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idle
10-13-2005, 09:52 AM
What kind of Imperial weapon would leave 2 smouldering skeletons as what was left of the Lars'? It's been annoying me for ages.

Kurgan
10-13-2005, 11:22 AM
I don't think there really is a canon explanation, so nobody (except maybe George) knows for sure. There's been lots of speculation however:

1) It was just fire from the homestead burning or whatnot.

2) Some kind of incendiary device like a flame rifle or thermal detonator type weapon.

3) Some kind of special "slow burn" torture setting on a standard Stormtrooper rifle.

4) Just keep shooting the bodies over and over after they're dead, and eventually they turn into skeletons.

5) The Troopers dumped some chemicals on the bodies to disintegrate or burn them and then left. Luke just happens to catch them in this state.

It all happened off screen, so we have to guess, really...

There's all sorts of questions then people ask like why the Troopers did it this way, why the bodies are as they are, etc. So feel free to use your imagination! ;)

Prime
10-13-2005, 11:37 AM
I figured they shot them, and then let them burn along with the rest of the place.

Jan Gaarni
10-13-2005, 01:08 PM
I figured they shot them, and then let them burn along with the rest of the place.
:wstupid:

Exactly what I've been thinking aswell thru the years.

El Sitherino
10-13-2005, 01:10 PM
Same. I figured in the fire something exploded and they shot out.

idle
10-13-2005, 01:14 PM
It's a good enough excuse for me, I was just wondering if I had somehow missed out on some cool Imperial weapon through all these years. :)

Jan Gaarni
10-13-2005, 03:14 PM
Well, it could have been some kind of flamethrower, who knows, but that ain't really anything "new". :D

I mean, even we have that. :p

Kurgan
10-13-2005, 04:51 PM
Maybe the Empire just hired this guy (http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/945637465-00.gif).

TK-8252
10-13-2005, 05:17 PM
According to the databank, the troops burned the house down. So they were probably shot at first and then the place was set on fire, burning their bodies and all the rest of the place...

Jeff
10-13-2005, 08:34 PM
I agree with most of you, I just figured that they were burned when the house was burned. And sounds like TK has a more definite answer.

Kurgan
10-13-2005, 08:44 PM
So the question people ask next is, what did they use to burn everything with? Lighter fluid from their backpacks?

I'll resist the urge to make another joke reference to SWBF2 to explain this. ;)

El Sitherino
10-13-2005, 08:56 PM
Dead jawas.

90SK
10-13-2005, 09:45 PM
Certainly seems to be the abundant fuel source on Tatooine.

Kurgan
10-13-2005, 09:57 PM
Jawa Juice might indeed by highly flammable for all we know...
:jawa :smash: :drink3: :firehead

TK-8252
10-13-2005, 10:03 PM
Question is now how did R2-D2 start the fire to burn the Jawas. Oil and the rockets again? :)

Kurgan
10-13-2005, 10:06 PM
That explains why he wasn't flying ever again, he used it all up murdering those poor :jawa :jawa :jawa !! :crybaby:

:r2d = :dev10: !


Still, Jawa Juice is great! :guiness:

Great Scott!
10-14-2005, 09:36 AM
Question is now how did R2-D2 start the fire to burn the Jawas. Oil and the rockets again? :)R2D2 burning Jawas? Huh?

TK-8252
10-14-2005, 05:07 PM
R2D2 burning Jawas? Huh?

Yeah, after they were all killed by the troops...

Kurgan
10-14-2005, 05:54 PM
See, the R5 unit that 'self destructed'? R2D2 killed him so he wouldn't talk!

Star Wars conspiracy theories rock! Some fan filmmaker needs to start up an Oliver Stone-esque project for Star Wars... ;)

TK-8252
10-14-2005, 05:56 PM
See, the R2 unit that self destructed? That was just a ruse...

R5 unit technically, and actually, according to EU, R5-D4 actually did blow itself up because it wanted R2-D2 to stay with C-3PO. :p

Kurgan
10-14-2005, 07:27 PM
That's just what they wanted you to think. Who do you suppose wrote that book?

Ah ha... now the picture becomes clear!

Btw, I edited my post, apparently right as you quoted me, oh well. ;)

coupes.
10-14-2005, 09:44 PM
Well, this thread is getting out of hand... :disaprove

Kurgan
10-15-2005, 12:55 AM
So I guess the answer is: We don't know, and we may never know, unless they come up with some canon explanation. So use your imagination!

90SK
10-15-2005, 12:58 AM
For all we know, those are the skeletons of two stormtroopers that they killed during their daring escape. :p

TK-8252
10-15-2005, 01:47 AM
But the armor wouldn't burn that fast... but wait! Unless... Owen and Beru jacked their armor and are now disguised as troops! Gasp!

90SK
10-15-2005, 01:49 AM
The plot thickens!

Kurgan
10-15-2005, 01:52 AM
And how did they get the armor you ask? Simple... do recall how Obi-Wan had a brother? Guess Owen wasn't so ignorant of the force after all!

MachineCult
10-18-2005, 07:13 PM
They set the house on fire and the Lar's ran outside on fire and then died.
Thats what i always thought.

Pho3nix
10-31-2005, 08:52 AM
I figured they shot them, and then let them burn along with the rest of the place.

Me too.

Brottor
10-31-2005, 04:00 PM
Shooting them and then burning them makes the most sense to me. They wouldnt have only gotten to where they were if they had only been burned. They needed to already be dead in order not to move.

Jan Gaarni
10-31-2005, 04:27 PM
Or they were trying to get out of their burning home.

MachineCult
10-31-2005, 05:49 PM
From the way the corpses were lying it looks like they died from being burned.

RobQel-Droma
10-31-2005, 07:26 PM
I always thought that they were shot over and over again. The two ideas I think are:

1. They were shot over and over again.
2. They were burned by the flames.

The other ideas I had considered were:

3. They were hit with some kind of grenade.
4. They were shot by a disruptor rifle, or a setting on the regular rifle.

RedHawke
11-02-2005, 04:10 AM
I prefer the explination of the Lars' deaths 'due to a domestic dispute' as given in Troops, the fan film that makes fun of Cops... but that is probably just me. :xp:

master_skywalke
11-04-2005, 02:22 PM
I always thought they first burned the homestead with there blaster rifles (on a special burning setting) and then trowed some termals into the place so they where sure that they where dead.

Kurgan
11-05-2005, 01:03 PM
Ironic, isn't it? The disguished troopers were probably shot by Han/Chewie in Docking Bay 94. Luke never found out!

Or did he?

JawaJoey
11-07-2005, 03:21 AM
I prefer the explination of the Lars' deaths 'due to a domestic dispute' as given in Troops, the fan film that makes fun of Cops... but that is probably just me. :xp:

You beat me to it!

Anyways, I'm pretty sure that Troops might as well be considered official cannon. It makes perfect sense.

Wilshire
01-20-2006, 11:32 PM
what kind of sadistic stormtrooper would sit there for hours shooting a human corpse until it turned into a smoldering skeleton haha

General Solo
01-21-2006, 01:02 AM
Well I heard before or read it in a book that Owen threw a grenade or something to hit the stormtroopers and it missed and killed Owen and Buru.

TK-8252
01-21-2006, 01:06 AM
Well I heard before or read it in a book that Owen threw a grenade or something to hit the stormtroopers and it missed and killed Owen and Buru.

That was made up for a satirical Star Wars fan-film called TROOPS.

General Solo
01-21-2006, 01:33 AM
mhm, of course it was made up because we never actually saw what happened, so yea

zalcron
02-24-2006, 12:40 PM
i dont think the skeletons were them, maybe they were the kind you find in doctors' offices and the stormtroopers thought it would be funny to make luke beleive it was them, whilst they took his aunt and uncle to Jabba's and sold them as dancers...

Kurgan
02-25-2006, 02:02 PM
Lucas seemed to like TROOPS, maybe he secretly considers it canon. ;)

It wouldn't be the first time.... remember his response to "CLERKS"? (even if he got the quote wrong, he was clearly influenced by it)

Then again, the Stormtroopers may have tried to put the blame on Scorpion, of Mortal Kombat fame, just as they put the blame for the Jawa deaths on the Sandpeople.

The plot thickens...

HUGOMAND
03-04-2006, 05:50 AM
Didn't they just burn the place after they'd shot 'em?

Kurgan
03-04-2006, 05:26 PM
We may never know...

TK-8252
03-04-2006, 05:56 PM
Didn't they just burn the place after they'd shot 'em?

Yes, that's what StarWars.com says.

Kurgan
03-05-2006, 06:13 AM
Well, even if SW.com somehow was canon we can still speculate on what they shot them with and what they burned the place with! ;)

Darth_Malak02
03-06-2006, 10:12 PM
It's a good enough excuse for me, I was just wondering if I had somehow missed out on some cool Imperial weapon through all these years. :)


Actually you may have missed a cool imperial weapon...I have read in multiple sources (of EU books) that it was an imperial artillery...

Kurgan
03-07-2006, 06:24 PM
Like which sources?

Was it a vehicle? Portable device? I'm intrigued. ;)

Darth_Malak02
03-07-2006, 11:17 PM
Like which sources?

Was it a vehicle? Portable device? I'm intrigued. ;)


my sources arent very reliable...I read tales from mos eeisley cantina...and assumed it was right because there is arillery in swgb...so iassume there is in Star Wars Real Life. it sounded like a vehicle...

Kurgan
03-08-2006, 12:34 AM
Interesting. I thought the "Tales from Jabba's Palace" and "Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina" were retconned as just being the kind of wild stories you'd hear some old drunken spacers tell around the glow lamp, considering some of the stuff is contradicted by the Special Edition changes.

I don't own that particular book so I can't say that I've read the particular story in question. Can you quote any relevant passages? I also am less than familiar with SWGB, not having really checked it out since the demo... though that would be nice supporting source, even if it is a game. I'm sure the device would exist, the question is, is it what was really used on the Lars homestead...

Darth_Malak02
03-08-2006, 06:39 PM
ok...this is a quote from the book...Davin Felth's commander issues these orders...(davin felth is a stomrtrooper)

"'Floating fortress, this house needs to be left as a reminder of what happens when quarter is given to the rebels. fire when ready."


it doesn't exactly say that it is an artillery, I suppose it could be some sort of atmospheric battleship, I just assumed it was a hover artillery...

Fate's Decision
03-08-2006, 08:17 PM
!!
Perhaps there is much more to the Star Wars series than meets the eye...could this be the only clue Lucas left behind as to how Star Wars really went down? Maybe he tried to get the audience to concentrate on the petty things so they would miss the big picture...

Kurgan
03-09-2006, 02:58 AM
Why would the Stormtroopers want to make an "example" of the Lars? And how did they "give quarter" to the Rebels (I thought "give quarter" meant to spare their lives by taking them prisoner, but in this case it sounds like they're using the term "quarter" as in "quartering troops in your home")? Luke wasn't a part of the Rebellion at this point, nor was Owen, or Obi-Wan that we know of. The Stormtroopers went out of their way to make their slaughter of the Jawas look like the work of the Tusken Raiders.

Plus, with what they left behind, how would anyone know that this is what happens to Rebel "quarter-givers"? What evidence would they have that this had to be the work of the Empire?

And why would an aerial (orbital?) weapon be so weak?

This story is fishy...

TSR
03-20-2006, 06:13 AM
oh no! old peopel! call in the artillery! they'll kill us all! they smell of wee and death! burn them!!!!!

PoiuyWired
05-03-2006, 08:17 PM
what kind of sadistic stormtrooper would sit there for hours shooting a human corpse until it turned into a smoldering skeleton haha

Its fun to be Evil!

And being a Sadist is tons of fun.

Either that, or the stormies are out of rations.

I mean, those bones are picked clean, and charboiled... you don't get that skeletal look from a burning body out in the (relatively) open.

St. Jimmy
06-06-2006, 10:41 AM
Cannible Stormtroopers that didn't get to finish their meal?

Davinq
07-28-2006, 01:49 AM
Yeah, um, there were some Rebels defending the Lars' as the Stormtroopers attacked, a Bothan struck with an incinerator and missed - sort of.

Nedak
07-28-2006, 03:38 PM
Didn't they just burn the place after they'd shot 'em?

What would be the point of burning the place anyways?

TK-8252
07-28-2006, 03:41 PM
What would be the point of burning the place anyways?

To hide the evidence?

Nedak
07-28-2006, 04:03 PM
Yea thatís true. So then what would have happened is the Troopers stormed the building most likely, interrogated Uncle, and Aunt Owen, Searched the place, killed them and put their bodies right next to each other outside and burned them to make it look like an accident.

PoiuyWired
07-28-2006, 06:48 PM
Come to think of it, it might be some kind of high powered microwave gun... either that or a really friggin huge oven. (Think, a easy-bake oven and a hamster, only in a larger scale)

Nedak
07-28-2006, 07:24 PM
But then how did they get outside?

Davinq
07-29-2006, 02:49 AM
They were interrogated Daala style (muscle dystrophy) and dragged outside, where they were... *insert burn theory here*

PoiuyWired
07-29-2006, 07:23 PM
I think the only logical reason would be them getting roasted INSIDE the house, then dragged out. kinda like what you do after your food in the oven is overdone.

Otherwise its hard to have that damage done outdoors.

Either that or dewbacks actually spout fire like dragons.

MachineCult
07-29-2006, 11:10 PM
I always thought it looked like they had been trying to run away.

St. Jimmy
07-30-2006, 12:23 AM
The Stormies could have been going to move the bodies and then recieved new orders or just couldn't be bothered anymore... so left them were they had already got them to... Just another possibility.

PoiuyWired
07-30-2006, 08:50 PM
Maybe they expact the Wamp Rats (or other critters) to come and eat the roasted bodies, but Luke & Crew arrives too early.

Great Scott!
08-11-2006, 12:09 AM
R5 unit technicallyThis R2 unit has a bad motivator, look!I think Luke knows a little more about droids. :lips1:

coupes.
08-11-2006, 12:15 AM
I think Luke knows a little more about droids. :lips1:
Yet, his name is R5-D4 (http://www.starwars.com/databank/droid/r5d4/index.html).

Great Scott!
08-11-2006, 12:19 AM
I know, but in some way "R2 unit" must make sense if Luke is going to call it that...

PoiuyWired
08-11-2006, 04:01 PM
Yet, his name is R5-D4 (http://www.starwars.com/databank/droid/r5d4/index.html).


I thought he is called skippy the Jedi Droid or something XD

Dagobahn Eagle
08-11-2006, 09:07 PM
They just burned the place and them down. Plain and simple. Although I like Troops' theory:D.

Well, even if SW.com somehow was canon we can still speculate on what they shot them with and what they burned the place with!Right. Starwars.com is as inaccurate as they get.

I know, but in some way "R2 unit" must make sense if Luke is going to call it that...Luke is wrong. Plain and simple.

Great Scott!
08-12-2006, 01:32 AM
Yeah, I thought he might just be wrong, but I think he should've been R2-D4 or something just so it would've been right. But whatever.

coupes.
08-12-2006, 01:49 AM
Only Star Wars geeks can turn the smallest detail into a full blown argument :^:



...well maybe trekies too :p

Jan Gaarni
08-12-2006, 04:39 AM
And if you put those 2 together ..... :D

Total mayhem. ;)

PoiuyWired
08-12-2006, 01:59 PM
now... if you put them against each other at a con... Priceless.

Jediking12
04-29-2009, 02:03 PM
The House was on fire so they were incenirated

Blix
05-01-2009, 03:18 AM
I think a disintegration blaster is what turned Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru into KFC original recipe...

M@RS
05-01-2009, 10:12 PM
The House was on fire so they were incenirated

I think a disintegration blaster is what turned Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru into KFC original recipe...

Guys, this thread is nearly 3 years old. Let it R.I.P. :)

Mandalore The Shadow
12-17-2009, 09:57 PM
I always thought the cannon explanation was it was a thermal detonator

TKA-001
12-19-2009, 04:34 PM
To Mission Command, Imperial-class Star Destroyer Devastator,

Command, this is Sergeant Mod Terrik of 501st Legion Zeta Squadron, Desert Sands unit. We are still on the trail of the two droids which escaped from the Tantive IV. After following the tracks, we eventually discovered that the two droids we are after were found by a band of indigenous Jawas. We followed their sandcrawler and, in compliance with standard procedure for military data recovery, destroyed the vehicle and killed all of its occupants (my men assured me that they would make it looks like the indigenous Sand People were responsible for the massacre). As it turned out, however, the rebel droids had already been sold to the residents of a moisture farm in the Great Chott Salt Flats, near the Jundland Wastes.

We've staked the place out, and my men have informed me that, after conducting extensive scans, they have concluded that the two droids are not on the premises. The farmers haven't spotted us, and we are prepared to move in after we are given clearance.

Before we do so, however, I hereby request a supply drop from the Devastator. In order to complete this mission in accordance with relevant Imperial regulations, our squad is going to need some heavier ordinance.

The Imperial Military Code for handling such delicate operations as this directly states that in such a situation that we find ourselves in, "local civilians should are to be dispatched with the most brutal means available" (Chapter 9Aii, Paragraph B2741-J). As such, we are in need of a supply drop of at least three Merr-Son FX/27a flamethrowers (or "plasma rifles", as they are sometimes called), plus a crate of high-grade thermal explosives. While I am aware that my squad members do carry one thermal detonator each, they are not sufficient to complete the designated operation, which requires that "any structures within sight of the central target are to be razed to the ground, if possible" (Paragraph B2741-K). Our relatively weaker thermal grenades will not be able to accomplish this task, even at their highest-yield settings.

While I suppose we can get by on the razing requirement with improvised explosive devices (IEDs), I must stress here that the flamethrowers are mandatory. It is "absolutely necessary" that all civilian targets are to be dispatched "with enough force to remove or vaporize most or all of the skin and muscles on their bodies", or to "reduce them to an entirely unrecognizable state," on the grounds that such measures are "totally ****ing badass" (Paragraph B2741-Lvii). The flamethrowers are the most efficient means by which this can be effected (I understand the new Incinerator trooper corps. was formed for this exact purpose). While we can produce similar results with our standard infantry weapons, I believe that it would be an unsightly waste of ammunition. Although some soldiers would think that simply shooting the targets would be enough, Imperial Protocol (Paragraph B2740-A) specifically determines such methods to be "for pussies." We therefore cannot shirk on this regulation in the name of expediency, sir.

Again, the explosives are not entirely necessary, but the flamethrowers are mandatory. I do not know why we were not issued this equipment when we landed, but I suppose it is of no matter. Whatever the reason, it is imperative that the supply drop is made ASAP so we can continue with our mission.

Signed,
Sergeant Mod Terrik, Zeta Squadron Commanding Officer
Desert Sands Environmental Unit, 501st Stormtrooper Legion

Mandalore The Shadow
12-20-2009, 09:05 AM
Where did you get this?

TKA-001
12-21-2009, 07:20 PM
Are you talking to me? If so, I wrote it myself.

Mandalore The Shadow
12-23-2009, 05:32 PM
Yeah I was and that's cool then

Lord B@nE
12-02-2013, 02:04 PM
Seeing Lars and his wife owned a moister farm the storm troopers could of exploded one of them pressure guages which prolly was under alot of pressure to collect water and something made the entire place to combust. Something i was pondering myself aswell

Obi-Wan Bologna
12-11-2013, 12:30 PM
I thought I saw an explanation somewhere recently that said it was Boba Fett who did the job. "No desentagration"

Lord B@nE
12-17-2013, 03:41 PM
that was pretty elaborate and i feel the darkside within you

Kurgan
12-21-2013, 01:07 PM
As we're speculating on how it happened, the out-of-universe reason is that Lucas wanted his movie to be taken "seriously" as sci-fi action and not just a "kiddie" flick, so he threw in some burning skeletons to guarentee a "PG" rating (no PG-13 existed at the time). Skeletons are cheaper to pull off convincingly than gore makeup and say "atrocity" pretty easily to show the Empire as evil.

PLUS, he was going for another film homage to "The Searchers" (a classic John Ford western he referenced again in Episode II as Anakin massacres the Tuskens). Lots of people know that Lucas was inspired by Kurosawa and WWII movies, but they're not the only sources for "Star Wars."