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Lathain Valtiel
11-25-2005, 02:00 PM
Either lemmings or imbeciles.

When I say lemmings, I mean people who just want to go through the same exact rigid sequence again and again. In case it isn't obvious, I'm talking Siege players. I mean... What the hell? I don't understand the logic behind them not staying around for either Holocron, Team FFA, or CTF, gametypes with good similarities to Siege. Observe:

Holocron FFA is a game with restrictions. This should be perfect for Siege players, as these Force restrictions limit the chaos. Yet, they bitch that it is 'gay', and I go 'what the HELL?'. How can people like one kind of restriction set and yet not another, especially when in Holocron you can wind up with the exact same options you had in many Siege classes!?

Now, how about Team FFA? Let's not kid ourselves, a number of Siege players basically go around just killing things. So I say: 'OK then. How about more killing things?', and go to TFFA to avoid Holocron dropouts. To my total shock, hsometimes they stay, sometimes the entire server drops out and I'm left with my mouth open. I'm reeling here. How can this be? OK, so the Siege people like killing things on a team and don't like Holocron restrictions. TFFA should be perfect. BZZT. Wrong.

Now, what of CTF? If they don't like Holocron restrictions, don't like flat out murder, then they must just like the objectives. CTF has an objective: Capture and return the flag. Surprise, I load that up, most leave!

What is it that lures people to Siege!? It makes no logical sense that they in turn would not be lured to one of the three gametypes above. Yet they aren't. Have I missed something, or are JA players just really, really dumb? I know they hate losing, but still.

ZeroX2
11-25-2005, 03:37 PM
Let people enjoy whatever game types they want. Sure, there may be similar game types, yes - but they're not exactly the same. If somebody wants to play Siege only, then they'll play Siege only (and therefore leave when the game type changes).

Siege != CtF.
Siege != HFFA.
Siege != TFFA.

They shouldn't call the other game types 'gay' and the like, but they're allowed to prefer a specific game type.

Jamps
11-25-2005, 03:42 PM
If you're going to complain about a dominant game mode, why not complain about FFA duel servers? The majority of the servers are like that.

I usually play CTF, TFFA, or Siege modes.

JK2 has Holocron and Jedi Master modes, very fun indeed when there is a server up. I remember there was a Holocron/Jedi Master only server I used to play in all of the time, there really should be one....

Lathain Valtiel
11-25-2005, 03:59 PM
FFA duel servers... *Makes a very loud gagging noise* I could go nuts on those, but they've been covered time and time again.

OJP servers have Holocron and Jedi Master in JKA, so you should play that if you're interested. *Points to sig* Not many like them though... Usually those that stay wind up getting dominated by the three Meatgrinder JM kings (Myself, Antilles the Hun, and last and best Only One Cannoli) and hating it forever.

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ZeroX2: And? That hardly damages my commentary.

razorace
11-25-2005, 04:07 PM
I assume this rant is based on the OJP beta server attendance stats?

El Sitherino
11-25-2005, 08:26 PM
People suck, **** em.

Lathain Valtiel
11-25-2005, 10:04 PM
I assume this rant is based on the OJP beta server attendance stats?


*Offers slice of sweet potato pie*

Heh.

StaffSaberist
11-25-2005, 10:10 PM
I would have joined, but the ping jumped sky-high, from 85 to 385. I'd be a nuisance to the rest of you by havving unbelievable lag.

I like Siege, and FFA, and HFFA, and TFFA, and all the rest. The only type I don't like is... um... I guess I don't have one I don't like, despite not exactly being 1337. As a poster's sig says, JO (Or JA) is something you can enjoy without being good at it. Anyways, If I preferred not to play a certain game type, it would be because of some dislike of the general layout of the game or level. I'm not afraid to lose.

Furthermore, some don't play those types because they aren't good at it yet. I haven't had a chance to play Siege too much, I still enjoy it, though. Or I would, if I could. (Practicing the Siege maps on FFA helps, though.)

If you said you don't like Jedi Master, I'd disagree, but I wouldn't flame you for it. :|

Lathain Valtiel
11-25-2005, 10:14 PM
I'm also sick of the wusses with weak stomachs. This fool named Spoons came in. He was a staff sidesweeper. He starts talking trash after getting killed a couple of times with a gun.

I get pissed, pull out my saber, and proceed to kill him thrice in a row without taking a hit. I then die after he uses the force, after pissing on me doing the same thing.

So, shrugging, I kill him again. And again. And then a third time, using saber and then shoving a rocket through his teeth. He talks more trash than leaves.

God, imbeciles who can't stand losing because they think they're the **** when they aren't (he was a sweeper for crying out loud!) piss me off. Nobody wants to learn how they can become better, they just want to 'pwn' by avoiding anyone better than they are. It's sickening.

Insane Sith can verify this account.

StaffSaberist
11-25-2005, 11:52 PM
So can I. Though I'd join Meatgrinder now if the ping wasn't in such flux right now. =/

And yeah, at least 50% of Staff users are side-sweep abusers... taints the blade's good name.

razorace
11-26-2005, 12:04 AM
FYI, I'm going to be using the MeatGrinder for update testing for the next hour or so. Things might be a bit weird during that time.

Lathain Valtiel
11-26-2005, 12:32 AM
Huh Staffy? Who were you?

thehomicidalegg
11-26-2005, 03:25 PM
its like a dominoes effect... a couple of people will leave after the siege rounds, so there will be more bots than humans, and then more people will leave because of this, thus resulting in an exodus.

maybe shortening the time limit for the non-siege/ctf maps can induce more ppl to stay?

Lathain Valtiel
11-26-2005, 03:59 PM
Not really, considering most go within the first 10 min.

El Sitherino
11-26-2005, 06:05 PM
Insane Sith can verify this account.
Yeah, I kicked his ass in 3 seconds and he disconnected out of frustration with our "n00b hax".

Not really, considering most go within the first 10 sec.
Fixed, because you give people too much credit.

I generally see a " _____ has connected"

"put on siege, this****suxfag"

" _____ has disconnected"

Lathain Valtiel
11-26-2005, 06:59 PM
Eh? Siege sux?

El Sitherino
11-26-2005, 07:53 PM
Eh? Siege sux?
OOps, messed it up.

*edits*

StaffSaberist
11-26-2005, 09:11 PM
Huh Staffy? Who were you?

As I said in the great debate, I am no spammer with the Staff. If you intend to make this into yet another flame war, I will have no part of it. You can argue about the 'stupidity' of the SaberStaff until your lungs are empty and your typing fingers are broken. I won't respond to it.

Lathain Valtiel
11-26-2005, 09:14 PM
....?

Ummm...

What was that about? I called you Staffy because I thought calling you by your full screen name would eventually lead to confusion if I ever had to distinguish between you and staff users in general. It wasn't an insult... You can ask Kurgan, I sometimes call him Kurgy or Kurgykins, which is a similar change.

All I wanted to know was who you were in that game. You apparently don't call yourself StaffSaberist or such ingame.

StaffSaberist
11-26-2005, 09:29 PM
Oh. Sorry for the confusion.

I would be playing as StaffSaberist, but two things kept me from joining.

1) I was away from the computer all day

2) The ping jumped from 85 to 385.

See, I will play as StaffSaberist. I'll be happy to join when I can. But I've been busy as of late. :)

Again, sorry. Long day makes for a short temper. :)

Lathain Valtiel
11-26-2005, 10:06 PM
But I thought you just said you were on when Spoons was on and I ripped him apart?

StaffSaberist
11-26-2005, 10:46 PM
Nah.

I would have joined, but the ping jumped sky-high, from 85 to 385. I'd be a nuisance to the rest of you by havving unbelievable lag.


So can I. Though I'd join Meatgrinder now if the ping wasn't in such flux right now. =/


Sorry for the confusion. I will join Meatgrinder, I promise... when I find out where-the-flip my JA Disc 2 got to. I had to reinstall for odd reasons. =/

Lathain Valtiel
11-26-2005, 11:14 PM
Huh? You said you could 'verify my account', so how... Nevermind.

PS< you only need Disc 1.

StaffSaberist
11-26-2005, 11:32 PM
Well, I can verify that a lot of Stavers are spammers. That's all.

PS< Yes I do. I click on OK and it says Please insert Disc 2 that has assets2.pk3. Hmm. This place needs an :aaugh: smiley.

Kurgan
11-27-2005, 04:53 AM
Often people are afraid to try new things, or they're just bored with the maps (forgetting that a new gametype radically changes how you play those maps). They may have had a bad experience, and not given it a fair shot.

On the other hand I do sympathize. It's often very hard to get people into these lesser known/used gametypes. Meatgrinder is a great server thanks in no small part to efforts by you, me, and Cannoli to get people to see the cool aspects of the game that get snubbed by the majority of servers out there.

There are some aspects of Siege that make it unique regardless, like the class system, and the maps. So even if you don't care about Siege, it's the only way (in the base game) you can use the cloak, jetpack, swoops, AT-ST, etc. I've never fully understood the unpopularity of TFFA though. I know there is a general trend in online FPS games to undervalue teamplay though (a skill picked up and honed by clans and guilds, but ignored by a lot of average players), but still.

Sadly I'm back to work Monday and won't have much (if any) time to play again. :(

El Sitherino
11-27-2005, 10:19 AM
I don't mind TFFA, it's just most of the time the restriction to either an ugly blue or an ugly red doesn't really help me get into the game, just makes me feel like I'm playing a game. That and you always get one jackass on your team that does something stupid and gets you killed.

Lathain Valtiel
11-27-2005, 10:26 AM
MM, yeah, I'd love to be able to not have my skin restricted to a certain color, BUT I can see why it's done. I get shot at DESPITE my red skin by red team members and so on.

StaffSaberist
11-27-2005, 11:14 AM
Heh. Once, I was in a JA+ honorz game (didn't know it was honorz at the time, but found out after Grapple Hooks caught my eye) and I was refusing to use Grapples or Jetpacks, and still doing well in their TFFA. I was on the... blue team, was it?... and I wan running around with my Saber Staff, since I had just respawned and all I had was the saber, the DL-44, and a pack of Dets. This guy on my team follows me around, and he starts SWINGING AT ME IN RED STANCE. Keep in mind, in TFFA, my saber color was the same as his, and even though I had a custom skin, my blade color should give me away.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt and ignored it. But he keeps swinging. Then, a Red Team Red Stancer tries that Death From Above move just as my "teammate" tries the same move on me. I simply roll out of the way. Then they call me pathetic. Great. Now I'm facing two opponents who aren't afraid to spam and/or TK. I end up sabering the red team guy, then I get fed up with the traitor. I saber him, too, taking no less than 98 HP damage doing so. Then, my "teammate" whines about it and I get kicked.

Now, if that isn't proof that honorz guys are nuts, nothing does

El Sitherino
11-27-2005, 12:24 PM
MM, yeah, I'd love to be able to not have my skin restricted to a certain color, BUT I can see why it's done. I get shot at DESPITE my red skin by red team members and so on.
I think if we at least had the option to select a shade of the color. As it is generally your basic models look very fake having a solid shade of red/blue.

Lathain Valtiel
11-27-2005, 01:30 PM
True, but you can blame skinners for that.

shukrallah
11-27-2005, 03:14 PM
They could have just had colored symboles float over the players head to designate teams... and had the names be the color of the team, but whatever... :-\

Lathain Valtiel
11-27-2005, 06:39 PM
They could have just had colored symboles float over the players head to designate teams...

...? They do actually.

shukrallah
11-27-2005, 07:47 PM
Wasn't sure, its been a while since I have played. Crap, maybe I'll check out meatgrinder right now :)

EDIT: Played a little CTF on MG. Lag was bad for a map, but then cleared up :)

Kurgan
11-27-2005, 09:44 PM
I don't see why it's such a big deal. Every other FPS game I've ever played makes use of color coding for team based games.*

If people avoid team games because they don't like the look of the skins.. well, let's just say that's a pretty shallow excuse! At least the team colors aren't as bad as the ones in Rune/HOV (wherein they literally were just a shade applied to each model to tint it).

JA's Siege is unique in that it doesn't do that, but it restricts you even more to one skin for each class, so you know that all the Jedi Knights/Rebels are on one side and all the Sith/Imperials/Mercenary (aliens that look like the kind that hung out with Jabba the Hutt) are on the other. And you've still got the team beacons.

*A few games like the ever popular Counter Strike, America's Army and the two Battlefront games just give each team differentiated skin/characters. But by and large even today, FPS games rely on each team having distinctive coloration to differentiate them.

Not really, considering most go within the first 10 min.

Couldn't be any worse than the time I hosted my Republic Commando server (also titled Meatgrinder!) in which people would leave instantly (I'm guessing upon seeing my or any decent player or a map they didn't like). And due to a glitch in the game some people would "leave" who never entered (ie: it never showed their entering message, only their disconnecting message!) without a word!

And I hear ya about sore losers. Frankly though we don't need to reduce the time limits or score limits. CTF is short enough as it is. Some folks don't even realize we host it since it's so short!

El Sitherino
11-27-2005, 11:32 PM
If people avoid team games because they don't like the look of the skins.. well, let's just say that's a pretty shallow excuse!

I still play TFFA and CTF, I just don't prefer them because I don't like the color restriction.

I don't whine about it however, unlike a lot of people that dislike gametypes.

StaffSaberist
11-28-2005, 06:31 PM
Since I go to the custom menu every game, the colors only show up as little bands on my wrists and waist. I'd like to be colored a little more, at least I'd not get gunned by my teammates! And my example above was a ridiculous exception. ;)