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The Doctor
10-25-2005, 08:35 PM
I've noticed that most people who comment here do so under the impression that KotOR III will be the last KotOR game. Is there solid evidence of this? If so, what is it? If the idea remains popular, will they keep making more, not necessarily based on Revan? Will they kill the franchise, like so many games before it?

lukeiamyourdad
10-25-2005, 08:41 PM
No confirmation of anything, but people would rather let the serie die in a glorious third opus rather then see it stretched out and die in shame.

Maybe we'll see another SW RPG in the future, but one thing is for sure, most of us would rather see the end of Revan's story and perhaps the Knights of the Old Republic timeline too after they complete the trilogy.

SITHSLAYER133
10-25-2005, 08:54 PM
i agree let it go out on a high note then die a slow slow death

Achilles
10-25-2005, 10:06 PM
No way. I'm hopeful that KotOR will be a going concern, however that depends on the strength of the story and profitability of the franchise. There is more than sufficient EU material to carry forward, however LA will need to tap talented developers and writers to keep things alive.

You might have noticed my obvious contempt for what I call the "SW:KotOR - The Third Time" theory (where all the game one characters refuse to die even though they've outlived their usefullness). This stems from a strong feeling that if LA wants to carry this into a long-term series, they need to break their ties with Revan ASAP. Begin seeding a new story line now and transition away from the first game completely.

I think the next game will be a clear indicator of where LA wants to go. If K3 is still strongly Revan-centric, and they end the game without any foreshadowing toward a K4, then we can safely predict that the series will die with the third installment.

fresnosmokey02
10-25-2005, 11:29 PM
As far as K3 goes I would like to see the Revan/true sith story wrapped up and ended. As far as KOTOR as a franchise goes, they have thousands of years to play with. Why limit the time period. They could start a new trilogy or several single episode games or whatever. Even if they used the same time period, it's a big galaxy. There could be epic stories from jedi and sith that we haven't heard yet.

IndianaSolo
10-26-2005, 12:41 AM
It's because people view the KOTOR games as a "trilogy", despite the fact we don't know for sure if a)it actually will be a trilogy and b)if there is even going to be a KOTOR 3.

I'm with the people who want KOTOR to end after III, then move on to a different era to base the next series on.

RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 12:46 AM
Ah, that is why you don't like that idea Achilles. I usually think of KotOR III as being the end of the trilogy; I think that they should make more RPGs, around that timeline, but I think that K3 should wrap up Revan, the Exile, and whoever. I would really like to see more games about that time period though.

Aleggy
10-26-2005, 05:44 AM
ok if they make kotor then end of this paricular trilogy so be it, but you never know they may make a prequal trilogy making the first game the fourth game etc

or they might start a new trilogy called knights of the new republic, or just plain knights of the republic, they might even do a 3rd/1st person shooter based on the mandolorian wars

my point is even if they end this trilogy, the name probably wont die like all things star wars if theres money in it they'll probably find a way to flog it that have nothing to do with the original idea

Kensai
10-26-2005, 07:04 AM
That's the problem though Aleggy, it becomes a dead horse and is spat at by folk like us. K3 then no more.

Ztalker
10-26-2005, 07:04 AM
Personally, i think it will be a trilogy, and k3 will be the end of THIS one.

But remember: The Old Republic stretches itself long. From far before Exar Kun, utnil the events of Episode 3. I think LA can make some really cool games about the jedi history/future.

Isn't Knights of the New Republic a good idea?

Vladimir-Vlada
10-26-2005, 07:55 AM
I believe that the story WILL end with KOTOR 3, because stretching it beyond will ruin it and destroy it. After that... Maybe an RPG where you are Luke Skywalker and so...

Prime
10-26-2005, 09:44 AM
It's because everyone wants everything wrapped up in one game...

fresnosmokey02
10-26-2005, 01:00 PM
It's because everyone wants everything wrapped up in one game...

Well we have had a beginning and a middle, now for the ending.

The Doctor
10-26-2005, 05:04 PM
Personally, i think it will be a trilogy, and k3 will be the end of THIS one.

But remember: The Old Republic stretches itself long. From far before Exar Kun, utnil the events of Episode 3. I think LA can make some really cool games about the jedi history/future.

Isn't Knights of the New Republic a good idea?
Didn't Palpatine say in AOTC that he "would not allow this 3rd Republic, which has survived for over a thousand years...." or something like that?

lukeiamyourdad
10-26-2005, 05:16 PM
Didn't Palpatine say in AOTC that he "would not allow this 3rd Republic, which has survived for over a thousand years...." or something like that?


No. He did not specify any number. He only said "this Republic".

RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 05:44 PM
^^^^
I will confirm that, I think the quote was "I will not allow this Republic..."

I myself have been going on the assumption that K3 will be the last game, which is probably why I don't see the problem of a lot of people returning. While I don't mind having more games in the KotOR time period, in fact I would love that, I think that K3 should wrap up Revan, the Exile, and the New PC. I think that the other games, while they will probably be connected strongly with the KotOR series, should start their own set of villains and heros.

IndianaSolo
10-26-2005, 06:43 PM
I think that the other games, while they will probably be connected strongly with the KotOR series, should start their own set of villains and heros.

They should be as connected to the "Revan saga" as much as KOTOR has been connected to the movies. In other words, just a passing mention without having to rely on it or build a story around it.

Ztalker
10-29-2005, 01:49 PM
I agree...

KOTOR is a great series, and i think that the fans wouldn't like an EA aproach of making a sequel every year.
I tink we liked Kotor ( 1 ) so much, because even Stevie Wonder could see the work that has been put in its development.
But off course, the fans expect more.And lets face it: Kotor 2 was a good game, but it didn't bring enough new stuff compared to K1.
Kotor 2 had no great stories, no cool level build ( shudders cause remembering Telos), and NPC's.

In short terms:
Finish it, and FINISH IT GOOD

Jeff
10-29-2005, 04:02 PM
I have heard rumors that they are only making 3 games. However, if they are smart they will keep making them until they don't make money from them anymore. As long as they keep making them good, I don't care how many they make. I think we'll be able to tell whether they're gonna make another after we see the ending of K3.

RobQel-Droma
10-29-2005, 06:19 PM
As far as continuing on with the same story, no. I think that they would kill the story, and it would be hard to come up with unique ideas that continue the story but keep the game good. I am all for making more RPGs that are around that time period though.

BattleDog
10-29-2005, 06:48 PM
I think III should be the last KOTOR game, as far as RPGs well if they make them well I will buy them.

If they do make a K3 I hope they bring it back to Reven.

Samurai DD
10-29-2005, 07:18 PM
Wow, havent I been absent from this forum a long time. Just saw the new KOTOR III section. So even if you dont care, hello everyone! (Again!)

And I do think K3 Should be the last one. But, they should make more SW RPG's in the future, maybe with a KOTOR similar engine, cause it totally rocks. How about KOTRRROR? (Knights of the really really REALLY old republic.) It would about the foundation of the republic and the jedi order, and you (as always) would be the essential element for this.

Well then, enough rant.

The Doctor
10-29-2005, 08:50 PM
^The Jedi order outdates the Republic by thousands of years, doesn't it? You couldn't do something about the foundation of the Republic and the Jedi order. But that is a good idea.

Samurai DD
10-29-2005, 09:09 PM
Hmmm sorry, screwed up the timeline a little bit, heh. So, you could be one of the Jedi who helps founding the Republic, and having a cataclismic plot thrown in too. Or you could really be one of the founding Jedi Order, being in a Republic-less galaxy would be cool, without any real body of intergalactic law.

Ztalker
10-30-2005, 05:36 AM
only one problem:

Those Jedi weren't using lightsabers...only Viro-blades and stuff...
I don't think LA wan't to take the risk of not puttinh a lightsaber in the game...

The Doctor
10-30-2005, 12:58 PM
^ Agreed. I wouldn't feel like my character was a Jedi if he didn't have a Lightsaber. If you can't use a Lightsaber, I probably won't buy the game.

Aurora Merlow
10-31-2005, 09:08 AM
very true in my eyes Jedi = lightsabre, but other than that its a very good idea, being part of the earliest of the jedi.

Me personally i think Kotor3 should be the last game and that they should wrapp up the Revan story, but there are heaps of great stories around the time and even about Revan and the Exile. I know they are fan fiction but i've been reading a couple a stories from kotorfanmedia.com and they are pretty good

IndianaSolo
10-31-2005, 01:33 PM
I actually think Lucasarts put themselves in a corner with their decision to allow K2 to continue - in a broad sense - the Revan saga because now K3 has to also, otherwise the whole series might be left with a "huh? where's the conclusion?" feeling to it.

If Lucasarts wanted to make the KOTOR series like Final Fantasy, where they churn out new games every couple of years, then they should have made each individual game separate from one another in terms of storyline.

Hopefully after K3 (assuming K3 is made and wraps up loose ends from TSL) they'll go with that formula or move the series to a new area and storyline. I think that if after K3 we still see Revan and/or the Exile as a big part of the story, it'll be milking the series for all its worth and tarnish it.

RobQel-Droma
10-31-2005, 02:03 PM
Agreed. To just leave us guessing at the earlier games while churning out new ones... it just isn't appealing. They should stop the series of Revan, the Exile, and the new PC in K3, tie everything up, yet leave room for more. Continue on with the events that happened 4000 or so years ago, but make it a different story about a different person in a different time. Make it as close to the earlier games as in "setup", as you want: you have your own spaceship, own nine characters, and its own arrangement of planets or things like that.

Perhaps bring back HK or T3, maybe, but keep it different from the others, so that you can start fresh without answering questions about Revan, the Exile, and whoever else. Bring in some different aspects of the universe, give it a different feeling at times, different planets and species and views. That is what I would want.

Samurai DD
10-31-2005, 04:31 PM
only one problem:

Those Jedi weren't using lightsabers...only Viro-blades and stuff...
I don't think LA wan't to take the risk of not puttinh a lightsaber in the game...

Gotta admit I didn't know that fact.

Well, anyway, a Republic founding story would be great for a second KOTOR trilogy.

JediMaster12
11-10-2005, 04:39 PM
ok if they make kotor then end of this paricular trilogy so be it, but you never know they may make a prequal trilogy making the first game the fourth game etc

or they might start a new trilogy called knights of the new republic, or just plain knights of the republic, they might even do a 3rd/1st person shooter based on the mandolorian wars

my point is even if they end this trilogy, the name probably wont die like all things star wars if theres money in it they'll probably find a way to flog it that have nothing to do with the original idea


Sounds interesting just the third one to end with a bang like the original series then go forward again

Amor
11-10-2005, 06:30 PM
Revan is a boring theme. LucasArts should make KotOR3 to finish TSL from KotOR1 through KotOR2. And not make more KotOR games.

But don't get me wrong, I love the whole KotOR thing, the games are great. I just want LucasArts to finish the series off when they are at the top.

If this happens, LucasArts should make a new RPG game, with new characters, a new setup and a new SL.

RobQel-Droma
11-10-2005, 07:05 PM
I didn't think Revan was a boring theme. I was him :D. They should finish up both the Exile and Revan, and you, of course.

Amor
11-10-2005, 08:24 PM
and you, of course.

Wtf is that supposed to mean?

And, by the way, I did not say that Revan WAS a boring theme, I said it IS.

By that, I mean that it's old news.

Axe Windu
11-10-2005, 08:42 PM
After this that should be it. If they make a koto4 it should be a prequal mayeb during the actual mandalorian wars or it should be like 1000 years in the future but still 3000 years before episode 1.

Amor
11-10-2005, 09:16 PM
Yeah, I agree... The madalorian war we've heard so much about should becoma a very important factor in the ''last'' KotOR...

Amor
11-10-2005, 09:17 PM
Sorry 'bout the grammar, *should BE a very inportant factor in the ''last'' KotOR

RobQel-Droma
11-10-2005, 10:25 PM
Wtf is that supposed to mean?

I was talking about you in KotOR III, the new PC.

And, by the way, I did not say that Revan WAS a boring theme, I said it IS.

By that, I mean that it's old news.

I know. Maybe I should have said Revan isn't a boring theme. Because, as I said, I was him :D. I wasn't boring then, and I'm not boring now. :giggle1:

Amor
11-11-2005, 08:12 AM
Hehe, just the same theme seen from different point of view, let's close that discussion now...

Darth InSidious
11-11-2005, 08:23 AM
KIII should be the epic end of the Revan/Exile trilogy. It should have the saga-like quality of the original, IMO....

Ztalker
11-11-2005, 08:26 AM
@ Samurai DD: i never said it was a bad idea :) I actually like it. You know who Exar Kun's master was? A Aquilish-guy with a stick! He bashed the sh*t out of Exar. I like the idea of founding the republic, and battles are won by the Force, and not by a lightsaber...

To bad LA won't think that way...

They made it almost impossible to make a SW game without a lightsaber....


But back to the topic....

Someone else mentioned a Final Fantasy type of series.
Great idea. I would love to see the jedi order evolve, in different era's with different characters.

Prime
11-11-2005, 09:43 AM
They made it almost impossible to make a SW game without a lightsaber....Sadly...

I'd love to see another X-Wing-ish game or something where you play a Han Solo type character...

Amor
11-11-2005, 04:27 PM
I know. Maybe I should have said Revan isn't a boring theme. Because, as I said, I was him :D. I wasn't boring then, and I'm not boring now. :giggle1:

Everyone who ever played K1 ended up as Revan. You ARE Revan throughout the whole game, it just gets more obvious to your character as TSL develops, so; bad argument...

Ztalker
11-13-2005, 07:10 AM
@ Prime: Same here...i actually bought a Gamecube (seeks cover) for Rogue Squadron 2 and 3. They where great games. Just great. But i also liked the Jedi Knight games.
Did you know LA even putted lightsabers in Rogue Squadron3.....it's really sad..

ArmyAJ
11-16-2005, 01:43 PM
I agree with K3 being the last of the Revan Saga, however I think the time period of the next saga should be foward, not backwards. There are alot of years to gap between KotOR and the original SW Trilogies.

at528
11-16-2005, 05:30 PM
I, for one, wanted the second one to be in a different time (a thousand years after KOTOR or something.) Now they almost have to finish the Revan series.

As far as the time period of the next one, it doesn't matter much. I might actually prefer it being set prior to the current series - or after ROTJ. Either way gives alot more freedom in terms of the story. If it's in between KOTOR and Ep 1, we know the Republic won't fall and such.

Setting it several hundred years after ROTJ could be really cool, having a new threat (not the Sith) emerge...

...but now I'm rambling....