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Shem
10-17-2005, 02:24 PM
If they finally decide to make KOTOR III, I hope they do something different with the robe option. I loved how the TSL style Jedi robes came into play. However, I think it's time to move up a notch.

I believe that the robes should come in two parts. The torso option is the inner robe, and for the head gear option should be the hood & cape. That way you can also mix the different colors anyway you want. That way you have the option whether or not you want to wear the hooded robe, and that way you can combine the different colors in ways that will fill the individual person's style.

chaleur
10-17-2005, 04:07 PM
That's very cool, and it'd be a pretty simle way to improve things without costing a whole lot of engine redevelopment. It's taking the existing system, and making it work better, which is IMHO, exactly the sort of thing they should be doing.

I'd still like to see them improve the cloth, but only because I'm very bad.

I've yet to see a cloth sim in a game that impressed me greatly. It could happen with the next gen consoles, but I don't think it will with the first wave of games. It'll take time for R&D to catch up to the hardware, though less for the XBox, than for the PS3(1).

We're still going to be faking it for some time to come. There were 0 cloth papers at SIGGRAPH (http://www.cs.brown.edu/~tor/sig2005.html) and Eurographics (http://myweb.hinet.net/home7/hks/Papers2005/eg2005Papers.htm) this year. That really says something about the state of things.

I would definitely not like to see them spend too much time on engine development -- it's going to take away from time they could be spending on the story. If they just port the engine to the 360 with little or no changes, we won't see any of next gen advantages in the game, but we'll probably get a better story. Conversely, maybe we could get a cloth sim good enough deal with cloth intersections with geometry (it's not THAT hard, and I really got tired of Atton's robe sticking through the back of his chair), but it might take away from the story.

I guess we'll see what they do.

(1) Not intending to start a console war here. They both have their advantages and disadvantages, but the PS3 is farther from conventional architectures, and is going to take more R&D (and probably more misses) before it finds its killer app. I suspect that killer app will blow us all away when it does happen, though :). In any case, looking forward to the process.

RobQel-Droma
10-17-2005, 06:46 PM
That would be really cool. In the movies each set of robes are different and based on what the wearer wants. If you could have some way to wear a hooded robe, and then take that hood off when you wanted to, like some option on the clothes image, then you could do all kinds of things. You could just wear the robes/tunics, or you could wear the full flowing robe.

I hope that you can customize them in everything. Color, underlay, overlay, material, special parts of it that could give you regenerative ability, types of upgrades that give you more strength; stuff that makes the robes your own personal Jedi Armor, yet light and not force-power-restricting.

ForceFightWMe12
10-17-2005, 07:23 PM
Yeah, like custome Jedi-robes, tailored to fit the PC. That would be really cool.

fresnosmokey02
10-17-2005, 08:22 PM
I am not sure I like the idea of many parts robes (or armor or whatever). Right now I am playing Neverwinter Nights. All items have several parts. For instance a simple sword has three parts. I can see where it could make it pretty difficult for us modders. Something like that may have to end up like NWN where you have to mod the module in order to mod the item. There is no simple extration tool. like Fred Tetras KOTOR Tool, for the particular files say .UTI and .GUI and change them around and stuff them into your override folder and *POOF* you have a new item (Fred Tetra Help Me! LOL). I realize that it would make it more interesting for console users, but us PC users/modders are an important consideration also.

lukeiamyourdad
10-17-2005, 10:23 PM
PC modders are an important consideration also.


*Corrected.

It affects mostly you. I understand that it might mean less mods for PC but that doesn't mean PC users, in general, are instantly penalized. A lot of PC KotOR players don't use mods and never have.

Manny C
10-18-2005, 02:14 AM
nah you need to be able to wear the hood and a mask, like revan. They gotta make it a simple way of doing it tho. If they overdo it, it will end up like the weapon creation system in TSL.

fresnosmokey02
10-18-2005, 02:25 AM
*Corrected.

It affects mostly you. I understand that it might mean less mods for PC but that doesn't mean PC users, in general, are instantly penalized. A lot of PC KotOR players don't use mods and never have.

*Correction

While it would affect me, it doesn't mostly affect me. I am just one person. There is a whole modding community out there.

RedHawke
10-18-2005, 03:00 AM
Honestly I don't really care about the robes and items, they could stay as-is and I would have no problems...

They need to focus on making a complete storyline, many play options, including say differing LS and DS storylines, fully fleshed out NPC's who are interesting to speak to and have more of them than availalble slots so you cannot recruit all of them in one or two games, and all the other play and replay factors of the game first, before adding such eyecandy as customisable robes and sabers, is really low on the wanted list for me.

While I like the idea, it just would take the back seat priority wise.

Ztalker
10-18-2005, 05:51 AM
I already posted this @ Mini games ideas, and fully agree.

We should be able to make a layer of leather over robes, like Anakin in ep 2, of make it hooded etc. It would also be nice if you could change colour etc.

Manny C
10-18-2005, 08:00 AM
amen to that RedHawke, story and depth first. However, its subtleties like robe customization and so on that gives a game like KOTOR its polish

Prime
10-18-2005, 09:07 AM
I can see where it could make it pretty difficult for us modders.But to a large extent this kind of thing is the sort of mod people want to make. If there are more options like this were the player can get what they want, then there is less need to mod, which is a good thing IMO.

Vibro
10-18-2005, 09:21 AM
This sounds like a great idea. The robes in K2 were a massive improvement on the K1 robes to be fair though.

lukeiamyourdad
10-18-2005, 09:50 AM
While it would affect me, it doesn't mostly affect me. I am just one person. There is a whole modding community out there.

The "you" referred to modders.

I'll dare say that modders represent about 5% of every KotOR player, from casual to hardcore.

MdKnightR
10-18-2005, 01:12 PM
I fully agree with RedHawke. Story first! I would like to see the robes this customizable, but only after the more important things are accomplished first.

JediMaster12
10-21-2005, 06:15 PM
[QUOTE=RedHawke]Honestly I don't really care about the robes and items, they could stay as-is and I would have no problems...

They need to focus on making a complete storyline, many play options, including say differing LS and DS storylines, fully fleshed out NPC's who are interesting to speak to and have more of them than availalble slots so you cannot recruit all of them in one or two games, and all the other play and replay factors of the game first, before adding such eyecandy as customisable robes and sabers, is really low on the wanted list for me.

QUOTE]

I agree but to some extent I would like to see robes that better reflect what you see in the original movies. TSL came close to it but I agree on a complete story plot that differs from the gameplay of KOTOR and TSL. :racer: :syoda:

Achilles
10-21-2005, 08:16 PM
My only concern with the robe will be realism. And I don't mean better meshes or higher res textures but consistent folds and overlapping pieces of cloth. The tabbard-like drape on the padawan robes in TSL was cool, but where in the hell did they come from. And why did left overlap right above the belt, but vice versa below the belt? The master robes weren't much better, and don't even get me started on the K1 robes. If they want to improve the robes in K3, they could start by using a reference.

Aleggy
10-22-2005, 06:41 PM
ok im no modder and i dont pretend to be but achilles yopur idea has inspired me to make a suggestion about the robes ok now bear with me on this, i am sure everyone here has played kotor1 well in that game and i think it was also available in tsl there was a mandorlorian armour that covered you from head to toe helmet and all now cross that idea with a robe and mask and you could be onto a winner but i could also be very embarrissingly wrong

however all this arguing reminds me of something mark hammil said in the documentory 'empire of dreams' aparently in the making of star wars a memo went out from fox (i think) because they were worried about the fact that the wookie had no pants

of all the things to be worried about lol

my point being yes achilles i agree realistic robes would be nice, but if they spend to much time on that than the actual gameplay and plot then i'm sure you know exactly were the devs can stick their robes lol

Jeff
10-22-2005, 09:50 PM
I think it's a pretty good idea, but they have to make it easy to do or people will get sick of it.

And I agree with Achilles, they should just look at some references from the movie robes for starters. I love how they do the movie robes and don't know why they just don't do that for the game.

Achilles
10-23-2005, 12:57 AM
my point being yes achilles i agree realistic robes would be nice, but if they spend to much time on that than the actual gameplay and plot then i'm sure you know exactly were the devs can stick their robes lol*shrug* They have to skin the robes anyway. It's not like it's going to take them that much time to do it right.

Shem
10-25-2005, 04:05 AM
My only concern with the robe will be realism. And I don't mean better meshes or higher res textures but consistent folds and overlapping pieces of cloth. The tabbard-like drape on the padawan robes in TSL was cool, but where in the hell did they come from. And why did left overlap right above the belt, but vice versa below the belt? The master robes weren't much better, and don't even get me started on the K1 robes. If they want to improve the robes in K3, they could start by using a reference.

I agree that the KotOR robes were awful. I did like the TSL robes. Yes they looked different than in the movies, but it was 4,000 years before the Star Wars Saga. Styles of clothes would be changing all the time. Especially over the next 4,000 years.

SITHSLAYER133
10-25-2005, 05:58 AM
i reckon that you should be able to conceal your face with a hood that would be cool cause itt would make you look mysterous

Prime
10-25-2005, 10:57 AM
There is a mod for TSL that does that reasonably well already...

http://warpedproductions.echonetwork.net/screenshots/hoods.jpg

Achilles
10-25-2005, 11:17 AM
I agree that the KotOR robes were awful. I did like the TSL robes. Yes they looked different than in the movies, but it was 4,000 years before the Star Wars Saga. Styles of clothes would be changing all the time. Especially over the next 4,000 years.Did you even read my post? Where did mention the movies or the movie robes?

Shem
10-25-2005, 01:32 PM
Did you even read my post? Where did mention the movies or the movie robes?

I sure did. Let me quote some things by you that suggest you are talking about the movies.


My only concern with the robe will be realism.

What do you think that tells me?


And I don't mean better meshes or higher res textures but consistent folds and overlapping pieces of cloth. The tabbard-like drape on the padawan robes in TSL was cool, but where in the hell did they come from. And why did left overlap right above the belt, but vice versa below the belt? The master robes weren't much better

What are you basing this off of if it isn't from the movies?

Achilles
10-25-2005, 09:46 PM
Err...how about the robes from the game :eyeraise:
How in the heck you made that leap is beyond me.

Yes, my concern is realism; cloth that is skinned to behave like it would in the physical universe. Realism. Spend some time actually looking at the textures and look for the things I pointed out in my post. I'll provide a visual aid to help you.

EDIT: Thought I posted this link...sry

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=robes2hw.jpg

RedHawke
10-26-2005, 03:28 AM
http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=robes2hw.jpg
Oh man, that is messed up! How I missed that before is beyond me... ;)

Shem
10-26-2005, 04:00 AM
Err...how about the robes from the game :eyeraise:
How in the heck you made that leap is beyond me.

Yes, my concern is realism; cloth that is skinned to behave like it would in the physical universe. Realism. Spend some time actually looking at the textures and look for the things I pointed out in my post. I'll provide a visual aid to help you.

EDIT: Thought I posted this link...sry

http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=robes2hw.jpg


Now that is more clear to me to where you are coming from. That way I know what you are comparing it to. I appreciate that. Anyway, be careful in the future how you approach people. Some may not be as nice as I am. Saying stuff like, "Did you even read me post" is very insulting and stirs up angry and bitter feelings. Not just by the person who feels insulted, but others who read it and feel the negativity. All this over a misunderstanding. Is it really worth it? What good can come out of it? That is not needed here or any place. Try to keep it friendly, and that way people who browse feel this is a helpful and warm place to be apart of, not a place to feel discouraged.

Achilles
10-26-2005, 10:49 AM
Oh man, that is messed up! How I missed that before is beyond me... ;)Yeah, now go back and look at the Master robes :D

Whomever skinned the Onderonian clothing should have been put in charge of all the clothing textures in the game...

@JediShemL: You know what happens when you assume right? You make an "ass" out of "u" and "me". I can't be held responsible for your leaps in logic. Glad to hear pictures helped.

Shem
10-26-2005, 01:43 PM
I can't be held responsible for your leaps in logic.

True. But you can help see where you are coming from. Like say, "I think you misunderstood me. This is what I meant..." ;)

RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 02:22 PM
I hope they do make it realistic, I liked the look of the TSL robes, but looking at the pic Achilles provided, there are several problems. I would like it if there are certain ranks of robes that you get as a Jedi at the beginning; However, along the way, you get to build your own robe s that can only be worn by you. Kind of like the Star Forge/Revan's robes, but you actually make them yourself.

Achilles
10-26-2005, 08:45 PM
True. But you can help see where you are coming from. Like say, "I think you misunderstood me. This is what I meant..." ;)Yeah and you could have said "Excuse me Achilles, I'm not exactly sure what you are referencing. Could you please clarify?". So, is this there going to a point to this conversation or can we drop it now? This is sure to be deleted by the mods at some point, so feel free to reply via PM.


I hope they do make it realistic, I liked the look of the TSL robes, but looking at the pic Achilles provided, there are several problems. I would like it if there are certain ranks of robes that you get as a Jedi at the beginning; However, along the way, you get to build your own robe s that can only be worn by you. Kind of like the Star Forge/Revan's robes, but you actually make them yourself. Understanding that there are model limitations, I'd like to see more visual representation of the of the various upgrades. Along the lines of your ranking suggestion, maybe have it to where the outer robe is wearable by masters and knights, but padawans are stuck with the basic garment, etc.

RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 10:10 PM
^^^^
Yeah, the padawans would have just a little 1+ defence robe that was little more than the K1 tunic, not necesarily in look, but in layers. Then, as you progressed, you would be able to get more layers and a bit more complicated robes. Perhaps add head and cold resistance, after all, they are supposed to guard against harsh weather.

FiEND_138
10-27-2005, 07:36 AM
While I like the idea, it just would take the back seat priority wise.
Agrees with Hawke as usual. I'm more interested in a complete story than playing 'Jedi Dress up'.

I'm not saying the ideas should be trashed, their just on the very bottom of the list.

marvidchano
10-28-2005, 08:20 AM
If they finally decide to make KOTOR III, I hope they do something different with the robe option. I loved how the TSL style Jedi robes came into play. However, I think it's time to move up a notch.

I believe that the robes should come in two parts. The torso option is the inner robe, and for the head gear option should be the hood & cape. That way you can also mix the different colors anyway you want. That way you have the option whether or not you want to wear the hooded robe, and that way you can combine the different colors in ways that will fill the individual person's style.
yea that would be wicked being a sith with sith robes (black) and witht he black hood up, you'd look so menacing!

RobQel-Droma
10-28-2005, 10:34 AM
I agree with you all. I think that the idea should go in the back seat, along with some other features in other threads that would be really good, but keep them back. Spend a LOT of time on the story and gameplay! I don't really care if they take a long time, just make it good; I wouldn't mind if I got to play a game three years or more later that was super good. After that, then take some more time to put all the extra stuff in! If this is going to be the finisher of the KotOR series, then they have to make it good. If not, well, it wouldn't be good to have two not-so-great ones in a row anyways, so either way- spend some time on it!

Samurai DD
10-29-2005, 09:32 PM
Better animations for robes would be great. And the color combinations would sure be neat. And Ive always wanted the option to use hoods.

JediMaster12
11-11-2005, 01:45 PM
I'll just come right out and say it: THE ROBES FROM TSL WERE BETTER THAN KOTOR AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF FOLDS IN THE ROBES!!!

What I think they should do is boost the stats on basic padawan robes and maybe upgradeable. The TSL robes looked more like Jedi robes and they shoud stick with that in KOTOR 3. The option to put the hood up is a good one, could add to maybe disappearing into crowds or somehting.

RobQel-Droma
11-11-2005, 02:13 PM
Well, it was kind of noticable the unrealisticness of the robes and all the problems with parts of the robes coming out of nowhere. But first of all, it is not that big of a deal. I actually like the K1 robes, they could do with some improvement, but they were ok. Of course, the TSL robes are WAY better and more Jedi looking.

As for upgrades, I think that the padawan robes should pretty much be almost the thin tunics from K1, except a little bit more like real Jedi robes. That is all a padawan would probably have, anyways. And have Jedi robes that are from different planets, or academies/enclaves that are a different style. The "rank" robes would be a little bit different depending on where they are from. And have robes that are from certain force-using groups. And have robes for different ranks (Jedi Knight Robe from somewhere, then Jedi Master robe from somewhere), and then for the different classes. That would be nice.

Amor
11-11-2005, 04:20 PM
If they finally decide to make KOTOR III, I hope they do something different with the robe option. I loved how the TSL style Jedi robes came into play. However, I think it's time to move up a notch.

I believe that the robes should come in two parts. The torso option is the inner robe, and for the head gear option should be the hood & cape. That way you can also mix the different colors anyway you want. That way you have the option whether or not you want to wear the hooded robe, and that way you can combine the different colors in ways that will fill the individual person's style.

Couldn't agree more... I've missed hooded Jedi robes since the release of KotOR1. And the color combine idea is great too.

Axe Windu
11-11-2005, 04:25 PM
I want robes that are hooded... and there is an option that when you enter combat you take it off. Like when Obiwon jumped into battle with Greivous first he removed the hood. I think the robes in TSL were a great improvement on kotor but yeah lets do it again. Also the thing that upset me about the darkside robes in the second game was I couldnt get just a strait black robe. Thats what I wanted. I always had like a red or white undershirt or something. So yeah clothes then the outer robe interchangable colors better cloth look and perhaps the hood comes off in combat. Cooler masks and cooler armor robes would be awesome too.

darth_yanstrol
11-14-2005, 09:40 AM
I would love it if in Kotor 3 you could have hooded robes like Anakin or Obi wan, or Palpatine, it's cool walking around with your face hidden. Another cool idea could be that you could shed your heavy robes when engaging in an intense lightsaber battle and just wear a tunic like in Kotor 1, you would be alot more agile and it's really old fashioned.

JediMaster12
11-21-2005, 07:13 PM
As for upgrades, I think that the padawan robes should pretty much be almost the thin tunics from K1, except a little bit more like real Jedi robes. That is all a padawan would probably have, anyways. And have Jedi robes that are from different planets, or academies/enclaves that are a different style. The "rank" robes would be a little bit different depending on where they are from. And have robes that are from certain force-using groups. And have robes for different ranks (Jedi Knight Robe from somewhere, then Jedi Master robe from somewhere), and then for the different classes. That would be nice.

That is a good suggestion. You should be on the crew that puts this thing together.

Liit Orda
11-30-2005, 09:10 AM
Yeah that's a damn good idea. That way you could add customisations too like war robes would have armour and ceremonial robes etc. It could even help with influence, like turning up to the council dressed in an old torn robe could put you down and turning up dressed nicely could put you up.

More RPG features maybe?

JediMaster12
11-30-2005, 07:55 PM
I just thought of something. Since the Jedi Academy was destroyed in KOTOR1 wouldn't there be only one set of robes, for the High Order on Coruscant if Lucas Arts does a suggestion like this?

JediKillaSA
12-03-2005, 09:54 AM
Awesome idea. I would like to see more unique combinations of armour and headgear. Also some boot items would be cool.

JediMaster12
12-05-2005, 12:16 PM
"Do not assume anything. Clear your mind must be."

Though it is a good suggestion to see a different style of robes, if possible.

Ztalker
12-07-2005, 02:25 PM
I think Robes should be creatable by workbench.
Just pick your colour, then add layers, like a hood or leather vest like Anakin had.
And, throwing your mantle away before battle would indeed by awesome ^^

Vladimir-Vlada
12-07-2005, 02:27 PM
An armour with a cloack would be nice as well.

JediMaster12
12-07-2005, 05:11 PM
yeah and they should look like real Jedi robes

Clone L68362
12-07-2005, 06:57 PM
I think they had the right idea for the robes in K2, and some robe models in K1 (Check out the light side ending, three Jedi behind Vandar are wearing funky robes) but like Achilles pointed out they need to fix them. They do look funny to me now :)

RedHawke
12-08-2005, 01:33 AM
Get ready to pass out Vlad...

An armour with a cloack would be nice as well.
I agree with you Vlad, an Armored Robes option would be quite nice, especially for playing a Jedi Guardian type.

Ztalker
12-08-2005, 06:31 AM
Yeah, i've seen some concept art of SW Episode 3, and some of them wear batlle armors with robes, like Obi-Wan did...

it would be great indeed ^^

Cygnus Q'ol
12-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Where does it say that you have to take away from the story to have upgraded clothing?

I'd love to be able to have choices and upgradeable/changeable robes, hoods, armour and other wearable items.

Why should the storyline suffer?
A good written story is a good written story, whether you're wearing robes or pajamas.

It's up to the devs to provide a game that exceeds the previous. It's their job to do everything necessary to accomplish this. If they can't, then get someone who can. This is Lucasworld. Anything is possible.

RobQel-Droma
12-08-2005, 01:34 PM
^If anything is possible, then so is making robes like this. Man, what exactly do you actually want to spend time on, besides "the storyline"? :rolleyes: Cygnus, dude, why have you all of a sudden started thinking that any idea that doesn't have anything to do with the storyline will detract from it? :xp: Lighten up.

If they are given enough time, which I think they will, they will have time for this. Let me ask you something: Where did we say that this would take away from the story, or that we wan't this to take first priority? It won't, it is just another nice "touch" that we think would be good if it was added.

Cygnus Q'ol
12-08-2005, 02:20 PM
Honestly I don't really care about the robes and items, they could stay as-is and I would have no problems...

They need to focus on making a complete storyline, many play options, including say differing LS and DS storylines, fully fleshed out NPC's who are interesting to speak to and have more of them than availalble slots so you cannot recruit all of them in one or two games, and all the other play and replay factors of the game first, before adding such eyecandy as customisable robes and sabers, is really low on the wanted list for me.

While I like the idea, it just would take the back seat priority wise.

Hmmmmmmmm...

Cygnus Q'ol
12-08-2005, 02:27 PM
^If anything is possible, then so is making robes like this. Man, what exactly do you actually want to spend time on, besides "the storyline"? :rolleyes: Cygnus, dude, why have you all of a sudden started thinking that any idea that doesn't have anything to do with the storyline will detract from it? :xp: Lighten up.

If they are given enough time, which I think they will, they will have time for this. Let me ask you something: Where did we say that this would take away from the story, or that we wan't this to take first priority? It won't, it is just another nice "touch" that we think would be good if it was added.

If you read closely, you'll see that I agree with you. Anything is possible. Upgraded robes, weapons, and other items, AND a great storyline.

...and it isn't just possible, it's essential to the success of K3.

RobQel-Droma
12-08-2005, 02:27 PM
If you notice, Redhawke doesn't say anything about not having the idea, he just says that it shouldn't take first priority. Which is what I said. And what does that have to do with my earlier post?

Cygnus Q'ol
12-08-2005, 02:32 PM
My point is that there shouldn't be a problem with the devs implementing the ideas that were disscussed and writing a great story.

I would like the story to be better than TSL, but, improvements in modifications with usable and wearable items are neccessary for a better game than TSL.

Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I meant no offense.

RobQel-Droma
12-08-2005, 10:53 PM
^ I guess I misunderstood you, then. Sorry :dozey:. I thought you were saying that the storyline would have to suffer if they did something like this for the game, and that they shouldn't try to do this because they should work on the storyline. I just didn't understand you right.

Shem
12-09-2005, 02:07 AM
While I agree that the storyline should come first, I hope that this thread sticks to the robe option idea rather a thread that is focused on both. If the storyline is your concern, there should be threads on it.

The armor robe idea for guardian type PC's is a good idea. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Clone War cartoons.

Ztalker
12-09-2005, 10:31 AM
By the way,

I only think custom robes will increase the story intensity.
The best games/movies are about being someone, and identify yourself with the character you play. Chosing your own lightsaber colour is a start, chosing your alignment is cool, making your own robes will Pwn the world.

All i mean to say is, if you can identify yourself more with the PC, the gameplay will be cooler. That's the biggest power of Kotor, aye? You turning from no-one to someone.

RobQel-Droma
12-09-2005, 10:48 AM
^Exactly. Being who you want to be, pretty much. All the saber colors, robes, robe colors, saber hilt, and crystals all make up who you are in the game. Half the time, I am choosing not so much what is the best, occasionally just what I like. For instance, instead of wearing the Zeison Sha armor, which has some other color (can't remember), once I got the Jal Shey Neophyte armor I wore that, because it was green, even though it wasn't actually as good as the Zeison Sha armor.

marvidchano
12-09-2005, 11:00 AM
Better animations for robes would be great. And the color combinations would sure be neat. And Ive always wanted the option to use hoods.
yea same here

JediMaster12
12-10-2005, 11:45 AM
By the way,

I only think custom robes will increase the story intensity.
The best games/movies are about being someone, and identify yourself with the character you play. Chosing your own lightsaber colour is a start, chosing your alignment is cool, making your own robes will Pwn the world.

All i mean to say is, if you can identify yourself more with the PC, the gameplay will be cooler. That's the biggest power of Kotor, aye? You turning from no-one to someone.

YES!!! Sometimes I tend to get carried away when playing the game and refer the PC as a real thing. But having custom robes to reflect the world the PC comes from would only make the story cooler. It would reflect the personality of the PC and any Jedi NPCs you have in your party. This is kind of like what Darth Windu suggested in another thread about how party members react to the clothing you wear. Interesting no?

Darca Lar
12-17-2005, 07:01 PM
yea same here
yea, but i think there shoudln't be that wide of a range in robe colors, maybe just like red, different shades of the usual jedi brown, gray, and the usual sith black

Samurai DD
01-03-2006, 12:49 PM
Viva la customization! It could be like in Guild Wars (yep, I'm an MMO freak, lol) where you got your items and stuff, but in the game itself you can find/buy dyes for customization of items. That tould be cool for KotOR III, in II we could customize our items, but it was too limiting, just some options, and they did not change the look of the objects. Plus, having more clothing slots would be cool, for combining things. IE:

Chest = Jedi Clothes
Legs = Soldier's Pants
Overall = Sith Robe
Gloves, Boots, etc.

And all of te items should be fully customizable both in looks and functionality (like in II) through items bought and found.

PD: Post 200!

Gray_Master
01-04-2006, 10:09 AM
Wow, some really great ideas here.

I love the idea of wearing a tunic and than robs over it so you can get a more "me" look

Love the hood idea, I like it for my Sith Assassin but anyway.

Armor with cape..may I remind all that this story is taking place soon after the Sith wars (Lead by Exar Kun) and if anyone has read those storys you'll know that A LOT of jedis used armor with capes...they also looked extremly cool. So one big fat YES right here

Not to throw my idea in here but it is relavent...being so limited on foce powers with armor is stupid..I mean I won't even think of using armor because 1: it does look bad without a cape and 2: you can't use the best force powers....so I think they should add 1 more feat for jedi the "Force Power Armor" feat...at lvl one you can use lvl 1 of all force powers you could not use before..lvl 2 allows all lvl 2 powers 3 allows lvl 3...that way you can use force powers with armor...you just need to earn it..ohh look..I rambled

Samurai DD
01-04-2006, 10:59 AM
Not to throw my idea in here but it is relavent...being so limited on foce powers with armor is stupid..I mean I won't even think of using armor because 1: it does look bad without a cape and 2: you can't use the best force powers....so I think they should add 1 more feat for jedi the "Force Power Armor" feat...at lvl one you can use lvl 1 of all force powers you could not use before..lvl 2 allows all lvl 2 powers 3 allows lvl 3...that way you can use force powers with armor...you just need to earn it..ohh look..I rambled

Kudos! Not being able to use the Force while in armor is a reasonable statement, but it is very extreme sometimes. Just some oher ideas:

- Limit it to 2 of the three classes. Imagine, a Consular with armor and his powers would be invincible.

- I suppose you mean it, but, if for example, we have at lvl 3 the 2nd power of a series, and have the "Force Armor Supress" ability, we will be able to use the first power in the series, which is less powerful, of course.

- And maybe restrict some powers even with the supress, there are a few way too powerful to be combined with armor, IE: the Force protection powers.

Remember: Balance is the key! I hope they do implement this idea, but try it over and over until it is not underpowered or overpowered.

marvidchano
01-04-2006, 11:22 AM
I agree that the KotOR robes were awful. I did like the TSL robes. Yes they looked different than in the movies, but it was 4,000 years before the Star Wars Saga. Styles of clothes would be changing all the time. Especially over the next 4,000 years.
true but it was like someone puttin glue all over u and then stickin robes onto u! they were literally stuck to u

Darth InSidious
01-04-2006, 01:08 PM
Less complex idea: you hit a key, the hood goes up or down.

Samurai DD
01-04-2006, 03:33 PM
Less complex idea: you hit a key, the hood goes up or down.

Yep, that is perfect for me. Simple and fast. No BS, just "I want my hood up or I want it down."

Ransom
01-04-2006, 07:42 PM
i think when u are a dark jedi u should be able to create your own dark robe most dark lords have created there own robes like revan or Darth Vader

Darth InSidious
01-04-2006, 07:46 PM
I like the K1 robes. At first I thought they were awful, but over time I've grown rather fond of them, myself...I would like to see some in III, though not on all Jedi/Sith...

Prime
01-05-2006, 10:29 AM
I like the K1 robes. At first I thought they were awful, but over time I've grown rather fond of them, myself...I would like to see some in III, though not on all Jedi/Sith...It would be nice to have them as an option at least.

RobQel-Droma
01-05-2006, 06:10 PM
I would like it if that was what the padawan robes were, except a bit more like the TSL robes. Like some of the robes in TSL, except without the cloak or whatever. Those could be what the Jedi Padawan robes would be, mostly just the tunic.

Achilles
01-05-2006, 06:31 PM
^^^^
I really like that idea! :)

Jae Onasi
01-05-2006, 09:18 PM
I would like it if that was what the padawan robes were, except a bit more like the TSL robes. Like some of the robes in TSL, except without the cloak or whatever. Those could be what the Jedi Padawan robes would be, mostly just the tunic.

This could be cool-looking. I also like the idea of increasing level gives access to more robe parts. I'd like to see a few more types of Jedi armor, too. It wouldn't kill me if they didn't have a lot of fancy robes/armor, but I think it'd add to the atmosphere to have at least some options.