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MTV2
11-05-2005, 04:17 PM
So what console are u getting?
post y ur getting it too

personaly, im going w/ PS3, i like the new blu-ray discs and all the formats the PS3 will take( CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE), the graphics are supposed to be superb, its supposed to be faster then the 360, can connect ur PSP, 2 TFLOPS, faster Ethernet, and 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p screen size...

i also think the 360 sux, since u cant use ur old memory card, doesnt take all formats, only up to 4 wireless controllers(PS3 7 wireless) and it doesnt support alot of formats...

(yes i know i didnt put the cons for the PS3 and the pros for the Xbox 360)

Jeff
11-05-2005, 04:38 PM
Though I will probably get 360 also, I'm most looking forward to the Revolution. I think it has the best features and the price is right too (probably $199 or less).

IG-64
11-05-2005, 04:43 PM
Revolution.

Though, i'll be getting PS3 as well, if all goes as planned.

MTV2
11-05-2005, 04:44 PM
i hear the reovolution can play back 20 years of video games(that are in the nintendo format)

somehow u copy them over to a disc and put it in the console...
but im not a huge fan of nintendo :/

RoxStar
11-05-2005, 06:10 PM
Why 7 controllers for PS3? Will it seriously split the screen into sevenths? 4 is the most I can take personally...

Darth Groovy
11-05-2005, 06:38 PM
Oh GOD no. I give this thread less than 24 hours to become battle of the next gen consoles round 2. I'll be watching this one CLOSE.

http://www.themanipulation.com/images/seatbelts.jpg

I've said this thousands of times. Say what you want about consoles and which one you prefer, but at the end of the day, it is the GAMES that sell a console, not vice versa. All of these platforms will have games specifically dedicated to the owner of the system.

I'll break it down easy like this:

RPGs? = PS3
Action/FPS? = XBOX 360
Mario/Zelda fans? = Nintendo Revolution

More "bang for the buck" will probably go to the PS3 which will have three generations of games to play which adds up to a HELL of alot of titles.

Kain
11-05-2005, 06:50 PM
PS3 definently. I've always prefered PS over XBox and I hate Nintendo. I'll end up getting 360, but I'm DEFINENTLY getting PS3 first. So many formats...so many...*drool*

Vikinor
11-05-2005, 07:47 PM
Why can't you vote to get them all? Personally I am more concerned about getting my PS2 and Xbox hooked up with the online stuff before I even get a new console. Yes I'm a little behind the times on that. I did vote PS3 though. It seems to have a lot of interesting games coming out. And the only big titles I've heard for 360 are Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and Halo 3.

TiE23
11-05-2005, 08:24 PM
i also think the 360 sux, since u cant use ur old memory card, doesnt take all formats, only up to 4 wireless controllers(PS3 7 wireless) and it doesnt support alot of formats...
7 player split screen.... Right, when most people would never find themselves in needing more than 4 controllers for a game. Besides, Xbox Live gives the 360 an advantage, so 7 controllers aren't really needed.

And about all of the formats.... who cares? What does it mean for us? I don't need it to play 40 different formats, some I've never even heard of.

I also don't have a memory card for my xbox, thanks to the Hard drive. And you said something about the formats twice.

Lynk Former
11-05-2005, 08:29 PM
I'm going for Revolution, not purely because it's Nintendo, but because it's different. I was really disappointed with the GameCube. Why? Because it was no different from the N64, it was the same thing but more powerful. Same goes for the PS2, about the only one who really brought anything substantial this generation was Microsoft's unified online network. But of course they've been in a position to do this since befre they had the thought of entering the console gaming market.

So I'm glad Nintendo waited till next generation to go online cause now instead of being disorganised with their online plan like Sony, they're organised just as well as Microsoft. Not only that but the Revolution can a do a hell of a lot that the other consoles can't in terms of control.


@ Kain: But the PS3 is comin out aaaaages after the 360 is.


@ Groov: "Mario/Zelda fans? = Nintendo Revolution"? XD Mario and Zelda are good but definately not the only reasons to buy a Nintendo product. And it's looking like the Revolution may cut into the FPS/Action scene again, just like the N64 was famous for.

Oh XD and the Revolution will have 5 generations of games to play... *runs away*


@ RoxStar: Actually I'm as confused as you are but in a different way. The PS3 is able to output two video signals meaning you can use TWO TVs with the PS3, it would make sense to have a maximum of 8 players, 2 TV x 4 player split screen. It makes sense doesn't it?

ET Warrior
11-05-2005, 08:40 PM
I'm all about the 360 and the revolution. The PS3 and 360 aren't really bringing anything but graphics and power to the table. Revolution I will get for it's innovation. The 360 has the games I'm interested in. Perfect Dark Zero, Elder Scrolls IV, Halo 3, and Bioware is bringing Mass Effect to the table, and Bioware rocks the FACES for RPGs.

MTV2
11-05-2005, 08:58 PM
7 player split screen.... Right, when most people would never find themselves in needing more than 4 controllers for a game. Besides, Xbox Live gives the 360 an advantage, so 7 controllers aren't really needed.

And about all of the formats.... who cares? What does it mean for us? I don't need it to play 40 different formats, some I've never even heard of.

I also don't have a memory card for my xbox, thanks to the Hard drive. And you said something about the formats twice.

hey, im just giving the facts...

plus, who wants to buy 5 different players when u can get one that will play them all?

as for the 7 wireless, wut about a huge coop party? :P

plus, theyr gunna have some reasons for 7 controllers, like...i dunno, but 7 bigger then 4 :P

how does xbox live give the 360 an advantage? PS3 also has online multiplayer, it also has a headset...i dont know where ur going w/ that...

Lynk Former
11-05-2005, 09:37 PM
I'll be blunt about this.

Sony's online plan is s***. Microsoft really does know what they're doing on the online front and they will have a much better online network than Sony could ever have. It's been suggested that even now Sony doesn't know exactly what to do with in terms of online, so it's looking like it's gonna be a disorganised and crap as the PS2 online plan was.

shukrallah
11-05-2005, 09:56 PM
I don't care about online. Crap, I prefer playing with friends in the same room... the 7 player thing on 2 TVs will rock. Well.. wait... why 7? Doesn't it make more sense to have 8 players vs. 7?

Anyways- right now it stands like I will grab the NRev first, depending on the games they release... plus the lower price (200 is the cheapest I bet) and then the PS3... after a price drop... $400(+?) is toooooo much... :-\ To be honest, sony isn't my favorite company... they just have the games I like... like right now MGS and Soul Calibur 3 (all PS2... so.. .got to get that before a next gen console)

It sucks that sony manages to grab games for its system only. Elminating the competition... that sucks... :-\ Otherwise if MGS and SC3 were on a Nintendo console I would stick with Nintendo. Its all about the games...

Darth Groovy
11-05-2005, 10:06 PM
Oh XD and the Revolution will have 5 generations of games to play... *runs away*



You are absolutely right, and that is what sparked my interested the first time I heard it. What remains to be seen, is how much are the Nintendo moguls going to charge you to buy all of those old games, and how long will it take to get them all available? PS3 has a wide range already right there in the store, and if you had the original Playstation, and the PS2, you still got tons of games to play, so a skimpy selection on the launch(not that they HAVE a skimpy selection on the launch, but even so) won't matter.

Again though....it's the games that sell the systems. Always.

Jeff
11-05-2005, 10:16 PM
You are absolutely right, and that is what sparked my interested the first time I heard it. What remains to be seen, is how much are the Nintendo moguls going to charge you to buy all of those old games, and how long will it take to get them all available? PS3 has a wide range already right there in the store, and if you had the original Playstation, and the PS2, you still got tons of games to play, so a skimpy selection on the launch(not that they HAVE a skimpy selection on the launch, but even so) won't matter.
Yeah, that's one of the things I really like about the Revolution. I never had all the old nintendo systems, so now I will be able to make up for that by getting all the old games available on one system.

Lynk Former
11-05-2005, 10:17 PM
How's that really different from the Revolution? GCN games will be readily available to anyone who wants to buy them, same with the PS2 games, and the N64, SNES and NES games will be available for download and together they add up more games than the PS1 and PS2 combined. The other issue is that you're not going to find ALL PS1 games available just as you're not gonna find ALL Nintendo legacy games available.

To get to the point, I don't see any real difference in what is being offered except that a lot of what Nintendo has is being offered through online means and a lot of what Sony has is offered through traditional means.

TiE23
11-05-2005, 10:21 PM
hey, im just giving the facts...

plus, who wants to buy 5 different players when u can get one that will play them all?

as for the 7 wireless, wut about a huge coop party? :P

plus, theyr gunna have some reasons for 7 controllers, like...i dunno, but 7 bigger then 4 :P

how does xbox live give the 360 an advantage? PS3 also has online multiplayer, it also has a headset...i dont know where ur going w/ that...
5 different players? I have 1 DVD player (and my xbox plays DVDs), I don't need a $400 PS3 to view movies on formats I've never heard of.

7 wireless contollers= $350 in controllers, a $400 console, and a $60 game. How is that fun on my 13" TV?

Xbox live is cool and it is very efficient, you can download expansions for your games, chat with friends, send text and voice messages, view stats. And it will be even better on the 360. PS2 has like, 1 game that is good on their online, Socom... And its not like everyone has microphones anyway, and from what I know there no friends lists, no messages, no stats.

And did I mention Hard Drives are waaay cooler?
(And don't pull out the Core version card, cause everyone knows that anyone with half a brainstem will get the complete version.)

And I don't see the point in thinking that you are winning cause the PS2/3 can say "Me too!" to the Xbox/360.

RoxStar
11-05-2005, 11:46 PM
@ RoxStar: Actually I'm as confused as you are but in a different way. The PS3 is able to output two video signals meaning you can use TWO TVs with the PS3, it would make sense to have a maximum of 8 players, 2 TV x 4 player split screen. It makes sense doesn't it?

Ah, I see. But 7 is still an odd number....
maybe its 3 to a screen and one PSP? I dunno... Just seems like a weird number to have.

MTV2
11-06-2005, 11:45 AM
5 different players? I have 1 DVD player (and my xbox plays DVDs), I don't need a $400 PS3 to view movies on formats I've never heard of.

7 wireless contollers= $350 in controllers, a $400 console, and a $60 game. How is that fun on my 13" TV?

Xbox live is cool and it is very efficient, you can download expansions for your games, chat with friends, send text and voice messages, view stats. And it will be even better on the 360. PS2 has like, 1 game that is good on their online, Socom... And its not like everyone has microphones anyway, and from what I know there no friends lists, no messages, no stats.

And did I mention Hard Drives are waaay cooler?
(And don't pull out the Core version card, cause everyone knows that anyone with half a brainstem will get the complete version.)

And I don't see the point in thinking that you are winning cause the PS2/3 can say "Me too!" to the Xbox/360.

PS3 comes w/ a Hard Drive also...
and, when blu-ray comes out to be as great as DVD(if it ever will) ull have ur PS3 to thank, cuz it can play blu-ray and hi-def blu-ray...
and, u will soon know wut alll those formats are....

TiE23
11-06-2005, 12:36 PM
The PS3 comes with a Hard drive, too. When Blu-Ray comes out to replace the DVD, you will have your PS3 to play them with because it can support those formats. And you will soon know that these formats are.
Fixed. ;)

And the PS3 does not come with a hard drive, it has a slot in the back for one, just like the PS2.
And I am pretty sure you cannot use old PS2 memory cards because it is going to use those hidiously expensive Duo Memory Sticks for them.

Everyone know that the Core version is for people who just look for the cheaper version and skip the details (ie: Parents/Grandparents) so microsoft can get them to buy their memory cards, and then finally go back and buy a hard drive when their kids get pissed cause they can't download the Halo 3 map expansion.

And if Blu-Ray discs become the standard, my family will just get a Blu-Ray player. But thats not going to happen anytime soon, besides, its not like everyone has a HDTV and a HD movie. Cause I don't have one.

MTV2
11-06-2005, 03:44 PM
Fixed. ;)

And the PS3 does not come with a hard drive, it has a slot in the back for one, just like the PS2.
And I am pretty sure you cannot use old PS2 memory cards because it is going to use those hidiously expensive Duo Memory Sticks for them.

Everyone know that the Core version is for people who just look for the cheaper version and skip the details (ie: Parents/Grandparents) so microsoft can get them to buy their memory cards, and then finally go back and buy a hard drive when their kids get ....ed cause they can't download the Halo 3 map expansion.

And if Blu-Ray discs become the standard, my family will just get a Blu-Ray player. But thats not going to happen anytime soon, besides, its not like everyone has a HDTV and a HD movie. Cause I don't have one.

i know the ps3 wont come w/ a hard drive but u can buy, and its hinted that u can hook up external hard drives via. USB ports, but thats not confirmed yet.

it will play blu-ray and hd video, thats 2 players u dont have to worry about buying...

there online is very similiar to the xbox live

though, i have to say, the PS3 controller is crap, and the xbox can play more FPS games like Halo...(damn microsoft and not making it for pc!)

FAQ(PS3):
http://ps3land.com/faq.php <-- cant really trust

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/636/636848p1.html

FAQ(Xbox 360)
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/608/608394p1.html

i will prolly get the PS3 first then in about a year or so ill get the 360

TiE23
11-06-2005, 05:58 PM
Still do not know the details of all that yet. :smash:
Nooo! Use this one instead :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/saber-smash.gif

MrWally
11-06-2005, 10:48 PM
Personally I am looking forward to just try the Nintendo Revolution. What they are suggesting in their controller alone is incredible, and I can't wait to try it (even if it ends up sucking, I give them kudos for trying).

As for the 360 I heard that their loading times suck, which is a big minus in my opinion. However, the 360 is coming out with games I am definately looking forward to (Oblivion :D) Which leads me to my next point.....

COMPUTERS!!! :D

I'm gonna stick with my computer, I don't have a real problem with shelling out for the latest software, and it can play many more games than consoles (such as RTSs) and you don't have to pay the extra $$ for something like xbox live, you can just get online for ur regular internet price.

shukrallah
11-06-2005, 11:01 PM
I'm gonna stick with my computer, I don't have a real problem with shelling out for the latest software, and it can play many more games than consoles (such as RTSs) and you don't have to pay the extra $$ for something like xbox live, you can just get online for ur regular internet price.

What about extra hardware? Sure you might have a sweet PC right now, but when those next gen systems come out game makers are going to be pushing games further and further... and the revolutions online service is free. Individuals may, or may not be however.

My only gripe about PCs is the constantly changing hardware, required to play games, and the constant crashing that occurs systems that are equivalent, or are alienware quality, or some that are better. There is always something to interfere with something else, causing a bug or crash. What do you have to worry about with consoles? The occassional disk read error... or scratched up CDs, which is usually easy to prevent.

Samuel Dravis
11-06-2005, 11:27 PM
What about extra hardware? Sure you might have a sweet PC right now, but when those next gen systems come out game makers are going to be pushing games further and further...Game makers continuously push the games further and further. If you don't see that because of the particular limitations of consoles, well...

and the revolutions online service is free. Individuals may, or may not be however.I'm already going have internet access - it won't cost any more to play online more than is already being shelled out. For people without internet, though, I guess that would be good point (no internet!? For shame!).

My only gripe about PCs is the constantly changing hardware, required to play games, and the constant crashing that occurs systems that are equivalent, or are alienware quality, or some that are better. There is always something to interfere with something else, causing a bug or crash. What do you have to worry about with consoles? The occassional disk read error... or scratched up CDs, which is usually easy to prevent.Thing is, we're geeks. We like buying awesome graphics cards. We like having bragging rights because our PCs are so powerful. :)

On problems: I rarely have them, I've never had one that I couldn't fix fairly easily, and when it takes longer than a few minutes, it's almost as fun figuring out what the problem was as it is playing the game for the first time. I know I probably have issues, but there it is. :)

EDIT: Hmm. I think I am instigating rivalries. I shalt post no more! :D

TiE23
11-07-2005, 01:33 AM
As for the 360 I heard that their loading times suck, which is a big minus in my opinion.
I don't notice loading times when playing the demos. As long as I don't notice them and that they aren't as frequent as HL2's or long as BF2's.

And I believe that the loading times on the PS3 will be even slower, because the reading speed is slower on the Blu-ray drive than the xbox's.

And about people who complain how the Xbox's discs are too small, no one really complained about the GC's tiny discs, "But ooooh God! Lets not let this one slip! What else can we point out is wrong with the 360?" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Tie23/11crazy_smilie.gif

Crow_Nest
11-07-2005, 02:47 AM
Xbox 360 FTW!

My cousin is gonna sell his old Xbox and use the money to buy an Xbox 360 when its released. For me? I'll wait for the price to come down. :D

Darth Groovy
11-07-2005, 03:51 AM
What about extra hardware? Sure you might have a sweet PC right now, but when those next gen systems come out game makers are going to be pushing games further and further... and the revolutions online service is free. Individuals may, or may not be however.

My only gripe about PCs is the constantly changing hardware, required to play games, and the constant crashing that occurs systems that are equivalent, or are alienware quality, or some that are better. There is always something to interfere with something else, causing a bug or crash. What do you have to worry about with consoles? The occassional disk read error... or scratched up CDs, which is usually easy to prevent.


:wstupid: Don't forget a life time's supply of mods and patches. Most remember when I first joined here, I was strictly PC, because I got sick of hearing about console wars. Although, about 3 years ago, you didn't need 2+ gigs of hard drive and these thousand dollar graphics cards to play this stuff either. Now, I just can't keep up with it. I can't see forking over thousands of dollars in upgrades each year, just because a bunch of software designers want to brag about how far they pushed the specs on the latest and greatest games.

toms
11-07-2005, 09:07 AM
I used to be a full time PC gamer... for years asnd years, and i only finally got a console when i picked up a 2nd hand gamecube around 2 years ago. I've since also bought a 2nd hand modded xbox.

Over the last year or two i've found that the cost and hassle of keeping a gaming pc up to date, and the growing complexity of games, along with having a full time job, life etc, and the speed and convienience of console games means I use my pc almost exclusively for internet, p2p, etc..

(Even Microsoft admit pc gaming has suffered majorly over the last few years, and a lot of that has to be the insane cost of staying on the cutting edge).

One thing I can say for sure is I won't be buying a 360 on launch. I think its far too early to tell whether it will be worth it, its price will drop hugely when the others get close to launch, and by that time it will have a decent catalogue of games.

And to be honest, i'm much happier sitting behind the cutting edge, picking up consoles and games 2nd hand, once time has told which ones are true classics and which were just hype. SO i think its very likely i'll do the same this time as last time.

The Revolution is the wild card in the pack though, its reported cheap price means that (like the GCN) its a good one to pick up as a complement to other systems, and its posibilities with the controls mean that it COULD be really different and worth getting. Even that I won't buy on launch though, as i think it will take time to see if its true genius or just a gimmick.

To be honest the 360 and ps3 right now aren't appealing much at all, the games look pretty identicl to existing games, just with slightly higher poly counts and better lighting. I'll be happy surviving with cheap xbox and gcn games for the next 6 months or so, then see.
I think the most likely console for me to buy in the next 6 months will be a ps2 to be honest. I should be able to get one dirt cheap soon, and Ico, Disgea, Rez, Shadow of the Colossus and Guitar Hero are all games i really want to try...

Interesting and fun comparisson between the Dreamcast and the 360:
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1

PoM
11-07-2005, 10:38 AM
I'm going for the revolution....
Because I like the idea.

Captain Wilson
11-07-2005, 10:45 AM
Revolution all the way bay, because at heart im just a big N fanboy :D

Though i will be getting a 360 as a) Its looking to have a very nice set of games and b) i love rare

El Sitherino
11-07-2005, 12:20 PM
are alienware quality, or some that are better.

A lot of PC's are better than Alienware, considering they suck ass.

Anyway, I'll be getting the Revolution. PS3 is pointless, xbox 360 is really just xbox:SE.

Samuel Dravis
11-07-2005, 01:53 PM
Some of us don't have all that money to keep upgrading and so on though. :dozey: They really should consider a bit of scaling on software so that games can be enjoyed on mid and lower end systems further and they can still brag how far they are taking them. Besides, they have to scale a bit for consoles and they still look just as good as it is anyways, so why not do so for PC too?I agree that they should scale their software. Half Life 2 did a good job in that regard, I thought, and I was very happy with it.

But when I see a console port, there's often some big parts left out. For example, in Splinter Cell, and entire mission was dropped because Xbox couldn't handle it. That's the kind of scaling I most definitely do not want to see. Restricting things to the lowest common denominator is not cool; they should have it scale up when you have a more capable machine/console. I certainly wouldn't want my experience or the dev's ability limited by what amounts to outdated hardware. If they tried foisting off a straight up port of SC with the more demanding levels missing, simply because "Oh, Xbox didn't have it, why should you?" I would be most irritated.

shukrallah
11-07-2005, 05:01 PM
PS3 is pointless

What do you mean? Sure all the extra formats and such are a waste of money, since at most I will use the bluray (for games) and DVD for movies (maybe, I have a DVD in my PC, with a res monitor... rather than a PS3 with a low res TV...)

Well actually, another point for the HD consoles- they can plug into your computer monitor (so can the rev) but since these support HD, and a monitor is like a HD TV, there you go. I have my 17" monitor, and I'll probably be using that rather than my 19" normal TV for gaming.

The thing about the PS3 is, I know Sony is going to continue paying companies to put their games on the PS3 exclusivly, like MGS and possibly another Soul Calibur. Next thing you know a bunch of other amazing games will be PS3 exclusive, which is why I know I will want one. I just wish they would cut the crap out of that system and fix the controller...

MrWally
11-07-2005, 06:59 PM
Personally I don't have a problem with not having the latest and greatest hardware. I don't NEED to play things at the highest possible settings. Nor am I the type of person who is constantly buying new games and has to have a new one each month, heck, I still play WarCraft III hours a day and it never gets old.

El Sitherino
11-07-2005, 07:19 PM
PS3 is pointless because all that's getting released are sequels to crappy games, save for MGS which is good.

MTV2
11-07-2005, 09:54 PM
Who the hell voted for none the above!!!! :fist:

Lynk Former
11-08-2005, 02:30 AM
Well the first signs of the Revolution are here, Nintendo WiFi Connection is armed fully operational.

Darth Groovy
11-08-2005, 06:21 AM
I got to bust on Nintendo for the creation of the Gameboy Micro. Why pay $20 more for a system that has all the exact same features as the SP? Nintendo did virtually nothing to promote it, and these systems are not selling at all in my store even though we have marketing for them in all the sections. Actually I STILL prefer the SP because you can fold it up to protect the screen/buttons. Nintendo bothers me with some of it's logic from time to time.

Lynk Former
11-08-2005, 07:11 AM
It's for people who don't have a GBA but want one but don't want to own something that looks like a toy. It sold very well in Japan, it's more of a collector's item though, there is a Famicom version about to come out in the US, and maybe a NES version as well and I'm sure collectors will go for it.

Nintendo has been pretty open about the fact that this is just an extra money grab and have said the Micro will sell for as long as anyone wants it and then after that they'll discontinue it. Like I said before, and according to Nintendo, it's really for collectors and people who want a GBA but don't want to own something that looks like a toy.

Also, the Micro's screen is protected, the faceplates have a clear plastic part on it that go over the screen.

Sabretooth
11-08-2005, 09:14 AM
*Jumps into heated discussion with a board that says "PC FOREVER"*

Hail the PC! It ruleth all your consoles!

*Runs*

toms
11-08-2005, 09:24 AM
I got to bust on Nintendo for the creation of the Gameboy Micro.

The micro isn't aimed at the kind of people who buy things i games stores, the SP is supposed to be for them. Hte Micro is aimed at being sold to people who like gadgets in gadget stores alongside ipods and other such things. In that context it should do quite well.
YOu just have to look at the mp3-player style plastic packaging to realise they are aiming it in a different direction.

:)

PC gaming USED to rock. No question. IN certain genres it still does. But PC gaming has faltered badly over the past year or two (partly because of MS not concentrating on it, partly because games stores (at least in the UK) don't sell good selections and partly because the cost of continually getting these damn $400 graphics cards is getting stupid.

I'd suspect that with the rise in the internet and broadband as the major uses for PCs, and with smallness and style becoming more important, a lot of people are going for cool looking laptops instead of monster desktops. And its much more expensive to buy laptops capable of gaming and keep them up to date.

PC games are great at deep gameplay... but are often longer term commitments, can't be played in such small (life fitting) segments and are becoming more and more of a hardcore market.

I'm halfway through Farcry (which is an excellent game) but i haven't played it in months.. I keep meaning to, but when it comes down to it its much easier to just grab a controller while you are sat on the sofa and have a blast at SSX3 than it is to make time to sit down at an uncomfortable desk and play farcry.

:(

MS do say they are going to try and revive the PC games market once the 360 launch is out the way though...

toms
11-08-2005, 11:08 AM
Is it me, or is $1000 for a console (even with a games bundle) getting ridiculous???
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000BVZF1C/

PoM
11-08-2005, 11:56 AM
Well...Uh..Yeah.
That's a little...Extreme.
Very extreme, actually.

Lightsaberboy
11-09-2005, 01:37 AM
looks like it might be hard to get your hands on a 360 in time for christmas.

shortage of xbox 360s (http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/07/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm?cnn=yes)

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – Getting your hands on one of this holiday season's hottest gifts might be even harder than you think – and it might get even more expensive.

While Microsoft has still not given precise shipment numbers for the Xbox 360, two sector analysts say the numbers seem to be slipping. That could lead to even higher priced game sets in a market that already seems to be on the verge of price gouging.

Wall Street has been expecting Microsoft to deliver more than 2 million of its next generation consoles to retailers worldwide this year. On Monday, though, P. J. McNealy of American Technology Research lowered his expectations to the 1.8 million – 2 million range. Friday, Banc of America's Gary Cooper said he believes the company will ship just 1.4 million – 1.6 million.

There was never any question that the first 'next generation' video game machine would sell out this holiday season. A cocktail blend of enthusiastic players and Santa's helpers virtually guarantee that demand for the machines will outstrip supply. It happens with every major holiday gaming hardware launch. (Skeptical? Think back to last year's desperate hunt for a Nintendo DS.)

Complicating matters is Microsoft's plan for a worldwide launch of the 360. That means those initial shipments, whatever they turn out to be, will be split between North America, Europe and Japan. McNealy said he expects Microsoft to send roughly 900,000 to 1 million units to North American retailers, 600,000-800,000 to Europe and another 100,000-200,000 to Japan.

Cooper's prediction is more dire, saying there will only be between 300,000 and 350,000 units available in the U.S. on Nov. 22, when the system launches. (Cooper, in a note, said he expects two shipments from Microsoft (Research) this year – one before launch and another in December.)

"Concerns about shortages, parts problems and other associated inventory qualms are typical of any console hardware transition," wrote McNealy.

Microsoft representatives were not immediately available for comment.

The expected shortages could prove beneficial to entrepreneurs and select retailers. Officially, there are two price points for the Xbox 360: $299 and $399 (one bare bones and one tricked out). And while you might be able to buy just the machine if you're willing to camp out at your local Wal-Mart (Research) or Best Buy (Research) the night before they go on sale, many retailers are only selling their allotted units in outrageously expensive bundles.

GameStop (Research), for example, offers five different pre-order packages for would-be owners of the machine, ranging in price from $700 to $4,500. That $4,500 bundle, for those of you gasping for air, includes (among other things) 20 games, three extra wireless controllers and a 42-inch plasma TV.

It's eBay (Research) where I suspect the real fortunes will be made, though. Already, those lucky enough to receive early accessories for the system have been making tidy profits from selling that merchandise to enthusiasts. The faceplate given out at the E3 press conference, for example, has fetched as much as $306.99 – more than the basic version of the machine itself.

How far will bid prices go for an actual Xbox 360? It's anyone's guess. But if you're planning to pad your bank account by flipping one, you'd better hurry. January will bring a new round of shipments and a likely drop-off in demand.

and i heard all gamestops are only gonna have 18 of them max on the 22nd. ah well.

Lynk Former
11-09-2005, 04:06 AM
Maybe it'd help if Microsoft didn't bother with the core system... :dozey:

toms
11-09-2005, 09:53 AM
I posted a link in another thread about how MS are only giving about 20 consoles to each retailer, and mmaking them promise that they will "sell out"... this is so they can artificially make the 360 seem really popular and drive up demand for it.

I think everyone at Lucasforums should club together and buy a 360 for a childrens hospital through Child's Play. That way they'd have kids falling over themselves to get into that hospital to play it. literally.

shukrallah
11-09-2005, 05:50 PM
^Yeah your right.


Besides, I've heard this shortage could have been done on purpose by microsoft... for some reason.

Jeff
11-09-2005, 06:01 PM
Besides, I've heard this shortage could have been done on purpose by microsoft... for some reason.It wouldn't surprise me. Increase the demand, price goes up. Or that's how it's supposed to work at least.

MTV2
11-09-2005, 06:29 PM
Maybe it'd help if Microsoft didn't bother with the core system... :dozey:
ya, wuts up w/ that? wuts the point of the core version? everyone, at least the people w/ brain will. get the normal version...

microsoft just wasted a whole hell of a lotta time and money on that core version...

RoxStar
11-09-2005, 06:53 PM
ya, wuts up w/ that? wuts the point of the core version? everyone, at least the people w/ brain will. get the normal version...


You honestly think that there won't be ways to hook up el cheapo hard drives to the 360 for more than $30? Thats why I'm holding off for a while.

Jeff
11-09-2005, 06:53 PM
I think the core system is for parents who know nothing about consoles and gaming that are buying them for their kids. They won't understand what the extra stuff is on the $400 one and just get the cheaper one.

El Sitherino
11-09-2005, 06:54 PM
It's not like the shortage strategy is new for microsoft, they did it with the first xbox in "strategically determined" places.

Commander Obi-Wan
11-09-2005, 08:28 PM
PS3.....

shukrallah
11-09-2005, 08:49 PM
PS3 is pointless because all that's getting released are sequels to crappy games, save for MGS which is good.

Heh... I have to admit, thats the only reason I want a PS3... and PS2 for that matter... MGS. Man, I am hooked.

Actually, this could be good news- as we know MGS 4 is that last MGS game, claims Hideo Kojima. Sure its been said before, but I believe him this time- why? Hes been saying that he has always wanted to make a special video game, but that the technology is not currently available. All of a sudden he is saying that tech is available, and hes making a completley new series, or for all we know, genre (he made the stealth genre) for the Nintendo Revolution. As we know, games like MGS are pure sweetness, so I can't expect less from Kojima. I mean, I've met people who say MGS sucks, and I say, how about I let you borrow and they come back freaking out about how awesome it is... I've only met one person who said he doesn't like it, and thats because... well... it was too hard for him to even get to revolver ocelot... heh...

But yeah, I am excited. If MGS is enough for me to buy a PS2/3 Then I can't wait to see what Kojima has in store for the Revolution... I wonder how it incorporates the new tech (obviously, the controller...)

swphreak
11-09-2005, 10:35 PM
Of the list, I'll be getting XBox360 first. I haven't pre-ordered anything, and I don't plan to hunt for a 360 the week it comes out. I'll get it whenever...

Anthony
11-14-2005, 10:50 PM
Some people like to tell me that the new consoles always have better graphics gameplay etc than PC but thats only true for about 3 months (At least for the graphics..)

I hate to generalize but I pretty well think every console game I've played I've lost interest in around a week. I won't be getting another console for a good while.

Definatly sticking with PC.

EDIT: I have an Xbox and I'm keeping it. Consoles are still great fun for when friends are over but thats it for me, I think. If I want to play a game online I'd choose PC over Xbox360/PS3/Revolution any day hehe.

toms
11-15-2005, 07:26 AM
So far, after seeing a few 360 games reviewed, i'm starting to think the 360 MIGHT be dreamcast like after all. To me the graphics aren't looking mind-blowing by any sense of the the imagination... they are nice incremental improvements over the xbox graphics, but the jump seems a lot smaller than previous generations.

The gameplay don't look any different to the current generation, and the fact that lots of games are being launched on xbox, ps2, pc AND xbox360 bears this out.
The important thing might be how big the gap is between ps3 and xbox360 graphics. At the moment there seems to be no appetite for the ps3 at all (except fot a few exclusive games), but once the gloss wears off the 360 i'm thinking the ps3 might start looking appealing if its graphically more of a generational leap.

Lynk Former
11-15-2005, 01:12 PM
The 360 really IS the Dreamcast 2.0 but the difference is that this is Microsoft, and that means it won't fail... even if it fails. ;)

El Sitherino
11-15-2005, 02:39 PM
The PS3 will be the graphics champion this generation. And the revolution and xbox360 will be on about even level.

Lynk Former
11-15-2005, 07:54 PM
Yeah, no doubt the PS3 will be the one with the best graphics next-gen (it is still yet to come despite the 360).

It's also the N64 of next-gen and the Xbox360 is the Dreamcast of next-gen and the Revolution is..... a big surprise.