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The Doctor
11-24-2005, 07:16 PM
I've asked around, and apparent;y, some people don't think that the KotOR games count as part of the EU. Does it count in your opinion? It certainly does in mine, but I want to know what you think.

Darth Phantom
11-24-2005, 07:25 PM
Of course it is...are all the characters, planets, creatures, etc. in the movie?

Alkonium
11-24-2005, 07:30 PM
Yes, it does, for it does have some pretty big events in it.

Emperor Devon
11-24-2005, 08:06 PM
I think it does. It has a better plot than the movies, so why not?

Commander Obi-Wan
11-24-2005, 08:07 PM
Of course it is...are all the characters, planets, creatures, etc. in the movie?

:wstupid:

Nedak
11-24-2005, 08:34 PM
:wstupid:

:wstupid:

swphreak
11-24-2005, 10:19 PM
Commander Obi-Wan and han sala, in the future, do not spam a thread with a smilie. For more info on spam, visit this (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64362).

As for Kotor. It is outisde of the movies, so it is EU. Expanded Universe.

Commander Obi-Wan
11-24-2005, 10:24 PM
FYI, I wasn't spamming. I was agreeing with Darth Phantom.

swphreak
11-24-2005, 10:39 PM
FYI, I wasn't spamming. I was agreeing with Darth Phantom.

Then you could have done so in a less spammy nature. This is not the place to discuss this. The thread is about Kotor and the EU.

SirLancelot
11-26-2005, 12:24 PM
It counts as EU, because the characters Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Bastila Shan, and others can be found under the EU heading on StarWars.com

The Doctor
11-26-2005, 12:59 PM
As for Kotor. It is outisde of the movies, so it is EU. Expanded Universe.
I realize that, but some people I talked to said that the EU only included post RotJ stuff. I can give you their full names and adresses if you want to hurt them.

Astrotoy7
11-27-2005, 09:00 AM
..... but some people I talked to said that the EU only included post RotJ stuff. ....

hehe....the good ole "some people I talked to" theyre also usually the people who tell you that George is making Episodes 7-9 :p

KOTOR is EU, and although it is a game, has some signficant crossover with the events depicted in the KOTOR era comics :) For more consideration of what canonical classification games get, see the stickied "What is canon?" thread

mtfbwya

swphreak
11-27-2005, 11:01 AM
I realize that, but some people I talked to said that the EU only included post RotJ stuff.

I guess Pre-Ep1 and everything between all 6 movies isn't EU as well? You should smack these people and tell them you're ashamed for them.

PoiuyWired
12-06-2005, 12:38 PM
Actually kotor DOES COUNT. Thought the canon story is being establish.

Kotor1 canon is basically a LSM story.

As for kotor2 nothing is set yet, though someone mentioning people trying to make it LSF... This would be bad, cause that means we will have to see more of that low-life piece of useless whiney scum face excuse of a hutt spawned bantha poodoo called Desciple. I mean, Handmaiden is many times better storywise and what not.

MachineCult
12-13-2005, 05:57 PM
Of course it is...are all the characters, planets, creatures, etc. in the movie?

I love it when n00bs ask unanswerable questions.

KOTOR is EU, as other games are, I'd consider KOTOR to be quite an important bit of EU, like the Jedi Knight series.

Prime
12-14-2005, 11:00 AM
KOTOR is a part of the official continuity, yes.

El Sitherino
12-14-2005, 12:38 PM
If NJO counts, KoTOR counts.

Darth_Terros
12-14-2005, 03:40 PM
If NJO counts, KoTOR counts.

I'd be happy to sacrifice KOTOR if it ment they got rid of the NJO infact i'd be even happier if they just restarted the EU after ROTJ so it fits more in with what we know of all the movies etc.

Char Ell
12-15-2005, 10:42 PM
I'd be happy to sacrifice KOTOR if it ment they got rid of the NJO
I'm quite sure you speak for yourself, DT. ;)

I'm certainly not willing to sacrifice KotOR to get rid of the NJO. Most definitely not. And like all the mods and other knowledgeable peeps have stated, KotOR is part of the EU and should be in perpetuity.

Alkonium
12-15-2005, 10:46 PM
I say Kotor counts, the NJO counts, and that is the will of the Force.

RobQel-Droma
12-15-2005, 11:00 PM
Well, EU = Expanded Universe, and KotOR certaintely is Expanded Universe Star Wars, so it is EU.

I'd be happy to sacrifice KOTOR if it ment they got rid of the NJO

*Gasps* *Shudders* Speak for yourself. :D

Astrotoy7
12-16-2005, 02:16 AM
KOTOR is EU - I think that has been well established now !! As I have said above, if you want to be pedantic it occupies C level EU, according to Lucasfilm Licensing/starwars.com current classification system... this is the lower tier of EU(in terms of its direct relation and relevance to the films)

mtfbwya

Prime
12-16-2005, 11:33 AM
and that is the will of the Force.And what is that anyway?

swphreak
12-16-2005, 02:13 PM
Kotor is EU. EU is anything outside of the movies. The End.

If I read one more "NJO sucks" I swear to god I will declare martial law here. You don't like it, wow, I don't care. Keep it to yourself. I like it, but I'm not running around and shoving it in your face.

P.S. Kurgan doesn't exist. He's a figment of our imagination.

Kurgan
12-16-2005, 07:27 PM
Yup, KOTOR is part of the EU like all the other liscensed Star Wars games. It's C-Level canon at least in terms of characters, story and technology (not player choices) just like everything else. So it's as "canon" as Jedi Academy or Dark Forces.

And just in case you were misinformed: You can ignore any crap you heard on "supershadow.com" since that site is made-up baloney with no official standing whatsoever!


PS: NJO sucks! ;)

Astrotoy7
12-17-2005, 10:17 AM
...."supershadow"

PS: NJO sucks! ;)

OMG, Youve dropped the 'S' word and flamed the NJO in one swift post !

what can we do with unruly admins ?? :p

*reports bad post to Satan* :D

mtfbwya

Kurgan
12-17-2005, 11:58 AM
Good, I was needing a stockpile of coal this year! I plan to crush them into diamonds, then I'll be rich! ;)

Ferus
12-19-2005, 04:50 PM
It counts...........and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Doctor
12-19-2005, 08:35 PM
Sorry if this was a stupid question. I knew it was, but I needed to prove it to some "friends" of mine. Post RotJ only.... what idiots.

Kurgan
01-02-2006, 01:42 PM
Edit: Astro, did your original post say "Satan"? I read it as Santa. Now it looks like Satan stockpiles coal!

Prime
01-02-2006, 08:27 PM
Edit: Astro, did your original post say "Satan"? I read it as Santa. Now it looks like Satan stockpiles coal!He does. To keep all those fires going...

Astrotoy7
01-04-2006, 09:24 AM
lolz @ Kurgan....why would I report to Santa, he's hardly intimidating ! I actually interpreted your coal comment the same way primeski did...he does need those fires to keep going to burn the wicked, Hitler etc :D

mtfbwya

Maphisto86
01-05-2006, 03:30 AM
Hell yeah it counts.... Yet in my opinion the timeline should be altered.

This is how I see it:

Great Schism

10 Year Darkness... after a century the dark Jedi find Kooriban and Ziost along with the Sith race.

1000 years later.... the Sith/Dark Jedi return and The Great Hyperspace War begins.

100 years after the Sith Empire is defeated Freedon Nadd turns to the dark side.

400 years later Exar Kun turns to the dark side and the Sith War begins.

40 years later The Mandalorian Wars commence

Four years later... following the Mandalorian's defeat, Darth Revan's Sith Empire rises.

2 and a half years:Events of KOTOR. Malak is defeated and the New Sith Empire collapses into different sects. Infighting ensues and many Sith are killed.

1 Year Later: Revan leaves in the Ebon Hawk with HK-47 and T3-M4 to search for the long forgotten, origional Sith Empire he discovered as a Sith Lord. Canderous is sent by Revan to reunite the scattered Mandalorian clans for a unknown purpose. Canderous Ordo kills the "false" Mandalore's thus becoming the Mandalorian leader himself.

Five years later: KOTOR II, Darth Traya and her appretices Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion suddenly appear. They take control of the rogue Sith armies and reform what is left of Revan's empire. Once more the weak Republic is attacked and the Jedi are targeted specifically. The Order is left in ruins... The Exile, following her destiny along with other's defeat the Sith war lords. Remnants of Revan's empire once again are crushed.

A century later.... a Jedi master comes to the conclusion that the Jedi Order is too weak to protect the galaxy from itself based on the corruption in the Republic senate and the Republic's limited borders because of the last few hundred years of warfare. Seemingly realizing Darth Revan's vision he assumes the mantle of Dark Lord Of The Sith and travles to the origional Sith Empire gaining knowledge of the dark side. Now Darth Ruin he is exiled from the Jedi Order becoming one of the lost twenty but like the first dark Jedi before him turns many new Jedi to the dark side. The Third Sith War begins...

Another century passes.... after one hundred years of struggle the third Sith Empire grows larger than it's last two predeccessors. Despite such a victory, the Jedi Order still stands and the core worlds of the Republic are still beyond the Sith's reach. A war of attration has taken it's toll on both sides yet the Sith are numerically and militarilly stronger. Despite almost total defeat the Jedi Order now controls the Republic and launches a last ditch offensive. The Sith Empire is now controlled by Lord Kaan and his Sith Council. In-fighting ensues weakening a mighty empire.

The third Sith empire collapses into factions and the Jedi's offensive under Lord Hoth further weakens the Sith. Despite a common enemy the Sith continue to fight among themselves. Not only that but other species and organizations rebel against the Sith including the Hutts, the Echani, the Iridorians and the Mandalorians. The armies of the dark side are defeated again and again until their once galactic empire shrinks until the Sith are cornered onto a small planet in the outer rim called Ruusaan. The last battles end with Darth Kaan destroying almost all Jedi and Sith on Ruusaan with a "thought bomb". Only a small number survive... including the Sith Lord Darth Bane.

1000 years later... the prequels. Rest is history!

My chornology of these events are the same but the consequences and the time passed between them are altered. In my opinion the "Sith Wars" should be all the wars fought from the Great Hyperspace war until the Sith's final defeat on Ruusaan. According to EU sources there a thousand year gaps between the Sith wars. To me that's too long to be dramatic... so maybe a few centuries pass but the only thousand year gap is the one between the Great Schism and the first Sith War and the one between the last Sith War and the prequel trilogy.

Just my stupid opinion! Sorry for the thoughtless novel.... :toilet1:

The Source
01-13-2006, 11:59 PM
I've asked around, and apparent;y, some people don't think that the KotOR games count as part of the EU. Does it count in your opinion? It certainly does in mine, but I want to know what you think.
I think KotOR counts as EU. Some of the story will not become mainstream. However, there are parts that fit the EU world nicely.

xides
05-15-2006, 09:36 PM
Since Kotor and Kotor2 were placed in the OFFICLE CHRONOLOGY i would say yes they count as EU.

MachineCult
05-16-2006, 05:50 AM
Since Kotor and Kotor2 were placed in the OFFICLE CHRONOLOGY i would say yes they count as EU.
We have already established this.

Canderous_ordo1
12-21-2006, 05:23 AM
you seem to have got it a little bit wrong alot wrong come to think of it.
kotor relates to events that happend (4,000 YEARS before the empire and the movie's relate( 4,000 )years after the old republic and sith empire if you have ever had any thing to do with the game it clearly states that the
events of kotor happend (4,000 )years before the empire even existed but the game also goes into bit of so guess i probley need to fill you in on what happend in the last 30,000 years bby
old history dateing back (30,000) years when tatoonie was a green planet sand people walked without wrappings they were not sand people back then because there was no sand they dared to reach the stars they had great citys then they got the attention of the builders the builders made them slaves to the machine then they distoyed the machines the builders didnot like this how ever so they fired a huge wepon at the planet laying waste to the ground the soil grounded to sand sand to glass ok on to say still around 30,000 years ago kashik was never a planet with a lot of trees the builders planted them super seeding the growth but the planet never worked out as a planet to grow food .ok lets skip forward to the year .32,000 years ago now this was when the great hunt begun the jedi started hunting the tentack an beast that feeds on jedi and is more powerful to the dark side or light side after about a thousand years the tentack wen't back to sleep but by the wars end only three remaind to hunt the beast they killed them ok now on to 33,302 years this was the war that the mandalorians had with exar kun and the republic
this contunied to the year 33,307 7 years before the mandalorian wars and the rise of reven in this time reven was still doing her training on dantonie because the jedi onclave on taris got distoyed during the last war she did 10 years worth of training under the masters then during that time the mandalorian's started bombarding worlds the second mandalorian war had begun
then nearing the end of that war reven joined in the fighting she rallied other jedi to join her then she sent HK-47 down to assinate clan ordo but in doing so hk 47 canderous captured hk on telos there fore reprograming it to assinate reven this did not go to plan because hk was lost somewhere on the planet and it will not be till 5 years after the war when hk will once again be reunited with them both and also during the mandalorian wars canderous had a name for his droid it was claws and if you probley rember if you played kotor he didnet whant to talk about it and a republic pilot carth blew it up causing him to be knocked out if it wasent for his dad he wouldent be one of the heros in the republic ok we probley know what happend from here it was the start of the jedi civil war and by the war end barly a thousand remaind

so any one that thinks it only a thousand years was extremmly wrong

rember it was (4,000 YEARS before the republic and the empire next time read up on your history

Mace MacLeod
12-21-2006, 08:37 AM
Whoa. Bumptastic.

I really hope English isn't your first language, Canderous.

And why would anyone think KotOR wasn't EU? It's been made canon and everything.

MachineCult
12-21-2006, 08:51 AM
so any one that thinks it only a thousand years was extremmly wrong

rember it was (4,000 YEARS before the republic and the empire next time read up on your history
WTF are you going on about? No-one has said that KotOR is 1,000 years BBY, It's Darth Bane that was 1,000 years before.

Hayden Kered
12-21-2006, 09:43 AM
Kotor is NOT part of the EU...*gets beatened and tortured by LF members*...OK, OK, UNCLE, UNCLE, IT IS!!!:lol:

RC-1162
12-21-2006, 09:49 AM
can a rubber band be stretched either way? course it can. same with the EU, it can be expanded either way, only difference is that it doesn't break. but this has already been established, i believe.

Jeff
12-21-2006, 10:19 AM
I pretty much agree with what's been said here... KotOR is definitely part of the expanded Universe. Now that we have the comics it's even more established as EU I think.

Hayden Kered
12-21-2006, 10:58 AM
I pretty much agree with what's been said here... KotOR is definitely part of the expanded Universe. Now that we have the comics it's even more established as EU I think.
Really! If it wasn't EU then why would comic books be writen? I think that would be a big *DUH* for them.

Rabish Bini
01-14-2007, 06:02 AM
I'm pretty sure they're EU. If not, than that's damn wrong.

PoiuyWired
01-14-2007, 03:21 PM
Well, even Nihilus shows up in the SW Legacy comics.

spark91
06-26-2007, 01:51 PM
It is part of EU because it reveal the story of star wars before Esp.I

adamqd
06-26-2007, 05:25 PM
I've asked around, and apparent;y, some people don't think that the KOTOR games count as part of the EU. Does it count in your opinion? It certainly does in mine, but I want to know what you think.

I think you mean Canon, if it's got star wars written on it and its not the one of the 6 movies its Expanded universe, whether it contradicts anything George Lucas wrote or agreed to have written is the question. KOTOR is definitely EU and to a certain extent Canon since a single storyline was established for each game, >>

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eu

BigMike322
08-30-2007, 10:34 PM
Hell Yeah it counts. It references characters and events from the comics.

Darth Xander
10-01-2007, 01:54 PM
:wstupid:
:wstupid:

PoiuyWired
10-02-2007, 12:32 AM
I think you mean Canon, if it's got star wars written on it and its not the one of the 6 movies its Expanded universe, whether it contradicts anything George Lucas wrote or agreed to have written is the question. KOTOR is definitely EU and to a certain extent Canon since a single storyline was established for each game, >>

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eu

Actually only the Gender and Ending is established. The details are defined as a Blur on purpose. I mean, there is no real reason to canonize "Did Revan win that Pazaak game?" or even more trivial things like "Did Lady Exile wear that skimpy Dancer's Outfit?" or even "How did the Gizkas end up?" and "Are Bao-Dur's lightsabers pink with glitters?"

All we know is that Revan is LSM with all the plot characters survived (probably the romance too), and Exile is LSF with some sub-characters(things like Mira/Hanharr choice is deliberately not defined, as with Brianna/scumbag choice due to Male/Female selection).

adamqd
10-02-2007, 01:35 PM
^^^
well we all know that, but I was commenting on what the original post asked does Kotor count? and I explained that, If I would of put "Ending" instead of "storyline" there wouldn't be a need for the last 2 posts, but I Know what your saying, but for the sake of argument pazaak games and conversation could hardly be canonized as it would be a novels worth of info about Revan just on his data bank profile... could you imagine "well I beat blah at pazaak, but in canon he lost, whats up with that". It would be ridiculous :)

Rev7
10-02-2007, 11:34 PM
Of course KotOR counts, it is apart of the expanded universe! Why would they make it if it didn't count??

JoeDoe 2.0
10-05-2007, 12:55 PM
Just to make money, duh! :p

Kotor must count! It's just awesome to see the old tales of the Jedi and Sith alike

Ztalker
10-06-2007, 02:29 PM
*observes Kotor box*

Hmmm..it says Lucasarts. So Lucas and the guys over there who 'protect' the continuity of the universe have approven it.
For contrast, there was a 'destruction derby' SW game some time ago as well. That didn't count as canon.

Plus, Kotor already has made it's way into the novels. Bane got some knowledge out of Revan's holocron. So unless we want to declare Bane uncannon, Revan and thus k1 ARE canon.

*gunsmoke*

spawn613
10-30-2007, 07:45 PM
I'd like to refer to the ORIGINAL SW movie, episode IV. specifically the part when they discovered the hidden jedi base on dantooine and say it has been deserted for some time. why? cuz in KOTOR the sith burned it to the ground! so my answer is yes, it does count.

Jvstice
10-30-2007, 08:27 PM
Dooku sent Quinlan Vos on an espionage mission to an abandoned Rakata temple. That is also pretty suggestive of the events in the game being canonical.

Also the Selkath have turned up since then too.

Lordjedi
02-03-2008, 11:15 PM
Of course KotOR is.

DarthJebus05
02-05-2008, 08:18 AM
KOTOR is the best Star Wars RPG game ever. Thus automatically being EU.

:P

adamqd
02-05-2008, 12:57 PM
Apart from the movies, Anything that is Star Wars is EU, expanded Universe does not mean the same as canon, official, part of time line, continuity... Even the non canon Star Wars: Tales, Marvel Star Wars comics, Retcon, whatever is EU, it may be N or C Canon but, got the Lucas Logo, isn't a Movie= EU

PoiuyWired
02-05-2008, 02:12 PM
Apart from the movies, Anything that is Star Wars is EU, expanded Universe does not mean the same as canon, official, part of time line, continuity... Even the non canon Star Wars: Tales, Marvel Star Wars comics, Retcon, whatever is EU, it may be N or C Canon but, got the Lucas Logo, isn't a Movie= EU

So Vader/Yoda really do go back in time to look for Soul Calibur... Oh lets not forget about various educational games back then, we get to learn math and english from vader/yoda/etc and there are things like JarJar music games...

I woudl say EU includes anything THAT IS NOT A CAMEO/EDUCATIONAL TYPE FEATURES.

I mean, some stuff are just beyond the canon/non-canon issue, but are just that... cameos to advertise a product, or to make people happy. Obvious thing would be lego star wars trailer where ships and things can instantly reassemble into one another, or Vader directing the synphony.

adamqd
02-05-2008, 02:37 PM
I didn't specify in-UNIVERSE, as in Expanded universe, anything in the Galaxy far far away, obviously soul caliber isn't canon or EU, it's CAMEO/EDUCATIONAL TYPE FEATURES. Thanks for clearing that up :)

Ctrl Alt Del
02-05-2008, 03:20 PM
So Vader/Yoda really do go back in time to look for Soul Calibur...
They can't "go back in time" for looking after SC, because they're already on the past compared to SC time.

PoiuyWired
02-06-2008, 03:23 PM
^^^
Thing is, they would need to go to SC timeline by whatever means possable, do their stuff, and go back in time to the galaxy far far away to meet their end. Unless you are trying to pull a Pime Taradox here, or the characters are force ghosts.

But yeah I am sure thatother than the oddball CAMEO/EDUCATIONAL purpose stuff and deliberate jokes(and gameplay interface too), all stuff are EU.

We know that people like Obiwan would not be told to tap R twice to use that special force power, nor would Jedis play capture the flag with Siths.