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StaffSaberist
11-13-2005, 06:34 PM
I think I can see a billion DS answers, but I was curious what everyone played as. It might be interesting to see what the advantages of a LS user vs. a DS user are.

ZeroX2
11-13-2005, 07:03 PM
Both. It depends on the game type. Originally, when I first got Jedi Knight 1, I played light side. I later came to think the dark side was more powerful, and I used that for a while. Many people died at my hands. But now I find the light side to be most useful.

In Capture the Flag games, I usually use the light side. Heal, Absorb, and sometimes Mind Trick are great force powers for both defensive and offensive needs. Sometimes I use the dark side, though - it depends on the map. Grip is great for throwing attackers off ledges and the like.

StaffSaberist
11-13-2005, 07:12 PM
So DS would be better for a map like nar shaddaa streets, you're saying. Makes sense. :evil1:

ZeroX2
11-13-2005, 07:20 PM
Not necessarily. Grip would definately become more powerful on a map like Nar Shaddaa Streets, yes. But that also means that Absorb would therefore be much more useful.

thehomicidalegg
11-14-2005, 01:37 AM
yeh it really depends on the game type and my mood at the time:)

generally dark for ffa, light for ctf

riceplant
11-15-2005, 01:26 AM
Both, really. I play Dark Side, until the lack of heal gets too much for me, then Light Side, until the lack of grip gets too much for me. Although I don't think absorb is as much use in NS streets as you say, because you can't have it on all the time, right? And a good player is just going to wait until it wears off, or jump you before you get a chance to turn it on. It takes about 0.05 of a second to throw someone off a ledge, and most people don't react that fast.

ZeroX2
11-15-2005, 12:42 PM
And a good player is just going to wait until it wears off, or jump you before you get a chance to turn it on. It takes about 0.05 of a second to throw someone off a ledge, and most people don't react that fast.
Where did you get that figure from? It takes much longer than that (in basejka multiplayer, anyway). And a good player would therefore kill the enemy before Absorb wears off, or activate it in advance, knowing what the opponent likes to do.

cafa
11-15-2005, 03:14 PM
in JA Single Player i prefer the Dark side, since i can such enemies life, use a 'invulnerabilty' for some time and be more agressive.
the bad side its that im vulnerable to force atacks and in Vjun (not sure about the name) the acid rain consum my skin, and i often need a enemie to such his life. otehr bad side its that i dont use the 'mind trick' so enemies with concussion rifles are dangerous.
in DF2 i chose the light path, dont remember now the skills, but the light ones atract me more in time (i remember that Dark had a ridiculous skill that throw debris...)
on KOTOR i chose the lightside, since i realy like the sith alingment, but to be a sith on KOTOR you must say ofencive speacks, and i prefer kill ppl then keep saying stuff like that $#%@# for a few dark points
in mine opinion, the dark side its more align to a jedi that wants power then a bad person. my humble opinion..

ZeroX2
11-15-2005, 03:34 PM
in DF2 i chose the light path, dont remember now the skills, but the light ones atract me more in time (i remember that Dark had a ridiculous skill that throw debris...)
Light side has Absorb, Persuasion, Blinding, Protection, Healing.
Dark side has Throw, Grip, Lightning, Destruction, Deadly Sight.

cafa
11-15-2005, 03:45 PM
Light side has Absorb, Persuasion, Blinding, Protection, Healing.
Dark side has Throw, Grip, Lightning, Destruction, Deadly Sight.
thanks, i remember that i could throw debris on ppl, but these debris are very few. im not sure, but this skill dont exist in the expansion misteries of the sith..

ZeroX2
11-15-2005, 03:51 PM
thanks, i remember that i could throw debris on ppl, but these debris are very few. im not sure, but this skill dont exist in the expansion misteries of the sith..
Well, that depends on the map. It was rather fun to use, though.

Sabretooth
11-16-2005, 10:03 AM
Dark Side, mostly. I would have used Light Side but I'm a fast-paced player so I find choke, lightning and drain more satisfying than heal, absorb or the other ones...

cafa
11-16-2005, 10:17 AM
Dark Side, mostly. I would have used Light Side but I'm a fast-paced player so I find choke, lightning and drain more satisfying than heal, absorb or the other ones...
i agree with you. and these skills are very good to finish enemies too. i can engage a jedi, take much of his life by saber then cast a lightin or life drain to finish it. very, very cool.

ZeroX2
11-16-2005, 11:19 AM
these skills are very good to finish enemies too. i can engage a jedi, take much of his life by saber then cast a lightin or life drain to finish it.
Dark Side, mostly. I would have used Light Side but I'm a fast-paced player so I find choke, lightning and drain more satisfying than heal, absorb or the other ones...
And what do you do when the person is using Absorb? ;)

Kurgan
11-16-2005, 01:52 PM
I think I can see a billion DS answers, but I was curious what everyone played as. It might be interesting to see what the advantages of a LS user vs. a DS user are.

Both. I prefer to play the Hero, so in these types of games I always go good guy first, then play bad guy to get the villians' point of view. ;)

For multiplayer, I played both in each game but typically fell into lightside out of habit. In JA the same is true and I normally play LS, so I break out of it occasionally to train with DS and get better at that. Thanks to Siege of course I frequently get to play Dark or Light or some combination (since some of the Jedi characters are more neutral).

acdcfanbill
11-17-2005, 02:16 AM
i have two light configs and two dark configs bound for easy access. it depends on the situation, darksides are d exclusive, but i have 1 lightside defense config and one lightside o config.

Sabretooth
11-17-2005, 08:44 AM
And what do you do when the person is using Absorb? ;)

We slice him with our sabers. :)

ZeroX2
11-17-2005, 09:20 AM
We slice him with our sabers. :)
While he slices you back, and heals, you mean? =)

StaffSaberist
11-17-2005, 09:33 AM
Or Force Pushes you off a cliffside? Or even funnier yet, pulls out the 2-gun and slowly blasts you?

(I can't remember the name of the weapon, I call it the 2-gun because that's the button I hit to activate it.)

ZeroX2
11-17-2005, 10:00 AM
Or Force Pushes you off a cliffside? Or even funnier yet, pulls out the 2-gun and slowly blasts you?

(I can't remember the name of the weapon, I call it the 2-gun because that's the button I hit to activate it.)
The DL-44 BlasTech Pistol? That's a great weapon.

thehomicidalegg
11-17-2005, 10:55 AM
or you can just wait out the absorb, drain his pool empty and then take a pick.

i always wondered why they replaced the bryar with the blastech...

ZeroX2
11-17-2005, 11:22 AM
or you can just wait out the absorb, drain his pool empty and then take a pick.
But a good light-sider isn't going to just stand there. He (or even she!) will kill you before it runs out. And while Absorb is active, he/she will be able to heal, while you will not.

i always wondered why they replaced the bryar with the blastech...
They didn't really replace it. You can still acquire the Bryar Pistol via cheats, or if a mapper includes it in the map. I suppose they just wanted to give the player a standard gun with unlimited ammo - so they added in the DL-44 BlasTech Pistol.

Kurgan
11-17-2005, 02:58 PM
And this could go on forever!

Anyway... yeah I have a seperate cfg for Dark, Light and Neutral Siege I have keys bound to. I also have a "master" config for Holocron/Jedi Master that isn't bound to anything but I can exec when needed. ;)

StaffSaberist
11-17-2005, 06:58 PM
@thehomicidalegg - The BlasTech fires slower than the Bryar, FYI.

@Kurgan - Ahh! I made an infinite post! *warp*

I play light usually, b/c I rely on Heal and Absorb, esp. with those who use Lightning all the time.

dumbledore
11-17-2005, 10:15 PM
i have both sides' cfgs bound to keys too ;) since which one is better depends on the situation.

acdcfanbill
11-18-2005, 03:05 AM
But a good light-sider isn't going to just stand there. He (or even she!) will kill you before it runs out. And while Absorb is active, he/she will be able to heal, while you will not.
It was well known in jk2, that darksides benefits far outweighs its failings, they are brought closer together in JA, but darkside still triumphs in any duel where the darksider knows what he is doing. LS ppl forget absorb makes noise, and since a darksider isnt going to give you any force while you have it on, you will eventially run out (ticked off by the sound quitting) and will procede to drain you and keep you at 0/low force while he sabers you up, taking a break to drain back health any time (s)he needs it.

ZeroX2
11-18-2005, 08:45 AM
It was well known in jk2, that darksides benefits far outweighs its failings, they are brought closer together in JA, but darkside still triumphs in any duel where the darksider knows what he is doing. LS ppl forget absorb makes noise, and since a darksider isnt going to give you any force while you have it on, you will eventially run out (ticked off by the sound quitting) and will procede to drain you and keep you at 0/low force while he sabers you up, taking a break to drain back health any time (s)he needs it.
But light-side triumphs when the lightsider knows what he is doing. What about players that only activate Absorb when the opponent is actually using force attacks on them, and deactivate it afterwards? Free force points.

And what's stopping the lightsider from killing the darksider while using Absorb?

Lathain Valtiel
11-18-2005, 03:15 PM
But a good light-sider isn't going to just stand there. He (or even she!) will kill you before it runs out. And while Absorb is active, he/she will be able to heal, while you will not.

Ha ha ha ha no.

Any dark sider even half decent at dodging will laugh off your attempts to kill him/her unless you procure a gun besides the pistol. What'll happen, if they are good, is that they'll bunny hop like mad at such a range that they can hear when your absorb fades. You can't Throw them, because if you do you just waste Force that doesn't regen while Absorb is up. And once it goes down, you get sucked dry by Drain, as Absorb has a one second delay before it can be reactivated and Force does not auto regen when it is up. You have to have godly movement skill to beat Drain without absorb, and judging from what you say, you don't.

I am frigging exclusively Light Side except in Jedi Master. I know what the hell I'm talking about. I've taken on the likes of mediablitz (and actually won a few times). The fact is, lightsiders are so ****ed against Drain it isn't funny.

Kurgan
11-18-2005, 03:36 PM
So mediablitz is good at JA? Nice to know he has other interests besides lurking and trolling. ;)

StaffSaberist
11-18-2005, 06:24 PM
Any dark sider even half decent at dodging will laugh off your attempts to kill him/her unless you procure a gun besides the pistol. What'll happen, if they are good, is that they'll bunny hop like mad at such a range that they can hear when your absorb fades. You can't Throw them, because if you do you just waste Force that doesn't regen while Absorb is up. And once it goes down, you get sucked dry by Drain, as Absorb has a one second delay before it can be reactivated and Force does not auto regen when it is up. You have to have godly movement skill to beat Drain without absorb, and judging from what you say, you don't.

What about Force Push? You can knock them down and use Throw while they are down. Some n00bs consider that unethical. I say only if that's all you do. Bunny-hopping uses Force Points too, you know, unless you jump so low they can just saber you.

I am frigging exclusively Light Side except in Jedi Master. I know what the hell I'm talking about. I've taken on the likes of mediablitz (and actually won a few times). The fact is, lightsiders are so ****ed against Drain it isn't funny.

Good. I play LS a lot too, and make frequent use of Absorb, Heal, and the occasional Mind Trick. mediablitz, ya say? I'd like a crack at that flamer. Call me a newbie, will he... and if LS is so ****ed, as you say, why not play DS? Absorb is an excellent power vs. the Dark Side, and I don't turn it on unless Force-Attacked. Sure, that means I take a little from Lightning, but I dish it back out with my Staff, or a gun if he gets away.

Lathain Valtiel
11-18-2005, 08:02 PM
Bunny hopping does not use Force if executed properly. Second, they will also be so damn fast most swings you attempt will just miss without insane timing that almost no one has. Third, using Push and Throw is an even worse idea than just throw, as doing that ENSURES you'll have no Force after Absorb is down and thus youll be a sitting duck to PT/GT/Lightning/etc.

Oh, by the way... Ha ha ha. You'd get dominated so hard by mediablitz it isn't funny.

StaffSaberist
11-18-2005, 08:10 PM
Do you have anything to do besides post flame-bait? That last sentence makes me want to have a crack at both of you, now. More inspiration to get better.

I was called a n00b because I said I like JA+. I like it because I can gun those people who spend all their time on the Grapple Hook. I say good riddiance to MxBxZ and his aliases. He's a flamin' jerk, even to Kurgan. Kurgan, most mods on other forums would ban him the second he admitted to a duplicate login. You're too nice. ;)

thehomicidalegg
11-18-2005, 09:24 PM
yes but what lathain said is very true.

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 03:00 PM
Regardless of mediablitz' attitude, the fact remains that he would most likely utterly destroy you. If I can't beat him, the fact is that the majority of JA players can't do it either. Take it as arrogance or WTFever, but also take it as damn true. Also take it as 'damn true' that Dark Side dominates Light Side in duels similarly to the domination scenario with the saber types... It takes incredible skill in a Lightsider to win to a decent Darksider in duel.... It takes even MORE skill to do it in Power Duel, and if the DSer is the single opponent... Your goose is cooked if they decide to Drain.

The FFA I had with him, Rad Blackrose, and some other guys was actually rather fun... I was in 2nd or 3rd too.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 03:38 PM
OK. So he's good. Whatever. I don't care how good he is - it matters more to me how good I can become. And the fact he can do well in JAMP doesn't make me dislike him any less.

*strokes the delete button on the first post*

No, not yet... let's see if we can get back on topic... topic was what advantages do each sides of the Force have, and what is your personal preference, and why...

ZeroX2
11-19-2005, 04:14 PM
Ha ha ha ha no.
...
I know what the hell I'm talking about.
Heh, and I don't, right? You are the master of all knowledge (just like in the saber debate!). Eh, believe what you want.

You have to have godly movement skill to beat Drain without absorb, and judging from what you say, you don't.
Just learn to defeat it. I recommend you practice specifically defeating Drain. You'll get it in no time.

Oh, by the way... Ha ha ha. You'd get dominated so hard by mediablitz it isn't funny.
Have you ever played StaffSaberist? No? Well then.

What'll happen, if they are good, is that they'll bunny hop like mad
So he/she will run away? What's stopping the light-sider from running away upon losing Absorb?

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 04:50 PM
*sigh* OK, I'll get into this...

Heh, and I don't, right? You are the master of all knowledge (just like in the saber debate!). Eh, believe what you want.

Don't care about that quite as much as the air of arrogance that post brought to the thread. (Talking about LV)

Just learn to defeat it. I recommend you practice specifically defeating Drain. You'll get it in no time.

Absorb, saber, repeat second step as necessary...

Have you ever played StaffSaberist? No? Well then.

No comment. The only people I have played yet is a few n00bs with Grapple Hooks and the tendency to abuse Grip. Then call me pathetic for refusing to Grapple.

So he/she will run away? What's stopping the light-sider from running away upon losing Absorb?

Well, he said that they will jump up and down in the air. Very annoying. It also gives the LSer a chance to abandon Absorb, and use Speed to get the hell outta there till they are in more advantagous terrain. Or saber a nearly-dead guy and up their frag count by 1.

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 06:53 PM
Oh please ZeroX2. It's obvious from your posts that you have no clue of some of the finer points of the gameplay mechanics as they apply ingame. You trying to tell me to learn something is a sick joke.

What'll stop the LSer from running away? Wrong question.

Here's the right question: How can I damage him as he's running? DS has the perfect tools. How about Grip? How about Lightning? How about Drain to make sure they aren't getting Force back and you're getting massive amounts of health back? All three are quasi-area of effect attacks, which LS does not have at all.

The point is that no matter what you do against a good Dark Sider you are going to take damage once your Absorb is up UNLESS you are a hiding god (it can be done, it's just that, as I said, the skill required is insane), and the reverse does not necessarily apply if you are a Lightie due to a lack of consistently damaging long range attacks except for Pull Throw, which takes around 40-50 force per shot. Once you do it twice at max your ass is up for a Lightning-delivered roasting or PT/GT-Drain combos.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 06:58 PM
Here's the right question: How can I damage him as he's running? DS has the perfect tools. How about Grip? How about Lightning? How about Drain to make sure they aren't getting Force back and you're getting massive amounts of health back?

How 'bout Absorb?

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 06:59 PM
I've already said that since his force doesn't regenerate by itself while it is up, and acdcfanbill has said that it makes a sound (which is true), you are screwed the moment it goes down. There is a delay after which you can activate it again.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 07:07 PM
If I use Speed+Absorb and get away, how will you keep up? By wasting 50 Force Points with speed yourself, after I have a 2 second head start? I find that difficult to believe that you would even consider such a tactic. Were I you at that point, I'd let the guy go, and catch up to him later, fragging others as you see fit.

Say I am facing you. You start winning, so I give you a Saber Staff kick and knock you to the ground. I turn on Speed, and go away. By the time you are back up, either a)I've gotten away, or b)I fell off a cliff somewhere from going too fast and running into a battle. What then, if a is true?

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 07:10 PM
..What others? I've been talking about dueling, not FFA. Closest thing to others' only exists in Power Duel, which is a whole different animal.

Lightning and Drain have greater range than a blade. Second, at that point it can easily come down to who can strafe jump better, which is legitimate. However, you aren't doing damage either, now are you? Hence, in the end, he'll have Speed for a split second after you run out, and more Force than you if he follows. Hello Drain/Lightning I can't defend against!

ZeroX2
11-19-2005, 07:13 PM
All you seem to be saying are the following:
-You are better than everybody else (you know everything about the game).
-Anybody that argues with you obviously doesn't know anything about the game, or lacks skill in the game.
-If you have difficulty performing something, it must be impossible, or require tremendous skill. It's inconceivable that you could be doing something wrong.

I guess you just like to argue, right?

There is a delay after which you can activate it again.
But that doesn't stop you activating it. Sure, you'll get hit by some of the dark-side force, but not enough to fully drain or kill you. And when you reactivate Absorb, chances are, you'll absorb some of the opponent's force before he/she can release the button,

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 07:16 PM
Ah, but you've TAKEN DAMAGE 'or' lost Force and they've regained health, and chances are you won't have enough force to Heal presuming the attacker is good at the button release. Meanwhile, they're better off and you aren't either way.

Hence, your argument is a tad useless.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 08:28 PM
Talking about Duels, LV? When did I say this was limited to duels? Never. In duels, yes, the Speed+Absorb strtegy is stupid. I'd be better off using only Speed and running rings around you. That would be funny gor the Spectators to watch. I meant for FFA when I mentioned Speed+Absorb.

In duels, I never use Absorb unless attacked by the Force. Thus, I do take a split-second of damage to health or Force mana. But that isn't really enough to worry about, a slash will take that off. Thus, I regain Force via my opponent, (And I turn off Absorb after the enemy is done) and I lose little health, he OTOH has lost Force Mana. Thus, your arguement is a tad useless.

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 08:40 PM
Now you're just trying to look intelligent. And failing. Miserably.

Considering the fact that the argument between ACDCFanbill, me, and ZeroX2 centered around duel, I see no reason to care about your first paragraph, especially since 'running rings' around someone does no damage and is fairly easily countered even without applying Speed yourself.

As for your second paragraph... i'm sorry, but at this point you must be blind. Absorb makes a sound. Certainly, you've maybe regained a bit of Force, but they've also taken points off either your force or health meters, so chances are you aren't exactly better off. They can easily regenerate themselves by staying out of blade range for Force, and Draining you when Absorb goes down for health (or going for Lightning damage). Either way he gains and you are no better off. You lose. Insert a coin to try again.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 08:57 PM
Please! What kind of fool do you take us for? No frikken dur, Absorb makes a sound! I don't care! The Force you get back is worth a little sound! And what kind of idiot keeps Absorb on when the enemy is not using Force-based attacks? Sorry, but calling me an idiot and pretending to run the show only works if you are admin-ing a server. So, take this coin and shove it... *remembers that StaffSabetist is a light-ided character*

"you must be blind... absorb makes a sound..."

Um... I'd have to be deaf, right?

Okay, just to make absolutely sure you understand, I'll go over the scenario again:

1. Enemy tries Lightning/Drain/Grip.
2. I turn on Absorb, takibg 5-10 damage at worst.
3. Enemy ceases the futile Force attack.
4. I turn off Absorb, not wanting to waste Force Points.
5. Battle continues as normal. Steps 1-4 are usually repeated once or twice.
Your mileage may vary.

OK, so what's wrong with that? If the enemy wants to waste Force mana. fine. If not... the saber battle returns. I may win or I may not, depending on all the usual factors of saber combat.

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 09:06 PM
Blind in context to reading my posts, obviously.

Why don't I edit in what'll happen when you turn off Absorb?

4. I turn off Absorb, not wanting to waste Force Points.
5a: I am Lightninged as it goes down, meaning I lose Health. Now I can either use Force Healing, which means me using Absorb is delayed, or I simply take the damage as is and Absorb to prevent sustaining more. The enemy gets to dodge and regen his force points.
5b: I am Drained dry, so that I can't even use Absorb anymore, and my enemy gains health.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 09:08 PM
You assume the opponent uses only Force attacks. Opponents usually try a saber blow while the other human is preoccupied hitting their Absorb toggle...

or better yet, their Mind Trick toggle, forcing the enemy to waste valuable Force Points in Seeing. If they have it.

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 09:13 PM
Yeah, but I generally speak of good opponents. Which is pretty much mutually exclusive with the majority in JA.

No comment on Mind Trick, I have to check its force costs.

ZeroX2
11-19-2005, 09:24 PM
No comment on Mind Trick, I have to check its force costs.
It uses 20 force points to toggle it on.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 09:46 PM
And Force Seeing is the same, I believe. So, Abosrb, Mind Trick, and Heal vs. Grip, Drain and Lightning. (Protect and Rage aren't so useful as the others)This we have known about since JK3 came out. And yet, this is as far as we have gotten in this arguement. Nowhere. How ironic, in retrospect.

Lathain Valtiel
11-19-2005, 10:13 PM
Regardless, you do not regenerate Force with Mind Trick active. So either way you wind up with less Force... So meh to Mind Trick, I'd rather regen my Force points than waste them using Seeing.

StaffSaberist
11-19-2005, 10:38 PM
Hello, attack-from-behind!

I just had to say that. In the end, I suppose it all boils down to personal preference. I can't believe I'm saying this about my own thread, but it is due for closure. We've had our argument, and blown off steam... again. :)

thehomicidalegg
11-21-2005, 01:19 PM
mindtrick is pretty useful if the server has jk2 kicks enabled, because it does not turn off when you kick, so it forces the opponent to use seeing

ZeroX2
11-21-2005, 02:13 PM
Or if you kick via the Saber Staff.

I've had a lot of fun Mind-Trick-Kicking flag carriers around that are foolish enough to Force Speed in a straight line. ^^

StaffSaberist
11-21-2005, 06:18 PM
I've got the flag! Lemme look for enemies!

<.<

>.>

>.<

Don't see anybody! *Runs* *Gets kicked, sabered*

An all too common problem with n00bs. ;)

I like to mix kicks in with my saber attacks. If I succeed, I either Heal or Speed off. i don't do a finishing move b/c I get called a n00b. Oh, well... :)

Kurgan
12-01-2005, 10:04 AM
One thing I realize I never thought about... can a Drain user regain health from an enemy with no mana left? I know you can use Drain on them, but will it do anything if there's nothing left to Drain?

acdcfanbill
12-01-2005, 03:10 PM
yes, you can debate all the stratigies you want, but when it comes down to it, no light sider has ever defeated a darksider in competitive play, in fact, i've never even seen a good player even use lightside in FF duels.

acdcfanbill
12-01-2005, 03:13 PM
One thing I realize I never thought about... can a Drain user regain health from an enemy with no mana left? I know you can use Drain on them, but will it do anything if there's nothing left to Drain?

no you dont get any health from a person with 0 force, however, it normally occurs like this...

you are draining someone and since your a good player, you've waited until you know you have more force than they do (based on actions you've both taken) and you toggle drain on (hold key or w/e). now that its on, it will run you down to ~20 force points and kick off, since you made sure you had more than the other guy, he will go down to zero. you will both regen a few points, until your drain kicks back on automatically (if your holding it, or toggled it) and will take his few (5-10) force points back away, giving you only a few health points (5 or so if i remimber right). any patient dark sider will keep just out of saber range and just in drain range til they are full health and go back to fighting, while being 20 force points up on the competition.

StaffSaberist
12-01-2005, 06:15 PM
I thought if you were out of mana, it took your health. At least, I know that's happened to me a couple of times, when I was out of mana finishing a round of Absorb.

RobQel-Droma
12-01-2005, 09:21 PM
Mostly I use lightside powers as a majority, with only Grip and Lightning for DS powers. As far as I am concerned, Rage and Drain are useless unless you have them rank 3; and by doing that, you lose points you could have spent on others that are better: Heal, Protect, and Mind Trick.

Alkonium
12-01-2005, 09:24 PM
I master all the light powers, then master lightning, making me a nearly invincible Jedi, immune to the Force and physical attacks, and strong in both.

StaffSaberist
12-01-2005, 09:39 PM
You can't be both alignments in MP unless you have an uber-jedi hack/mod. In SP the enemy is weak anyway, doesn't matter if you only have core force. But in MP, you gotta be a little tougher. ;)

RobQel-Droma
12-01-2005, 09:40 PM
Does anyone know how many force points and/or vitality points reborn have? Because they sometimes cast force powers so many times (rage) that it is impossible for them to not die, or to have enough force points. It seems like they cheat.

I know, a bit off topic, but that always annoys me.

StaffSaberist
12-01-2005, 09:59 PM
You can figure out their vitality in the SP game. Save your game and type:

playermodel reborn_new

You will become a reborn from JA and will have the same vitality, force, etc. But any former allies nearby will treat you as hostile, even if you go back by typing "playermodel player". So, load the save, and you can return to normal.

Wow, 1,000+ posts! Hat's off to you. I'm working on that. ;)

acdcfanbill
12-02-2005, 12:32 AM
I thought if you were out of mana, it took your health. At least, I know that's happened to me a couple of times, when I was out of mana finishing a round of Absorb.
i'm pretty sure it works like that in SP, but in MP, i've never seen drain take hp, unless it was some mod your using. lots of mods tip the balance in lightsides favor, and i've seen many honor servers simply disable every darkside power except rage because they are 'lame'. so to note, everything i've stated is about basejka in MP :)

Kurgan
12-02-2005, 05:58 AM
A lot of people get confused by Drain. Here is how it works (in basejka, as opposed to some wacky mod):

SP: Steals enemy's health and gives it to you. (and you can grab them at close range!)

MP: Steals enemy's Force mana and gives you health in exchange. (you can't grab them, period)

Also, IIRC in MP, we discovered through testing that if you drain somebody that has Absorb on, you don't steal mana, and I'm fairly sure the person using Absorb does get mana back (assuming they have a high enough level to completely counter the power).

I didn't really want to jump heavily into this debate since I'm not really much of a duelist, but when people say "bunny hopping" they mean rapid use of normal jump (not force jump) with strafing and running. So technically the act of "bunny hopping" itself doesn't use any mana.

StaffSaberist
12-02-2005, 09:21 AM
i'm pretty sure it works like that in SP, but in MP, i've never seen drain take hp, unless it was some mod your using. lots of mods tip the balance in lightsides favor, and i've seen many honor servers simply disable every darkside power except rage because they are 'lame'. so to note, everything i've stated is about basejka in MP


So has mine. But, if I am wrong, ok. I guess I confused MP with SP. Hopefully, it won't happen again, feel free to /amslap me if I say something stupid like: "Katas don't root you to the spot!"

I didn't really want to jump heavily into this debate since I'm not really much of a duelist, but when people say "bunny hopping" they mean rapid use of normal jump (not force jump) with strafing and running. So technically the act of "bunny hopping" itself doesn't use any mana.

*realizes that even the Staff, with it's limited range, can reach that S-O-B if he looks up and primary fires*

That's kinda easy to counter, now that I think about it. And, if all else fails, hit 'em as they go up/come down. :D

thehomicidalegg
12-02-2005, 02:35 PM
the point of bunnyhopping is to move extremely fast from 1 location to another - much faster than normal running, and unless you can strafe better than your opponent, you are not going to catch up and hit them when they come down.

jedi_68
12-03-2005, 09:48 AM
Good Morning everyone

-I have just played JA in SP mode. I'm for the lightside of the force.

-I have played both LS and DS. Don't use much of the force powers, F1 thru F4 are the quick buttons you have.

- also their is less jedi to fight on the LS in the SP mode.

Have a good day!

StaffSaberist
12-05-2005, 10:20 AM
Good morning! (I hate it to all heck when User CP doesn't show replies)

MP Force is a bit different, you know. Though I do agree to go LS. ;)

the point of bunnyhopping is to move extremely fast from 1 location to another - much faster than normal running, and unless you can strafe better than your opponent, you are not going to catch up and hit them when they come down.


Or... Forward roll ahead of them, strafe, and hit them as they come at you. Not to mention, a quick Pull will bring them back to you, so you gan saber them. And, of course, if they are running away from you, you can whip out the Imperial Heavy Repeater, the Flechette, or any other gun to show them what happens to honorz saberists. :D

acdcfanbill
12-05-2005, 02:17 PM
a roll is much slower, if you role, someone strafe jumping will go right past you.

StaffSaberist
12-05-2005, 06:30 PM
Never noticed, I usally use Speed with rolls. :D

mivoci1
11-08-2006, 03:08 PM
I prefer Force Grip and then lightsaber throw.Grip is for true darksiders if that fails no matter if he has absorb on or off finish him with lightsaber my opinion but Force Lightning whoa that does damage my favorite power are grip lightning drain dark rage and destrucution

Anakin Skywalker
11-28-2006, 07:02 AM
I am going to have to go Dark Side of the Force; Lightning, Grip, Force Drain are the best Force Powers ever! The Power of the Dark Side is a wonderful thing that should be used to our advantage...... not to use it against us.

Genral O
12-06-2006, 08:43 PM
Lightside.I rely on force heal alot!

Anakin Skywalker
12-07-2006, 12:03 AM
^

Ahhh.... but with Force Drain, you can heal yourself, AND kill your opponents at the same time.... :D

StaffSaberist
12-07-2006, 01:46 AM
See, Heal gets more healed at a time. Plus, you don't need to be in range of an opponent to Heal. In the biz, we call that a "tactical withdrawal" or "0MFG MY H34l1h |z 4t f|\/e l3mm3 h34l!"

Anakin Skywalker
12-10-2006, 05:27 PM
tush *clears throat....* I.... uhh..... mean tooshae....

Umm.... Still the Darksided power, can kill your opponents, that's why I usually have both LS and DS heal powers

Diego Varen
12-11-2006, 04:57 PM
I'm usually on the light side, but I do use both sides of the Force. And Heal is better than Drain in my opinion. The worst Force Power is Rage for me.

StaffSaberist
12-11-2006, 06:05 PM
Rage. Now there's a useless force power. Not as much speed boost as Speed, takes away health and makes you slower afterward. Where's the upside?

Samuel Dravis
12-15-2006, 05:03 PM
Rage+Speed = own. :)

Good for ctf..

Anakin Skywalker
01-01-2007, 01:49 AM
But the Darkside rulez... although...... Rage is a very "useless power....... Force Lightning, Force Drain, and Force Heal are the best powers in the game, so I usually mix the two

Grey Master
01-01-2007, 02:58 AM
Neither, Grey side is the best, because I can use both LS and DS powers. :xp:

thehomicidalegg
01-07-2007, 09:38 AM
Never noticed, I usally use Speed with rolls. :D

speed with rolls is hardly any different to speed and run, which is nothing compared to strafing with speed, try a ctf server sometime and you will see (or even a decent tffa server)

See, Heal gets more healed at a time. Plus, you don't need to be in range of an opponent to Heal. In the biz, we call that a "tactical withdrawal" or "0MFG MY H34l1h |z 4t f|\/e l3mm3 h34l!"

this assumes that you can escape from your opponent, which you wont be able to do via rolling. also assuming you are dueling there would be a limited space for which the fight to take place. if it was pure ffa then dying would hardly matter. you heal once and they drain you wont have much force left and will be sitting duck for the rest of the fight


Rage. Now there's a useless force power. Not as much speed boost as Speed, takes away health and makes you slower afterward. Where's the upside?

rage can be very useful in siege. e.g. assaulting in korriban, knocking down kataing jedis on desert. also in mass ffa and you want quick kills rage is also good

Vaelastraz
01-14-2007, 12:20 PM
Well in single player Lightning for mass destruction of stormtroopers, heal for some lame immortality (you can always run and spamm heal), absorbtion for protection against *sometimes* annoying force powers and grip for funnier gameplay.



Multiplayer: Uh.. that depends. I never played a lot of siege/ctf/ffa, I more or less concentrated on Duels without force. :D
Anyway, in duels with force (unmodded) drain is lame. heal yourself while draining the force of your opponent...
Drain counters everything. Absorbtion protects against it, but that's not an offensive power. If you skill drain, push and force sight, you are virtually not beatable through force powers.

FFA is another story...that lame modded grip kick.

ImpElite
01-14-2007, 02:34 PM
I use light side powers most, I find them most effective versus multiple opponnents (except if the enemy(ies) only has a little bit of health, if so I use lightning on them)

by the way, does ANYONE EVER go online? (PC JKA)

Titanius Anglesmith
01-14-2007, 08:59 PM
I usually play lightside, mostly because the dark side ending is really crappy. Heal, Protect, Absorb, Grip, and Lighting are all maxed out by Taspir.

by the way, does ANYONE EVER go online? (PC JKA)
I used to play online everyday, but I was forced to stop a couple of months ago, November 8 to be exact. By saying "does ANYONE EVER go online" makes me think it's suddenly empty. It was pretty active back when I used to play, is it not anymore?

ImpElite
01-14-2007, 09:52 PM
I go online everyday to check to see if there's a game going, but every day it's empty, empty, empty.

DarthMuffin
01-15-2007, 05:48 PM
^^
Well, it's quite old now. And JA was never what I'd call a blockbuster game.

Anyway, I used to go light side. Heal and the various protection powers are neat. Too bad DS no longer has destruction and deadly sight from JK1 :(

thehomicidalegg
01-15-2007, 06:25 PM
I go online everyday to check to see if there's a game going, but every day it's empty, empty, empty.

depends on what you want to play. everytime I go on, i have pretty good games. there are stil plenty of servers and players online all the time.

ImpElite
01-16-2007, 10:32 PM
I usually play lightside, mostly because the dark side ending is really crappy. Heal, Protect, Absorb, Grip, and Lighting are all maxed out by Taspir.


I used to play online everyday, but I was forced to stop a couple of months ago, November 8 to be exact. By saying "does ANYONE EVER go online" makes me think it's suddenly empty. It was pretty active back when I used to play, is it not anymore?

Okay i went online and found out I had it on Local, not Internet, when I switched it to internet there were plenty of games.

Lantzen
09-18-2007, 08:45 AM
Long time since i played this game, but it's usalt diffrent from time to time. I play what i feel like.

Darth Xander
01-12-2008, 05:50 PM
I play DS also Its fun to use force grip because on levels like Taspir III its fun to hold your enemy over the edge of a bridge or roof and hold them over the lava then simple let go mwahaha.

DeadYorick
01-14-2008, 01:42 AM
I use light side. Mainly since I don't use very many combat force except for Lightning or (sometimes) grip. But I like light side since almost everyone in my clan is a darksider. I just use Absorb against them and go in for the kill. Plus I can use HEAL. One of the best force powers ever