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Cygnus Q'ol
11-16-2005, 10:23 AM
Who would like to alter, enhance or change your lightsaber colors?

I don't mean just changing the crystals.
I mean with enough XP and the right crystals and fixtures found about in the game, you get the ability (using a workbench of course), to alter the hue or brightness of your selected color(s).

I wouldn'd mind a double colored saberstaff either.
... I had one in a dream once.

The Doctor
11-16-2005, 01:57 PM
I don't like the idea of a multi coloured doublesaber. It doesn't seem natural. I do, however, agree that we should be able to change the brightness and intensity of the saber blade.

Axe Windu
11-16-2005, 04:14 PM
Yeah... I mean we can take lightsaber customization up a notch but we cant get crazy with it. I think it would be cool if everyone had there own saber. By that I mean when you make your saber its (enter names) saber. And if someone is using there saber they get a +1 to hit with it. And maybe different sabers can have different things about them to more costomize the feel. Maybe you could change the way the hilt and stuff looks too. Serioulsy though in the movies you see Green, Blue, and Red. Mace Windu has his purple which is due to him getting some rare crystal on a quest or something...? So I dunno if we have to get that crazy with colors. Maybe a pink saber would be cool or different variations on the same colors.

Achilles
11-16-2005, 05:57 PM
I really don't see how that will enhance gameplay. Considering you'd have to have individual model and texture files for each of the individual shades or hues, you're also wasting a lot of space on something that isn't going to have that much "wow" factor.

KOTORwhore69
11-16-2005, 06:11 PM
I would totally make a pink light saber with a aqua colored handle shaped like a Ketchup bottle. The ketchup bottle handle could squirt this aqua liquid that when placed on hot dogs it turns the persons skin thats eatin it green and its shrinks their penis to the size of 4inch speggeti noodle. That would kick ass. And ingraved on the bottle it would say Premium Knighty Olds Juice in Dark black writing. Just imagine what a Jedi would be capable of doing with that kind of light saber. He could rule the Universe single handedly.

lukeiamyourdad
11-16-2005, 06:12 PM
^^^^
Agreed.

Besides, it's the crystal that gives the saber its color. It wouldn't be "realistic" if you could alter it that easily.

Color crystals should be more accessible though.

johnhawke
11-16-2005, 08:24 PM
um.. yeah.. a ketchup bottle shaped saber... These two fellows in the White Robes will take you to a place where you can have all the ketchup you want. ;)

Hallucination
11-16-2005, 08:40 PM
I thought about it a while ago, but I came up with the idea to add 'shading crystal slot'. In that slot you could put one of 2 crystals (a darkening one and a lightening one) one crystal makes the saber a lighter colour (red becomes pink etc.) and one make the saber darker. I don't really care to much about saber colour, as long as they have purple.

johnhawke
11-17-2005, 09:37 AM
I seem to remember reading somewhere that purple identifies with a rogue in the Jedi order. Hence Mara's purple saber. It didn't make sense for me to see mace with one until I heard that it was a contractual thing with SLJ so he would stand out in the Geonosis battle. Of course I could be wrong, but I swear I heard that somewhere. Maybe, idk....

Cygnus Q'ol
11-17-2005, 10:47 AM
I really, really, really want a Black lightsaber.

Impossible you say?
I think not.

I know of a way it can be done. It would be too sweet.





"Upon my presence with a black saber, all jedi would cower in fear..."

Amor
11-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Then how could it be done? Black color with white glow? IMO that wouldn't look really realistic...

Axe Windu
11-17-2005, 05:26 PM
Yo I thought Mara Jade had a pink saber. And Mace Windus purple overrides Maras purple even if it was purple. Because Mace Windu was in a movie and Mara Jade is just in EU. It was more of a request from Jackson then a contract thing and Lukas agreed. He also wanted BMF on his hilt (I kid you not) because of pulp fiction but Lukas was like ok no. Originally in episode 1 the Mace action figures had a blue saber and the hilt was different. It was only after they decided to expand upon the role that Jackson requested purple. Now apparantly he built his Amethyst and Gold lightsaber between episodes 1 and 2. However he supposidly had purple the whole time and the reason being in EU is Mace when he was though Mace was the best pupil of the jedi trained with him he was the last to complete a saber. When asked why he told the council he wanted a real challange to collect the best pieces to complete his saber they sent him back to his home planet of Haruun Kal to find these pieces. There he saved a native from falling into a chasim and was rewarded with a unique Amethyst crystal... a crystal that produced a unique purple blade of a lightsaber. Also if a rogue had purple wouldnt Jolee or Quigon Jin have purple? Actually I gave Jolee purple purely because he was black and I think all black people should have purple light sabors. Seroiusly its my favorate color but especially for black people. My favorate PC in all Star Wars RPG Axe Windu... Mace Windus great great whatever whose a Jedi Weapon Master. See Axe is also a one syllable midevil weapon like Mace... see what I did there...

Hallucination
11-17-2005, 08:45 PM
^^Axe Windu.... learn how to use paragraphs. It helps people take you more seriously.

@JohnHawke: That 'rogue jedi' thing you said sounds like a Wikipedia or Super Shadow to me. And Super Shadow gives you AIDs.

The Doctor
11-17-2005, 09:26 PM
@Ace Windu: How do you know what colour lightsaber Windu had in TPM? we never see it, so we'll never know. Please state your source on this "information".

Axe Windu
11-19-2005, 03:53 PM
the actions figures from TPM of Mace had a blue lightsaber... also the hilt in TPM was different then the hilt in Ep2 and 3... so there is debate whether Mace just changed the hilt and it was the same crystal or if in that time period he contructed an entirly unique and new saber, his newer saber also was laced in some type of gold. EU says Mace always had purple but non EU says he changed it between movies thats why in the 1st movie the action figures were blue. I just think they didnt know yet what color he had.

Engma48
11-19-2005, 05:35 PM
im not so sure about changing the hue of the saber blades, i was thinking that when you make your first lightsaber then you can change the designs of the hilt and the color of the blade, and also the upgrades, but to keep it from being too powerful you cant upgrade the blade but only build it with the enhancements, that way you will have to get all the crystals first before you build it then put them in, after you build the lightsaber, you wont be able to change any of the crystals inside it

Engma48
11-19-2005, 05:38 PM
also to comment on the lightsaber of mace windu, in the books and storyline of star wars, it says that mace windu got his purple crystal before he built his lightsaber, he always had dreams and visions of his lightsaber and wouldnt create it until it would look like his visions. then one day he saved the life of a boy who gave him the unique crystal of his lightsaber that is why he is the only one with a purple lightsaber in the movies

DarthLinde
11-19-2005, 08:52 PM
All this Mace Windu history stuff hurts my brain. But, back on topic, I don't really like that idea because yeah like someone way up there said, the crystals controls it, and, well I don't want to work that much on it. And, uh, everyone stole my ideas! Everyone who disagreed I agree with them.

Engma48
11-19-2005, 08:56 PM
i apologize for the Mace Windu history, hehe, he is my fav character from star wars, simply because Samual L. Jackson is the man

Sabretooth
11-20-2005, 01:48 AM
My concept is that you can have multiple colour crystals and the power crystals too have colours, so that they overall affect the lightsaber's look. For eg. Adding a green and blue crystal will give a cyan blade, or a yellow+red crystal will give you orange etc.

RobQel-Droma
11-20-2005, 06:30 PM
I think that would be a good idea, but I don't think that we should have multi-coloured saberstaff.

Cygnus Q'ol
11-21-2005, 10:30 AM
I think that would be a good idea, but I don't think that we should have multi-coloured saberstaff.

Why not? You don't have to use it if you don't want to.

"I want, I want, I want, I need, I need, I need!"

JediMaster12
11-21-2005, 01:04 PM
I wouldn't mind something in which the power crystals could visibly affect the coloring and properties of the lightsabers. After all didn't Master Zhar say that the crystals could alter the coloring or even the properties of the lightsaber?
I do say this however, I hated building a lightsaber but a Jedi must learn to build their own if they want to pass the trials and be granted the rank of Padawan.

Hallucination
11-21-2005, 09:17 PM
^^Exactly. The crystal could affect the blade colour and power. Most crystals only affect one thing. Thats why there are 3 slots. You answered your own question...

Liit Orda
11-30-2005, 10:46 AM
Perhaps the ability to alter size, much like how Malak has a bigger lightsaber in Kotor? That'd be cool.

Cygnus Q'ol
11-30-2005, 11:47 AM
Perhaps the ability to alter size, much like how Malak has a bigger lightsaber in Kotor? That'd be cool.

Exactly! I was even toying with the idea of the single blade that can transform with a click to the staff, much like Darth Maul in Episode I.

I would very much like to be able to do this. However this may create a problem with crystals and upgrades. There must be a way to do this.

lukeiamyourdad
11-30-2005, 12:58 PM
Exactly! I was even toying with the idea of the single blade that can transform with a click to the staff, much like Darth Maul in Episode I.

I would very much like to be able to do this. However this may create a problem with crystals and upgrades. There must be a way to do this.


I like the idea too, but I don't think there's any problem with the crystal and blade. Afterall, the double-bladed saber uses the same upgrade and crystal slots.
It wouldn't be a problem at all.

For a longer blade though, I'd like it if they made it a seperate saber style. Like how the regular is a standard long sword and the long blade a mighty claymore. Something like that would be interesting.

Rediy
11-30-2005, 03:16 PM
I like the idea too, but I don't think there's any problem with the crystal and blade. Afterall, the double-bladed saber uses the same upgrade and crystal slots.
It wouldn't be a problem at all.

For a longer blade though, I'd like it if they made it a seperate saber style. Like how the regular is a standard long sword and the long blade a mighty claymore. Something like that would be interesting.


Yeah, that could be very cool. I'd like to see different sized, styled and types of sabers. Maybe some new effects. I'd like to see the game go into some hardcore dynamic lighting, dx9 style.


If you wanted more customization for the saber, perhaps you could customize your hilt. Say there are like 10 options for a few different sections of the hilt, that you can cycle through when you are building it allowing you to mix and match. While it wouldn't effect game play, it could add a little more immersion, as it is custom built for you and you alone.

Cygnus Q'ol
11-30-2005, 03:36 PM
Yeah, that could be very cool. I'd like to see different sized, styled and types of sabers. Maybe some new effects. I'd like to see the game go into some hardcore dynamic lighting, dx9 style.


If you wanted more customization for the saber, perhaps you could customize your hilt. Say there are like 10 options for a few different sections of the hilt, that you can cycle through when you are building it allowing you to mix and match. While it wouldn't effect game play, it could add a little more immersion, as it is custom built for you and you alone.

Yes, yes, customize!!! I would like to customize most everything useable.
Like I said, I like my options.

JediMaster12
11-30-2005, 09:02 PM
Exactly! I was even toying with the idea of the single blade that can transform with a click to the staff, much like Darth Maul in Episode I.

Way cool idea. I've often wondered why the devs couldn't do that for the game. Maybe there is hope for KOTOR 3.

Cygnus Q'ol
12-16-2005, 01:21 PM
Would you use a special crystal that changes blade color with the mood/health/ or alignment of the user?

Example: Jedi Gardian or Sentinal. Trouble ensues and you breakout the saber.
It's brilliant blue hue flashes as it crosses with a red sith saber. Depending on the battle, or your foe or your demeanor or health, the saber slowly changes hue then its color altogether.

Perhaps, as I get stronger or weaker, or angrier or calm, my saber reacts with a color change during combat. Of course this would be an unlockable item at some point and used only if desired.

JediMaster12
12-16-2005, 05:55 PM
Gives a whole new meaning to the term mood swings.

Statement: Interesting idea. Musing, I think the Master would appreciate a mood lightsaber.

lukeiamyourdad
12-16-2005, 06:43 PM
That would be bloody annoying.

It would mean that all Jedi are feeling sad because of their blue lightsabers.

PoiuyWired
12-16-2005, 10:17 PM
Lets have the JA+ pimpsabers!!! :)

Jae Onasi
12-17-2005, 12:16 AM
I like different color options, but if forced to choose between the devs putting in color or power upgrades, I'll go for the power upgrades any day.

RobQel-Droma
12-17-2005, 02:36 AM
Statement: Interesting idea. Musing, I think the Master would appreciate a mood lightsaber.

:lol: Jedi Weaponsmasters: Sad Jedi.
Jedi Watchmen: Scared Jedi
Jedi Master: Sick Jedi

That is kind of funny, actually. And then - Sith whatevers: Embarrased. :giggle1:

I don't really care if they change the color crystals any more, I liked the colors they had now. Of course, just a couple more crystals would be nice. As for everything else, I don't really care.

Aurora Merlow
12-17-2005, 07:13 AM
I don't mind the idea, wouldn't be opposed to it

RobQel-Droma
12-17-2005, 07:35 PM
...Haruun Kal...

Actually, as I remember, he got the purple crystal from a planet called Hurrikaine. Something about "...braving the rock-encrusted natives..."

Why not? You don't have to use it if you don't want to.

But if they put that in the game (which I doubt) then there would probably be someone using a dual-colored saberstaff, so I would see it. Secondly, it doesn't seem Star Wars, it just doesn't feel right. Kind of the same way I feel about being able to wield dual saberstaffs. More for a mod idea than anything.

Darca Lar
12-17-2005, 10:36 PM
Wielding two saberstaffs seems a little unreal for the ideal jedi, even for someone like Darth Maul who was extremely well trained, it just seems much too hard to master without a limb being cut off.

lukeiamyourdad
12-17-2005, 10:42 PM
As far as I know, lightsaber combat still has some realism to it, including how someone can realistically fight. Two double-blades would be almost impossible to master. Even if someone did, it would be too hard to wield for nothing.

Cygnus Q'ol
12-19-2005, 02:53 PM
Dual saberstaffs is just plain silly.

Multi-colored saberstaffs...

Well, it was just an idea. no harm done.
I guess I'd have to see how it looks.

JediMaster12
12-21-2005, 02:05 PM
I see more gray than dark or light and both extremes annoy me, but I will say this, the color options for the color crystals in TSL were good, more choice but I can't recall if there was a clause for the color of the blade in the Jedi code.

Cygnus Q'ol
12-22-2005, 11:17 AM
I see more gray than dark or light and both extremes annoy me, but I will say this, the color options for the color crystals in TSL were good, more choice but I can't recall if there was a clause for the color of the blade in the Jedi code.

Has anyone seen the sith use anything but red?

Guardian: Blue
Sentinel: Yellow
Counsular: Green
I don't think there are restrictions for changing color. I haven't seen anything in the code that limits color use.

jedi3112
12-22-2005, 11:37 AM
How about altering the color by using the basic Red/Green/Blue setup of the color. I think setting the percentage of the maximum of each color would give you plenty of options to tweak the color of your blade. It would also make for a black or a white saber (all colors to 0% or 100% respectively). It also gives you about 1 million (very slightly) different options for the color.

Cygnus Q'ol
12-22-2005, 12:39 PM
I welcome a fresh approach to customizing as much as the next guy, and I wouldn't be opposed to a simpler approach to saber color modification.

We'll see what they come up with.

Ztalker
12-22-2005, 01:19 PM
I do think customizing your lightsaber would be cool.
You can then make a specific colour that you really like, thus ioncreasing your bond with the Pc and increasing game-coolness

Hallucination
12-22-2005, 02:04 PM
Has anyone seen the sith use anything but red?
On Kashyyyk one of the sith that you fight uses purple.

RobQel-Droma
12-22-2005, 07:11 PM
I always thought that purple, orange, and red were the Sith colors. Purple is the combination of the Jedi Guardian's blue, and the Sith's red. Orange is the combination of the Sentinel's yellow, and the Sith's red. And so on- they are like "in-between" colors.

But usually you only see Sith using purple and red. As for more Sith using purple, several of the Sith Lords on Dxun used purple, and at the endboss battle Traya calls up those three purple floating sabers.

ChAiNz.2da
12-23-2005, 06:27 AM
well.. purple is actually a "Sam Jackson wanted to stand out in a crowd" color ;)

But many theories are out there to give it a more "elegant" history to it's existence.

My favorite is because of the Force Form Mace Windu uses borders Dark Side tactics.. the combination of Red (Sith) & Blue (Jedi) makes his saber "Purple"...

Seemed appropriate and although a bit convenient for explanantions, it didn't hurt my feelings :xp: hehehe

jedi3112
12-23-2005, 08:52 AM
I always thought that purple, orange, and red were the Sith colors. Purple is the combination of the Jedi Guardian's blue, and the Sith's red. Orange is the combination of the Sentinel's yellow, and the Sith's red. And so on- they are like "in-between" colors.

You forgot
Yellow is the combination between the Jedi Consular's green and the Sith's red, so there goes that theorie

Cygnus Q'ol
12-23-2005, 12:10 PM
What would pink be?

ChAiNz.2da
12-23-2005, 12:13 PM
What would pink be?
For the "weekend" Sith...

"For the Sith who don't really want to be bad 24/7" :D hehehe...

RobQel-Droma
12-23-2005, 01:46 PM
You forgot
Yellow is the combination between the Jedi Consular's green and the Sith's red, so there goes that theorie

Thank you for informing me about what colors are made from other colors. All right, so a Jedi color is made from a Sith and a Jedi color. Since yellow isn't a primary color, doubtless you could use a bunch of colors from elsewhere and make it. But what I said still stands. I don't really care if you think that it doesn't work.

Hallucination
12-23-2005, 09:22 PM
You forgot
Yellow is the combination between the Jedi Consular's green and the Sith's red, so there goes that theorie
I'm sorry to tell you, but red+green=brown.
@Rob: Yellow is a primary colour, along with red and blue.

jedi3112
12-24-2005, 06:40 AM
I'm sorry to tell you, but red+green=brown.
@Rob: Yellow is a primary colour, along with red and blue.

I know my Red/Green/Blue codes. However if you want to see for yourself, you should go to your desktop, right click, go to properties, go to the tab desktop or something like that (I have a Dutch Windows, os I have to translate terms wich is somewhat difficult), choose color and pick others.

There you will see some basic colors on the left part, and a screen with shades on the right part. Just below that right screen you have the Red/Green/Blue values for the color you want. Each color can be 0;255 or any full value in between. Now set red and green both to 255 and blue to 0. There you have it perfect yellow. Set all to 255 for white, and set all to 0 for black.

Hallucination
12-24-2005, 02:28 PM
^well call me colour blind, you're right. Damn you faulted kindergarten, damn you!

RobQel-Droma
12-24-2005, 03:55 PM
[QOUTE=Hallucination]@Rob: Yellow is a primary colour, along with red and blue.[/QUOTE]

Now I'm confused. I want to say your right (I made a mistake), but if you take RGB sliders and make red and green go together, you make yellow. Please explain this to my muddled brain! I'm not thinking straight, I know that.

But besides, it is off the point. I don't really care if you can make other colors, you still can make orange from red and yellow, and you can make purple from red and blue. :D

ChAiNz.2da
12-24-2005, 04:23 PM
If you're wanting to know "why" you're getting yellow from red & green.. it's because you're working with RGB standards.. not Primaries.

Remember, Green is a combination of Blue + Yellow... Red contains shades/hues of orange and yellow... or an absolute value of 255/0/0

Now.. when you drop Blue altogether... you're also taking the blue out of the green (since you've maxed them at 255 values)..hence, 255/255/0

This leaves your Red & of course Yellow. Because you now have a maxed out yellow value (255/255/0), and red contains yellow (in the RGB scale) yellow "overrides" and becomes.. well, yellow ;) If you look at your corresponding CMYK values, you'll notice yellow is only at 97%... not a "true" yellow, but close enough for our human eyeballs :eyemouth:

FYI: Red is always an absolute. That's why it's the worst color in the world for Live television.. it "bleeds" (color spill) onto anything it gets near and really makes a stink for today's camera's...

Try this with a CrayolaŽ (Primaries) then it's a whole new story. You're dealing with over millions and millions of shades... not just degrees of 255.

Red + Green equals a horrid brown/green gaggy color in the crayon world (because it still has blue in it) :barf:

and there you have it, much more than you ever wanted to know about RGB :D

But besides, it is off the point.
Good point ;)

Back on track peeps. Sorry for my "blurt" :)

RobQel-Droma
12-24-2005, 04:57 PM
That is what I thought, I knew that if you combined green and red it wouldn't give you yellow, but the RGB thing was confusing me, I didn't really know about that. Thanks for explaining that!

You forgot
Yellow is the combination between the Jedi Consular's green and the Sith's red, so there goes that theorie

Well, in light of what Chainz said- there goes that theory, and mine is back in! :) (no offense meant)

jedi3112
12-25-2005, 09:51 AM
In physics class I was learned that the primary colors are red green and blue, because those three colors of light together make white light. And the TV also uses only those three colors to make all others. Since the damn thing only has those three lights. And your eyes also work with these three colors. Hence people are red-green colorblind and not red yellow.

This color thing is confusing, since I've also heard some art students say that green is not a basic color, but that yellow is. And as far as paint goes it appears to be true, but not with light (and we are talking about light here). I wonder what's causing this.

Maybe it has something to do with absorbing color as paint does, or emitting color as a lightsaber/monitor does.

ChAiNz.2da
12-25-2005, 10:31 AM
One last tangent to see if I can give a better example then ;)

For Reference:

Primaries: Red, Blue, Yellow
Secondaries: Orange, Violet, Green

Consider a color prism (a rainbow). Your color wavelengths are defined in this order:

*White

7. Red
6. Orange
5. Yellow
4. Green
3. Blue
2. Indigo
1. Violet

*Black

*-note: White is higher than Red, and Black is lower than Violet. White is the presence of all colors and Black is the absence of all color. But neither are actual "colors" so they don't count.. hehehe.. ;)

When working with RGB (or even with primaries) Green is always Blue + Yellow. This allows the use of only having to use 3 lights, but getting 4 "main" colors to play with. Also, you have the luxury of being able to effectively 'remove' the instances of any color in any degree, something you can't do with the eyeballs or your set of crayons.

Now using your color sliders and removing Blue (value of 0) you're basically taking Blue out of all instances of the colors. Both the Red & the Green. This in turn shifts the Red color "down the scale" in the appropriate amount of fields. Blue's value is (roughly) 3. Red is (roughly) 7.

7 -3 = 4.

4 = Green/Yellow (remember I said "roughly") ;)

Now you may ask "but that would make Green = Violet. Not so, actually, we're only interested in Red because of it's absolute value.

Why? I have no clue, yell at the engineers... hehehe :xp: That's just how it works... :giveup:

Take Blue out of Green = Yellow
Take Blue out of Red = Green/Yellow

Yellowish + Dominant Yellow = Yellow at 97%

Voila!

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Why you ask?

The funny thing with RGB you'll notice the sliders on a color picker are inverted, meaning that the color order is reversed. Blue will always be your "middle-man" :

Red
Violet
Indigo
Blue
Green
Yellow
Orange / Red

You'll also notice that red is on BOTH ends (remember when I said Red is always absolute?). That's why it's a bitch for Live TV.. hehehe This dominance and somewhat looping effect is what gives the engineers & artists their palettes and grades of 0-255. It also makes it near impossible to get a true Purple+ on Live TV without the aid of artificial external lighting (add a peachy/orange gel for those interested :xp: ) Graphics have sliders.. Cameras (like eyeballs) don't have this luxury. We don't get that extra Red on the other end of the loop.

+ Purple (Indigo) is neither a Primary or Secondary.. it's the "boon" color. You can thank Isaac Newton for that one :fist: hehehe

So we have to basically constantly battle Red and aid Blue whenever those 2 colors are present together (and they say TV is glamorous.. HA!) Trust me, I'm in the biz and it's always been a pain in the arse.

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My last "blurp" guys I swear. If you want to continue the discussion, we should probably start a new thread as this thread's topic has diverted waaaay off course. But I thought you color peepz might get a kick out of some theory :D

Sabretooth
12-26-2005, 12:28 AM
Chainzie, you can open a course on excellent colour mixing and RGB-ness! But if you ask me, this all felt like some twisted, kindergarten method of Linear Equations in Algebra. *shudders*

jedi3112
12-26-2005, 11:24 AM
One last tangent to see if I can give a better example then ;)

For Reference:

Primaries: Red, Blue, Yellow
Secondaries: Orange, Violet, Green

Consider a color prism (a rainbow). Your color wavelengths are defined in this order:

*White

7. Red
6. Orange
5. Yellow
4. Green
3. Blue
2. Indigo
1. Violet

*Black

*-note: White is higher than Red, and Black is lower than Violet. White is the presence of all colors and Black is the absence of all color. But neither are actual "colors" so they don't count.. hehehe.. ;)

When working with RGB (or even with primaries) Green is always Blue + Yellow. This allows the use of only having to use 3 lights, but getting 4 "main" colors to play with. Also, you have the luxury of being able to effectively 'remove' the instances of any color in any degree, something you can't do with the eyeballs or your set of crayons.

Now using your color sliders and removing Blue (value of 0) you're basically taking Blue out of all instances of the colors. Both the Red & the Green. This in turn shifts the Red color "down the scale" in the appropriate amount of fields. Blue's value is (roughly) 3. Red is (roughly) 7.

7 -3 = 4.

4 = Green/Yellow (remember I said "roughly") ;)

Now you may ask "but that would make Green = Violet. Not so, actually, we're only interested in Red because of it's absolute value.

Why? I have no clue, yell at the engineers... hehehe :xp: That's just how it works... :giveup:

Take Blue out of Green = Yellow
Take Blue out of Red = Green/Yellow

Yellowish + Dominant Yellow = Yellow at 97%

Voila!

------------------------------------

Why you ask?

The funny thing with RGB you'll notice the sliders on a color picker are inverted, meaning that the color order is reversed. Blue will always be your "middle-man" :

Red
Violet
Indigo
Blue
Green
Yellow
Orange / Red

You'll also notice that red is on BOTH ends (remember when I said Red is always absolute?). That's why it's a bitch for Live TV.. hehehe This dominance and somewhat looping effect is what gives the engineers & artists their palettes and grades of 0-255. It also makes it near impossible to get a true Purple+ on Live TV without the aid of artificial external lighting (add a peachy/orange gel for those interested :xp: ) Graphics have sliders.. Cameras (like eyeballs) don't have this luxury. We don't get that extra Red on the other end of the loop.

+ Purple (Indigo) is neither a Primary or Secondary.. it's the "boon" color. You can thank Isaac Newton for that one :fist: hehehe

So we have to basically constantly battle Red and aid Blue whenever those 2 colors are present together (and they say TV is glamorous.. HA!) Trust me, I'm in the biz and it's always been a pain in the arse.

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My last "blurp" guys I swear. If you want to continue the discussion, we should probably start a new thread as this thread's topic has diverted waaaay off course. But I thought you color peepz might get a kick out of some theory :D


I think I know what's going on, you're substracting colors from white, while I am adding color to no light/black. I took a closer look at your CMYK colors, and now that I know that your blue is actually cyan, your red is actually magenta and your yellow is yellow it makes much more sense.

Cyan is a combination of green and blue light (substracting red)
Magenta is a combination of blue light and red light (substracting green)
Yellow is a combination of green and red light (substracting blue)

Now if you start with all/white add the substractions of cyan and yellow, you remove both blue and red from white light leaving green to be the only color left.

However of you start with nothing/black and you add both green and red light, you make yellow light.

Now the quetion is what to use, and I go with the adding of colors, because a lightsaber probably doesn't remove colors out of light, but instead creates it's own light, hence the name lightsaber.

ChAiNz.2da
12-26-2005, 11:55 AM
INow the quetion is what to use, and I go with the adding of colors, because a lightsaber probably doesn't remove colors out of light, but instead creates it's own light, hence the name lightsaber.
I'd definitely agree with you on that point. I highly doubt a saber is "taking out" color as well...

Wouldn't make sense as a Jedi/Sith could in essence use any crystal for their desired color ;)

I'd have to say go with your method of adding of colors. :)

My blurting was mainly intended to address the question of why people were getting yellow out of Red/Green since it was mentioned using color sliders.

Sure in the PC world, we can go with sliders, but for RL mechanics, it simply doesn't work that way. Go with the add colors to light... Mother Nature does it that way, and Im sure she knows better than any of us.. hehehe :D

Ztalker
12-26-2005, 12:55 PM
To much information (not cynical) i'm serious :D

I see it this way:
Who the hell cares what lightsaber you use? Darth Vader used a blue one!
Exar Kun used a blue one! master Vash used a orange one, and Shaft used a purple one.
I think it just has to refloct your identity. Myself? I always go for cyan, or blue.

Jae Onasi
12-26-2005, 07:00 PM
I'd definitely agree with you on that point. I highly doubt a saber is "taking out" color as well...

Wouldn't make sense as a Jedi/Sith could in essence use any crystal for their desired color ;)

I'd have to say go with your method of adding of colors. :)

My blurting was mainly intended to address the question of why people were getting yellow out of Red/Green since it was mentioned using color sliders.

Sure in the PC world, we can go with sliders, but for RL mechanics, it simply doesn't work that way. Go with the add colors to light... Mother Nature does it that way, and Im sure she knows better than any of us.. hehehe :D

I'm with the 'add color' thing, too. I don't know if it makes too much difference to me, but it might be fun to customize a bit.

Boring geeky discussion of color/optics here (I'll try to be brief!)
Addressing a bunch of posts here:
Pigments follow the red/yellow/blue rules for primary colors. Mixing these pigments theoretically yields black. So, the kindergarten teacher is right on that.
RGB system as primaries is for light (or CYM if you prefer). Adding all the colors of light together gives you (theoretically) white. RGB follows the eye's system--we have red, green, and blue cones (the receptors that see color). The reason we have red/green color blindness (vs. red/yellow or red/blue) is that red and green are complementary. One can also have blue/yellow color blindness, but that's exceedingly rare. ChAiNz, I think red bleeds the most on TV because it has the longest wavelength of visible light, though I'd have to go dig out my book on color theory from a box in the basement (not my favorite subject), although it's the blue end of the spectrum that affects clarity more in optics. Your optics trivia for the day.... :)

ChAiNz.2da
12-27-2005, 05:47 AM
ChAiNz, I think red bleeds the most on TV because it has the longest wavelength of visible light, though I'd have to go dig out my book on color theory from a box in the basement (not my favorite subject), although it's the blue end of the spectrum that affects clarity more in optics. Your optics trivia for the day.... :)
No need to dig out your books, I can confirm you are correct :D

Interesting thing you said about Blue and clarity in optics (some more trivia for ya'). Now you know why they chose Blue for the new and upcoming Blu-Ray "optical" laser discs. ;) :D

K Gals & Pals, we really need to divert our way back to the topic on hand.. hehehe. I appreciate everyone's input on the theories of color and also apologize for sustaining the tangent. :o

If anyone wishes to continue color theory (though it's mostly been covered by now) PM me and I'll split the thread. But for now, let's let the theory die and get back to the fun stuff, ie. "the actual topic" ...hehehe :D

Rok_stoned
12-27-2005, 05:34 PM
what about a lens that is in an additional slot that could tinit the color of another crystal? That way you could have fewer crystals and you could get your favorite color right away rather than waiting half the game the get it.

EXAMPLE:
cyan
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blue-- blue
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dark blue (can't think of better word...)

Jae Onasi
12-28-2005, 09:53 AM
:) Or, we could have a couple of Rodian merchants hanging around various planets with different colored crystals. "Crystals, get your colored crystals here! Only 400 credits for your special colors!" :giggle1:
Seriously, I'd be happy if they just had some more color options. I'm OK with having, say, 6 or 8 or even 10 choices if it means they get to spend time making a better overall game. I don't want them to have to write code for 'a mauvey shade of pinky russet' just to make me happy when 'bronze' would be OK, unless it's something really easy to do (and I don't program, so I honestly don't know). If it is easy, maybe they could just provide a spectrum at the time you make your first lightsaber and tell people 'slide the slider on the spectrum til you find a color you like' and that's your saber color. I'm OK with certain crystals altering the color, but I prefer my own colors if given a choice. What might be cool is more color crystals like Heart/Mantle that alter stats of power crystals, too, but I imagine the color choices on that would be limited out of necessity.

Edit: I noted there's another thread with the 'stat-altering color crystal' idea already. I just have to catch up on my reading. :)