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RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 11:32 AM
Well, since there have been discussions about whether to play as Revan/the Exile, or play as a new PC, I wondered what most people think. I would go for a new PC, I am not going to explain all my reasons, I just think it would be better; You start off with a "blank sheet" so to speak, you don't have to worry about the level of your character, or his items (he wouldn't have any :D), and you would choose your alignment as you went along, instead of choosing it at the beginning in the menu.

Achilles
10-26-2005, 12:02 PM
New PC. The logistics of making the other two choices work are just too much. It doesn't make sense story-wise. It doesn't make sense gamplay-wise. It doesn't make sense.

Make it Revan's love child. Make it the Exile's second cousin. Just make it a new PC.

spinkle
10-26-2005, 12:12 PM
heh...the Exile's second cousin.

New PC, definitely. i'd hate to see this franchise end up with a Link or Samus Aran legacy PC since one of the most interesting aspects of TSL is that you aren't Revan. I've played the Exile, it's time to move on. And Achilles is right, it's a logistic nightmare to perpetuate either character.

Kensai
10-26-2005, 12:42 PM
New PC, but definately Revan and Exile should be important NPC's in the story. Evenif they aren't we should expect some deep information about them and what has happened. Or maybe, like TSL, you choose the path Revan and the Exile took via cunning selective dialogue options.

fresnosmokey02
10-26-2005, 02:03 PM
New PC. I think Revan and Exile should be goals, prizes, something to reach to learn something new. I don't think they should be party members, just people you run into on your journey.

TheExileReturns
10-26-2005, 02:18 PM
New PC, and it think it should be a person who is being trained by the new council of Jedi on Telos.(Assuming you played a light side character.)

I think, between the blending of Echani combat learned from Atton and Handmaiden as well as Visas' knowledge (force sight etc) and Bao-Dur's Technical expertise, This new NPC would be a formidable Jedi to go look for Revan and the Exile possibley with the help of Mira (she's good at tracking people) and the droids T3 and HK47. Of course, the Ebon Hawk would be yours again, because the Exile would not have taken it much like Revan did not.

If you played a dark side character, it would be possibley Korriban and you would be trained by Visas and whoever else was left from the Kotor II party if they became Sith and served the Exile.

spinkle
10-26-2005, 02:25 PM
heh...TheExileReturns would prefer a new pc.

TheExileReturns
10-26-2005, 02:33 PM
Yes, the Exile will return, but as an NPC like Revan

spinkle
10-26-2005, 02:38 PM
oh, i agree, i was just making a sarcastic notation.

Shem
10-26-2005, 02:50 PM
Opps, I pick the wrong one. I meant to pick new PC, but I accidently picked Revan. Oh well. Gotta be a new PC on a mission to find Revan. Hopefully Bastila gets involved and possibly Carth.

IndianaSolo
10-26-2005, 06:37 PM
New PC. Without question. In fact, I won't even play K3 if Revan or the Exile was the PC again. Not because I don't like them, but because it would limit what can be done with the characters.

Vladimir-Vlada
10-26-2005, 07:45 PM
If you ask me, I'd prefer to see both Revan and Ry'ghol back as PC's and NPC's, but I wouldn't mind a new one much.

Personally, I would like all three... Heh! I beat you all. :D

The Doctor
10-26-2005, 08:04 PM
^ Who is Ry'ghol?
New PC. Revan or the Exile being the PC character wouldn't work.

RobQel-Droma
10-26-2005, 09:15 PM
I think that is like the True Sith name for "the Exile" or something like that.

Personally, I think that if we aren't playing as Revan or the Exile, which I don't thing we will, we won't see them as party members. We might meet them, but not as party members.

Achilles
10-26-2005, 09:56 PM
New PC, and it think it should be a person who is being trained by the new council of Jedi on Telos.(Assuming you played a light side character.) Man oh man. This has to be one of the best K3 ideas that I've seen.

You start off at the Academy at Telos (nice tie in with TSL). Atris is gone (because she could have died in the last game), but the Jedi are struggling to rebuild and there are other Masters there to train you. Being a Jedi Academy with Jedi and Sith artifacts, it would make a great lead in for LS and DS play. Because it was a planet from TSL, they can tie the games together without having to resurrect Dantooine or Korriban.

Major kudos to you. I think you're definitely on to something.

Alkonium
10-26-2005, 10:58 PM
My idea is that you play as Revan's Padawan/Sith Apprentice. At the beginning, the Ebon Hawk crashlands on whatever planet Revan and his/her Padawan/Sith Apprentice. The Exile gets out and says "Revan, is that you?", then you can say "No, I'm his Padawan learner", "No, I'm her Padawan learner", "No, I'm his Sith Apprentice" or "No, I'm her Sith Apprentice", also determining Revan's Gender and Alignment. Although Revan can still change alignments.

redleaderwedge
10-27-2005, 12:09 AM
I kind of like that Idea, as that I would like to have both Revan and "The Exile" in my party at some point in the game. Because they're charachters were too deep, and the moment between Carth and The Exile about finding Revan was too hinting to be completel ignored.

RedHawke
10-27-2005, 01:20 AM
Make it Revan's love child. Make it the Exile's second cousin. Just make it a new PC.
I got it! We get to play Revan's sisters, and the Exile's brothers, former roommate! :xp:

Seriously though, New PC for the win! :)

Raynoc
10-27-2005, 02:39 AM
Yeah I picked New Pc too, Just because I like to learn the background
of the PC i am playing. We know most of the stuff that went on with
the Exile and Revan....So New PC for me!

FiEND_138
10-27-2005, 07:08 AM
Agrees with the above.

New PC....

Man I've been saying that a lot lately.........

SITHSLAYER133
10-27-2005, 07:45 AM
not caring i just want the story to finish so i can say i played the best series ever

Vladimir-Vlada
10-27-2005, 09:26 AM
^ Who is Ry'ghol?
I think that is like the True Sith name for "the Exile" or something like that.
Yes, that's how they would be called by the True Sith (I guess). As far as I see it, Revan (according to my dictionary, no necesearily true of course :D ) means "The Destined One" and Ry'ghol means "The Exile".

Doesn't mean that it's ture, but still...

Alkonium
10-27-2005, 09:29 AM
Yes, that's how they would be called by the True Sith (I guess). As far as I see it, Revan (according to my dictionary, no necesearily true of course :D ) means "The Destined One" and Ry'ghol means "The Exile".

Doesn't mean that it's ture, but still...
So you're saying that the Exile would have been known as Darth Ry'ghol

TheExileReturns
10-27-2005, 10:56 AM
I think all of us should be writing for Kotor III, because our ideas are already way better than they had in kotor II.

Vladimir-Vlada
10-27-2005, 04:17 PM
So you're saying that the Exile would have been known as Darth Ry'ghol
Yes, but he would call himself Darth Kane (when he falls to the Dark Side that is).

I think all of us should be writing for Kotor III, because our ideas are already way better than they had in kotor II.
I agree, but still Obsidian made an ending that opens MILLION more possible endings, so they did at least something good with the story.

I have an imagination that Bioware and Obsidian work together on KOTOR 3, and that they hire some people (or volontiers) from their and these Forums to write the scenario for KOTOR 3 and make ideas for improvments for gameplay; otherwise: I'd choose Bioware over Obsidian in less than 1/300000 of a second (the amount of time that requiers light to travel 1 kilometre).

Bastila
10-27-2005, 04:43 PM
I'd want Revan and the Exile they could make it like the last legacy of Kain game where you were Razio and Kain.

Aurora Merlow
10-28-2005, 05:06 AM
hope its Revan but i doubt it will be.

marvidchano
10-28-2005, 09:14 AM
no offence but that sounds borin

RobQel-Droma
10-28-2005, 11:42 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing a game where you play as Revan, but I think they will make a new PC. And I hope so too, I would rather play as someone that hasn't already had his past figured out and has been customized by me.

lonepadawan
10-28-2005, 12:20 PM
Quite frankly, everyone has their own version of Revan. Plus we'd probably have some cheesy reason why he suddenly loses force powers etc..

Plus Revan has become somthing of a fanboy favorite... leave him and the Exile well out of it I say..

Cyl
10-28-2005, 01:04 PM
I was actually thinking of a non-jedi main character, coming with none jedi prestige classes, and so on

RobQel-Droma
10-28-2005, 01:12 PM
I hope you want a Jedi character coming, cause there is going to be one. I think it would be cool to be a "republic commando" type of character like I mentioned somewhere else, perhaps commando as prestiege of soldier, but we are going to get force powers, it is a fact. That is what the game is about.

Clone L68362
10-29-2005, 02:10 AM
Revan FTW. Be quiet Rob :)

RedHawke
10-29-2005, 04:24 AM
I was actually thinking of a non-jedi main character, coming with none jedi prestige classes, and so on
Then why call the game Knights of the Old Republic? :rolleyes:

Cyl
10-29-2005, 01:56 PM
Then why call the game Knights of the Old Republic? :rolleyes:

well it aint called Jedis of the old republic either ...

but yeah you're right

RobQel-Droma
10-29-2005, 02:20 PM
I am quiet clone :D.

And Cyl, it isn't called Jedi of the Old Republic, you are right, but you can also say Jedi KNIGHTS too. Hence, Knights of the Old Republic; What other knights would there be?

Samurai DD
10-29-2005, 08:58 PM
I voted Revan, but as my close second choice, it would be a New PC related to Revan. The exile should be an important NPC but not the PC.

But it would be great having Revan closing the story. Its gotta be greater than the Star Forge, bigger than Malachor... And Revan's gotta be there, PC or NPC.

Cyl
10-30-2005, 12:37 PM
What about the main characters change during the storyline?

Likewise you define Revan's and Exile's Looks/Alignment/Romances/whatever with a new character, and later during the storyline you come to play Revan/Exile with the setting you have created, affecting which partymembers/forcepowers/Romance/Attributes, Feats, abilities/ and so on.

So for instance the dialogue option "I have heard that he was a fierce fighter", "Rumors say that he never had to draw his lightsaber, he fully relied on the force" and whatever I aint good at creating such things... these dialogues leading to more or less predifined characters.

like it was done in Kotor 2, just a bit more indepth. Probably spread over several hours of gameplay.

So probably the only thing that would have to be chosen at the beginning would be Revan's/Exile's/NewChar's Name if at all

RobQel-Droma
10-30-2005, 12:46 PM
I hope you are not saying that the setting of Revan and the Exile will take several hours of gameplay.

But anyways, I find it doubtful that the Exile and Revan will be party members or PCs, just because while you will be able to choose alignment and gender, and possibly face and class, they will still be different as in force powers and feats. Good idea though.

Clone L68362
10-30-2005, 12:58 PM
I had a cool idea. If we play as Revan (which I want to but bet won't happen) then since you most likely hit it off with Bastila in K1, and both games so far have included romance with a character, in 3 they could have a charcter fall in love with you, but you can refuse her and make her fall to the dark side (extreme maybe, I dunno she's also had a bad life). Good change of pace right?

TheExileReturns
10-31-2005, 02:18 PM
How about the PC in Kotor III is the child (grown up of course) of Jolee Bindo. We never know if he had kids. That would be a nice plot twist and very Star Wars like. We could also find out what ever happened to old Jolee. Perhaps Revan would recognise the child as Jolee's offspring or perhaps Jolee's kid would not know who their true father was and this would be revealed to them later in the game?

IndianaSolo
10-31-2005, 02:50 PM
How about the PC in Kotor III is the child (grown up of course) of Jolee Bindo. We never know if he had kids. That would be a nice plot twist and very Star Wars like. We could also find out what ever happened to old Jolee. Perhaps Revan would recognise the child as Jolee's offspring or perhaps Jolee's kid would not know who their true father was and this would be revealed to them later in the game?

That would be terrible. It would mean the only race you could choose would be a black man or woman. Already you're alienating the majority of gamers who like to use the white or asian looking templates, not to mention you're not giving people the freedom to create their own character.

Samurai DD
10-31-2005, 05:37 PM
How about the PC in Kotor III is the child (grown up of course) of Jolee Bindo. We never know if he had kids. That would be a nice plot twist and very Star Wars like. We could also find out what ever happened to old Jolee. Perhaps Revan would recognise the child as Jolee's offspring or perhaps Jolee's kid would not know who their true father was and this would be revealed to them later in the game?

I think that's a great idea. But I agree with IndianaSolo. But Jolee's partner could have been anyone, so the kid can be white, asian, or whatever like his mom. Not genetically feasible, but you get teh point.

RobQel-Droma
10-31-2005, 06:45 PM
But it wouldn't make sense for a pale white skinned human to be the offspring of Jolee. It just would be a little bit to wierd. I vote against being any of the earlier characters offspring.

Samurai DD
11-01-2005, 08:58 PM
There a lot of exceptions to that, you know. I have seen african people with blue eyes, because they have parents of both races. If you combine a caucasian with an african american, you could get anything.

†Saint_Killa†
11-02-2005, 01:06 AM
why not start as a new one not an offspring from older NPC's...

I just don't feel like it's good for me... well for me but for you guys... don't let me get in your way

but any way it connects the game

Darthrevan_3
11-02-2005, 11:17 AM
yea i think that the PC shud be the offspring of someone u meet in the game, depending on what color of character u choose in the begining.

eg: If ur white, then u r Carth and Bastila's kid, if ur black, like TheExileReturns
said, u wud be the child of Jolee or sumthing like that.:)

JediFanatic10
11-02-2005, 11:33 AM
I kind of like that Idea, as that I would like to have both Revan and "The Exile" in my party at some point in the game. Because they're charachters were too deep, and the moment between Carth and The Exile about finding Revan was too hinting to be completel ignored.

man if you have both of those jedi in your party whats the point of having any other party members, because all you need for total domination is the three right there. Definately a bad choice unless you join up at the end to take on the True Dark Lord.

JediFanatic10
11-02-2005, 11:36 AM
Maybe even be the son of Revan looking for his father, with his power bestowed within you and you can also find him through the force ultimately leading you to eachother, and whether you fight him/join him/ etc. is up in the air

RobQel-Droma
11-02-2005, 12:02 PM
^Revan can be female you know, and if she was DS then that would mean: dead Carth = no kids.

TheExileReturns
11-02-2005, 10:29 PM
You're not considering the fact that Jolee's wife could have been alien (Twilek, Zabrak, Cathaar, Miraluka etc.) The child could be half human/ half whatever, assuming they could interbreed. I don't see why the race should be an issue with your PC being the child of Jolee.

Darthrevan_3
11-02-2005, 10:44 PM
I once again agree with The Exile Returns, and Jolee's wife cud be anything, and I mean anything...sweet :naughty: but the PC cud be anybody u meet in the game's offspring. Me and my sister have created 2 characters and a planet, so we cud use them two. :cowdance :cowdance

RobQel-Droma
11-02-2005, 11:46 PM
So we are going to be Mr. Bindo. Quarter black, quater asian, quarter twi-lek, and quarter whatever. Uh-uh, no. And if we are going on genetically possible, isn't it genetically IMpossible to breed with a different species, as in aliens? If not, well then, we could be anything. Twi-Lek, Miraluka, Trandoshan. So what if they put the option to be an alien in, you would only be half alien. Some half-breed human with the start of headtails half growing out of their head, or something worse :xp:.

Why not be Juhani's child? Or Canderous's? Or Mission's? Look at it this way. What about those people that went to Kashyyyk last because of Jolee? You might be causing a lot of people to be disgusted at being his child, instead of being a totally new PC without any known parents.

The fact is, while it might be genetically possible for their to be a round-shaped faced pale white person to be the son of a black square-shaped face person, it would be strange anyways. It would definitely not be common, and it would be very wierd. It might be able to happen, but only in a long shot, and it wouldn't make sense for some people.

Blaze629
11-03-2005, 12:42 AM
New PC for me.

Prime
11-03-2005, 11:43 AM
You're not considering the fact that Jolee's wife could have been alien (Twilek, Zabrak, Cathaar, Miraluka etc.) The child could be half human/ half whatever, assuming they could interbreed. I don't see why the race should be an issue with your PC being the child of Jolee.At most his wife could only be what is refered to as near-human. Other species are just that, other species. So that means there can be no cross-breeding because the genetics are too different. So if the PC is alien, that eliminates romantic plotlines with human characters.

Personally I don't think that is the way to go.

RedHawke
11-04-2005, 12:31 AM
Other species are just that, other species. So that means there can be no cross-breeding because the genetics are too different. So if the PC is alien, that eliminates romantic plotlines with human characters.
While it is quite true that genetically two members of a different alien species would not likely be able to have children (Gene Rodenberry's universes excepted), this certainly does not remove any possibility of romance between them. As long as both cultures have similar concepts of love, etc. And are physically compatable.*

Just my 2 cents! ;)

* Last line added for LIAYD! :xp:

lukeiamyourdad
11-04-2005, 12:41 AM
As long as both cultures have similar concepts of love, etc.


I dunno. Possible I guess, but it would weird when they...you know...try to do...stuff...

To each his own I guess :p

Ahem...well, except for females twi'leks. They're just hot and cool :D

RobQel-Droma
11-04-2005, 12:02 PM
I dunno. Possible I guess, but it would weird when they...you know...try to do...stuff...

To each his own I guess :p

Ahem...well, except for females twi'leks. They're just hot and cool :D

That top line is one of the problems I have about playing as an alien. What if you were a Kel Dor Revan and Bastila, you know, kissed you? That would be really wierd.

ydroj
11-05-2005, 08:06 AM
For KotOR 3, I want to be the new PC. Because the developer of KotOR 3 should have made a choice about the road The Exile walks. Light or Dark....The same as they did in KotOR 2, where Revan walked the path of the Dark Side. Otherwise your going to start with someone who hasn't chosen yet. That is how you play KotOR. And that should be weird, considering you chose already in KotOR 1 & 2. Another fact is that you are already very strong in the Force and you couldn't choose as much powers as we did in KotOR 1 & 2. So KotOR 3 must be with a new PC.

†Saint_Killa†
11-05-2005, 08:36 AM
That top line is one of the problems I have about playing as an alien. What if you were a Kel Dor Revan and Bastila, you know, kissed you? That would be really wierd.

OMG, that's really weird two Kel-Dor's kssing each other?! They cover their mouths. If they removed that I say it's the most disgusting and slimy kissing scene in the world.

No alien's for me.

Darthrevan_3
11-05-2005, 12:37 PM
:rofl: :rofl: that seen wud be SO FRIGGIN" FUNNY

I'd wet myself if i saw that.. :rofl: Imagine if it was like, Zoid burg or sumthing..

Srry if u haven't seen Futurama, Zoidburg is a crab.
:rofl:

RobQel-Droma
11-05-2005, 03:13 PM
OMG, that's really weird two Kel-Dor's kssing each other?! They cover their mouths. If they removed that I say it's the most disgusting and slimy kissing scene in the world.

No alien's for me.

Well, actually I was talking about a Kel-Dor and Bastila (human) kissing. But it would still be disgusting either way. :)

Sabretooth
11-06-2005, 07:24 AM
How about we play as Revan and Exile's children?

New PC. :)

The Doctor
11-06-2005, 05:04 PM
^You can reject Bastila. That wouldn't be an original idea.
I think they should drop the romance thing altogether, but they probably won't.

RobQel-Droma
11-06-2005, 09:09 PM
The chances of them dropping the romance is probably about the same as getting rid of the Hawk, or the two droids. Its been there, its probably going to stay.

JediMaster12
11-08-2005, 05:04 PM
The chances of them dropping the romance is probably about the same as getting rid of the Hawk, or the two droids. Its been there, its probably going to stay.

I agree even if some of the romance plots sound cheesy


Still I voted accidently for Revan but I would rather have a new PC. Just as long as the background makes sense. I went through the game TSL several times and still didn't make a good connection to where the Exile was coming from :racer: :saberb:

deathdisco
11-08-2005, 05:37 PM
I would think the new PC would be an apprentice of one of the Exile's old crew. Kreia did say that she foresaw they would become the basis of the new Jedi order in the final confrontation.

RobQel-Droma
11-08-2005, 06:29 PM
^I would actually rather have Bastila as your master.

The people from K2 and the others from K1 should all make cameos; Not all of them, of course, people like Juhani, Zaalbar, maybe Mission, and some from K2 probably shouldn't be there. Juhani could have been killed and it wouldn't have depended on Revan's alignment the first time; Anyways, she wasn't that much of an important character. Same for Zaalbar, he isn't important enough for the devs to try and fit him in there.

Samurai DD
11-08-2005, 08:04 PM
But he is a Wookie! Wookies rule!!! He can't die!

The Doctor
11-08-2005, 08:15 PM
^Chewbacca died.
But you're right, Zalaar shouldn't die. THAT WOULD SUCK!

Samurai DD
11-08-2005, 08:17 PM
I know he died, but that was crappy EU... I like EU but they shouldn't have killed Chewie. Anyways, it took a moon to take the furry guy out. Wookies rule!

Anathema78
11-08-2005, 10:03 PM
I voted 'Dont really care'.
I can see why most people would want a new PC but it gets a little repetitive starting at lvl 1 all the time. We can all predict it already.

First level you're a normal person with no knowledge of the force. You're under attack from some enemy. You survive, meet a jedi master who trains you to become a jedi.
You become a jedi in record time and go off to the unexplored regions in search of Revan and the Exile even though you're hopelessly inexperienced, while all the other jedi masters just sit on their arses in some Enclave.

You know that's what it's gonna be like! :P

RobQel-Droma
11-08-2005, 10:07 PM
I never said that Zaalbar should die, I just said he shouldn't be in there. Personally, WOOKIEES RULE!!!!!! For Chewie to die was just heartbreaking.... That *sniff* poor, poor Wookiee *sniff*....

I was just saying that he wasn't that important enough to make a cameo. But we need a Wookiee. Probably the most recurring things in KotOR are 1)Ebon Hawk, 2) T3, 3) HK, 4)A Wookiee. We need all four to come back.

EDIT: But, Anathema, it doesn't have to be repetitive. It would be nice if it was a bit different twist on things, although I have a feeling that it will be like you said. But the complications of making you be Revan/Exile again are just... Well, I doubt it could be done and make a good story.

Anathema78
11-08-2005, 10:26 PM
I agree with the Revan/Exile thing. I'd like the PC to start at maybe lvl 5 or something, as an already established jedi. A lot of people have said how they'd like to start the game with a lightsaber.

With the first two games they could justify the PC getting so strong so soon because they had previously been jedi and suffered the old amnesia thing.
If they pull that trick again with a new PC... :launcher:

RedHawke
11-09-2005, 01:04 AM
I'd like the PC to start at maybe lvl 5 or something, as an already established jedi.
You can be level 1 and an "established" Jedi. Starting the game beyond level one is unacceptable. Do not discern level as a statement of capability. ;)

Example: Bastila was less than level 4 when she boarded Revan's flagship and confronted Revan.

Darth InSidious
11-09-2005, 11:23 AM
Revan.
Ditch the Exile. He had ziltch to him/her.
Ditch new pc, or the story will never actually progress, but will stay in the opening chapters for the next twenty games.....

RobQel-Droma
11-09-2005, 11:29 AM
No it won't, it can progress. Think about K1, it had an ending. They could have stopped right there, nothing wrong with it. K2, well, a little different. Opened up some new things. But still, they can resolve it all in K3 and finish it up, it wouldn't be that hard. Make it a longer game if you have to. Besides, I am not counting on their being twenty games of this KotOR series, I think that KotOR III will be the ender. Maybe not the last KotOR RPG, but the end of Revan and the Exile.

deathdisco
11-09-2005, 05:38 PM
^^^
Yup, Should be the last one about Revan/Exile. Could you imagine trying to keep track of all the possible endings for more than three games. It would be a nightmare for the developer.

Harmor
11-09-2005, 06:56 PM
I voted for new PC. There could be evidence of Revan/The Exile doing stuff in the regions beyond the outer rim that needs investigation, so the Jedi council sends a Jedi (player) out to check it out. Heck, we could even get Revan and the Exile as the main villains in Kotor III... or another villain who has some sort of influence over them. Whatever the case, I hope they will bring back the option to tell the game how you played the previous installments (light/dark, male/female for both Revan and the Exile). When I first saw that in Kotor 2 I thought it was pretty cool. I am against using the Exile or Revan as PC again cause how would you justify each of em to start at level 1 again? Loss of power? Been there, done that to be honest. I would like to see Kotor III have you begin as a Jedi right away and to prove yourself to the council and finalize your training, they would send you on this mission.

Joe©
11-10-2005, 01:30 PM
New PC for sure. I just hope they have better player models than TSL.

Engma48
11-19-2005, 05:18 PM
my thoughts on this are that it shouldnt be either revan or the exile.....
i think that it should just have a seperate story from revans or the exiles. i mean it could mention them or they could have a cameo in the game but leave them out of it this time around, because the Knights of the Old Republic isnt just a story about these people. its another chapter of the star wars universe.

XA-R01
11-20-2005, 07:48 AM
I want to vote for Revan.
I mean, think about it, Bioware's could do it with BG2, why not with Kotor3?
It would be cool to once again play as Revan and continuing his/her adventures as this will be the closing storyline of Revan (i think).
Think of it as Metar Gear Solid series, first you play as Snake, 2nd as Raiden, and 3rd back as Snake.

ilwugoalie
11-20-2005, 11:55 AM
I guess I should say I dont really care cause I would like to play as those mentioned. but I must say, I would prefrer a new character with cameos from Exile and Revan. this story has been running around Revan, and The Exile did take off after him. At some point in the game and cant see them not being in it. But definatly want to play the better part of the game as a new PC

JediMaster12
11-23-2005, 03:43 PM
Good suggestion and I hope Lucas Arts listens to you.

Liit Orda
11-29-2005, 07:55 PM
I'd love a new character, but definately bring news of Revan and the Exile's whereabouts and activities.

JediMaster12
11-30-2005, 09:08 PM
Appeasement: Please tell this to Lucas Arts
Eager threat: It is most unforunate should they change too many things.

Signing Off

Nuitari_28
12-04-2005, 12:31 PM
New PC FTW
(Wow iv been playing to much WOW (World of Warcraft))
You start off as a new PC getting raped in an alley by a drunken cabdriving zen master and then you fall into a trashcan and eat some readybreak that turns you into a jedi/sith god depending if it was warm or cold. You then realise that the readybreak packet contained a free lightsbaer which you batter the cab driver swearing revenge on cabdrivers everywhere and then you find out Revan was a cabdriver (Dun, Dun, Dun). Using your godly sith/jedi powers you procede to spank these true sith around the room forcing them to eat frosties instead of readybreak and then you finish revan off by finding some weaterbix to start the poonage duel of your life where you spank revan around the room. /End Story/

ilwugoalie
12-04-2005, 01:02 PM
^ i'm seeing a story that Mystery science Theatre would love to make fun of.

Darth InSidious
12-04-2005, 05:24 PM
Now, why does Level 1 automatically mean no force power n00b?
I say that level is relative. Example: KotOR: Lots of Jedi, relative tothe galaxy, Revan is level 20. TSL: Few Jedi, Exile is level 50, relative to the galaxy. What I would like to see is that in KotOR III, the True Sith have awakened, so Revan is, relative to their power, level 1.

Just an idea, though ;)

Clone L68362
12-04-2005, 08:45 PM
^That's something like I said, but Rob didn't think it would work. Pah!

Darth InSidious
12-05-2005, 07:36 AM
....And by extension, his FPs would be at level 1 capability, since it's relative...

JediMaster12
12-05-2005, 01:01 PM
Now, why does Level 1 automatically mean no force power n00b?
I say that level is relative. Example: KotOR: Lots of Jedi, relative tothe galaxy, Revan is level 20. TSL: Few Jedi, Exile is level 50, relative to the galaxy. What I would like to see is that in KotOR III, the True Sith have awakened, so Revan is, relative to their power, level 1.

Just an idea, though ;)

You know you sound right. Many though have questioned the logic to having Revan or the Exile at level 1 in KOTOR 3. Maybe that is what the devs are thinking of.

Jae Onasi
12-10-2005, 08:07 PM
Definitely new PC, though I'd sure like to find out what goes on with Revan and the Exile, too.

Vibro
12-10-2005, 09:37 PM
Definitely new PC, though I'd sure like to find out what goes on with Revan and the Exile, too.

Same for me.

Thrad Naver
12-11-2005, 12:04 PM
I voted New PC. But I wouldn't mind if they kept Revan in the game for KOTOR III as a NPC. Maybe even include the Exile if necessary.

master jedi101
12-12-2005, 06:47 PM
I voted for new guy. New stuff history blaa, bla, bla. but i hope their are cameos from all the surviving members of both games as npc or something that would be cool

RobQel-Droma
12-12-2005, 06:53 PM
Now, why does Level 1 automatically mean no force power n00b?
I say that level is relative. Example: KotOR: Lots of Jedi, relative tothe galaxy, Revan is level 20. TSL: Few Jedi, Exile is level 50, relative to the galaxy. What I would like to see is that in KotOR III, the True Sith have awakened, so Revan is, relative to their power, level 1.

You say... What about the party members, they aren't going to be super are they? Because if they aren't, then they will get slaughtered. If Revan gets too about level forty or fifty, they would have to be that too, just for them to be "level one" in KotOR III.

And what you are saying is that you are never going to come out of the Unknown Regions; otherwise, you would kill regular Sith Masters in one attack.

XA-R01
12-13-2005, 01:11 PM
I vote for Revan.

I think the real story of Revan is his redemption. The option to go female and DS is just for the sake of the game. Imagine Lucas wants to make Kotor into a feature movie, I bet Revan will be male and LS. The LS story have more logic, intrigue, conflict, and drama. Think about what Malak said before he died. "I wonder what would it be if our position was turned, can I returned to the light as you?" At that point, I felt sorry for Malak because I (read: Revan) was the one who lead him to the star forge which eventually corrupted both of Revan and Malak. And from the story of the Star Forge, we know that Star Forge was the thing that corrupted jedi Revan and Malak because it is a tool of the dark side (even though the Rakatans themself didn't have the concept of "Force").

From the above point, i was hoping Kotor2 continuing the journey of Revan. Since its not, then I was hoping Kotor3 will. Just load up the old savegame or for new gamer start at level 15 (like Neverwinter Nights expansion pack) and forget about "what if my revan was female/male DS and kill bastila/carth". Assuming that Revan is a male/female LS and bastila/carth not killed would be more easier to expanded the story to whole new level.

My point is:
1. Load Kotor1 savegame. If you want a new game, choose Revan face and gender and start at level 20. People's life didnt stop just because they became a god-like fighter. You still have to deal with friends, new enemies, new problems, new mystery, and tougher opponent than you. Remember, there's always someone stronger than the strongest one.
2. Assume that Revan is LS so bastila and carth are definetely alive.
3. Perhaps the exile from KotorII can become a sith lord since he/she ended up at level 50 at the end of 2nd game?

about new pc, we can have new pc once the story of revan finished, perhaps on kotor4. think about it, new pc on revan time period? another self-discovery? another amnesia? i dont think so.

just my 2 cents. few things I want to add, but I forgot. maye later. c yaa.

ilwugoalie
12-13-2005, 09:35 PM
If revan and the Exile are to be in the game, they should just have cameos. No playable roles. I would like to see Revan, but dont want to play as him/her.

XA-R01
12-14-2005, 12:51 PM
Guys, I think one of the reason BioWare refuse to make KotorII is because the story of revan is done. Just like James Cameron refuse to make another Terminator movie because the story is done.

Obsidian made a mistake creating KotorII. It shouldn't about Revan, but about new story and new PC. The Exar Kun war or the Great Sith War or the Mandalorian war would become interesting story. Instead they made the story continued from I only with new PC/NPC. The story of KotorII is like the story of Terminator 3, it shouldn't exist but it exist. and it ruins everything.

so now people want to see what become of Revan since K2 open a possibility for new story of Revan (and exile).

if we should have new PC instead of Revan (dont care about exile), I want it to be whole new story. just forget K2 ever existed. or just think of it as alternate realities.

Darth Windu
12-14-2005, 11:03 PM
XA-R01 - that would be like making 'Return of the Jedi' with 'Empire Strikes Back' as an alternate reality.

In the words of Davik "Sorry, but that ain't gonna happen"

JediMaster12
12-16-2005, 12:45 PM
Guys, I think one of the reason BioWare refuse to make KotorII is because the story of revan is done. Just like James Cameron refuse to make another Terminator movie because the story is done.

Obsidian made a mistake creating KotorII. It shouldn't about Revan, but about new story and new PC. The Exar Kun war or the Great Sith War or the Mandalorian war would become interesting story. Instead they made the story continued from I only with new PC/NPC. The story of KotorII is like the story of Terminator 3, it shouldn't exist but it exist. and it ruins everything.

so now people want to see what become of Revan since K2 open a possibility for new story of Revan (and exile).

if we should have new PC instead of Revan (dont care about exile), I want it to be whole new story. just forget K2 ever existed. or just think of it as alternate realities.

You're crazy. Theoretically the story makes sense in that yes Revan defeated Malak and saved or destroyed the Republic but Revan left known space. What happened to the worlds devastated by Malak. TSL gives you the scoop. The Exile learns what happened since it has not been around and finds that Revan is not around so after defeating threat, goes to find Revan. What's the problem with that?

RobQel-Droma
12-16-2005, 01:13 PM
XA-RO1- The main focus is not to make a movie out of it, this is the game. To make KotOR III in a way so that it is easy to make a movie out of it is stupid, the first priority is to make a good game. I doubt that Lucas will make a movie of it, and I don't really care if he doesn't. This is for what you want to play in the game of KotOR III.

And besides, by doing that, you just took the whole good choosing part out of it. One of the best things about KotOR is the multiple paths you can take. And people won't be happy to learn that Revan is automatically something, especially since you could choose what he was in TSL. Think about it this way- A female player puts Revan as a LS female, then in TSL decides to make her a DS female (because she didn't like Carth), then goes to KotOR III and learns that her favorite female LS/DS Revan is now a LS male Revan. No, not good.

if we should have new PC instead of Revan (dont care about exile), I want it to be whole new story. just forget K2 ever existed. or just think of it as alternate realities.

They aren't going to do that. Come on, TSL was good, I don't care if you wanted Revan or not, get over it. TSL was a continuation of a story, and it would be hard to continue on with Revan anyways, there would be many complications. I don't care what you think, they did good making a new PC in TSL. It ain't gonna happen to dismiss it as an "alternate universe." Continue on with a new PC, find Revan and the Exile, keep TSL. If you discard TSL and do what you want it to be, then the whole KotOR series would be crap.

Arátoeldar
12-16-2005, 06:00 PM
A new PC with Bastila as your Jedi Master :drool:

The story should be about the True Sith threat from the Outer Rim to tie everything together.

If they do a KotOR 4 it should be in a completely different time period.

Darca Lar
12-17-2005, 10:09 PM
A new PC would be really good I think since we've done Revan and the Exile and know their backrounds.

jerrome1966
12-18-2005, 01:09 PM
I say a new PC.
I want to find out what happened to Revan and the Exile so they all tie together.

Soogz
12-18-2005, 01:16 PM
Revan. Just because I want to go deeper, into his/her past, and see what happens when he finds the Ancient Sith, etc.

Darca Lar
12-18-2005, 04:19 PM
Well if Revan is just searching for the true sith, it might turn out to be a one track game. Sure it would be nice to see more about Revan after the defeat of Malak, but i dont see it being a long enough game.

XA-R01
12-19-2005, 11:48 AM
They aren't going to do that. Come on, TSL was good, I don't care if you wanted Revan or not, get over it. TSL was a continuation of a story, and it would be hard to continue on with Revan anyways, there would be many complications. I don't care what you think, they did good making a new PC in TSL. It ain't gonna happen to dismiss it as an "alternate universe." Continue on with a new PC, find Revan and the Exile, keep TSL. If you discard TSL and do what you want it to be, then the whole KotOR series would be crap.

I never said TSL was bad. Yes I like K1 more than K2, but the problem is not because i think K2 was bad, but because the story felt "unconnected".

I mean seriously people, if we continue the story of revan from the point of
DS ending, the republic will be crushed since Revan's Sith Empire are invincible (Star Forge + Battle Meditation anyone?). Why he instead go with Bastila to gather the true sith? he already won.

And then there are Sion, Kreia, and Nihilus. Why Darth Revan didn't destroyed them or ask them to join him when he found the Star Forge (before captured by the jedi)? And if we get LS ending, why Revan choose to go after the true sith rather than destroyed Sion, Traya, and Nihilus. He must have known them from his old days as Darth Revan.

Cygnus Q'ol
12-19-2005, 12:40 PM
It has to be a new PC.
Remember, no re-hashing. That leads to the 'stale side'.

Revan should be cameo'd along with some fill-ins on his accomplishments after kotor. Perhaps we even follow his trail for a bit.

Who cares about the Exile. After Malachor and Kreia's end, interest in him diminishes.

JediMaster12
12-21-2005, 02:08 PM
You have the humor dry as a Sith Lord but then again, you sound like an annoyed bounty hunter.
I agree that there should be a new PC but I would like the follow up on both Revan and the Exile after all both have a role to play in the coming war with the True Sith.

RedHawke
12-22-2005, 03:02 AM
Remember, no re-hashing. That leads to the 'stale side'.
:lol:

It has to be a new PC.

Revan should be cameo'd along with some fill-ins on his accomplishments after kotor. Perhaps we even follow his trail for a bit.

Who cares about the Exile. After Malachor and Kreia's end, interest in him diminishes.
Quoted for emphasis! :D

RobQel-Droma
12-22-2005, 03:30 PM
Yes I like K1 more than K2, but the problem is not because i think K2 was bad, but because the story felt "unconnected".

Because Obsidian wasn't given enough time to finish it. If they would, it would have been as good or better than K1.

I mean seriously people, if we continue the story of revan from the point of DS ending, the republic will be crushed since Revan's Sith Empire are invincible (Star Forge + Battle Meditation anyone?). Why he instead go with Bastila to gather the true sith? he already won.

Revan didn't go to "gather" the True Sith, he was their enemy. The reason he left was because he saw a greater threat lying out in the Unknown Regions, and so he went after it. It had nothing to do with gaining more allies, they were the people who had been manipulating everything. I think you need to listen to Kreia more.

And then there are Sion, Kreia, and Nihilus. Why Darth Revan didn't destroyed them or ask them to join him when he found the Star Forge (before captured by the jedi)? And if we get LS ending, why Revan choose to go after the true sith rather than destroyed Sion, Traya, and Nihilus. He must have known them from his old days as Darth Revan.

Kreia wasn't necessarily known to many at that time, and Revan maybe didn't know, or wasn't concerned with her. Besides, as for Nihilus and Sion, did Revan even know about them? Did anyone really know who was in that ship at Malachor V? Had they even revealed themselves? Revan might not have really known everything about them, or he might not have cared; He might have been more focused on the True Sith.

HQ|Delta 07
12-22-2005, 08:53 PM
I think a new PC would be the best. Revan should appear in K3 but not as PC. the Prpblem is, if he's a party member, what's the sound of his/her voice? Maybe Revan find's another robe on the Star Forge and so you see him with that robe. Same thing like Mandalore in K2.


The Qustion is, how will the new PC find the path of Revan? what should be is that he/her should be trained as a Jedi and a lightsaber given. what about that: the fist few hoirs of the game will be your Padawan training to a jedi knight. It would rock if those missions are on Coruscant. I would like coruscant.