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Revan Skywalker
10-20-2005, 09:39 PM
What do you think will happen?

Achilles
10-20-2005, 11:01 PM
I think that you'll be one of the "new" Jedi, sent to the Unknown Region to determine the fate of Revan. You'll be given T3 (and maybe HK) as well as the Ebon Hawk and sent off with (crosses fingers) a talented, but untested Padawan.

You'll have to travel to various planets to complete your training and unravel the mysteries of where Revan went and what he/she encountered. You'll build your party, find the True Sith and...your guess is as good as mine from there.

The thing that we know for sure is that the Ebon Hawk has a record of Revan's travels and T3 is the only one that can unlock them. Speculation re: the return of the EH and T3 are just silly if you ask me. That ship and that droid will be back for sure. I'll put money on HK's return as well.

RedHawke
10-21-2005, 01:20 AM
^^^^
I'm with you Achilles! :D

Though I'm pretty sure we will see Mr. Ordo again as well, though unlikely as an NPC. I figure possibly we'll have to do a quest or two for him. ;)

Achilles
10-21-2005, 02:58 AM
Possible, but I have a feeling that he will be dead in the K3 timeline. It'd be great if they brought Mandalore back, but...well, you know what I mean by that.

I'm guessing that we'll see a fledgling Jedi Order on the cusp of reestablishing it's presence in the Galaxy after the events of the first two games (i.e. 10-15 years after TSL). I'm hoping that we'll see more of Kreia ala Obi-wan in ESB. Maybe unlocking the astrogation system will kick loose some more holovids with Bastila and Carth in them, but then again, maybe not.

RedHawke
10-21-2005, 04:30 AM
I see we are of like minds on the 10-15 years after TSL, and having a fledgeling Jedi Order for the start of KIII. I kind of took the reasons you could easily make the NPC's in TSL into Jedi and them dissappearing at the end of TSL was to make this possible for KIII. I even remember Krea mentioning that they were the new Jedi, or something like that.

But I am also thinking that the unlocking of the Hawk's astrogation system will be part of the Main quest in KIII. If you think about it searching for a way to do this is a great way to start the game off for our new PC. Then by unlocking the astrogation system it will lead us to the actual Main quest to find out what Revan knew that led to the Jedi Civil war.

Achilles
10-21-2005, 04:55 AM
Well, I want to keep an open mind about things, but I have to admit that I'll be kinda disappointed if they bring back any of the main NPCs from TSL (except Kreia and the aforementioned droids). Too much baggage can quickly weigh the story down. However if the devs can find a graceful way to do it, then good on them.

I kinda like where you're going with the astrogation system. I was thinking they might do something Peragus like with the EH, but I suppose they could make it gradual. My only concern there is making the game too linear. I hope they learned their lesson from TSL and make things slightly more open.

Revan Skywalker
10-21-2005, 10:40 AM
Maybe Bao-Dur can die. Kreia did say she could not see his future. May the Force guide you!

chaleur
10-21-2005, 03:33 PM
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Shem
10-21-2005, 04:41 PM
I like the idea of Bastila returning as a party member to help you find Revan.

It really doesn't matter whether or not Revan was light or dark at the end of KOTOR because in TSL, Bastila is still obsessed with finding out what happened to Revan and where Revan is.

The only problem I can see is that in the scenario TSL, if you chose that Revan was light and female, it is assumed that Bastila was killed on the Star Forge. However, I'm sure it could be worked around like making her a party member if somehow your NPC chooses that Revan was male, light or dark, or Revan is female, dark. If Bastila is assumed dead, then someone else joins instead down the road. It would be just like in TSL whether or not either Brianna, or Mical joins. That goes for Mira or Hanharr situation. Just depends on what is established.

Just the idea of Bastila joining assumming she is still alive would make sense since she is desperate to find Revan.

RobQel-Droma
10-21-2005, 05:21 PM
I think that Bastila should make a reappearance, be you master even if she is alive. She could probably be obsessed with finding Revan as you said and struggle with the Jedi and the Dark Side, because of her love for him since she wants to find him. Maybe she could be on the council, but have some sort of disobedience to the order by going and looking for him with you, if you choose.

The Doctor
10-21-2005, 05:50 PM
Maybe Bao-Dur can die. Kreia did say she could not see his future. May the Force guide you!
YES! HE SHOULD DIE A PAINFUL DEATH!

Anyway, I think you should be sent on a mission by the Jedi council to find Revan, but when you do he's dead.

Achilles
10-21-2005, 08:22 PM
*rolls eyes* Of course Revan will be dead. Otherwise the devs would have to put in gender and alignment checks again, plus they would have to figure out what "the real" Revan looks like. I figured that would have been painfully obvious to everyone.

As for Bastila, it would be cool to see another cameo, but as I stated earlier, it will be a holovid just like TSL.

Edited for gramatical errors.

Vladimir-Vlada
10-21-2005, 09:09 PM
Of course Revan will be dead.
WHAT?!?!?! That's going to happen!?

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RobQel-Droma
10-21-2005, 10:23 PM
Sorry, Achilles, but I don't agree with that. The guy I played back in K1 is dead? I think that you should have a reunion, with everybody there. Not to say that someone shouldn't die, I think it would be a nice addition if Carth died fighting, or somebody else, to finish the series off. Of course, Revan could die at the end, too, but I want to meet him, not just find him like Vash.

Vladimir-Vlada
10-21-2005, 10:37 PM
Sorry, Achilles, but I don't agree with that. The guy I played back in K1 is dead? I think that you should have a reunion, with everybody there. Not to say that someone shouldn't die, I think it would be a nice addition if Carth died fighting, or somebody else, to finish the series off. Of course, Revan could die at the end, too, but I want to meet him, not just find him like Vash.
Thank you for sharing my opinion. :D (at least the half of it)

MrVorlon
10-21-2005, 10:45 PM
Maybe the Exile can die? The search for Revan was too treacherous for even the Jedi God. The new PC has to be careful about where he goes because his chances for survival just sank to 0.0000102% after finding the Jedi God's remains. How can a mere Padawan succeed where the Exile failed?

I guess not though.

Kain
10-22-2005, 02:28 AM
The Exile sucks. I hope he's deader than a doornail.

Darth SINner
10-22-2005, 03:13 AM
I think the exile should be on the jedi council and send the new NPC (who is the padawan to him/her) to look for Revan.

Achilles
10-22-2005, 03:21 AM
Sorry, Achilles, but I don't agree with that. The guy I played back in K1 is dead? I think that you should have a reunion, with everybody there. Not to say that someone shouldn't die, I think it would be a nice addition if Carth died fighting, or somebody else, to finish the series off. Of course, Revan could die at the end, too, but I want to meet him, not just find him like Vash.Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally, I cannot fathom how the devs would be able to efficiently resolve a living Revan 2 games after his/her appearance.

You implied that your Revan was male. Just because your Revan was a guy, doesn't mean that everyone else's was. Should the devs just assume that Revan was male? Even if the answer is yes (and they piss off all their female players), how do you anticipate they will gracefully allow you to set a global for his appearance? If Revan was caucasian, how do you think the people that played as Asian characters will feel? If Revan had long hair, how do you think the people that played with a short haired PC will react?

If you're comfortable with permutations, then you could probably calculate how many possible "Revans" there are considering that you have 2 genders, 2 alignments, and approximately 2 dozen appearances to choose from. I imagine that you'll quickly find that there are hundreds if not thousands of possible Revans based off of your available choices in K1.

The devs have to stick to the storyline. You can't create an immersive game if the player has to fill out a 20 page questionnare just to set a global for Revan's appearance. And they aren't going to risk ejecting you from the game by forcing a Revan that you didn't pick down your throat. Similarly they aren't going to waste a lot of time trying to figure out how to let you tell the game what Revan was like. Their "easy out" is a masked, genderless Revan that died in the Outer Rim.

I think the exile should be on the jedi council and send the new NPC (who is the padawan to him/her) to look for Revan.For the same reason's listed above, I don't think we'll see the Exile on the counsel. Since there was a DS ending that involved the Exile taking over Trayus Academy, it's pretty far fetched to assume that we'll see him/her calling the shots for the Jedi. Now that isn't to say that a former companion of the Exile's might not be on the Counsel, but I highly doubt we'll see the Exile again.

chaleur
10-22-2005, 03:36 AM
Otherwise the devs would have to put in gender and alignment checks again, plus they would have to figure out what "the real" Revan looks like.Are you sure about that? I'd been hoping that Lucas Licensing made Revan male in canon(1) because there's to be a new Dark Horse comic that will refer to her in passing, and needed a pronoun. But what if the reason they did it is because they are planning to fix Revan as male LS (or whatever) in KotOR 3? That would be tragic, IMHO, but it is possible, and even understandable from the developers POV.

(1) http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=420#11839253

Achilles
10-22-2005, 03:58 AM
Am I sure? No, I can't possibly be sure, but canon for a comic is one thing and a loyal fanbase for a game franchise is another. I think if their motivation was video games, then we would have seen a LS Male Revan in TSL. Instead we got a dialog with Atton that allowed us to chose those things for continuity (the key issue, IMO). I suspect that the true reason behind the decision was canon for canon's sake.

If the devs say to hell with continuity, then it's entirely possible we'll see Revan in K3. Just be ready to see a LS Male that may or may not look like the male PC that you may or may not have selected when you played K1. That sounds like a lot of fun, right? :p

fresnosmokey02
10-22-2005, 01:26 PM
I like the idea of unlocking the astrogation computer. But I was under the impression that finding the "true sith" and/or finding Revan was a little more urgent than waiting 10-15 years for it to occur. Although I could be wrong about that, it was just an impression after all. And about Bastila dying if you are a LS female, I was able to turn her back to the LS on occaision, although not every time. So they needn't worry about any repercussions about bringing Bastila back, because it's possible that she's alive no matter what your gender or alignment in K1.

Achilles
10-22-2005, 03:17 PM
It's possible (heck, probable) that the timeline might pick up sooner. Taking a look at the status of the Jedi order and the number of confirmed Jedi that are available to take up the cause, I don't think it will pick up right where TSL left off. 10-15 years might seem a bit long, but if they happen to "find" another group of Jedi after they were almost completely wiped out in TSL, I'm going to be very disappointed.

As for Bastila, if even one of the possible scenarios resulted in her being dead, then they can't pursue a storyline where she's alive. They will absolutely have to worry about repercussions of bringing her back. TSL had a very clever method of eliminating any story conflicts, but if I'm still being quizzed about KotOR in K3, I'm going to be a bit disappointed. I hope the devs realize that we need to move on.

Aleggy
10-22-2005, 06:58 PM
ok i think the problem with creating a sequal to the kotor games is that theres more than 1 ending in both there are possible deaths of certain npc and in tsl there different possabilities as to who was in your party

soooooo you'll be some new guy/gal with a new party selection saome 'subtle' questioningg at the beginning to find out how you finished 'both' games.

the big problem is how are they going to come up with a new way to get you the ebon hawk and the droids without repeating the beginning of tsl

now imho the droids hk and t3 have to be in kotor3 as they are the 3po and r2 of kotor but i dont know about you guys but i dont mind a new ship a new padawan and a new games engine so long as the feel of the game is still kotorish

as to the actual plot big bad sith at large and i get to slash em with my trusty lightsaber and on the way i learn a bit of what happened to the exile and revan

that'll do me just my 2 cents

RobQel-Droma
10-22-2005, 11:36 PM
You probably could find the Ebon Hawk, I don't think that we will be getting it right away, perhaps in the later part of the game when you go into the Unknown Regions (assuming you go there eventually). HK and T3 have to be back, even if you don't want to have them as party members, they still need to be there as possible party members.

Why not have Bastila, Carth, and others back? I guess it is just that I don't really care whether you have to answer questions - I hope they make it subtle, or perhaps hard to even notice you are choosing something, but still something that determines whether you see them or not. They could have been in TSL, so it is possible that they are in KotOR III. And I just like them anyways, I think it would be good that you see some of the main characters show up. For me it makes the story tie together even more.

One of the reasons that KotOR is so good is that there are all the different choices you can make: LS Male, DS Male, LS Female, DS Female. Someone did point out that in KotOR III there would be 64 different paths you could take, 4 for Revan, 4 for the Exile, and 4 for you. But it would give the game almost unending replayability, and wouldn't be set on one path.

If we have someone coming back, I don't want them to make long reappearences (I know I am spelling that wrong, I can't remember how to spell it :) ). Just a short one would be fine with me, even though I would like a maybe Bastila as your master if you say that Revan didn't kill her. In fact, there is only 2 out of 6 choices that she was dead. If Revan was DS, then she's alive. If Revan was LS/DS, then you can say that she was redeemed by Revan, by something subtle in the dialogue.

Same thing goes for the other characters, which are a lot more simple. I seriously doubt that we will be seeing Juhani, there are two choices that you killed her, once on Dantooine, once on the Temple on Rakatan/Unknown World. The first time isn't dependant on anything, so it would be another whole question set. I don't want to have the first half of the game telling people what happened in the earlier games :xp:.

As for Mission and Zaalbar, again very simple, Revan dark, they're dead, Revan light, they're alive. You may say that even if you are dark you can have Zaalbar kill Mission by Force Dominating him, but even so, he could attack you on the Star Forge, and if you didn't kill him there, then in all probability he would have attacked you later.

Carth, again, very simple. If Revan was Dark and Female, then he is dead. Nothing else will work. That could be solved by just setting Revan's alignment and gender.

And, the list goes on. I would like to see Jolee as a grouchy old force ghost, that would be good, maybe Brianna or Mical as head of a Jedi Academy, and others. Maybe Suvam Tan as a multi-millionare merchant, Yuthura Bann and Dustil Onasi as a Jedi Master and Jedi Knight (providing they aren't dead, it might cross the line of too much questioning), and whoever else.

I don't really want them to change the whole game engine and the way the game works, it just wouldn't feel right. If they have to, thats ok, but I would rather not. It might still feel KotOR-ish, but it wouldn't play that way. And I really want more items. Perhaps the return of HotG and MotF, Revan could have left them somewhere in the UR. Maybe some cool stuff that is made in the UR, and so is unlike most of the other technology. There is only one thing that I am going to be really mad at if they don't do it: MAKE KOTOR III! :D.

Achilles
10-23-2005, 02:12 AM
Alright you're obviously hellbent on seeing K1 and TSL characters return for the third game. Tell you what, how about you take some time to sit down and write a "subtle" way to work all these folks in. If you give up because it's too hard, then maybe you should consider lowering your expecations for the devs. If you actually come up with something good, then send it to LA. Don't forget that you need one set of questions that sets gender and alignment for Revan and a separate set that does the same for the Exile.

And if you want to get a jump start on the dialog for K4, I'm sure they would appreciate it. Heaven forbid we actually try to move on from the K1 story.

*starts to seriously hate Revan*

Darth333
10-23-2005, 02:27 AM
I'm with Achilles on this one. If they try to bring everyone back, the story will look all patched together piece of crap. And it's obvious they won't start setting conditions for all the npcs: making a game costs $$$ and they want to make a profit on it. They can't write five or six different stories.

*starts to seriously hate Revan*
Me too :p

RedHawke
10-23-2005, 02:50 AM
I personally think the 4 Revan/Exile gender and alignment questions will be more than enough, being OE set the question precident in TSL. ;) Any more questions and I will demand a grade for my quiz! :p

Like was stated by Achilles and Darth333, bringing in all the other NPC's from KOTOR and TSL would be a patchwork nightmare, and would be sheer window dressing at the most, a pure waste of valuable development time at the least... sorry, I just don't see it either. :)

*starts to seriously hate Revan*
Noooooooooo! :vadar:

SITHSLAYER133
10-23-2005, 04:21 AM
revan cant
exile maybe

i want the bastila back dont care how but she must be a party member !

Achilles
10-23-2005, 04:38 AM
Maybe they'll call it Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - The Third Time :rolleyes:

Since Bastila could have died in K1, they will not bring her back as a party member. Even if they could resolve her being possibly being dead and all, I think figuring out how to explain why she starts out as a low-level NPC will be more than they can pull off. And PLEASE do not start offering explanations for how she can start out at level 20.

fresnosmokey02
10-23-2005, 01:07 PM
Sorry for the aside here, but everyone keeps talking about Bastila being alive or dead, so...Bastila is alive people. In K2 if Revan was DS you saw her in T3's hologram as well as the hologram in the sith academy. If you said Revan was LS then you saw her with Carth after you destroyed the Ravager. So as far as the K2 devs were concerned Bastila is alive no matter Revans alignment.

Achilles
10-23-2005, 02:41 PM
LSM Revan: Everyone lives
LSF Revan: Most everyone lives. Bastila can die.
DSM Revan: Bastila, Carth, Canderous, and the droids live. Everyone else can die.
DSF Revan: Bastila, Canderous, and the droids live. Everyone else can die (including Carth).

In TSL, the holovids with Bastila only appear if Revan was DS or LS male. LSF Revan holovid shows Carth instead of Bastila. The aforementioned post-Ravager cutscene only plays if Revan was LS. Bastila only appears afterwords if Revan was male.

The argument that Bastila is alive (no matter what) is factually incorrect.

YertyL
10-23-2005, 05:07 PM
In TSL, the holovids with Bastila only appear if Revan was DS or LS male.
Actually, if my memory serves me correctly the Korriban hologram of Bastila is also there for DSF Revan.
And anyways, LSM is canon so Bastila lives :) :p

The Doctor
10-23-2005, 05:30 PM
Achilles is right. It's pointles to argue over whether Bastila lived or not, even if she does with an LSM.

RobQel-Droma
10-23-2005, 07:54 PM
I am not hellbent on seeing everybody from the previous games return, I just like Bastila and Carth, and I think that it would be nice if they were in there. If they were in TSL, and you had no problem with that, then what is the problem with them being in K3? I don't want to see everybody, I was just giving possiblitys on people to see. A lot of NPCs from the earlier games were good and couldn't be killed, so why not have them return? I don't want everybody, just a few people would be a nice addition. And what is so hard about the questioning being subtle?

And what is the comment about explaining how they will be low-level, I never even said they will be party members, I am talking about them showing up again. Maybe Bastila as your master, but that doesn't have to be; She might just be another NPC (if she is in there). I didn't want the party members from K1 and K2 back as party members again, the only ones I would want are Canderous/Mandalore and HK and T3, if that is what you were thinking I meant.

Achilles
10-23-2005, 08:24 PM
Actually, if my memory serves me correctly the Korriban hologram of Bastila is also there for DSF Revan.
And anyways, LSM is canon so Bastila lives :) :pRight. Dark Side female is still Dark Side. Not sure what your point is.

If the devs were worried about cannon, they wouldn't have bothered to give you a choice in TSL.

I am not hellbent on seeing everybody from the previous games return, I just like Bastila and Carth, and I think that it would be nice if they were in there.Fine. I for one, feel that Bastila and Carth played their part in TSL and now it's over. Bring them back again doesn't serve the story in any way other than to say "look, here's Bastila and Carth again". Keep in mind this is after you go through another dialog where you set Revan's gender and alignment from KotOR. It was necessary for TSL, but certainly isn't for K3.

If they were in TSL, and you had no problem with that, then what is the problem with them being in K3? Again, they're played out. They were back in extremely limited roles and they were able to contribute to the setup for the next game. I don't want to be 5 or 6 games into the series, answering questions about Revan so that I can see Bastila and Carth again.

I don't want to see everybody, I was just giving possiblitys on people to see. A lot of NPCs from the earlier games were good and couldn't be killed, so why not have them return? I don't want everybody, just a few people would be a nice addition. And what is so hard about the questioning being subtle? The NPCs that are possible to see depend on Revan's gender and alignment. DS Female Revan most likely equates to Bastila, Canderous, and the droids. I have no doubt that we'll see the droids again due to the fact that there were two droids that tied all the SW movies together. There's a precedent.

As I stated earlier, feel free to provide some subtle dialog. I think you'll find that it's not as easy as you seem to think it is. The devs would be better served spending their time trying to figure out how to take the story forward rather than figure out ways to bring back tired NPCs from (what will be) two games ago.

And what is the comment about explaining how they will be low-level, I never even said they will be party members, I am talking about them showing up again.That was in response to SITHSLAYER133's post. He's taking the insanity one step further, asking for Bastila to be a party member.


Maybe Bastila as your master, but that doesn't have to be Good, cuz she could have died in K1. Imagine how the devs are going to explain how a dead NPC from the first game is your Master in the third. Or they could just worry about writing a good story with new characters and save themselves the mental gymnastics.

I didn't want the party members from K1 and K2 back as party members again, the only ones I would want are Canderous/Mandalore and HK and T3, if that is what you were thinking I meant.Why not? No one except Mira and Hanharr died in TSL. I think that if we bring back Carth and Bastila we should definitely bring back Atton and Handmaiden.

Maybe we could have a party comprised completely of NPCs from the first two games. I'm thinking Visas, Bao-Dur, T3, HK, Mandalore and maybe one or two new characters (if that's ok). We'll go to the same planets and do the same quests. At the end, we'll find out that Malak didn't really die and that the Rakata built two Star Forges. The second one is kickin' it in orbit around Malachor V and we have to fight Malak and Traya before they can take over the galaxy. Sounds like fun.

Clone L68362
10-23-2005, 09:48 PM
We can always play as Revan again....no one seems to think that but me. And if any old party members are gonna make an appearance/be a party member, they need to be either Carth (only if you play as Revan) HK-47 (he's kind of become a staple now huh) T3 (T3 kicks ass and everyone knows it) and Mission (ehhh what the heck?)

Achilles
10-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Does that mean you're also from the "You start the game at level 20" camp? If not, then how do you explain a Level 1 Revan? Based off of what we learned from TSL, what would Revan do in K3?

Prime
10-24-2005, 09:53 AM
There is no way you will play as Revan, mostly because of what Achilles has stated.

RobQel-Droma
10-24-2005, 11:31 AM
Maybe we could have a party comprised completely of NPCs from the first two games. I'm thinking Visas, Bao-Dur, T3, HK, Mandalore and maybe one or two new characters (if that's ok). We'll go to the same planets and do the same quests. At the end, we'll find out that Malak didn't really die and that the Rakata built two Star Forges. The second one is kickin' it in orbit around Malachor V and we have to fight Malak and Traya before they can take over the galaxy. Sounds like fun.

Achilles, man, I NEVER ever said that I want any of them to be party members. I hope that the only ones returning are HK, T3, and Canderous. I do not want a party entirely with party members from the earlier games. If Bastila is in the game, I don't really care if she is a party member or not. Please, reread my posts before you start sarcastically making assumptions, I never said anything about that.

If you ask me, you are taking it way farther than I meant. Just because you don't like the idea of Bastila returning, that doesn't mean you need to make some sarcastic explanation of the game in what it will be, based upon something I never said, or hinted, to show people what it would "supposedly" be if it was like that. That was really exaggerating. If I want Bastila back for K3, that doesn't mean I want everything from K1 in K3; That is a huge jump, my friend.

If they don't put Bastila in, I will send the devs hate mail all the time, and... Just kidding, I don't care if they don't put her in, I won't cry about it. It isn't that vital to the story, just a little something that might make for an interesting storyline. But, I do agree, they need to spend more time on other stuff that working out dialogue and stuff.

Achilles
10-24-2005, 11:47 AM
Rather selective with your response...

No matter. I think the rest of my post argues at least a few points for why it (yet another appearance by K1 characters) won't happen. Until the game is actually released, or until we hear from the devs, it's anyone's ball game.

Clone L68362
10-24-2005, 09:37 PM
Course you can play as Revan. For what happens, we already know, he went off into the Unknown Regions to look for the real Sith empire. At the beginning, he's exploring a planet, when he's attacked by Sith dudes, and being that they're the real Sith, they kick Revan's ass and throw him in jail. While your there, they drain you of all your power, and you have to get your strength back throughout the game. Maybe you escape from jail and decide to return to Republic space to get help. Naturally the Sith don't want that so they send guys after you. While you search for people to fight with you, you're constantly attacked by Sith and bounty hunters and stuff. I dunno. But I do know it can be done.

RobQel-Droma
10-24-2005, 09:57 PM
^^^^
How? What about alignment Clone L68362? Ok, he is LS Jedi, then he is DS Dark Lord, then he is captured and Neutral, then he is whatever in K1, then he is all of a sudden Neutral again? Or should we just take the aligment part out of the game? And how are you going to make him light or dark from K1?

And what about items, does he just lose those? You are going to be a character that has already been customized and played as. You are already going to know who he is. You are going to have a huge gap from the end of K1 that would have to be filled. How are they going to work in a good storyline? I seriously doubt that "Course you can play as Revan" and "But I do know that it can be done."

Shem
10-25-2005, 05:01 AM
You implied that your Revan was male. Just because your Revan was a guy, doesn't mean that everyone else's was. Should the devs just assume that Revan was male? Even if the answer is yes (and they piss off all their female players), how do you anticipate they will gracefully allow you to set a global for his appearance? If Revan was caucasian, how do you think the people that played as Asian characters will feel? If Revan had long hair, how do you think the people that played with a short haired PC will react?

In light of what RobQel-Droma said. I think that the PC Head choices that were availible in KotOR I should be used to pick out what you want Revan to look like. And of course make choices to determine if Revan went light or dark. To make it easier again, you can have Revan wear a mask again.

Just remember we were able to make choices in our dialogue in TSL if Revan was male or female, dark or light. If can be done again, and put Revan in a mask if needed to, or go another step and choose Revan's appearance based on the original game.

EDITED FOR SPELLING ERRORS

Achilles
10-25-2005, 12:21 PM
^^^^
Sure. And I'm positive that all of that will lots of fun and not even a little obnoxious for the player. :eyeraise:

You are on to something with the mask (they did it in TSL), but it won't matter b/c Revan will be dead...

RobQel-Droma
10-25-2005, 12:44 PM
^^^^
Not necessarily. We really don't know anything about as of now, so really it is not like anyone knows what is going to happen to him. And besides, we are just saying what we would like, regardless of what your personal opinion on what a stupid game it would be, Achilles. I am just guessing.

Achilles
10-25-2005, 01:47 PM
I think there was quite a bit of foreshadowing in TSL...enough that you can get a good feel for the tone of K3 (and it won't include a living Revan). Let's put the arguement to rest with a wager. State your terms.

RobQel-Droma
10-25-2005, 02:22 PM
I will wager the cookie I won in the "Do you ever dream about KotOR" thread.

Seriously though, I would prefer that I would be able to meet the person I played in K1 before he dies. In fact, I would rather not have him die, and have him and the Exile at the end. Same for a lot of the other characters. But if the game by itself is good, I don't really care.

spinkle
10-25-2005, 02:35 PM
I will wager the cookie I won in the "Do you ever dream about KotOR" thread.

ha! i'll even lend you another cookie so you can wager two!


Seriously though, I would prefer that I would be able to meet the person I played in K1 before he dies. In fact, I would rather not have him die, and have him and the Exile at the end. Same for a lot of the other characters. But if the game by itself is good, I don't really care.

sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo.

so it looks like you may be losing those cookies after all anyway =\

RobQel-Droma
10-25-2005, 03:01 PM
sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo.

Its a lost cause....

Then again, was it ever a cause?

I still would like to see him; that was what I originally had planned in my story idea, so that is why I want him. I think I am becoming more doubtful of him being alive, now of all the things you have said.

Still would like him, Exile, Mission, Brianna, Jolee, Carth, Bastila, Canderous, and others to make appearances in some fashion or other, though... :giggle1: :giggle1:

Clone L68362
10-25-2005, 07:43 PM
To what you said Rob, items will be easy, they can give you some plain Jedi master robes and a lightsaber and you can customize a little. Depending on what feats you pick (you should get like 15-20 feats when you make him) you will be able to pick certain crystals. For example, if you get all three levels of the lightsaber attack feats, you can use the really powerful crystals, but if you decide to pick up other things, you only gte to use some crummy crystals. As for the alighnment, it would be easy enough to either make it so the story happened one way, then have the game let you do the usual thing where the way you act affects the alignment, or the second, you pick at the menu Revan light side, Revan dark side, Exile light, Exile dark, whatever. I'm telling you, it can be done :)

RobQel-Droma
10-25-2005, 07:56 PM
So you pretty much make a super character with all these feats, and get certain items that you probably didn't get in K1, and lose some of the items in K1. Items would not be easy, come on. So you get a lightsaber, a Jedi Master robe, and a few items that the game chooses by itself. That would take away the part of making your own character. You would get a character that has already gotten feats and items, without having to buy them or gain experience. It would take away the first part of the game where you are trying to stay alive, and don't have that many items.

Not to mention that you lose the whole part of the game where you choose your alignment. One of the cool things about KotOR is that you can make your own choices, and decide whether you are light or dark. Choosing it at the beginning would take away that. Does it make him LS or DS mastery, or would it just pick a spot in the middle?

And the questions that you didn't answer: What would they do with the huge gap from K1 to K3? How are they going to fill you in on what happened? Where would be the storyline? "Ok, I am this super Jedi, I got all these items for free and I am going to go kill the Sith."

It just isn't going to work, it would be a big change. Instead of having to work for stuff and skills/feats, you get it at the beginnning by choosing all these different feats. Where would be the challenge? And where would be the discovery of your character, the "blank sheet" for that game? We have already played Revan, we have already discovered his secrets, we have figured out that he was a Dark Lord once.

Clone L68362
10-25-2005, 08:45 PM
You wouldn't get the best items ever in the game. Just a slightly customized lightsaber and a Jedi Robe. You'd still find way better stuff. As for being to powerful, having too many feats at the start, too much, VP, FP, you're gonna need it to take on these Sith. We're talkin the Sith buried on Korriban, the ones Kreia said would kill you easily. Or, maybe you can start out as a entirely new class? Something way more powerful than the Guardian/Sentinel/Consular and WM/SM/Watchman...you get it.

Know how each class has certain stats? For example the Guardian is 10 in VP, but a 4 in FP, and the Consular is a 6 in VP and a 10 in FP?

Well, these new classes would be something like:
New class#1: 10 VP, 6 FP, 8 Skills, 4 Feats
#2: 8 VP, 8 FP, 4 Skills, 6 Feats

Something like this, where they're better than all the classes we've seen. But you don't start at level 20, you start off as level one of these classes. The whole idea is basically you're stronger than other Jedi, but the Sith are stronger than you. Say at level 1 you have 120 VP. 120 VP for, oh I dunno, the Jedi Savior is like 240 VP for a Guardian. So, when a Sith hits you in the beginning area, he does crap loads of damage. What I'm trying to say is the numbers make you look like you haven't lost your power, your force points, anything, but the difficulty makes it seems just as if you had 12 VP.

Now, as for alignment, I guess I worded it badly. At the main menu, you choose if you want to be Revan as a light side dude or dark side. Then, as you fight the Sith, the temptation is hard to resist, I mean, he went dark side before, he might decide it was the best choice. So you can choose to start off light side and fall to the dark side, or vice versa.

As for the huge gap, the galaxy kinda big. I'm sure Revan could spend five years roaming it. And lastly, why would we need to discover something about Revan? Yeah, he's a badass former Sith lord, that we know, but do we know anything else? Where he was born? That's what we can learn about the character.

Keep em coming, I can do this all day. :D

RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 01:43 AM
It still doesn't do with the alignment, I understood what you said. Ok, I know you pick it, but what about ingame? There would be no more choosing, because you are already light or dark. Ok, you would choose, but it wouldn't be the same. And I am sure there are lots of people who don't want to find out Revans birth certificate and medical records. There is no revelation to learn about him; What, are we going to find out that- oh no! He is the son of the Sith!

You never adressed also about the gap. What I was saying, was, he would probably be looking for whatever it is he was looking for, and would have more than five years to do it, so he would be fighting enemys, and getting items, and discovering things. No way to find out what he has been doing.

Ok, so you start out really advanced but you are level one of an advanced class. What about your party members? Are they going to be super advanced, or are they going to be regular? If they are regular, it is likely they are going to be slaughtered by the enemy, and if they are advanced you get to do the exciting thing of choosing tons of these feats and skills for them. And I guess this is going to be assuming you are always in the Unknown Regions, becuase otherwise you could go back and kill about ten Sith with one attack.

Clone L68362
10-26-2005, 01:57 AM
Yeah, I was gonna touch on party members. They could be regular in terms of power, but up the VP to like....50 or so at first level. I mean, 12 VP on the Endar Spire was enough, but when you could reach 200+ , 12 Vp is like the health of a baby, it's not a realistic amount of endurance for an adult. So, stead of a Scoundrel type character having 12 VP at first level, they'd have more like 60. And if that's not enough, it's perfect for you to try and take responsibility for their safety.

Say the situation is there's two Sith guys, and you have a Scoundrel in the party with 75 VP. You start fighting one Sith guy while the other heads to the Scoundrel. Sith guy does 30 dmg on first hit so, you realize you need to help him. And if that's an inconvenience, which it shouldn't be, once your companions get stronger you won't have to worry about them that much, just an occasional heal, keep fighting.

And that gap? I dunno how to answer. We know he goes to the Unknown Regions to fight the real Sith Empire. It's not up to me to make the story, but I bet it would be explained why it took 5 years. If not, it's not that big a deal. Pretend it was 2 years. I dunno.

As for alignment, if you don't like starting off a certain alignment, I can't really do anything. It is a little stretch, but maybe if say you start Light side and stay Light side, you get a reward at the end of the game? And if you're Dark Side stay Dark side you unlock "Rule the Galaxy mode" where you kill whoever ya want, blow up planets, whatever your dark little hear wants.

RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 11:18 AM
I still don't like the idea. You are some super Jedi, yet they have so you are really vulnerable at the beginning, because you will be going up against the real Sith, which will make you seem weaker. And you keep saying five years; It is morethan five years, five years plus the gap between K2 and K3. The alignment thing, I just think that that takes away from starting of grey, and then choosing whether you are good or evil - you just decide at the beginning. It would feel like an expansion pack of Revan. And then you have super party members, who must be past the prestiege class, and who just have a ton of VP. If that is all they have though, as you said, it is going to be a problem. VP just means it takes longer for a Sith to kill you; If so, they would just stay there for a while, but eventually get slaughtered since their attacks and everything are still primitive.

Clone L68362
10-26-2005, 12:24 PM
Hmmm...well...I think I've explained my ideas. Oh well. Let's just end it with I think Revan can show up in one more game, you don't. Though, to tell the truth, I doubt we will play as Revan in K3, because I doubt they would spend as much time as I did trying to explain how it could work. At the very least I want Revan to play a good sized chunk of the story/make an appearance.

One last thing, the gap you keep talking about, we don't know how long after K2 K3 will take place. Heck, it might even take place between 1 and 2 to tell us what happened in those five years.

JediMaster12
11-10-2005, 05:31 PM
One last thing, the gap you keep talking about, we don't know how long after K2 K3 will take place. Heck, it might even take place between 1 and 2 to tell us what happened in those five years.


Got a point there





"Your senses betray you, as you betrayed me." :lightning

RobQel-Droma
11-10-2005, 08:01 PM
Maybe, but at the same time that would either mean the the Exile would no longer be there, and Traya would, or that five or less years would go by in a few hours.

Axe Windu
11-10-2005, 10:22 PM
Ok Revan in the game in his Robes... but I dont think you should ever get to actually talk to him just see visions of him or something. Maybe fight with him something.

Bastilla should be in it... she was in the last game no matter what you chose so she should be in this game too. Dark or Light I dunno.

Carth should die heading a republic fleet into battle with the true sith... or you should rescue him and he shoudl rejion your party.

Canderous should also die in battle or you meet him on dxun or something. He shouldnt be in your party though.

HK and T3 Should be in your party

Kreia should stay dead... the only way she should come back is if she is a force ghost guiding the exile.

The exile has to die or be seldome mentioned. There are too many variables. What if you started out as the exile? Yah know kinda liek the Matrix the first movie was awesome and stand alone but left room for a sequal where the second two were like one giant movie cut in half. I could see your starting on the... wait no thats stupid that means same party members and thats dumb. Unless like half of them died thatd be cool. So yeah no exile or seldom mentioned.

No Handmaiden or Desciple

Baodur would be cool as an appearence

Jolee in a holovid

No Juhani, Big Z, or Mission lets assume they all died at that temple or on the beach. I know that was the funnest part of the game for me and Im sure it was for many others as well. I was very pissed when Carth ran away I wanted to force choke him to death.

Visas is very very doable. Whether she was light or dark she looked the same.

No Goto unless your dealing with the crime boss which would be a nice little after thought. Kinda like killing dooku in ep3... yah know tying up loose ends.

No Mira, Hanharr

Id like to see Atton... at the Exiles side maybe. Like you see a vision of him fighting or something. With a purple sabor as to not know if he is light or dark.

And thats like it.

RobQel-Droma
11-10-2005, 11:36 PM
Bastilla should be in it....... HK and T3 Should be in your party..... Kreia should stay dead...... No Handmaiden or Desciple...... Canderous should also die in battle or you meet him on dxun or something. He shouldnt be in your party though.



Yes, Bastila should be your Jedi Master. Or a Jedi Master. HK and T3 should definitely stay, although perhaps an option to get evil droids for a DS character. Kreia should definitely stay dead. I thought actually that Disciple and/or Handmaiden should maybe should start a Jedi Enclave on Telos or something. And Canderous as a party member. I just personally feel that he is kind of like HK and T3, a bit of a lasting party member.

Jolee in a holovid

Actually I was more thinking along the lines of force ghost. He would make a perfect one; A reluctant grouchy old geezer who decides to mentor you as a grey Jedi. He would probably be dead: Either by a DS Revan, or by old age.

No Juhani, Big Z, or Mission lets assume they all died at that temple or on the beach.

I so want to see Mission... But I doubt she will be there, for the reason you pointed out. Not really that important enough of a character to try and make a reappearance. Well, she was important, but not AS important.

...lets assume they all died at that temple or on the beach. I know that was the funnest part of the game for me and Im sure it was for many others as well. I was very pissed when Carth ran away I wanted to force choke him to death.

I knew you played as a DS evil character, I just knew it. It was so sad on my game... I decided to take my LS mastery character and save right before the fight, just so I could try out what is was like for DS characters on the Star Forge... It was heartbreaking *sniff* when you just have to *sniff* kill Mission, Jolee, and Juhani...:ball:

As for me - LS mastery all the way! :D

Revan Skywalker
12-22-2005, 02:13 PM
What if they redo TSL? Obisidian didn't have enough time to do it, so they can do it again and go with the original story they had with enough time. To see the story, go to team-gizka.org.

Sith_Reven
12-22-2005, 03:32 PM
I think they should bring all the party members together and some would get eradicated along the way in the story. I am not clear, is the new character we will have going to be revan, the exile or a new player. Sorry, I have been away from the forums for some time.

RobQel-Droma
12-22-2005, 03:37 PM
Welcome to the Forums, Sith_Reven!!!

RS, I am waiting for the TSL Restoration Project too, along with the M4-78 planet- I am betting that TSL is going to be even better than K1 with them. However, I don't think that K3 is going to be made based on what Team-Gizka is doing or on what Obsidian intended for it. I think they are just going to go with what the game itself is like.

Revan Skywalker
12-22-2005, 03:49 PM
Maybe Obisidian will reod TSL because they didn't have enough time to make it good.

RobQel-Droma
12-22-2005, 05:50 PM
Unfortunately, as I said, I seriously doubt it.

Revan Skywalker
12-22-2005, 07:00 PM
It is kind of wild hope, but at least I have it. No offense if it sounds like I meant offense.

HQ|Delta 07
12-22-2005, 07:54 PM
Hi @ All. im new to the forums :)

So many people say "No way that there will be Revan". I ask: why not? Kreia said Revan is the only hope to the Galaxy(i saw that in a sig of a user;))

Well, if revan is dead, then the Galaxy would be under the control of the "true"Sith. So i'm very sure that revan will be in K3. I don't konw in what Role, but he will be. The player should decide, what gender revan is, and what ending you played in k1.

Bastila: Yeah i agree with rob. She will be in;)

HK and T3: he lovely droids. I don't know why, but i'm pretty sure that they will play a role in K3. It doesn't matter whether an important role or not.

I like the theory that you could see Jolee as holovid or a force ghost. Can someone tell me what Juhani and Jolee did after K1?:D maybe we'll also see Juhani as a ghost or a vid.

I would like to know if we'll only fight sith in the unknown regions or maybe(i hope so:D)new enemy's?

So far

Oh and I'm sorry for spelling mistakes. I'm from germany. I'm not from a english speaking country.;) :urpdude:

Revan Skywalker
12-22-2005, 08:33 PM
I agree with you, newcomer! Welcome to the forums.

JediMaster12
01-19-2006, 05:07 PM
Aye and I've mentioned before that I sense our adventure in KOTOR III will take place in the Unknown regions. There is going to be a war just like the war Kreia warns us about and it will have the potential to send repercussions across the galaxy or save the Republic. The fate of the galaxy will rest in the hands of a young pilot maybe of the Republic fleet.

Jeremia Skywalk
01-23-2006, 01:50 PM
I say make it like tsl- you know stuff about revan and exile, but you never realy cross them in game. I realy do not think that anyone who develops the game would like to think three days in row just to think of how to include your previous characters in game. only logical thing is tr-m4 and hk-47, as they can get a memory wipe and be whole fresh again, or just save masters secrets, but anyways YOU CANNOT(!) be revan (if u cannot spell it you shouldn't even think of it) i mean come on no matter how much u want it it's impssible. Unless Revan loses his memory (again) and exile gets cut off the force (again) and they are off to fix a hole in the force created by star forge[2] (sorry for taking some other people's ideas (they all were as sarcastic as this))

D.J.
01-23-2006, 04:34 PM
(if u cannot spell it you shouldn't even think of it)
?!
What's your problem with spelling, this is public forum.

Well, you all don't have to agree with me, but I think that this idea about new ex-jadi, new whoever, is dull. I mean, going through all this story again, with some new dude... Again?! This whole story is about Revan, so I guess it would be ok to play as Revan in K3, and I don't think it's impossible. I mean, he/she is the only one left (except Exile) able to fight the true sith. Exile is ok too.
All together, I think it would be ok to see maybe both Revan and Exile, in, let's say Unknown regions, if possible, and finally give this story normal continuation. If you get another amnestic-like guy, the story will only go further away from what it was in the beggining. Even if you do find out eventually what happend to Revan (and possibly Exile), it's still not sooooo good as it would be if you get to "do battle at the end of all things".
And, I am not going to accept the idea that Revan is dead. If they make K3 like that, I'm not playing it.

And, I think you can be Revan or Exile. Why not? Why not simply choose if you're male/female, LS/DS .. or even start from the level 20. According to TSL, these sith are waaaay bad guys. :)

The Source
01-23-2006, 05:29 PM
Hopefully, we have seen the end of the Exile. What a weak idea. Obviously they will end Revan's story.

Characters that will return:
HK
T3
Revan (Obvious)
Bastila

Anything more will make the game look like an expansion pack.

Planets returning:
Dantooine
Yavin IV

I can actually see some type of sidequest on Yavin IV. Maybe an endgame moment, or it has a very important element that is important to the story.

Any other planet will be just repeating the process. Even though I am tired of Dantooine, I think it will be back in some form.

You will start off as a Padawan, and your journey will be to determine what Revan was out to obtain. I think Revan will end up being a Sith Lord, and you will have to confront him/her.

If Obsidian gets the job, there will be no dramatic reveltion. If BioWare gets the job, there will be a cool twist.

Besides that: the sky is the limit...

JediMaster12
01-24-2006, 03:19 PM
I sense that the Unknown Regions is the battleground and the Outer Rim the staging ground for the ultimate battle, the one that will decide the fate of the Republic, which will fall 4,000 years later.

Marick
01-24-2006, 04:28 PM
im with u too 100 percent :twogun:

Clone L68362
01-24-2006, 05:23 PM
Looking back on my explanation of how playing as Revan would work, I think I have a better idea. How bout around the time in the game when you should be level 20, there's an event going on that you need Revan to take part in (like some bad evil Sith guy) and he becomes a main charcter? He/she would have to be in DS/LS Revan robes. Like Mandalore, you can't take em off. Genius or what?

kotorfan84
01-24-2006, 06:44 PM
I think the exile should be on the jedi council and send the new NPC (who is the padawan to him/her) to look for Revan.

Because of the exile's unique connection with the force, I actually believe he will do what he can to jumpstart the jedi order then return to exile.

D.J.
01-24-2006, 06:50 PM
Looking back on my explanation of how playing as Revan would work, I think I have a better idea. How bout around the time in the game when you should be level 20, there's an event going on that you need Revan to take part in (like some bad evil Sith guy) and he becomes a main charcter? He/she would have to be in DS/LS Revan robes. Like Mandalore, you can't take em off. Genius or what?


Clever idea :D

JediMaster12
01-25-2006, 12:31 PM
Welcome Marick!


sorry, rob, i have to agree with achilles here. i don't think revan is going to survive into k3. it makes more sense for the story for him/her not to, especially given the foreshadowing in k2 (as achilles mentioned). even just his/her appearance in ludo kressh's tomb is a pretty good intimation of revan's fate, imo.


But also remember that Kreia said the Exile was confronting things from the past. When you first go into that place where you battle Revan, there is a shadow of the PC standing behind Revan.

Rob if I had a cookie, I'd give it to you to wager.

Vaelastraz
01-25-2006, 03:06 PM
After now i've read through the entire tread i really hope there won't be a Kotor III.. Achilles and Rob stated so many things which make me think that Kotor III will somehow dissappoint me.

One of Kotor I's greatest features is the greatest issue in the sequels...
that you can choose your gender and alignment!

Kotor II got a nice open ending.. if they are gonna make Kotor III i would like to see a canonical Revan and Exile.
The other options would be a Kotor lets say 40 years after TSL.. with a new story, new setting, the republic still exists, the true sith are defeated, maybe some chronits tell you hints about Revan's and the Exile's fate.
personally rather than having revan dead i would prefer to have him lost.. he could have gone to Yavin 4 and "conservated" his essence there so someday he can return ^^^

[X] for a Kotor III 40 years after TSL

JediMaster12
01-25-2006, 07:49 PM
But then that would leave open details about the journey. I just remembered something however: Only the journey is written, not the destnation. I guess what I'm trying to say that there has to be an ending to the Revan story. The only way to get to the destination is through the journey.

TheGreenGoblin
01-25-2006, 09:16 PM
I REALLY wouldn't be happy if Revan died off-screen. If he has to die, I'd rather see it, I'd rather it have a point and a meaning behind it. I imagine many feel the same. As for his appearence, stick him in a cloak and hood and he'll be fine.

JediMaster12
01-26-2006, 11:43 AM
If the Exile is to be in it, how would you dress him? I would think the same thing would apply if he were to make an appearance. Maybe in Jedi robes with the hood up? That would work.

davey_wall
01-26-2006, 09:03 PM
I personally dont care who is in it or what we are doing in the game. ever since i beat the TSL i have been craving this game. Oh yeah T3 and the Hawk are definitly making a return.

Clone L68362
01-26-2006, 11:02 PM
I also thought at some point in the game, maybe T3 should "die" so to speak. I was thinking, he's kinda old, and he's bound to be more banged up by K3, how much longer will he go? I'd like to see Revan meet up with him and do the honors though...maybe it shows Revan through T3's...eye, and Revan pats him on the head and then shuts him down, and the screen goes dark. Sad I know, but I think it's a touching, nice little scene.

M i rite?

i like cheese
01-27-2006, 01:30 AM
T3 will be the savior of K3

JediMaster12
01-27-2006, 12:20 PM
How can that be? Will he beepdobeep the True Sith to death? All I'm saying is that yes he has a part left to play, he, in a sense, knows what happened to Revan and may be the key to finding him.
@ Clone L68362: What do you mean having T3 die? Believe it or not a droid, especially astromechs are quite hardy. Look at R2-D2, he lived through Naboo till all the way to the Joiner King in EU. It was even mentioned in TSL that droids are more resilient than humans. Maybe I should make you an astromech so you can see what I mean. :)

Clone L68362
01-27-2006, 06:33 PM
Ok...just thought about possibly making room for another party member and a Oscar winning moment at the same time, maybe not. T3 > All.

But what about my idea for Revan towards the end of page 2 people? Is that genius or what?

Darth InSidious
01-27-2006, 06:59 PM
WHAT?!?!?! That's going to happen!?

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I wholeheartedly concur!

I hate to point it out to you all, but by rights, Bastila should not have returned for certain in TSL anyhow.

Revan *has* to be a main character, personally I wld like him to be the PC. Quite simply, a resolution is needed to this story arc, then we move on to a new story arc.

JediMaster12
01-27-2006, 07:08 PM
@ Clone L68362: Yes that is a good idea. My question is is how would the problem of what Revan looks like be solved? How about this and I think I mentioned it before, LS wearing Jedi Robes with hood up and if DS wears robes when he was Darth Revan in KOTOR. Would that work?

RobQel-Droma
01-27-2006, 07:30 PM
If you are talking about Revan's appearance, why not just have your character choose a face in-game or in one of the menus? Or, JediMaster12, like you suggested, have him wearing Revan's robes if DS (those black ones he wears in cutscenes)- but, instead of hood-up Jedi Robes for LS, wears the Star Forge Robes? (Same as Revan's robe but tan-colored)

Ok, here is a story idea I had. Kind of short since I didn't work out many details, but here is an overview. How about this: In short, both the Jedi Council and the Sith are hunting you. Both because they think you are a threat. The Jedi refuse to believe that the Sith have returned, and that the Exile is trying to save the Jedi (perhaps he really isn't, if DS). You have been trained, but only a little by one of Exile's crew, and then Bastila (if alive), before the Jedi turn on you.

For a reason for them turning on you, perhaps Revan could go into the Unknown Regions and rediscover old True Sith temples. The True Sith will not actually be an enemy by the way- you will just find evidence of them, and their cities. You seem to have the ability to unleash the power that Revan found in these places, or to find it. Therefore, the Jedi Council is trying to destroy you in fear.

I realize it has a ton of plot holes, and hardly any real detail, but what do you think as a general outline?

Clone L68362
01-27-2006, 08:36 PM
I thought I said that...as a party member (I don't think he would take over as PC) he would be restricted to a LS or DS version of his robes, like Mandalore always wore his suit so you couldn't tell who it was.

EDIT: I did say that, so I'll add on. Rob has the right idea, I was thinking of Revan's LS robes being like the Star Forge texture in RedHawkes Revan The White mod thingy...as for your idea for the story, I guess that wouldn't be too bad.

Darth Plagueis
01-27-2006, 11:46 PM
i think you should be a new padawan sent to find revan but more than 4 planets not like kotor 1 and 2.and when u find him u either team up and destroy the true sith or defeat revan and take control of the true sith.

Vaelastraz
01-28-2006, 01:31 PM
If you are talking about Revan's appearance, why not just have your character choose a face in-game or in one of the menus? Or, JediMaster12, like you suggested, have him wearing Revan's robes if DS (those black ones he wears in cutscenes)- but, instead of hood-up Jedi Robes for LS, wears the Star Forge Robes? (Same as Revan's robe but tan-colored)

Ok, here is a story idea I had. Kind of short since I didn't work out many details, but here is an overview. How about this: In short, both the Jedi Council and the Sith are hunting you. Both because they think you are a threat. The Jedi refuse to believe that the Sith have returned, and that the Exile is trying to save the Jedi (perhaps he really isn't, if DS). You have been trained, but only a little by one of Exile's crew, and then Bastila (if alive), before the Jedi turn on you.

For a reason for them turning on you, perhaps Revan could go into the Unknown Regions and rediscover old True Sith temples. The True Sith will not actually be an enemy by the way- you will just find evidence of them, and their cities. You seem to have the ability to unleash the power that Revan found in these places, or to find it. Therefore, the Jedi Council is trying to destroy you in fear.

I realize it has a ton of plot holes, and hardly any real detail, but what do you think as a general outline?



Sounds nice to me! The only problem i see is that there is no jedi council after TSL (i always found it hard to believe that 3 jedi masters devided to rather unimportant worlds are the jedi council.. there has to be more)
I really like your idea that the so called "True Sith" are not an actual enemy!
After all iam not all that excited about that now-we-go-and-finally-fight-the-real-enemy. A story about betrayal, misunderstandings and things like that is more interesting than a great war against a superior race imo.

And actually the idea that you choose the Exile's and Revan's appearance right at the start of the game (with some kind of menu) is good! This way they can be in the game without complaining that Revan isnt /male/female/asian/etc.
I dont really care if that is settled via menu or dialog.

lonepadawan
01-28-2006, 09:41 PM
The whole choose the apearance of the two previous PC's is quite a daft idea.

Personally I say ditch the exile, he has no real relevance to Reven's story. If you must see Revan at all I say go with the hooded robe thing and don't see his/her face. A quick DS/ls/gender quiz at the begining should be fine... would also establish which character encounters could be triggered. Encounters should only really be cameoes on non-party members.

I say having Revan die ofscreen would be fine. His fate should be a mystery which you must solve. Finding a tomb or somthing would be interesting.

RobQel-Droma
01-28-2006, 11:00 PM
^I'm not quite sure where you got the idea that the Exile has no referance to Revan's story... And since when is it all about Revan? He is very prominent, but why is it all centered around him?

BTW, it is quite a "daft" idea to "ditch the Exile" like he never even existed. Please... :rolleyes: What, the devs are just going to act like TSL was never made, or had nothing to do with the series?

The only problem i see is that there is no jedi council after TSL

Well, they'd get some new ones. I was figuring that there would at least be two councils, the Coruscant High Council, and the Telos Academy Council. Briana would be a Council Member (on Telos), maybe Bastila (Coruscant) if alive.

You could create some others; Including a Yoda-guy, you have to have one of them in K3. :) Off-topic, did Zhar for sure die? Because he might be another choice.

Clone L68362
01-28-2006, 11:28 PM
I'm willing to bet he did. Vrook survived, Vandar either dies if DS, and I think he dies on Katarr so he's out for sure, Dorak was never mentioned again so it's safe to assume he died on Dantooine, so that's 2 that die one that lives, it's more likely he didn't survive the Dantooine bombing either.

Aleggy
01-29-2006, 09:30 AM
ok the end of tsl had a 'to be continued' feel about it so imo there is a possibility that you'll be playing as the exile again wich will upset the people wanting to play as revan but imo if you are the exile i suspect revan in a hood'n'mask will be a npc and gender will be decided via an early discussion

now saying that choosing your face for the character in k1&2 as a 'daft' idea is like saying having a game with different endings depending if you choose to go ls or ds is a 'daft' idea

the whole kotor experience is about making choices and the outcome of those choices the only snag is when making a sequal it makes it difficult to inlude previous characters

but that doesnt make it 'daft' imo

now i believe that you will not be exile or revan and you will only get to hear about them but not see them if kotor was to stick to its current method you will be some random new jedi who has to start from scratch woth force powers and will have to wait a bit for his/her lightsabre and you will somehow have access to the ship ebon hawke and the 2 droids t3 and hk and naturally there will be some sith assasins throughout the game you will have to kill and some sith masters aswell and you have the choice of destroying the sith or taking them over add a few side missions some pazaak and swoop racing and you have a game that will take 35hrs+ to complete

Phaedra36
01-30-2006, 03:33 AM
So many people would be pissed if Revan was not apart of the last game. Definitely Revan and the Exile, hands down. That was their fate, at the beginning of the character customization screen you should have to be asked certain alignment choices, face model, and job. Then the game could automatically do the rest. I would want a lot of the notable Kotor I and II characters to be in there to fix a lot of loopholes. I mean, TSL is a just a fan-based mod so Atton and others do have the possiblity of returning in the 3rd one.
Like I stated before in previous threads, people that I would like to see be there are...
Carth, Bastila, Atton (find out his true name perhaps?), Bao-Dur, Visas, and the droids. I think in the 3rd one we will finally see why the droid electrocuted HK-47 because he wanted to find out where the Ebon Hawk had been and why it was voice-locked btw.As for appearances, Jolee and the Disciple should make an appearance if a new Jedi Council is being made, but I don't think they should be party member characters. They seem the ones less for adventure anyway. Handmaiden is up in the air for me because I never played w/ her yet.
Peronally, I just think that the Disciple and Handmaiden didn't seem that important because they never got established names.

jedijones
01-30-2006, 05:48 AM
I'd like to see Bastila, Juhani and Jolee returning to train Atton, Mira, Bao Dur,
Handmaiden, Disciple and possibly Visas. Bastila and Atton as Master and Padawan would rock!

xmovingpicturesx
01-30-2006, 06:13 AM
The hood up/down works. You'd still get to choose gender, so it works. The exile would should be one to open the new academy, along with the handmaiden/disciple (if the exile was male or female) and bastilla. But the series in all should end with either Revan never having discovered the true sith and the new character in K3 discovering his "burial" place at the end, or with Revan as a party member along with your new character as you disover the true sith and ultimately defeat them.

lonepadawan
01-30-2006, 12:36 PM
Y'see the thing is I have yet to see an RPG sequel with a "customise your character from the previous game" screen... the way you guys want it your going to have an enormously clunky interface before you even start creating your OWN character.

JediMaster12
01-30-2006, 05:34 PM
A sense of humour I see. Before we get heated up over this as I've mentioned before, the hood up/down option would be good for Revan and the Exile. The Star Forge textures that Rob mentioned are good as well. Since we all have our own idea as to what Revan loooked like as well as the Exile. This would in a way be a neutral way of viewing Revan and the Exile should we see them in KOTOR 3.

MachineCult
01-30-2006, 06:10 PM
I suspect that the player character will have lost his/her memory at some point and used to be a Jedi but stopped before the beginning of the game for some reason.

JediMaster12
01-30-2006, 06:22 PM
Either that or he could be like the Exile and is Jedi no longer. Such fun to speculate though I still have a strong feeling that the PC may be someone once affected by Revan and/or the Exile.

RobQel-Droma
01-30-2006, 08:14 PM
Peronally, I just think that the Disciple and Handmaiden didn't seem that important because they never got established names.

Actually, they both have names; you find out what they are, in fact.

The Disciple's name is Mical. If you are male, you hear it on Dantooine. Remember when the Disciple says that he will go to Khoonda and await the next transport? While he is there, you get a cutscene where he contacts the Republic Admiral. He specifically says, "Admiral, this is Mical."

As for the Handmaiden:

If you are male, and have her in your party, you find it after you confront Atris. After she is eletrocuted by Atris, and you beat Atris in her meditation chamber, you come out and find the Handmaiden. During the dialogue with her, you find out that her name is Brianna.

Y'see the thing is I have yet to see an RPG sequel with a "customise your character from the previous game" screen... the way you guys want it your going to have an enormously clunky interface before you even start creating your OWN character.

I haven't seen on either, but... That doesn't really mean anything. Someone could easily say "Well why not have this be the first RPG that does!" Personally, I agree with you, I don't think you will choose them in the beginning of a new game, I think you will choose it during the game (at least for the Exile). But calling it "clunky" and "daft" is just your opinion, and doesn't hold much actual fact.

RedHawke
01-31-2006, 01:53 AM
^^^^
Actually Rob, the Exile will likely have no part in KotOR III, seriously, we will hear about the Exile in dialogs or on Datapads but we won't likely "see" the Exile. The Exile is un-important in the grand scope of things.

Revan can be done by using Revan's Masked outfit, using a Tan/Brown LS version and the original Black DS version. Even still I doubt we will "see" Revan except possibly in a cutscene, likely we will also find out Revan's fate via dialogs and Datapads, so this is all rather moot.

RobQel-Droma
01-31-2006, 02:25 AM
^I have to say I disagree with you, there. I don't think of the Exile as being "un-important." I don't quite understand why this would be the case. I'm not saying he is going to have a major part, or be an important NPC that you meet, but I think he will be in the story a tad more than you say.

RedHawke
01-31-2006, 02:27 AM
^^^^
Nope, there is nothing to disagree with Rob, for when you talk to Kreia at the end of TSL, it is all there.

RobQel-Droma
01-31-2006, 02:29 AM
^^^^
Not quite sure what you mean about Kreia.

zadi
01-31-2006, 03:17 AM
If both games had light-side endings (which I think both official versions were light-side ends) then read on.

From KOTOR 1: At Sith Academy you had the option of becoming the Twi'lek teacher's friend. As such you had the ability to turn her from the darkside and given the option to ask her to join you (she declines). What if she returns in the third game? Also at the Sith Academy, she tells you about the true Sith, a weird name for the true Sith. Game 3 is going to have to revolve around the true Sith since it's hyped up in both games.

Are we going to go back to the Star Forge System's planet? They seem to have something to do with the true Sith. So it wouldn't suprise me if we went back to that planet.

Personally, I hope it picks up where the Exile left off since that game was unfinished between where the HK units were coming from, Goto's location (we never did really meet him) and so many loose ends that needs to be tied up. T3 and HK know something about Revan and I hope since we spent so much time unlocking what those two know that we get to see it pay off in the final game.

I'd like to see Exile leave behind everyone but Canderous/Mandalore, T3 and HK. We can bet that GoTo's remote was destroyed on the planet with Bao-Dur's remote.

What I'd like to see are the following characters return for the final game - Revan, Exile (give the girl/guy a name that depends on the gender selected at the start of the game), Canderous/Mandalore, T3 and HK. Carth can return but basically to start Exile off on the mission to find Revan. Bastila, Jolee and Juhani (all who are now Jedi Masters) can take the new Jedi (Atton, Michal/Brianna, Bao-Dur, Mira and Visas) from Exile to rebuild the Order. They still need to be trained and learn the Jedi way in order to rebuild the Order. ;) What bugged me was the whole "last of the Jedi" since Bastila was alive and well (if you made Revan lightside male) so why can't Jolee and Juhani can be alive as well? Maybe Jolee returned to Kashyyyk with Mission and Zaalbar after Revan left? Bastila and Juhani probably stayed at Carth's side, we know Bastila did at least.

Hanharr might be dead or might not be since Mira was given the chance to kill him but how he would have escaped the planet... Well he did have to get there somehow. ;) It wouldn't surprise me if he escaped after Mira let him live.

And what ever happened to that Mysterious Box that Revan had to take to Tattoine? Hmm? Remember, he said he had started a civil war among his people and was punished. Could that civil war have anything to do with the true Sith?

Oh and why was Cathar among the first planets that the Mandalorians and Sith attacked?

But if Revan was darkside in the first game of course Big Z, Jolee, Mission, Carth and Juhani all died. If Exile was darkside then all of them remained on... on... I just went blank on the name of the planet. Off hand I don't recall what happens to the other characters if you're male-darkside or female-darkside.

If Revan was darkside then Carth is still on the Star Forge planet, might be alive and hiding or he might be dead. If we choose to have Revan be darkside then we find out what happened to Carth by going back. If Revan was lightside then we still go back to the temple to find out what happened with that genetic research that was going on. Remember the researcher asked you for the info if you were lightside.

If both ends were darkside, then we have to go in search of Bastila, she is probably alive searching for Revan and would know if Revan died due to their bond. Maybe Exile (dark or light) has to fight a dark Sith Lord and that dark Sith Lord would be Bastila is Revan was darkside and a different Sith Lord if Revan was lightside.

Personally, there were too many things left unwrapped between both games. I've played both enough to realize that there are so many possiblities that can pop up in the 3rd game. What happened to the Sith students that Revan turned? What happened to Carth's son? We know he went to Telos after they showed him the truth about the Sith. Like I mentioned before, what happened to the woman teacher that Revan called "friend" and saved? Just too many things that I like see wrapped up one way or another.

The 3rd game, if it continues on from either game is going to be more difficult to write since there were several ways it could have happened - 1 & 2 both lightside, 1 darkside/2 lightside, 1 lightside/2 darkside or both darkside. Four different storylines to bring into the 3rd game if it picks up after the 2nd game. If the 2nd game was darkside then we have to start off with a new character but if lightside we pick up as Exile. Either way, it's no wonder why the third game is taking so long to be announced. I think it would be easier on the game makers if they did it either as both games having lightside ends OR the 1st game ending with a darkside end and the 2nd as a light side end. Imagine writing the plots for four different endings!

FiEND_138
01-31-2006, 03:34 AM
Goto's location (we never did really meet him)
Uhhhh... we did.

RobQel-Droma
01-31-2006, 12:00 PM
What if she returns in the third game?Also at the Sith Academy, she tells you about the true Sith, a weird name for the true Sith. Game 3 is going to have to revolve around the true Sith since it's hyped up in both games.

I'm guessing she won't, since you could have killed her. There are about four different choices you can make when you confront her and Uthar, and only one of them ends up with her alive, and LS.

As for the True Sith, that name she tells you (the Sith'ari) is not a species. It is the Sith name for the Chosen One, a.k.a. Anakin. If you listen closely, you will realize that she is talking about an individual. Not a species.

As for "have to revolve around the True Sith", I don't think so. It wasn't really hyped up at all in the first game, in fact, I don't remember it being mentioned. As for in the second game, sure, Kreia talks about it a couple times, no very often, but does that mean we have to go and fight "True Sith"?

I don't doubt that we will find at the most ruins or cities or planets of theirs, but for me the whole thing about running off just like Revan and the Exile to fight some super-race, the real enemy just seems kind of lame to me. Personally I'd rather they just stick with the enemies they have and some ones they add in.

And what ever happened to that Mysterious Box that Revan had to take to Tattoine? Hmm? Remember, he said he had started a civil war among his people and was punished. Could that civil war have anything to do with the true Sith?

Well, usually "Civil War" means a war within your own people, and the Rakatans aren't True Sith, so... It really doesn't have much importance.

Oh and why was Cathar among the first planets that the Mandalorians and Sith attacked?

I didn't know that the Sith attacked it also. I might be mistaken, but I thought it was just Mandalorians. Well, in answer to your question... Umm, maybe it was closer to them than the others, or was just at a comparable strategic position? Or they just wanted to? :) As with the other, I think you might be setting too much importance on this.

What happened to the Sith students that Revan turned?

I only remember two... The one Sith student in-training and Yuthura, the teacher. Odds are that the Sith-turned-Jedi student was killed when Dantooine was bombed.

Like I mentioned before, what happened to the woman teacher that Revan called "friend" and saved?

Well, considering that she has a 50 percent chance she was alive, and 25 percent chance she is alive and turned to the lightside, we will most likely not see her. Besides, don't you think that in the case of the Sith student she might have been killed on Dantooine with the other Jedi? That is the last place she ended up in K1.

Personally, I hope it picks up where the Exile left off since that game was unfinished between where the HK units were coming from, Goto's location (we never did really meet him)

Most of that was just cut content that the devs didn't have time to complete. But as for Goto... I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that

The droid G0-T0 that comes with you is Goto. The hologram that you see is just a fake created by the droid. Go look on Wikipedia or somewhere for more on Goto, they explain it, I think.

BTW, welcome Zadi! :D

darklord_malak
06-14-2006, 01:25 PM
i think that the exile is needed in the last game because they brought him in and now he must be resolved. i have already came up with my ideas for the game.

1. The Start- Revan, you start off as revan opening up the game, it would start with a cutscene. you would start off on revan's homeworld. revan would be trying to locate the true sith but is not having any luck with finding them because they show no signs of their force powers. Revan would eventually have a cutscene where he meditates on it goes back on everything he has gone throuhg since leaving in kotor. the start should have revan lookiing for signs on empty planets.

2.A Sign- revan almost gives up when the jedi who can't stop force bonding becomes discovered, exile. the exile is on dantooine as he pays his respects to the fallen jedi masters confused he only sees two of the three. then revan sees the dead jedi masters and the two do battle. revan and the exile go for a little while until revan cuts off his hand and the exil pleads and revan and him talk, with all of this force energy it sends a ripple throughout the galaxy for all force users.

3. Hidden Jedi- Jedi all around the galaxy feel this and know the location. Two jedi masters pick up on this they have been wainting for a while. Kevar and Vandar find each and then the exile and revan. with all four coming together. Vandar tells them of a planet where the jedi have been hiding vandar and others. kevar was already on dantooine, not killed by krea, her plain.

4. The Hint- during a dream the exile sees kreia, she tells him something that he must do she tells him there is a planet where they must go and he will find out that revan his back to his olds ways. the exile keeps things silent about his dream but tells them he feels something from that planet. they go there.

5. The Ambush- when they get there they feel a bad feeling and that is when they seperate. revan and the exile go to the planet while kevar and vandar stay on the planet. revan and the exile split up to cover the ruins of this old planet. a sith lord appears and fights with revan, revan and the lord fight for a while and revan gets cut from the sith on his arm and becomes wounded. then the ebon hawk lands and carth and bastilla in their seaching meet with vandar revan gets on the hawk and the exile is left there.

im lost from there i've been thinking of a plot like this for a long time, unrealistic, its what i want

DarthOxyClean
06-14-2006, 03:41 PM
i think that the exile is needed in the last game

who said it had to be the last game? Obsidian? LucasArts? I don't even recall them even announcing KOTOR 3. Kotor has the potential and momentum to go for 5 games. Making it 3 games would make it one of the best trilogys ever for ome people, but making it five games would widen the story and fill all of the gaps left over from KOTOR 2. Obsidian cant squeeze all of the gaps into one game if they want that one game to have its own plot. Inserting the gaps separately into 3 games would allow the 3 games to let their own plots evolve.

(i will continue this post on the next one i post, because my computer freezes up everytime i try to post the entire post :headbump)

Ok, sorry about that. *curses at computer*

(the following is one of Shem's ideas, so give him the credit; and dont kill me shem)
At the begining of KOTOR 3, the game should ask you questions, such as:

Was Revan DS or LS?
Was Bastila killed?
Was Exile LS or DS?
etc.

(the following is my idea that i got after hearing shem's idea)

These are a few plots for the begining of KOTOR 3.

If Exile was LS:
Exile created a new jedi order and Council between KOTOR 2 and 3.

If Exile was LS and Revan was LS:
Revan returns from the Unknown Space and tells the Council about the True sith, telling them that the True Sith are going to attack the Galaxy

If Exile was LS and Revan was DS:
Revan returns with the True Sith and/or the powers of the True Sith, leading an attack on the galaxy.

If Exile was DS:
The Exile created a new Sith Order, with him leading them.

If Exile was DS and Revan was LS:
Revan Returns to Known Space to warn the jedi about the True Sith, but finds none left, instead encountering The Exile and his Sith.

If Exile was DS and Revan was DS:
Revan returns to Known Space leading True Sith against the galaxy, and fights with Exile.

These are just for the begining plot of KOTOR 3, not the entire plot.

And i realize i may have broken a rule by posting like this, but it was the only was i could get my thoughts down in this thread.

I would seriously start looking at your computer there, as your posts are nowhere near the limits and your freezing issue might be that you have some sort of spyware/malware on your computer. I combined your posts. -RH

*Atris*
06-14-2006, 03:51 PM
Though i do want kotor to continue after kotor 3, i do not think they should continue involving this story, as by the time they get to the last game where they have to use the 4 previous characters we created. its going to be hard enough incorporating exile and revan and the new pc in the 3rd.

darth_yoda2828
06-15-2006, 08:44 PM
I have a distinct feeling that you are only going to meet Revan in the very beginning of the game. It would make a lot of sense for Revan to die at the hands of someone-most likely the true Sith. Maybe a cool cutscene of Revan being destroyed, and you have to follow in his wake. S/He could even have cryptic last words that are the key to destroying the True Sith or something. Revan is much too important to just be "dead" at the start of the 3rd game. The entire second game was riddled with hints about Revan, and it is specifically mentioned that he went to the Unknown Regions. Revan won't survive K3, imho, but he shoudl be alive for at least a quarter of the game.