinda like beating a dead horse. I'd much rather have the chance to pilot one of those Leviathan style cruisers.
Just to add to what RedHawke said, can you imagine trying to explore a Capital Ship, or haveoing your companions spead out across the entire ship? I agree, the freighter idea is getting a litle old.

Rok_stoned
10-14-2005, 07:09 PM
I really hate the ebon hawk at first i thought "oh a falcon clone, well it could get worse..." then I thought "WTF that thing is still here it wasn't good to begin with whys it still here?" now i think wtf even the people IIN game say thats a wellfare ship im like STFU i'm stuck with this crap barge.

RedHawke
10-15-2005, 04:18 AM
And RedHawke, I agree completely. I have thought about the costs and problems with flying around on a capital ship, but you really got into that even more.
Yup! :D My PnP Gaming group had it all worked out... we had a campaign where we scrapped the Force and Lightsabers, and played a group of Freighter Captains, Bounty Hunters, and Scouts... tried our hands at hauling cargo, and modifying our ships.

We hauled cargoes or hunted bounties and etc. building our funds, maxing out our initial ships, eventually we grew big enough to aquire capital ships, but as we did the game changed, we had to do bigger loads/bigger bounties and take more risks, just to make ends meet. It was fun but the bookeeping eventually led us to character retirement.

At retirement my Bounty Hunter (Who started with Mando Armor, and a Firespray class Patrol craft, aka Slave I) had an Imperial II Star Destroyer, 2 Imperial I's, 6 Victory II's, 3 Container Ships, and 36 Bulk Freighters... my monthly outlay was around 15+/- Million credits... My ships were heavily slave rigged and Droid crewed, my living crew were just the specialists and officers to cut costs. Droids cost about half as much as normal crew, though I spent extra, I had some very well maintained droids and spoiled but highly skilled living crews. And don't think for a minute that those monthly expenses encompassed everything, but with 3 container ships you could make a sizeable profit, being they each hold several million MT of cargo.

I did an Ice run to Tatooine once with that fleet, but that is another story... :D

Capital Ships aren't easy to own and operate... and rightfully so.

@ Kain, sorry man I just don't see it. One cannot rule by fear alone. :)

Kain
10-15-2005, 01:02 PM
Well there you go. Theres your answer: Droids. Cheaper to maintain than to pay humans.

RedHawke
10-16-2005, 04:54 AM
Well there you go. Theres your answer: Droids. Cheaper to maintain than to pay humans.
There is a catch with the Droid crew usage, see in order for your living crews to get better they simply spend CP to raise their skills... Droids on the other hand cost CP as well as credits to raise their skills. So it evens out cost wise in the long run.

Of course that depends on weather you want compitent Droids... By Your Command! :bot2:

Or cheap incompitent ones... Roger! Roger! :bdroid

:D

FiEND_138
10-16-2005, 09:27 AM
<-- Votes option one.

Rok_stoned
10-19-2005, 01:41 AM
Of course that depends on weather you want compitent Droids... By Your Command!

have you ever seen battle star galactica ? the robots use crappy voice synth and are disturbingly shiny also they don't seem very competent though...

RedHawke
10-19-2005, 03:09 AM
have you ever seen battle star galactica ?
:eyeraise: Why yes I have!

the robots use crappy voice synth and are disturbingly shiny also they don't seem very competent though...
Far more compitient that Sepratist Battle Droid fodder!

I think it is you who needs to go back and view the classic Battlestar Galactica series... heck the Cylons were brighter than some of the humans... and in the new BS Galactica they are definately smarter than Battle Droids. ;)

Darth Covetous
10-19-2005, 10:56 AM
I'm sick of the Hawk, and it doesn't help that I didn't particularly like it in the first place. In another thread, I believe someone described it as a "stapler attached to a folded paper plate." The next time I saw it I laughed my ass off. The Hawk just looks stupid to me that's all.

PoM
10-19-2005, 12:26 PM
I want the hawk!
That hawk is hawt!

Rok_stoned
10-19-2005, 01:57 PM
I'm sick of the Hawk, and it doesn't help that I didn't particularly like it in the first place. In another thread, I believe someone described it as a "stapler attached to a folded paper plate." The next time I saw it I laughed my ass off. The Hawk just looks stupid to me that's all.

amen its well fare falcon and the falcon isn't too good either

Young Outlaw
10-19-2005, 06:52 PM
I dont care what ship we get as long as i get to control it at least once in the game. Kind of like a mini game that controls like rogue squadron.

The Doctor
10-19-2005, 09:16 PM
^ I have to admit, that would be cool.

Shrub91
10-19-2005, 10:00 PM
^
^
Yes, that would rock.

Shrub91
10-19-2005, 10:21 PM
:eyeraise: Why yes I have!


Far more compitient that Sepratist Battle Droid fodder!

I think it is you who needs to go back and view the classic Battlestar Galactica series... heck the Cylons were brighter than some of the humans... and in the new BS Galactica they are definately smarter than Battle Droids. ;)
BSG '78 Cylons are helluva lot smarter than Battledroids, On another note though.... The new BSG '04-'05 Cylons are more manipulative and sinister, rather than just seemingly limitless supply of machines of doom.

Whereas SW droids are simple robots controlled by remote (with exceptions of C3P0, HK-47, T3 and Artoo who all seem to be sentient)

Shrub91
10-19-2005, 10:28 PM
But if it comes down to it... BSG '78 and SW are equals.

L1 Series Cylon Droids = C3P0, HK-47, T3 and Artoo.

Cylon Centurion Sergeant (ones with the gold colored armor) = Battledroid Commander.

Cylon Centurion (silver) = Regular "Roger Roger" Battledroid.

Their weapons are equal too, but They both would surely kick the snot out of those Redshirts.

jedi3112
10-23-2005, 10:11 AM
Terminator droids are probably better, but I doubt they're much better as we've never really seen them in a big battle (unless they're in Terminator 3, I've never seen that one).

Anyway I think By your command beats roger roger anyday of the week. Perhaps Destroyer Droids might beat them, but that is purely firepower.

I think the Hawk should stay, I don't like the idea of sneaking from planet to planet on a big ship. I also don't want to be the one landing the damn thing on a small landing platform.

Samurai DD
10-29-2005, 10:35 PM
Voted "Ok if we get another ship, but prefer the Hawk." The Hawk rocks, but we have had it for 2 games. A new ship would also be cool.

vader815
11-01-2005, 06:57 PM
Blast the stupid Hawk out of known space!!! We need somthing new other than characters. The new ship should be bigger, stronger, and faster. It sshould be at least 2 stories high and have its own sub., swoop bike, and landspeeder. It should also have a mini-practice arena for dueling and YOU can fly it.

RobQel-Droma
11-01-2005, 07:39 PM
^^^
Another Hawk and T3 hater. How about we get something different for HK. He should be new, shouldn't he? I like HK, but if you are saying that we need something new for the Hawk, and T3 is outdated, then why keep HK?

†Saint_Killa†
11-02-2005, 12:51 AM
Without the hawk, where's the Star Wars essence in that?

Without T3 and HK, where's the Star Wars smell of fart in that?

I say keep em. They wouldn't call it Star Wars for nothing.

But.... For DS character. Make it a capital ship and rule the galaxy. But as RedHawke typed... IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. But one thing.... I played KOTOR 2 again and in darth nihilus' ravager i saw npc's called Nihilus Slave.
Maybe you can mind contol your crewmen if you become more powerful. Well... just my two 2 centavo's to ya' bre'. :)

and 2 the moderators(again): just tell me if my avatar is bad i would gladly change it :)

DarkExcalibur42
11-04-2005, 02:56 PM
That would be very cool if you could upgrade your ship! that would add alot to the game!

If piloting the Hawk were a bigger part of the game, maybe some side-quests involving the ship... ooo that would be fun.

Then be able to buy new equipment for you ship... install better shields or armor, install upgrades on the weapons and engines... :D

As far as the Ebon Hawk vs a new ship... NO WAY I want a new ship!!! The Hawk is a character in and of itself. You can't just kill it off. That ship is my favorite vessel from the ENTIRE Star Wars Universe!!! Slave 1, Millenium Falcom, Dash Rendar's ship, etc. Hawk beats them all in my opinion.

Anathema78
11-08-2005, 09:12 PM
It depends on who the PC is, for me. If you're gonna be Revan or the Exile (which seems unlikely) then I guess it would be ok.
But if you're a new character it would be a bit silly that you just happen to get control of the Ebon Hawk. Even in TSL it was stretching the coincidence threshold a bit.
It would be getting a bit like pass the parcel.
*PC gets the Ebon Hawk*
"Damn, guess this means I'm gonna have to save the galaxy" *sigh*.

RobQel-Droma
11-08-2005, 10:04 PM
Well, they could lose it again. Maybe not that original, but it would work, and it would be ok. It could be crashed somewher perhaps in the Uknown Regions, you know- you don't have to get it immediately. Or it could just be found already, and you could find T3 or somebody in it. I don't know, but it doesn't really pose that much problem. It just needs to be there, especially at the end, even more especially if this is going to be the finisher of the series.

Anathema78
11-08-2005, 10:11 PM
It deserves a cameo appearance, ofcourse. Perhaps late in the game it could be introduced with a cut scene of it landing on a planet or docking with a station, complete with dramatic music and everyone goes 'ahhhh, the Hawk!'.
Guess we could have one last mooch around inside it for old times sake, and use it to go to the final destination for the big boss fight.

H2O_dk
11-10-2005, 09:09 AM
I voted "Stick with the Hawk", but if they have the time I'm ok with a new ship. That's after they have made the game work, incl. all the quests etc.

Cygnus Q'ol
11-10-2005, 12:40 PM
Yes, the Hawk was a great ship for K1. It was my baby for so long.
(I actually had dreams about it)

I was pleasantly surprised when she was back for K2.
But, the focus of the ship was slightly diminished. Still, it was OK.
Midway through the game though, my mind wandered and I imagined layouts of other ships. "Cargo hold here... Cockpit there..."

OK, if we're in the Hawk in K3 then, so be it.
But, personally I'd like a little novelty and imagination.

It's time for a new ship.

Joe©
11-10-2005, 01:25 PM
about the hawk....
Gotta keep it, I love that ship.
but it does not matter to much I guess since I spend very little time on it ::)

RobQel-Droma
11-10-2005, 02:31 PM
But, personally I'd like a little novelty and imagination.

It's time for a new ship

But if this is going to be the last Revan & Exile KotOR game, then why do we need a new ship? They should stick with it. We don't really need new ideas for a ship, it needs to be in there. Maybe to make you guys all happy you can ditch the Hawk if you want, but it needs to be there, especially if this is going to be the close of the series. Having new ideas is good and all, but to change a major part of the game that has been in K1 and K2? I just don't think it is a good idea.

However, if they do make more KotORish games after this one, which I am praying they will (If they do it right, these games could pwn every other game :D), we should get a new ship. New characters, no Revan Exile stuff so that it can start fresh. A new ship wouldn't be bad, it might be nice to have a bit different type of ship, but not for this KotOR series.

Amor
11-11-2005, 09:19 AM
Ebon Hawk forevah :)

UrchSr
11-13-2005, 01:30 AM
Keep it!! Why not? I feel that the Hawk is like an other npc in your party. It has that homey familiarity(sp). I'd like to see other ships, but the Hawk has made a name for it's self. I'd be just as disapinted to not see it in the game as if Hk and T3 were gone, too.

ilwugoalie
11-16-2005, 09:11 PM
I say keep the Hawk, but a different ship mght be cool for lets say a side mission.... something to the effects of when you had the Hawk Stolen in TSL... but this time you actually use another ship in your search for the hawk...

Not saying that specifically (dont want anymore recycled plotts in the games) just an idea

:x-wing: :tie: :tied: :vsd:
:x-wing:

OptimalOptimus
11-17-2005, 12:50 AM
I love the internal space of the Hawk.. But i sumtimes get lost. I know that sounds stupid. but i do. they should keep the Out side shape BUt upgrade the ship's paint job. cause it's Ugly. I know it's a Cargo ship ,But in the Game we use it As "Your" personal ship. The Ship is too Boxy looking on the front .. it looks like its' flying backwards .. I'm just used to seeing Star Trek ships. Star Trek Ships have Design in mind when built. Because the Star Trek is more peacefull the Star Wars. Where they have be in Countless wars... will millions of races..Over time . resources would be har dto come buy.. & ships would be OVEr worked & under repaired. SO i Guess it makes sence that the Hawk looks the way she does. Include the fact she's a Cargo ship. NOt a personal ship. The Bridge & two boxy parts one on the Left & right of the ship need to be smoothed down .. SO to give a more areodynamic look. I would like to see rooms for the Crew. not bunks & an open space. & i would like to see the engine room doing Sumthing... i'm used to the warm glow & hum of a Warp Drive :O) i'm spoiled.

remember that Big table in the center of the Hawk.. looked like it was used for holo grams.. WEll Put the Space map there .. Always showing so the ship looks more busy. Or a 3d hologram of the Ebon Hawk & damage status or sumthing.

Whats the room behind the Bridge for ???? Why not put someone in there looking busy .. That's just wasted space.

my paint job for the Hawk would be, Flat White for the hull. Silver on the guns & Trim , Tinted mirror finish on the windows. so you can't look inside the ship.

OH & a Low rider landing gear system. SO when the ship lands. it can lower all the way to the Ground. SO the Ship could be a Moble HOme.

Engma48
11-19-2005, 05:42 PM
as i said in a different thread about not having revan or the exile....if neither of these are pc's then i would have to say have a different ship, because the chances of a third person recieving the same ship and this story being about them are really far fetched

OptimalOptimus
11-20-2005, 07:42 PM
I have Made the Ebon Hawk 2.. with upgrades. But i can't post it here. Can How do i post it ?

Jeff
11-20-2005, 07:48 PM
Keep the Hawk.

OptimalOptimus
11-20-2005, 08:22 PM
Here's my Ebon Hawk 2 :O)


Prime EDIT: Link removed. You should know better. This is your warning.

JediMaster12
11-21-2005, 08:04 PM
The Hawk sucks.

Blasphemer!!
The Ebon Hawk is like the Milennium Falcon. IT'S THE BOMB!!
That ship is a tough one and I hope to have it again, maybe with some more options to do stuff on it. :lightning

Hallucination
11-21-2005, 09:55 PM
Here's my Ebon Hawk 2 :O)


Link removed due to content
Why did you post a gay porn site? And the page its on is members...thankfully...

OptimalOptimus
11-22-2005, 01:02 AM
Uhm, well i am Gay. & i used my gallery there to show my Ebon Hawk 2 Ship.. Was you able to see the ship ?

Hallucination
11-22-2005, 01:07 AM
No, but I did see a lot of porn links....
Since I couldn't see that gallery I guess that you posted porn as a sick joke. Remember you could use freewebs or imageshack and they'll let other people see it.

OptimalOptimus
11-22-2005, 02:02 AM
shoot , that sux. Oh well

pokejedi123
11-22-2005, 10:24 AM
i think it should stay but the game should let you do some changes

like a new color,som blin bling :king1:

and let it have that everybody gets their own rooms!

JediMaster12
11-22-2005, 04:47 PM
Good suggestion and while they're at let's see if the Hawk can have hydraulic lifts and bounce around with the bling bling.

Nuitari_28
12-04-2005, 12:41 PM
New ship, with spinning hydrothruster rims, purple furry seats, tinted windows, cool black/purple paint job, Neon lights, Hydrolics (for a bumpy ride). Basically pimp my wheelchair but pimp my starship.

RobQel-Droma
12-04-2005, 12:52 PM
Hydrolics? You would be in space. And purple? I'm sorry, I just can't imagine that for a galaxy saving/conquering person. :D

Besides, what kind of a starship would that be? Your person isn't a galaxy famous celebrity; half of the players wouldn't be female, either (I couldn't imagine a male flying this).

No offense, of course. But somehow I don't see that happening... :)

ilwugoalie
12-04-2005, 01:12 PM
Lets just stick with the Ebon Hawk. taking out the Hawk would be like replacing the Milenium falcon after ESB and bringing in a new ship for ROTJ

JediMaster12
12-05-2005, 01:09 PM
Ditto. Oh and Rob, I was being sarcastic. To change the Ebon Hawk like that is like desecrating a church.

RobQel-Droma
12-06-2005, 12:18 AM
Actually I was talking to Nuitari or whatever the name is, but thanks for letting me know too JediMaster12. Yeah, mega dittos on all that you have said. Ilwugoalie's right, I've said it before; getting rid of the Ebon Hawk would be like getting rid of the Millenium Falcon in RotJ, with no appearence of it. You could say the same for T3 and HK, actually; What would RotJ be if 3PO and R2 dissappeared or got killed in the beginning?

JediMaster12
12-06-2005, 03:38 PM
Got a point there. I saw the droids as comic relief. Without them, another boring flick in spite of all the action.

Darth Windu
12-07-2005, 10:43 PM
I say definately stick with the [IHawk[/I]. What I would like to see though are ship improvements that you can buy at some point.

If things work like in KotOR with the random chance of being intercepted by Sith fighters, you could have upgrades for Armour, Guns, Engines etc. Maybe as a gift for you helping out, someone could give you some fluffy dice for the dash as well?

CaptainWhyNot
12-08-2005, 02:12 AM
I voted for the "Ok if we get another ship, but prefer the Hawk" option.

But, I definitely think the Hawk should be used at least some in the next game. It would make sense to me, if you weren't playing Revan or The Exile, that you start out in some other ship, but later join up with the Exile and/or Revan who are/is using the Ebon Hawk.

JediMaster12
12-10-2005, 12:53 PM
I say definately stick with the [IHawk[/I]. What I would like to see though are ship improvements that you can buy at some point.

If things work like in KotOR with the random chance of being intercepted by Sith fighters, you could have upgrades for Armour, Guns, Engines etc. Maybe as a gift for you helping out, someone could give you some fluffy dice for the dash as well?

That could be an option but what of the turrets? THe supposed original owner of the Hawk said that it was sluggish when it came to fast moving fighters. Improvements on the hyperdrive could help, give it a bit more power. As for the fluffy dice, put those in a pimped out ride on four wheels.

Jae Onasi
12-10-2005, 01:49 PM
I could live with a new ship, too, but prefer the Hawk. The new ship would have to have a higher Cool Factor (tm) than the Hawk, though. Hey, if you're going to get a new ship, it may as well look and run better....
I'm with DarkExcalibur42--If keeping the Hawk, I think it'd be fun to go on a (side) quest for some new parts ("You need to go find a Raniskran for the Hyperdrive before you can go to the Unknown Regions--the only place I know to find a Raniskran is on Corellia. Erlin Solo smuggles one out every now and then. Watch out for the Hutts...."). Then have those parts make a real improvement on the ship's performance (outrunning fighters? Mow through them faster? Making it through the asteroid field easier? that kind of stuff).
Or you could just get some new curtains to match those fluffy dice in the dash.... :noel:

Nuitari_28
12-11-2005, 05:49 AM
Wassamatter with a purple space ship, every badass dude has a purple spaceship if Mr T was in Starwars hed have a purple spaceship with gold rims and what do you mean no hydrolics. Yea i like the thought of fluffy dice though pink ones with a ink tree airfreshner very cool.

JediMaster12
12-12-2005, 01:55 PM
Wassamatter with a purple space ship, every badass dude has a purple spaceship if Mr T was in Starwars hed have a purple spaceship with gold rims and what do you mean no hydrolics. Yea i like the thought of fluffy dice though pink ones with a ink tree airfreshner very cool.

Because we like the Hawk the way it is. Your ship is actually a space pimp's dream ship.

Nuitari_28
12-12-2005, 02:54 PM
it is the hawk a new and improved hawk. Like action man everyone likes action man but every time he needs something new like a torpedo gun or a space buggy. So the hawk needs something new about it...

RobQel-Droma
12-12-2005, 03:31 PM
^It does not need that as something new about it.

Come on, Nuitari, I'm sorry, but that idea... Just think about the phrase "shaming the KotOR series". You are a Jedi Knight/Sith Knight trying to save/conquer the galaxy; You aren't a galactic celebrity. :xp:

What you are talking about would make the Hawk some frilly little toy ship- not quite what the poor Hawk should be turned into, it would ruin KotOR. Even if you do think it looks cool.

JediMaster12
12-12-2005, 07:28 PM
Come on, Nuitari, I'm sorry, but that idea... Just think about the phrase "shaming the KotOR series". You are a Jedi Knight/Sith Knight trying to save/conquer the galaxy; You aren't a galactic celebrity. :xp:

That's true. You don't see a copy of Who's Who's in the Republic with a picture of a Jedi.


What you are talking about would make the Hawk some frilly little toy ship- not quite what the poor Hawk should be turned into, it would ruin KotOR. Even if you do think it looks cool.

Mega dittos

Char Ell
12-12-2005, 08:39 PM
I like the Ebon Hawk and think it's a cool ship. I'm not opposed to seeing it again in a future KotOR game. However I would like a better explanation of how the EH made it through the crash on Malachor V and was able to escape M5's destruction. I just don't buy the EH crash landing on the planet and then being able to fly off before M5 explodes. If the devs can't come up with something (and I think that would be tough to do) then it's time to come up with a new ship.

harwai
12-15-2005, 03:09 PM
has anyone ever played skies of arcadia?

well having a ship upgrade system like that would be good

and it would be even better to get hold of your own space port!

Or maybe the ability to choose your ship?
like some have different attributes like speed and bulk

PS. is KoToR official yet?
if it is, can i have a link?

Kain
12-15-2005, 05:22 PM
The Hawk sucks.

Bob Lion54
12-15-2005, 05:37 PM
has anyone ever played skies of arcadia?

well having a ship upgrade system like that would be good

and it would be even better to get hold of your own space port!

Or maybe the ability to choose your ship?
like some have different attributes like speed and bulk
The Hawks in only in the game to get you where you need to go. The Turrent game is just there to add a bit of fun to the ship. The turrent mini-game is enough. I don't want to turn K3 into a flight sim anymore than I would want to turn it into a first person shooter or a hack 'n slash. (as some have sujested.)

PS. is KoToR official yet?
if it is, can i have a link?
No, its not official yet, but the prevailing assumption is that it will be made. When? No one knows for sure. (I think its probable unofficial, "behind the scenes" talks are going on between LA and Obsidian, or another developer, but nothing has been announced yet.)

By the way:
Welcome to LF! Enjoy your stay but don't feed the animals. (They are on a strict diet.)

harwai
12-15-2005, 05:50 PM
thank you for the welcome
and thanks for the information
:)

RobQel-Droma
12-16-2005, 01:02 AM
The Hawk sucks.

Wel- Wait... You've posted that same thing before. :)

harwai
12-16-2005, 08:40 AM
The Hawk sucks.
care to say why?

JediMaster12
12-16-2005, 12:17 PM
The Hawk sucks.

*Gets lightsaber out*

You are lucky I won't cut you to pieces. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE HAWK!!

Rain128
12-16-2005, 01:37 PM
the Hawk rules, but im geting a little weary about it ... i mean come on, how meany times has it been shot down blown up and crashed?!?

Darca Lar
12-17-2005, 10:51 PM
the Hawk is a pretty cool ship, but it reminds me of the Falcon. I dont mind sticking with it, but I'd rather this one have a new ship, and maybe the PC crosses paths with Atton and the ship throughout the game.

The Doctor
12-17-2005, 11:33 PM
The Hawk sucks.

But only on weekends, and not for free.

There is nothing wrong with the Ebon Hawk, in my opinion. I love it, personally.

JediMaster12
12-21-2005, 02:23 PM
Mega Kudos to you Doctor! For this I give you eleven out of ten! Absoloodle!

RobQel-Droma
12-21-2005, 03:51 PM
But only on weekends, and not for free.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

1000+ cool points, Doctor! Couldn't have said it better myself. :giggle1:

PoiuyWired
12-22-2005, 10:11 PM
Well, if there is anything I would like to see for the 'Hawk it would be:
1) Medical Workstation in sickbay.
2) Maybe a souped up engine that does not do down 10 times more than MF.
3) Some real beds for sleeping (... charging up the landing ramp?)

Ok, I would hate to see if they replace the 'Hawk with another ship, like the Purple pimpish Ebon Ewok as mentioned above.

RobQel-Droma
12-22-2005, 11:37 PM
Ok, I would hate to see if they replace the 'Hawk with another ship, like the Purple pimpish Ebon Ewok as mentioned above.

Ebon Ewok. :lol: Now that is just funny. :)

Ransom
12-26-2005, 09:02 AM
hay i thort that that the Ebon Hawk was distroyed on Malacor V

a_nazgul
12-26-2005, 10:50 PM
I killed Bastila in KotOR I, and she appears in II, so I dont see a problem there.

I want to customize the ship!!!!

Darth Windu
12-27-2005, 06:19 AM
If you play LS in KotOR2, the Hawk flys into the Unknown Regions at the end, so no, it's not destroyed.

The Doctor
12-27-2005, 10:55 AM
Even if it was destroyed, the ship could be the EBon Hawk II, or Ebon Hawk A, or something like that. THE HAWK RULES!!!:urpdude:

Ransom
12-30-2005, 06:37 AM
Even if it was destroyed, the ship could be the EBon Hawk II, or Ebon Hawk A, or something like that. THE HAWK RULES!!!:urpdude:

yeah a upgraded Ebon Hawk would be good

JediKnight707
12-31-2005, 03:12 AM
I like the Hawk, and it seems to me that it has to stay, but it's OK with me if they get a different room.

The Doctor
12-31-2005, 03:22 PM
Another ship would suck, and this time for free. The Ebon Hawk is to Star Wars like the TARDIS is to Doctor Who - it never changes.

Sith_Reven
12-31-2005, 04:22 PM
The hawk is like my home away from home if I dare go that far. It could use some changes and the character could have personal quarters with a bed like fable perhapse except on the ship of course. They could make it a bit bigger. ----Add a high def screen and some lay-z-boys maybe. Just kidding, I won't even go there.

SOCR
12-31-2005, 07:34 PM
i believe piloting a capitol ship IS possible in the game. Actually, very easily done.

Recap for those who havent read the hand of thrawn series.

'Dark Force' was a fleet of 200(+?) dreadnaughts, all slaved to a master ship. Everything was automated down to the maintenance. If i remember right, the fleet lasted over 50 years, and still functioned. (of course, when they were found, some ships got stolen, others destroyed, etc etc etc)

The ship replacing the Ebon Hawk could have all its systems slaved to the bridge or a command center (like G0T0's yacht supposedly) and maybe T3 could be in charge of the droid systems. All commands could be imput to the bridge, and it would only need a crew of 4-9 depending on size. I believe a star-destroyer sized ship would need maybe 12 crew members on this system. This would be awesome, for those who want space battles, maybe a small wing of starfighters could be on board and you and your crew can pilot them, whiile your big mean capitol ship blows the enemy to iddy bitty chunks. Watch for the bombers! another cool idea would be to have certain areas do certain things, and if those areas are destroyed in the space battles, then you cant use them anymore!

Maybe you get to bring the hawk aboard sometime, like inbetween the second to last and last level of KOTOR1

RobQel-Droma
01-01-2006, 12:33 AM
But why? You aren't a Republic/Sith Admiral trying to assault Coruscant, you are just a small band of galaxy saviours/conquerers. So why would you go clunking around in a capital ship, especially if most of the time you are trying to keep a low profile? Besides, it is completely away from the style of the other games- it just doesn't fit in KotOR. We aren't playing Empire at War, you know. :)

Just like The Doctor wisely said: The Hawk is part of KotOR, if not all of Star Wars. Luke didn't go zooming around in a super star destroyer, did he? Of course, Darth Vader did. But in that case, perhaps near the end of the game, if you have taken over the Sith as Darth someone you could have a capital ship. But for all of us others, who would be alienated from the game, the Hawk needs to be there. Even if you could destroy it if you really want- it just needs to be in there, at least as an option.

As far as making it work, droids cost money. As does a capital ship. As does programs designed to keep the droids running. Add this to repairs, to damage from pirates and Sith warships all coming to attack your huge and very obvious ship- you better have a lot of money. Come on, you obviously aren't going to start the game with a capital ship, are you? And not given to you either, that would just be stupid.

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-02-2006, 10:46 PM
I think the Ebon Hawk needs to be re-done, for instance it needs more levels or rooms, just to have something different in the game.

Nedak
01-02-2006, 11:13 PM
Use a ship like in Austin Powers... But I don't care that much :P

AnakinSolaris
01-04-2006, 11:57 AM
Ideally, I would like a new ship. Expanded Ebon Hawk isn't really feasible, unless it turned into the Tardis or something.

However, it is not an element of the game that really bothers me that much, to be honest I don't really care either way.

I would prefer the Ebon Hawk if the devlopers put the time that would have gone into designing a new ship into improving the plot and dialogue of the game, as that matters infinitely more IMHO.

Darth InSidious
01-04-2006, 01:26 PM
It's a keeper, and no modding it, DEFINITELY no:

- Spoilers,
- Neon lights, interior or exterior,
- Alloy Hyperdrive,
- Bright colours,
- Decoration
- Tinsel
- Fake alloy wheels,
- Posters of Betty Boop.

Nedak
01-04-2006, 07:44 PM
It's a keeper, and no modding it, DEFINITELY no:

- Spoilers,
- Neon lights, interior or exterior,
- Alloy Hyperdrive,
- Bright colours,
- Decoration
- Tinsel
- Fake alloy wheels,
- Posters of Betty Boop.

Don't forget about the squishy chairs with the pink fluffy bunnies on it. Oh and the storage room with a wordrobe with shirts that say "Im with stupid" and " I really wish I wern't on this planet right now." :p

Jeremia Skywalk
01-04-2006, 07:59 PM
I just am too used to it, completing the 2nd part of game for more than 30 times, (realy, or even more) i just cannot imagine that kotor could go with any other ship.

Darth InSidious
01-04-2006, 08:34 PM
Don't forget about the squishy chairs with the pink fluffy bunnies on it. Oh and the storage room with a wordrobe with shirts that say "Im with stupid" and " I really wish I wern't on this planet right now." :p
And dice. Big, pink, fluffy dice are right out.

RobQel-Droma
01-05-2006, 06:37 PM
And no Twi-Lek attendants, either. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that.

The Source
01-05-2006, 08:56 PM
I would stick with the Hawk; however, I would fix it up a bit. In KotOR II, the cargo bay was empty. They should do something with this space. Add equipment storage, etc... Like Han and the Millenium Falcon, I want to keep my version of. "The Fastest Ship in the Galaxy"... Hehehe... :)

JediMaster12
01-09-2006, 06:12 PM
Kudos to you MacLeodCorp. The Hawk should stay the way it is. The Cargo space could be improved with canisters like in KOTOR 1

Rexraptor2000
02-16-2006, 10:05 PM
The Ebon Hawk should be built upon as a frigate class vessal.

Lord_Andre
02-17-2006, 08:19 AM
Chainz and Vladimir are right these modifications should be made.The Hawk is a unique ship,the one whos playing the game would enjoy these modifications
and he will play it more than 30 times.I played Kotor2 30 times until i got boring without mods.

MachineCult
02-17-2006, 08:57 AM
The Ebon Hawk should be built upon as a frigate class vessal.
What?

Point Man
02-17-2006, 12:10 PM
Look, everyone is missing the point. You have to have the Ebon Hawk in K3 because you have to unlock the navicomputer to figure out where Revan went in the Unknown Regions. Hasn't anyone heard of foreshadowing? :wedge:

JediMaster12
02-17-2006, 01:14 PM
Yes we have because Kreia gives us an earful on the Trayus Academy, at least to those that have played the game.

igyman
02-17-2006, 05:52 PM
If you get a new character, then you should get a new ship, too. Your main quest in the game could be to track down the Ebon Hawk and once you find it you use it to get to the True Sith.

If you do get the Ebon Hawk for the third time, then there better be a good explanation on how you got it, not like in TSL where there was no explanation at all.

Point Man
02-18-2006, 12:46 AM
If you do get the Ebon Hawk for the third time, then there better be a good explanation on how you got it, not like in TSL where there was no explanation at all.
I'll give you that one. I did not like the lack of explanation about where the Ebon Hawk came from. I also hated the lack of explanation about how it came to rescue the Exile at the destruction of Trayus Academy. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief if there is a reason given, but come on, give me a reason.

MachineCult
02-18-2006, 08:03 AM
Two things that have to be in all KOTOR games, the two Droids, and the Ebon Hawk. Especially seeing as they change everything else.

The Source
02-18-2006, 12:43 PM
How about a version of the Millenium Falcon. :)

igyman
02-18-2006, 02:59 PM
Two things that have to be in all KOTOR games, the two Droids, and the Ebon Hawk. Especially seeing as they change everything else.

Aren't those three things? (Seriously now, I agree that the droids , especially HK-47, must be in KoTOR 3, as for the Hawk, I already said what I think of that.)

How about a version of the Millenium Falcon.

Well, the Ebon Hawk IS KoTOR's Millenium Falcon, but if you're thinking of a ship that actually looks a lot like the Falcon, then definitely not. This is 4000 years before the movies, things shouldn't look the same as they did there, everything should look different, from the droids (who already look different), to space ships.

Reclaimer
02-23-2006, 05:26 PM
I think we should keep the Hawk, cause it's a big thing now and it would mean a side story on it's disappearence.

JediMaster12
02-25-2006, 02:04 AM
I guess what really bugs people's minds on this is how do we account for getting the Hawk again. I'm sure there are a hundred possible senarios and heck, I wouldn't mind hearing them all. As a loyal fan to the Hawk, I saw stick with it.

Darth InSidious
02-25-2006, 12:46 PM
Simple. We don't have a new PC :)

igyman
02-25-2006, 02:32 PM
You're absolutely right about that one. But which of the two old characters would you use for K3 (personally, I'd like Revan)?

JediMaster12
02-27-2006, 12:47 AM
But then Revan could be dead. Maybe the Ebon Hawk could be stuck on a world and the new PC is a native of that world. That was one possibility I just thought of.

Nuitari_28
03-11-2006, 07:38 AM
Ok so the hawk stays but i think it needs a new paintjob it looking a bit trashed up at the moment what with crashing into every moving object and maybe a few upgrades.

However maybe we might get to play in another ship, we have done in both games such as the ship in the beggining of the first game and the something or rather later on in the game. Maybe we might experience a few other ships maybe not just as levels or places to go but as a transport device a few times.

Ztalker
03-11-2006, 09:03 AM
I agree with Nuitari.

If it keeps looking like this, the True Sith won't be defeated unless they laugh themselevs to death. Maybe add some more weapons/cool stuff, and make it more a warship instead of a freighter.

†Saint_Killa†
03-11-2006, 09:46 AM
Warships are good but controlling the warship is what i can't comprehend.

I wouldn't want to control it's turrets though. A warship has tons of turrets.

Rexraptor2000
03-11-2006, 10:28 AM
That's why you have a large crew.

Ztalker
03-11-2006, 01:24 PM
Exact.

Maybe only controlling the main cannon or a feighter yourself.
They could just link some modules to create the 'warship' effect, like Redjohnnymike did with his 'Capital ship' mod.

†Saint_Killa†
03-11-2006, 10:46 PM
I think the crew may cost a lot of money though.

Rexraptor2000
03-12-2006, 03:46 PM
You could have an A.I. control the turrets then.

JediMaster12
03-13-2006, 03:21 AM
Yeah and they would probably miss every shot because AI cheats. It is evil. I'd rather have control of the turrets because I can kill fighters in less than ten seconds. That is being generous. :lol:

†Saint_Killa†
03-13-2006, 05:59 AM
If AI controls turrets then you would just watch it rather than actually doing it. But if you could control a ship I also think that would be cool anyways.

DarkLord152
03-15-2006, 08:51 PM
It would be very cool to have like a huge ship and have a bunch of mandorlarians on it and stuff like that 'War Ship".But im fine with the Ebon Hawk . :duel:

shinyjedi
03-25-2006, 06:58 PM
Ebon Hawk all the way (did they ever make a scale model of that thing?)

As to how it survived, and all the nitpicking about it, I'm surprised that all the loose end cowboys who've been griping about the Hawk haven't wondered aloud how it managed to hold on to the faded and stained paintjob through what amounted to a major rebuild on Peragus. The droids replaced a considerable chunk of hull, then apparently went to great pains to match the existant paint scheme. Good thing they didn't shoot as well as they painted, or you'd never get off the mining base :twogun:
As to how the ship survived Malachor, in LS you SEE it fly away, in DS, you simply don't see it. When it crashes, only the outer hull in the dorm areas is compromised, and we already know it'll fly with half the ship exposed to space once the inner blast doors close

As far as upgunning it, there are already two outer quadlasers (which must be remotely operated, as I can't see any way to get to them), the chin turret you use on Peragus, and a pair of big honking guns in the upper turret. I'd be satisfied if they unlocked the quadlasers. I'd also like to see the opportunity to assign whatever turret you aren't using to another party member, and then just give us more fighters to shoot to make up for the added firepower.

I'd like to see it actually capable of transporting cargo! Put the npcs in the dormatories where they belong (it would seem that it was originally set up for a crew of 6-12, assuming hot-racking or not, and even at that, you could double the number of beds in each and not need the room you lose) Then add some side missions where they have to earn creds transporting cargo or passengers. Frankly, I feel a bit wierd as a light sider sustaining the party on petty pilferage. I'd rather be able to ignore all the loot left carelessly stowed in locked containers all over the place, let alone the macabre practice of looting every body I come across, and, instead earn the money to purchase whatever I need from merchants.
I'd also like to see some of the other areas normally required for navigation to be manned. Even the MF needed a pilot and co-pilot.
The Ebon Hawk is actually a pretty big ship, or would be if it weren't so full of wasted space.

So, all in all, Give us the EH back, but build it better!

How does the PC get it? How did Reven get it (back), how did the Exile get it? Remember, " there is no co-incidence, there is only the force." :yoink:

Cygnus Q'ol
04-05-2006, 12:46 PM
I wouldn't mind a different ship, but I'd really be surprised if they have one.
The 'Hawk' is a constant of KotOR. They probably won't mess with that.

However, I'd like to utilize the cargo hold better. In KotOR, I crammed my cargo cannisters full of goodies. Perhaps they could make it a sparring area like in TSL, but only this time spar with anyone or perhaps spar as one of your other party members. You know, test 'em out before battles and such.

I donno, it just seemed like such a waste of space.

JediMaster12
04-07-2006, 02:29 PM
I know, I know. I had to get a mod just to make that space more interesting and it helps but not much. After you empty the secret compartments, you can't do anything else so I'm back at square one, the worst spot to be in. :D

XI33
04-07-2006, 06:53 PM
Inspired by the *cough* friendly *cough* discussion *cough* *cough* :lol: in the thread: Good KotOR idea. Do you want to stick with the Ebon Hawk, or do you want a new ship?


When i first played kotor 2 and saw the ship i was using was the ebon hawk I was pretty disappointed,because i never realy liked the ebon hawk in the first place. Its easy to get lost in,you cant use any of the smuggling stuff and its a rip off of the melineium falcon and is a complete marketing ploy.

I say they give you a new and improved ship that you have the abbility to pilot yourself. I want it to be an original never before seen deseign. Complete with new features and i want you to have your own custimizable room with the abbility to sleep in it and hang weapons on the wall.

Another thing i want is the abblitiy to interact with other ships. I want the ship not to be basicly a house/teleporter devise.

shinyjedi
04-07-2006, 08:09 PM
@X133,
Those are good ideas, but they're also ideas that could work well with the Ebon Hawk. If the new episode takes place more than a couple of years after KOTOR2, there is no reason to believe the Hawk might not have had a few refits. Make one of the dormatories into a captain's cabin with the hangable weapons racks along with a bed and etc... Refit the other dorm into something that's more in keeping with shipboard quarterd (more cramped). You can easily double the number of bunks in either of the dorms and still not be more crowded than your average ship. I'd love to have the hawk flyable at least as a mini game. Get rid of those stupid swoop races and give us a gauntlet run in the Hawk and I'll be happy.

XI33
04-07-2006, 08:20 PM
Yeah the ebon hawk might not be so bad if it was seriouly upgraded. But i would prefer a more original design