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DarthMaulUK
11-12-2005, 06:57 AM
It was confirmed in our private chat lobby that the B-Wing will not make it into Empire At War. The question wasn't asked/answered because it was a simple 'no'.

The Legacy at war mod team have made their very own creations and are looking impressive. Whats your views on this decision not to have a B-Wing?

Legacy At War (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=153115)

DMUK

Darth Windu
11-12-2005, 08:51 AM
Another indication that EaW will be half-baked, as I have predicted.

The tech line and whatnot should never have stopped at ANH, but regardless, we are getting some absolutely awful ship designs plus a lot of EU stuff, yet an instantly recognisable film unit doesn't make the cut.

Not good enough.

Juggernaut1985
11-12-2005, 09:09 AM
I'm going to try and fix most of this injustice. B-Wings for all...and maybe more....

gamefreak
11-12-2005, 10:36 AM
I think its really dumb but thankfuly theres some nice mods out there

darthfergie
11-12-2005, 11:16 AM
I didn't see that part in the chat transcript. I thought he said that a few things that appeared in the later movies would also appear in the game, just in the higher echelons of tech. I guess maybe A=wings or something. Dunno. I don't mind too much. I never thought a ton of the B-wing. It was always a little weird. Not saying I don't like the B-wing, it's just my least favorite of the rebel and imperial fighters/bombers, so I'll live.
Not exactly a factual rational, but it works. heh

Jan Gaarni
11-12-2005, 12:15 PM
I didn't see that part in the chat transcript.
You weren't in the same chat, that's why. :)

popcorn2008
11-12-2005, 12:30 PM
I don't mind the B-Wing absense too much. What really gets me is the absence of the TIE Interceptor. The rebels will get it's couterpart, the A-Wing, which was specifically designed to out run the Interceptor. And yet, there is no Interceptor to out run.

Not giving the Rebels a B-Wing is a good idea to me, because so far it seems the Rebels will have more of a star fighter advantage already.

WxDude
11-12-2005, 12:59 PM
I don't mind the B-Wing absense too much. What really gets me is the absence of the TIE Interceptor. The rebels will get it's couterpart, the A-Wing, which was specifically designed to out run the Interceptor. And yet, there is no Interceptor to out run.

Not giving the Rebels a B-Wing is a good idea to me, because so far it seems the Rebels will have more of a star fighter advantage already.

The B/W was developed by Ackbar as a FRG killer. The FRG is on the side of the Rebellion in this game so there is no need for the B/W.

But I still want it and the T/I.

matthujun
11-12-2005, 02:47 PM
What really gets me is the absence of the TIE Interceptor.

see http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=155255

isn't that a interceptor?

popcorn2008
11-12-2005, 02:55 PM
see http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=155255

isn't that a interceptor?
No, that is a TIE Advanced x1 (i believe x1). You see it in A New Hope, it is Darth Vader's personalized TIE Fighter. He uses it in the trench run part of episode IV.

Jeff
11-12-2005, 05:28 PM
I guess I'm not too bummed out that it isn't included, but I think it's kind of silly that they aren't. I wouldn't think it would be that much more work to include one more ship... Still, it won't ruin the game for me.

Sithxace
11-12-2005, 05:50 PM
its not the extra work, its all about money. Their plan is to make an expansion pack that continues where this game left off prob til the battle of endor. Now they wanna be able to say we got the b-wing and SSD in it! WHAT A FEATURE! pretty much there preserving material for the future, for a few more dolla dolla bills

Jeff
11-12-2005, 05:59 PM
its not the extra work, its all about money. Their plan is to make an expansion pack that continues where this game left off prob til the battle of endor. Now they wanna be able to say we got the b-wing and SSD in it! WHAT A FEATURE! pretty much there preserving material for the future, for a few more dolla dolla bills
I see. I guess this is a good plan financially for them, since no doubt an expansion would sell like crazy assuming this game will be the hit it is expected to be.

Jan Gaarni
11-12-2005, 07:44 PM
The B/W was developed by Ackbar as a FRG killer. The FRG is on the side of the Rebellion in this game so there is no need for the B/W.

But I still want it and the T/I.
There are other frigates in Star Wars too to take out, and so it will be in EaW.
That is a weak argument really for not having it in.

The B-Wing was designed to be an anti-capital ship bomber actually, not specifically to take out just one type of ship, like the Nebulon-B Frigate as you suggest.

The only good argument for not including it, is that the techtree only goes up to ANH, which effectivelly excludes the B-Wing from the game.

darthfergie
11-12-2005, 09:02 PM
its not the extra work, its all about money. Their plan is to make an expansion pack that continues where this game left off prob til the battle of endor. Now they wanna be able to say we got the b-wing and SSD in it! WHAT A FEATURE! pretty much there preserving material for the future, for a few more dolla dolla bills

*blinks* You're so right! heh. I didn't even think of that bit. Add in a few more units and make storied campaigns go to the end of ROTJ, add some moola to Lucas' pockets. I love it when a plan comes together.

You weren't in the same chat, that's why. :)
lol, true enough. true enough.


Hey this is a really random question, and probably one that DMUK can answer. What ever happened to that guy from LA who was heading up GB and then was reportedly working on a new game that was rumored to be GB2. Is he working with the EAW team? or is he on some other random project. (sorry, I just randomly remembered him)
sorry, random

lukeiamyourdad
11-12-2005, 09:45 PM
Hey this is a really random question, and probably one that DMUK can answer. What ever happened to that guy from LA who was heading up GB and then was reportedly working on a new game that was rumored to be GB2. Is he working with the EAW team? or is he on some other random project. (sorry, I just randomly remembered him)
sorry, random

Garry Gaber? He left LucasArts over a year ago.

I'm not so bummed out by this. The B-Wing is one of my favorites though, but I'll survive without it. The Rebels have quite a large variety of capital ships and I think that if they didn't, it would justify its inclusion. Now, the Rebels don't seem to need it.

Darth Windu
11-12-2005, 11:14 PM
Jan - sure the tech tree is supposed to stop at ANH, and yet we get Mon Cal Frigates and A-wings that were only seen in RotJ, just like the B-wing, so I don't see how that can explain the B-wing not being in the game.

Sithxace
11-13-2005, 12:21 AM
because they used the movie and other sources such as the fact bwings wernt designed til late in ROTJ, they were like almost prototypes during the battle of endor, like that brand new. Now the Mon Camari cruisers eve though they wrnt in ANH, they were always around.

darthfergie
11-13-2005, 02:39 AM
Jan - sure the tech tree is supposed to stop at ANH, and yet we get Mon Cal Frigates and A-wings that were only seen in RotJ, just like the B-wing, so I don't see how that can explain the B-wing not being in the game.

It's semi true. The alliance didn't have the Mon Cal Cruisers, but they were there. The Mon Cals had been fighting the empire for years before they joined the alliance and had already built up their star cruisers into vessels of war. I agree that it's really kind of weird that they are putting them in the game, but the game would be very unbalanced if they only gave the rebels small ships that couldn't stand toe to toe with star destroyers. So it's not just a matter of when it was made, but it's really a matter of how do we balance this game.

Jan Gaarni
11-13-2005, 04:38 AM
You probably arn't able to produce Mon Cals until you've "researched" them.

And as been stated above: While the B-Wing wasn't finished designed until shortly before RotJ, the Mon Cal ships, which were at first converted cruise ships, had been around from before ANH. The A-Wing was designed around ANH, so that's why they can justify its inclusion.

Darth Windu
11-13-2005, 07:49 AM
Oh good god.

Mon Cal Cruiser
ANH = No
ESB = No
RotJ = Yes

A-wing
ANH = No
ESB = No
RotJ = Yes

B-wing
ANH = No
ESB = No
RotJ = Yes

No difference.

Garbageben
11-13-2005, 10:28 AM
If you are going to use that reasoning DW then consider this:

AT-AT

ANH: no
ESB: yes
RotJ: yes
EaW: yes

SSD

ANH: no
ESB: yes
RotJ: yes
EaW: no

It's like others have said. It goes more about when they were developed and not when they were seen.

lukeiamyourdad
11-13-2005, 11:37 AM
Gameplay > Realism.

You should know this by now Windu.

According to your logic, the rebels would have nothing but puny Corellian Corvettes to face the Empire's fleet of Star Destroyers. Very great balance...

Jan Gaarni
11-13-2005, 01:21 PM
Oh good god.

Mon Cal Cruiser
ANH = No
ESB ...... etc

Oh, good God indeed, Windu. :eek:

Jason91
11-13-2005, 02:51 PM
Personally i think your all being a little bit tiny minded its only 1 little ship it can't turn the tide of a battle. ( sorry if that upsets any 1 ) were probbly going 2 get an expansion pack tho that will include all the other stuff ( sorry if i upset any 1 and sorry 2 Darth Moeller for my previous post on those questions i had i didn't mean 2 upset u / offend you in any way m8 ) once again sorry. As for those people over the b wing calm down so the b wing an in it at this time you'll probbly get an expansion or summin that will have it. That and your also geting a great game none the less so please be greatful.

WxDude
11-13-2005, 02:53 PM
Gameplay > Realism.

You should know this by now Windu.

According to your logic, the rebels would have nothing but puny Corellian Corvettes to face the Empire's fleet of Star Destroyers. Very great balance...

But that's fair. The Rebels don't deserve the CRS anyway. It was a fluke that the Empire lost Mon Calamari.

And Jan -

My argument is just fine. You don't agree with it so you say it is weak. The B/W was developed to take out Imperial FRGs. And yes, there are other frigate type ships in the game, but their counterpart is already developed. So there is no need for a B/W.

lukeiamyourdad
11-13-2005, 04:51 PM
But that's fair. The Rebels don't deserve the CRS anyway. It was a fluke that the Empire lost Mon Calamari.


Fair or not, it's not good balance to have one side have all the capital ships and the other virtually none.

WxDude
11-13-2005, 08:57 PM
Fair or not, it's not good balance to have one side have all the capital ships and the other virtually none.

That's how the Rebellion started. The massive Imperial Navy vs their tiny warships that did nothing.

As Mon Mothma said in her memoirs:


Make no mistake, the Mon Calamari saved the galaxy. Their cruisers protected our fleet at the Battle of Endor, allowing the starfighters to penetrate the second Death Star's core. Without Admiral Ackbar and his people, we would all be the Emperor's slaves.

With the Mon Calamari's loss at the hands of the Empire, none of that would have happened and the second Death Star would have been completed and unstoppable.

-evil laugh-

Sithxace
11-13-2005, 10:05 PM
heres a question relating the battle of endor. How many starships did the rebels have in it? Like before they jumped into hyperspace in the movie i saw like 7-8 starships? So did they meet up with like other fleets of ships at endor to fight?

general ackbar
11-13-2005, 10:12 PM
poopy that its not in....

WxDude
11-14-2005, 05:19 PM
heres a question relating the battle of endor. How many starships did the rebels have in it? Like before they jumped into hyperspace in the movie i saw like 7-8 starships? So did they meet up with like other fleets of ships at endor to fight?

That's about right...I think.

The fleet at Sullust was the only fleet. You couldn't see the rest of the fleet as it made the jump because they all jumped at different vectors so they wouldn't come out of hyperspace at the same point at the same time...while that would have been good for the Empire, that would have turned public opinion aganist the Rebels, seeing as how they couldn't even make a simple jump into and out of hyperspace.

BattleDamage
11-14-2005, 05:38 PM
about the b wings i say: OMG NOOOOO!!! I know they will prolly include them in the exp. but i cant wait that long! i can barely contain myself waiting for this eaw! WHY!? i love bwings so much why must they take them away from me!!!???

darthfergie
11-14-2005, 08:03 PM
"Life's tough, Grab a helmet" comes to mind... heh

WxDude
11-15-2005, 12:03 PM
And go blow up a few CRS while your at it.

Sithxace
11-15-2005, 01:17 PM
yea thats what i thought but then at the middle/end of the battle you see like 4-5 mon cam.'s after the deathstar destroyed a few. Like when luke was fighting vader in the deathstar, you see the dozens of ISD's and then a lot more rebel ships than before the jump that i saw.

darthfergie
11-15-2005, 03:35 PM
And go blow up a few CRS while your at it.
:confused:
CRS: Mon Calamari Cruiser
lol, even I have to go look up your abbreviations sometimes WxDude. CRS sounds nothing like Mon Cal. heh.

you may need to put a link to that abbreviations thread in your sig for easy future use. ;)

Dagobahn Eagle
11-16-2005, 07:02 AM
Personally i think your all being a little bit tiny minded its only 1 little ship it can't turn the tide of a battle.
Right - it's "only" the #1 heavy bomber the Alliance has. 3 lasers, 3 ions, tonnes of torpedoes. How would a squadron of those be of any help;)?

I remember when they included them in Galactic Conquest, in the last release. It was horrible against fast TIEs, though, so it required a fighter escort:o.

Logain
11-16-2005, 07:23 AM
what exactly is galactic conquest?

edit: nevermind

Darth_Extas
11-16-2005, 09:40 PM
Accually the B-Wing isn't a bomber at all(Sorry to correct you), It is a heavily armoured fighter that is armed with an optional Ion Cannon. Besides they were developed way to late to have any part in the game. For a fact I do not remember when exactly the Mon Calimari entered the Rebel Alliance for the New Republic. All this is as well the designers choice in the matter,.

Dagobahn Eagle
11-18-2005, 05:27 AM
Accually the B-Wing isn't a bomber at all(Sorry to correct you), It is a heavily armoured fighter that is armed with an optional Ion Cannon.
According to 99% of all sources (all of which contradict the ones saying it's a fighter;)), B-Wings are heavy bombers. I have heard that Galaxies, among others, turned some of these views upside-down, but the heavy bomber role is the accepted version today.

Just to those who don't know:
Galactic Conquest (www.galactic-conquest.net) is, as many know, a late BF 1942 total conversion. Awesome well-researched, detailed, innovative, team-play-oriented game, but it died when Battlefront and Battlefield 2 came out:(. It's also one of very few mods for the game to make it out of the beta stage.

Foshjedi2004
11-18-2005, 07:14 AM
Eagle is correct. Its classification is a B-wing Heavy Bomber much like the US's B-52 flying fortress during WW2.

So very tired that I say to you :P!!

Come to Legacy later today. Its Update day:P

Darth_Extas
11-18-2005, 10:51 AM
Sorry to argue again but, The B-wing even by the official Star Wars web-site says it qualifies as a heavy Fighter, as well no proton bombs so in no way is it a bomber as well it has proton torpedos and Ion Cannon. As well no Bomber would have an Ion Cannon.

Jan Gaarni
11-18-2005, 12:24 PM
How aobut we meet at the middle and just refer to it as a Fighter Bomber. ;)

El Sitherino
11-18-2005, 12:34 PM
I don't seem to remember the B-wing ever carrying a payload though. Only projectiles.

Darth_Extas
11-18-2005, 12:40 PM
Now that does fit my point!
As well the only real bombers for the New Republic/Rebels were the Y-Wings and different modifications(correct me if I'm wrong). Thoughout the Star Wars history has there ever been a B-wing used as a bomber?(Correct me if I'm wrong) for what I know of is no because of the B-wings late creation and the fact that it has no payload.

Admiral Sith
11-18-2005, 01:27 PM
It could be loaded with bombs, it was meant to replace the Y-Wings anyway, but production never met demand so Y-Wings stayed. And for the guy who said no bomber could have Ion Cannon, the Y-Wing has an Ion Cannon turret

lukeiamyourdad
11-18-2005, 05:50 PM
Bombers armed with torpedoes are still called bombers.


As well no Bomber would have an Ion Cannon.

You just said the Y-Wing was a bomber and it does have an Ion Cannon. So which is it?

El Sitherino
11-19-2005, 05:28 PM
It could be loaded with bombs, it was meant to replace the Y-Wings anyway, but production never met demand so Y-Wings stayed. And for the guy who said no bomber could have Ion Cannon, the Y-Wing has an Ion Cannon turret
Except it has no payload compartment that I've noticed, it'd have to be strapped.

I'm not saying it can't be a bomber, but so could an x-wing if modified to carry payload.

Technically anything that can't carry a payload isn't a bomber, as the entire thing is bombs are dropped, missles (or torpedos as they're in space and water) are just fired, making the b-wing a fighter.

lukeiamyourdad
11-19-2005, 05:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_bomber

The difference in modern warfare however, has become so blurry that some wonder what a fighter is and what a bomber is. The F-16, for example, was designed for aerial combat yet are often used as "bomb trucks".

Was the B-Wing designed for space combat? I don't think so. It was specifically made to assault warships, just like a torpedo bomber.

We can argue on what to call it, fighter or bomber, but that does not change the fact that it isn't used to counter other fighters.

In fact, if we can't even used the "bomber" designation for any of the starfighters outside of the Tie Bomber.

This is getting pointless...

Jan Gaarni
11-19-2005, 07:16 PM
Errr, X-Wings do have payloads. It can fire both torpedoes and missiles.

So can the A-Wing ... and the Y-Wing ... and yes, even the B-Wing has a weapons payload.

Like Luke said, the B-Wing was primearly designed to fight ships, not fighters.
It's got most of it's weapons aimed towards just that goal: Ion Canons and projectile capabilities. And like the Y-Wing before it, it can take a punch. But it's not as agile as an X-Wing or an A-Wing.

In space terms it's a bomber.

SirLancelot
11-19-2005, 07:34 PM
I'm not that concerned. they'll be plenty of other ships to use.

Jmaster3265
11-19-2005, 11:43 PM
Another indication that EaW will be half-baked, as I have predicted.

The tech line and whatnot should never have stopped at ANH, but regardless, we are getting some absolutely awful ship designs plus a lot of EU stuff, yet an instantly recognisable film unit doesn't make the cut.

Not good enough.


Can we ban this guy who is so negative, and just likes to diss the game? Please there is someone like this on two other forums! Please just ban him!

Jeff
11-20-2005, 12:17 AM
Please keep the moderating to the moderators. A differing of opinions does not warrant a banning, but continued flaming does. ::

Admiral Sith
11-20-2005, 04:32 AM
He has his right to be negative (in this forum at least). If you do not like what he posts, you dont have to read them.

popcorn2008
11-20-2005, 10:15 AM
Can we ban this guy who is so negative, and just likes to diss the game? Please there is someone like this on two other forums! Please just ban him!
The way to go about this is not publically posting in the forums. This is not acceptable behavior. In order to report someone you believe should be banned, you should PM a moderator or simply report the user.

Although as Darth Moeller pointed out, this user was only sharing his opinion and that doesnt warrant a ban.

Foshjedi2004
11-20-2005, 05:07 PM
Jmaster please Calm down. If that is indeed you, if its your brother then.......

Dagobahn Eagle
11-22-2005, 06:50 AM
The B-wing even by the official Star Wars web-site says it qualifies as a heavy Fighter
Yup. Fighter-bombers are a heavy kind of fighters.

as well no proton bombs
Did anyone mention proton bombs in the first place?

so in no way is it a bomber as well it has proton torpedos and Ion Cannon. As well no Bomber would have an Ion Cannon.
Heard about the Y-Wing? The one-seater has a forward-firing ion cannon, the two-seater has a rotating turret. As far as I know (one of my favourite craft in Galactic Conquest, by the way:p).

And it has ion cannons. Three of them. You can freaking see them in the movies.

You have to remember that the B- and Y-Wing are mostly used in space. As such, the idea of dropping bombs vertically when you have forward-firing, homing torpedoes is simply absurd. But they call them "bombers" due to their heavy fire-power. I think what Rogue Squadron's dev team did was stop their research at the role of the Y-Wing ("bomber") and go "O-o-o-K, it's a bomber, so it must drop bombs!".

It's like the P-38 Lightning was a fighter bomber, but launched HVAR rockets.

It could be loaded with bombs, it was meant to replace the Y-Wings anyway.
Where do people get these ideas from?!

The Y-Wing had torpedoes, so does the B-Wing. Check any early source and stop trusting the horrifically inaccurate Rogue Squadron (which came after the sources that say it's got torpedoes). And you can't equip the B-Wing with bombs.

Errr, X-Wings do have payloads. It can fire both torpedoes and missiles.
At least according to X-Wing Alliance:).

D. E.

Darth Windu
11-22-2005, 10:00 AM
JMaster - everyone is allowed an opinion, which is one of the great things about boards like this. If you disagree with my opinion, then go ahead and prove me wrong.

Fosh - uh...the B-52 didn't serve in World War Two...or Korea. Your thinking of the B-17, B-24 or B-29.

As for the B-wing, I'd call her a Strike Fighter. In World War Two terms, im thinking

X-wing = Spitfire
Y-wing = Hurricane
B-wing = Typhoon

The Spitfire was a terrific fighter that could but often didnt carry bombs. The Hurricane was slower and less agile than the Spitfire, but more able to absorb battle damage and more multi-role - primarily as a light attack aircraft and anti-Bomber fighter. The Typhoon however was probably the best light strike fighter of WW2. It was still fairly agile and was a fighter, but its ability to carry large amounts of weapons and accurately deliver them was very valued.

Jan Gaarni
11-22-2005, 10:22 AM
Good analysis and comparison, Windu. :)

Darth_Extas
11-22-2005, 10:24 AM
I'm Fine with what you think on those terms Windu

and DE my source is not from any rouge squardon info site, it was from the Official Star War website Databank. Being on the website www.Starwars.com.

benTantilles
11-27-2005, 07:10 AM
"The Y-Wing had torpedoes, so does the B-Wing. Check any early source and stop trusting the horrifically inaccurate Rogue Squadron (which came after the sources that say it's got torpedoes). And you can't equip the B-Wing with bombs."

i'm sure y-wings could be equipped with bombs when needed, though, and to a greater extent than x-wings. Can't you load them with these things called 'space bombs' in x-wing alliance? do they function in the vertical drop sense?


"X-wing = Spitfire
Y-wing = Hurricane
B-wing = Typhoon"

if you're letting an x-wing be a spitfire, i think the hurricane would be too similar in design & characteristics for it to represent a y-wing. The spitfire's in the same class of planes as the hurricane; it's just faster & better. kind of like the e-wing & x-wing.

i think a better a parallel to the y-wing would be the Me-110. I've heard some people talk about the Russian Il-2, as well.

Darth Windu
11-27-2005, 09:04 PM
Tantilles - the idea behind my comparison was to use aircraft from the same country to the differences between spacecraft of the same organisation, mainly for simplicity sake. As for the Y-wing, I think the Hurricane is a good example because, like the Y-wing, it was the primary fighter before a better one came along (X-wing/Spitfire). From all of the Star Wars games I've played, the Y-wing is still used as a fighter, but is defeniately less agile than the spitfire, but can take more damage and is more rugged. In terms of comparison, the X-wing and Y-wing fit in well with the Spitfire and Hurricane.

Dagobahn Eagle
11-29-2005, 08:20 AM
Can't you load them with these things called 'space bombs' in x-wing alliance?
Yup, you can. That proves nothing, though, as earlier games had them fire torpedoes only, and XWA isn't really such an accurate game (it says the interdictor has a squadron or two of TIEs in it, for example, while the damned thing isn't even big enough for ONE fighter).

shadowsfm
11-29-2005, 08:58 AM
the y-wing is a multi functional starfighter, i mean, it can act as a limited fighter (was pretty good before tie-fighters came out), a bomber, and a cruisser destroyer/dissabler. so i guess its a cross between the x-wing and b-wing. and who said bombs had to go strait down. in space it could be propelled by a rocket. i so pose any starfighter can carry bombs if its modified to.

i thought of a way to balence y-wings and b-wings in the game. like, be able to make 5 y-wings at once, each shooting proton torps. and be able to make 3 b-wings at once, each shooting 2 torps. so while the b-wing groop can shoot 6 torps at once (y-wing group only 5), it takes less time to shoot all the b-wings down. and have y-wings pertect them self with their ion turret.

hope thats not complicated, and besides, its only an idea.

Darth Windu
11-29-2005, 09:40 PM
Shadow - you realise that a bofitted with a rocket engine is a rocket, right? :)

shadowsfm
11-29-2005, 09:42 PM
i was thinking more like a rocket propelled grunade

benTantilles
11-30-2005, 01:51 AM
darth windu-

fair enough. i guess if I just figured that the comparison wouldn't be good since y-wings really couldn't hold their own against TIEs, but Hurricanes could against Me-109s. then again, like someone said, y-wings were decent fighters before the introduction of the TIE. I suppose the Hurricane was similarly made outmoded by the introduction of later-model Messerschmits and other fighters.

it says the interdictor has a squadron or two of TIEs in it, for example, while the damned thing isn't even big enough for ONE fighter).

does it really? i recall stackpole's Rogue Squadron novel, among other sources, claiming that the Interdictor could hold 1 squad. Rogue Squadron bumped into the Interdictor Black Asp when practising astro-nav routes. I know Stackpole was actually inspired by the x-wing games, but since this fact has now been established in a novel proper, shouldn't it be considered official?

Darth_Extas
11-30-2005, 11:32 AM
That is a bit off topic
but in accordance to the B-Wing. As seen in the movies they had used them more of a heavy strike fighter... As well I think I'm beginning to think a bit off subject myself, but what would the stat/specs of the two fighters. Being the B-wing and the Y-wing, this may help end some of the debate if we can find some official specs of both of the fighters that are not modified according to the game and/or a character/hero.

Riddick101
03-09-2006, 11:05 AM
has someone made B-wings yet? or a mod with them? could some please link it here if so? i for one do love the b-wing and would like to have the unit in EaW

Foshjedi2004
03-09-2006, 11:38 AM
B-wings are in Legacy of War

http://legacy.gamemod.net

Igor_Cavkov
03-09-2006, 03:00 PM
i think everything thats in the starwars galaxy should be in this game all ship and all land units.. i mean we are in the sw galaxy!!! would be awesome if they gave us Bwings,Tie interceptors,superstar destroyer,.. and so on!

Orao
03-09-2006, 04:10 PM
Eagle is correct. Its classification is a B-wing Heavy Bomber much like the US's B-52 flying fortress during WW2.

Check your history book.

This is B-52

http://www.danshistory.com/b52_1.jpg

I think that you refered to this airplane :

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/galloway.jpg

This is B-17.

Anywat B-wing was designed to replace Y-Wing which became obselet with mass production of TIE interecptor and Tie Defender.

Better armor, more powerfull shieleds and better armement compared to Y-wing are the keywords for the B-wing.
By no means it is the fighter and it needs an escort to carry on its task.

lukeiamyourdad
03-09-2006, 04:19 PM
Maybe so, but it certainly doesn't fill the same role as the B-17 did.

I'd consider it more like a WWII Dive-bomber then a Heavy Bomber. Official designations cannot really be compared in this case.

Igor_Cavkov
03-09-2006, 05:25 PM
when is the legacy mod coming out?

Darth Andrew
03-09-2006, 05:49 PM
When it's done. :)

Riddick101
03-09-2006, 10:43 PM
alright, so the legacy mod has b-wings, but its not finished yet? no problem, i just have to wait.

guyvii
03-10-2006, 10:51 AM
it is about balance. You can only control so many units and so many diffent type of units. You have the cheap Z-95 for early fast game scouting , then the xwing for fighter ops ( better then the TIEs) and Ywings for bombers. What would the Bwing do? It would be redundant and not very "rock paper scissors" balanced. The Ideal was for the empire to have disposable fighters. Thus the come form the star destroyers and you use them up diffent then you would your x and y wings that have to be built. This the empire does not have its super fighters and missile boat fighters .
It is a game and the game has to be balanced so everyone can play and have fun , not just one side.
Just has the reb artillery is a little better then the imp artillery. the imps have a simi counter in the AT-AA. Balance of some form. you just have to find it and use it.

The imp fighters used to counter the bwing would not be non-hyperspace disposable fighers the SD's carry. they would be the advance fighers that would have to be built seperetly and that is not the desposable figher concept I beleve the designers were going for.

IMHO

Riddick101
03-10-2006, 07:13 PM
i would replace my Y-wings with B-wings if i could.


ya im a B-Wing fan and i know there are others out there :)

Jmaster3265
03-10-2006, 07:59 PM
Can a mod or admin lock this OOOOLLLLD topic?