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Darth Windu
12-26-2005, 03:11 AM
I've been thinking about lightsabre colours in KotOR and KotOR2, and what they should be like in KotOR3. The range of colours in KotOR2 is nice, but it was great to find the two special ones in KotOR. What I've come up with is

Normal Colours (no modifiers)
- Blue
- Green
- Yellow
- Red

Specialised Crystals
- Cyan = Dexterity modifiers
- Veridian = Wisdom modifiers
- Orange = Intelligence modifiers
- Purple = Strength modifiers
- Silver, White = Charisma modifiers

These special crystals I imagine would work much like the 'Heart of the Guardian' and 'Mantle of the Force' crystals in KotOR.

Oh yeah, Black Crystals are a no-no. After all, they're called lightsabres, black is the absence of light.

Thoughts?

Ztalker
12-26-2005, 05:29 AM
Sorry, i think it won't work.
The major strenght of Kotor is your connection with your Character.
This would force me into using a Purple Lightsaber (i play Guardian), while i find it kind of... {snip} (sorry if i insult anyone with that, i couldn't find another word) Well, find another one or shorten your sentences. We don't want to see this on the boards. - Darth333

Also, Cyan is the color used by Luke in ANH. Many playerd will use it, random kind of characters. But cyan should only be used by Dex-users, so you say.

RobQel-Droma
12-26-2005, 07:01 PM
^I don't think you quite understand him. This would not "force" you into using anything, it isn't restrictions. Just some bonuses associated with some crystals. This doesn't make you have to use a purple saber- wow, you are going to get a huge 1+ to strength if you use purple.

What I am trying to say is, first of all: The bonuses don't really do much of anything for your character, they are miniscule. Secondly, it won't make you choose a color that you don't like, take the color you do like- even if it isn't the kind of bonus that is associated with your class, any bonus is more than no bonus. It's adding on something, not taking something away.

Darth InSidious
12-26-2005, 09:34 PM
interesting idea. Perhaps said crystals could be very rare too?

kotorfan84
12-26-2005, 10:42 PM
^I don't think you quite understand him. This would not "force" you into using anything, it isn't restrictions. Just some bonuses associated with some crystals. This doesn't make you have to use a purple saber- wow, you are going to get a huge 1+ to strength if you use purple.

What I am trying to say is, first of all: The bonuses don't really do much of anything for your character, they are miniscule. Secondly, it won't make you choose a color that you don't like, take the color you do like- even if it isn't the kind of bonus that is associated with your class, any bonus is more than no bonus. It's adding on something, not taking something away.

He's saying forced into using purple because strength is the category he values the most. So if he want's the strongest character possible he will be forced to have a purple lightsaber.

MdKnightR
12-26-2005, 10:43 PM
I think that there should be a rarity to certain types of crystals. The staples (blue, green, red) should be readily available, but others should be sought after. They could even make some really rare crystals like you can find in my Heart of the Force Saber (http://www.pcgamemods.com/mod/16451.html) mod (blacklight, hot orange, intense red, etc.) And, just in my opinion, I think they should get rid of yellow sabers altogether. (just because I hate yellow :xp: ) If anything, let the silver or orange blades be the color for Sentinels.

Hallucination
12-26-2005, 10:45 PM
These special crystals I imagine would work much like the 'Heart of the Guardian' and 'Mantle of the Force' crystals in KotOR.

No. Don't add bonuses, because then people would be like 'I want a green saber but it doesn't have any bonuses'. KOTOR is about choices, and making one thing better than another just because of a colour takes away from your freedom.

@Ztalker: If you're going to use the word 'gay', think this: "If I replaced the word 'gay' with the word 'black/asian/jew/any other race or religion, would the sentence be racist?". If the sentence isn't racist, then it is usually fine. If it is use another word, so that "something is gay" becomes "something is stupid".

Darth333
12-26-2005, 10:58 PM
Ztalker: change your vocabulary. It's not the first of your posts I edit for similar reasons. If you can't find anything else to say, either refrain from posting or use a dictionary to enlarge your vocabulary.

RedHawke
12-27-2005, 01:25 AM
I've been thinking about lightsabre colours in KotOR and KotOR2, and what they should be like in KotOR3. The range of colours in KotOR2 is nice, but it was great to find the two special ones in KotOR. What I've come up with is

Normal Colours (no modifiers)
- Blue
- Green
- Yellow
- Red

Specialised Crystals
- Cyan = Dexterity modifiers
- Veridian = Wisdom modifiers
- Orange = Intelligence modifiers
- Purple = Strength modifiers
- Silver, White = Charisma modifiers

These special crystals I imagine would work much like the 'Heart of the Guardian' and 'Mantle of the Force' crystals in KotOR.

Thoughts?
Purple is a basic saber color BTW! ;)

You need to have all the basic colors as basic crystals (Basic colors as in TSL), but there is nothing against say finding a color crystal with properties later on in the game.

You can have a basic Teal crystal, then later on find the Mantle of the Force that has bonuses and also produces a Teal blade. Same would apply to the basic Orange crystal and Heart of the Guardian.

Heck you could make a special crystal of each color that we can find later on in the game. (Pending on the basic saber color crystal we are using at a certain point in the game.)

Basic Crystal..........Color..........Special Crystal W/ Properties
Blue......................Blue...........Focus of the Jedi
Red.......................Red...........Core of the Sith
Green...................Green.........Way of the Counsular
Yellow..................Yellow.........Courage of the Sentinel
Purple...................Purple.........Way of the Force
Teal/Cyan..............Teal...........Mantle of the Force
Orange.................Orange........Heart of the Guardian
Veridian................Veridian.......Spirit of the Jedi
White/Silver...........White..........Heart of Emptiness

This would be cool! :D But there should be basic and exrordinary versions of all the color crystals to allow players the ability to be flexible during gameplay. Playing KotOR I you always went with either HotG or MotF because they were the strongest saber crystals. Using a system like this you could play with the colors you like.

Just my 2 cents! ;)

Clone L68362
12-27-2005, 01:42 AM
Doesn't make sense to me. And 1 and 2 have been fine without this. I mean, why should a purple lightsaber make me stronger? What if I want a strength bonus but I want an orange crystal?

Ztalker
12-27-2005, 04:46 AM
@D333
Eh...this is the very first time a post of mine was edited, i believe :s
I'm on many other forums and even moderate one.
I think you're conufsing me with someone else. I normally don't use such a ...hard vocabulary, i just couldn't find the words at that moment.

@ Topic:
What if you should dual wield? It means Dual-wielders have more bonusses then Single wielder or Double-bladed people.

Darth Windu
12-27-2005, 05:24 AM
RedHawke - good idea, though some of the names would have to change.

Ztalker - as Rob pointed out, this wouldn't force you to do anything. For example, in KotOR were you forced to use the 'Heart of the Guardian' or 'Mantle of the Force' crystals? No, but they did offer various bonuses.

RedHawke
12-27-2005, 07:36 AM
RedHawke - good idea, though some of the names would have to change.
Those were just examples... :roleyess:... :D

YertyL
12-27-2005, 10:42 AM
I don't really like the idea of crystal colours giving bonuses...
Like Hallucination pointed out, I believe they are a pure character costumizing option and should not be in any way related to bonuses/maluses.
Why should a counsular who likes blue have disadvantages compared to a counsular who likes green ?

RobQel-Droma
12-27-2005, 12:11 PM
He's saying forced into using purple because strength is the category he values the most. So if he want's the strongest character possible he will be forced to have a purple lightsaber.

No, it would not "force" you to do anything. Didn't I just say that? He is going to be getting a amazing 1+ bonus to strength, which really won't help his character that much at all. You wouldn't be "forced" to get a certain color because it is the kind of bonus you want- probably without the crystal you would get a good saber damage, and a 1+ isn't really going to help that much. But I think I've said most of this before, haven't I? :xp:

What if you should dual wield? It means Dual-wielders have more bonusses then Single wielder or Double-bladed people.

Umm.... Don't they anyway? :rolleyes: You're already getting four power crystals and six lightsaber parts total, so- you would have more bonuses than a single saber anyways, without these crystals.

Why should a counsular who likes blue have disadvantages compared to a counsular who likes green

Why does everyone think that this will limit you somehow? This will be adding something onto your character, who should be decent enough not to have to try and get that awesome "1+ WIS" that really, really helps your character. (I'm going to come back to that a lot, by the way)

It is just adding a small bonus onto a saber crystal, it really doesn't do anything spectacular, and it wouldn't restrict lightsaber colors either. I don't understand how you don't get that.

But with all that said, I actually agree more with RedHawke. Have the kinds of crystals he mentioned in the game, and have those give bonuses with all the different colors.

Hallucination
12-27-2005, 12:41 PM
Purple is a basic saber color BTW! ;)
Basic Crystal..........Color..........Special Crystal W/ Properties
Blue......................Blue...........Focus of the Jedi
Red.......................Red...........Core of the Sith
Green...................Green.........Way of the Counsular
Yellow..................Yellow.........Courage of the Sentinel
Purple...................Purple.........Coolness of Mace:cool:
Teal/Cyan..............Teal...........Mantle of the Force
Orange.................Orange........Heart of the Guardian
Veridian................Veridian.......Spirit of the dirty green trees
White/Silver...........White..........Heart of Emptiness

Thats a very good idea, and I'd be happy with it in game.
P.S. I fixed some of the names.

Clone L68362
12-27-2005, 01:26 PM
RedHawke's idea is pretty good. BUt in order to make it so your character or party members don't ALWAYS end up with the special crystals, they should make it so that they require a certain feat, like say the Blue special crystal requires Weapon Focus: Lightsaber.

Rok_stoned
12-27-2005, 04:26 PM
first of all what your thinking, no I think its horrible idea, maybe unique crystals that were wielded by certain champions and/or are named, but not EVERY crystal like that. Another idea though is what if to get shades of a color you and an optional part like a secondary lens to tint it(No bonuses)? That way each color could be turned into others so you don't need to wait half a game to get your favorite color.

EXAMPLE:
cyan
/
blue-- blue
\
dark blue (can't think of better word...)

RobQel-Droma
12-27-2005, 05:03 PM
Well, I'm not quite sure why you are so reviled at the thought of this idea, but you of course are entitled to your opinion. :) It really doesn't affect much, 1+ to something doesn't make a big difference- especially at the end of the game, when you have around 5+ bonuses to all your attributes.

I think it would be more realistic, though, and probably a little more agreed with if they went with RedHawke's idea. Except for one thing- lets have no "Coolness of Mace", and "Spirit of the Dirty Green Trees," Hallucination. :D I'd rather have a little bit different names for some:
Red -- Rage of the Sith
Yellow -- Light of the Sentinel
Silver -- Spirit of Fountains (or something)

But that is all just a matter of personal preference, and doesn't really matter. BTW, if they do this, I don't want these crystals random. Make it so you can probably find most/all of them, but make it hard. Don't just walk into a random room and watch a animation of you picking up a glowing crystal. It should be a big challenge to get them.

And just one last thing. Since there are only one color for each of the crystals, that means that I can't have one color and have a teammate have a similar color. Because of the better bonuses, that would force me into using one of those other ones, that I don't like for that character. Right? I don't hear you all complaining about that, but I hear you complaining about what Windu said. :rolleyes:

RedHawke
12-28-2005, 12:32 AM
^^^^
I wouldn't have a bonus of more than a +2 to anything on a Special Central Color Crystal, remember we have 5 additional upgrade slots in a saber: The lens, emitter, cell, plus 2 crystal slots, they can get awesomely powerful, even with normal color crystals...

jedi3112
12-28-2005, 08:07 AM
Though I like the idea of special color crystals to make your lightsaber feel as YOUR lightsaber, I would do it somewhat different.

First, you get/find one/two personal color crystals. The color of these crystals can be altered using the workbench (as well as rgb codes, or percentages of each color, can use different ending colors for each saber)). This would enable you to get virtually any color (maybe cut out black as it's called a LIGHTsaber for a reason).

Second these crystals will interact with other pieces of your lightsaber (though I'm thinking of restricting it to interaction with crystals only). The way they interact with the other crystals can be dependable on your jedi/sith class (or also your prestige class) and you LS/DS points. Or you could pick things from a list. This could be done by selecting several small bonuses or by selecting a single large bonus (well sort of).

Finally the saber will be usable only by yourself.

This would make the saber unique as well as personal. Also I always felt a Jedi and defenitly a Sith should be able to pick their own color.

Jae Onasi
12-28-2005, 09:08 AM
(snipped)

Basic Crystal..........Color..........Special Crystal W/ Properties
Blue......................Blue...........Focus of the Jedi
Red.......................Red...........Core of the Sith
Green...................Green.........Way of the Counsular
Yellow..................Yellow.........Courage of the Sentinel
Purple...................Purple.........Way of the Force
Teal/Cyan..............Teal...........Mantle of the Force
Orange.................Orange........Heart of the Guardian
Veridian................Veridian.......Spirit of the Jedi
White/Silver...........White..........Heart of Emptiness



Prestige crystals--cool! Maybe the character could find these only after reaching a certain level.

Ztalker
12-28-2005, 09:47 AM
Well

If you connect it to Prestiege classes, it could work.
This way, everyone gets the crystal he needs, without having toi search half the galaxy for a special one.

YertyL
12-28-2005, 10:25 AM
Why does everyone think that this will limit you somehow? This will be adding something onto your character, who should be decent enough not to have to try and get that awesome "1+ WIS" that really, really helps your character. (I'm going to come back to that a lot, by the way)

It is just adding a small bonus onto a saber crystal, it really doesn't do anything spectacular, and it wouldn't restrict lightsaber colors either. I don't understand how you don't get that.

But with all that said, I actually agree more with RedHawke. Have the kinds of crystals he mentioned in the game, and have those give bonuses with all the different colors.

Well, a counsular with +1 strength would have a certain disadvantage (even if it's only a minor one) to the same counsular with +1 wisdom (since wisdom is far more useful for the counsular, duh! :p ), so there are certain advantages/disadvantages linked to the colour of your saber, which I don't like.

Rok_stoned
12-28-2005, 01:13 PM
It's Racism! ranking people based on the color of their sword!

RobQel-Droma
12-28-2005, 01:19 PM
But how is that different to the crystals RedHawke mentioned? I just said in my last post (sarcastically) that because there weren't two same color crystals that gave special bonuses, that wouldn't allow me to use on color on myself and the same color on another character. Like you all are saying, it would force me to use a color I don't like for that character, because I won't get the bonuses otherwise.

But then why are you complaining about getting a tiny little bonus like Windu is suggesting, which won't do anything to your character in comparison? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to understand what is different about the two. :)

RedHawke
12-29-2005, 12:35 AM
Prestige crystals--cool! Maybe the character could find these only after reaching a certain level.
That's... not what... I actually meant there Jae... and everyone else... I just created those names in a few seconds whilst typing my post, I had no intention of them being locked to a particular class, doing so would restrict the color choices for the PC, thusly nullifying the whole idea. ;)

jedi3112
12-29-2005, 08:06 AM
But then why are you complaining about getting a tiny little bonus like Windu is suggesting, which won't do anything to your character in comparison? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to understand what is different about the two. :)

Because the color af a saber is something that should not define the battle properties of a saber. The color should be purely cosmetic. The lightsaber isn't the only thing that can give you a bonus, if you start the same thing with these other items as well, the bonus quickly varies, and if you use say 2 sabers, the saber bonus would already be doubled. Include armor, robes and stuff, and you quickly have a +5.

Unless off course you get to pick the color the special crystal gives you, as I've stated above. A saber is personal, so why shouldn't a Jedi/Sith be able to pick the color themselves?

Jae Onasi
12-29-2005, 08:24 AM
That's... not what... I actually meant there Jae... and everyone else... I just created those names in a few seconds whilst typing my post, I had no intention of them being locked to a particular class, doing so would restrict the color choices for the PC, thusly nullifying the whole idea. ;)

Actually, the mind went off on a tangent when I saw how you listed them, and that's how I ended up at the 'prestige' idea. :) I was thinking more of the 'restricting special color LS crystals with a bonus to a certain level and above' idea and not the 'restricting to a certain class,' even though that's what prestige class actually is. I probably need to give that idea a different name like 'high level color crystal'.
This whole thing might be solved by asking when you get your "name" crystal what color you want it to be also (edit--as mentioned above), if such a thing is possible.

JediMaster12
01-05-2006, 03:35 PM
I like what Darth Windu and Red Hawke say about bonuses to the crystals. After all, don't some of the power crystals give attribute bonus.?

Darth InSidious
01-05-2006, 04:52 PM
Heck you could make a special crystal of each color that we can find later on in the game. (Pending on the basic saber color crystal we are using at a certain point in the game.)

Basic Crystal..........Color..........Special Crystal W/ Properties
Blue......................Blue...........Focus of the Jedi
Red.......................Red...........Core of the Sith
Green...................Green.........Way of the Counsular
Yellow..................Yellow.........Courage of the Sentinel
Purple...................Purple.........Way of the Force
Teal/Cyan..............Teal...........Mantle of the Force
Orange.................Orange........Heart of the Guardian
Veridian................Veridian.......Spirit of the Jedi
White/Silver...........White..........Heart of Emptiness

This would be cool! :D But there should be basic and exrordinary versions of all the color crystals to allow players the ability to be flexible during gameplay. Playing KotOR I you always went with either HotG or MotF because they were the strongest saber crystals. Using a system like this you could play with the colors you like.

Just my 2 cents! ;)

I like it! In fact..*sniff, sniff*, I smell a mod coming on :D

Gray_Master
01-06-2006, 02:55 PM
I think what would work is your crystal that bonds to you should be a color crystal...some where in the game you could decide the color...I must admit I felt cheated out of a crystal space in TSL with my bound crystal. make my bound crystal a color crystal with all that DEX, STR, and whatever buffs and that way your fav color will buff your class just like the (Name) crystal in TSL did WITHOUT taking another crystal spot....

Just an Idea

Darth Dmitrius
01-07-2006, 01:00 PM
Well, I have some kind of... strange opinion. As you maybe remember cyan color was in 4th episode, but not in 3rd. Maybe Anakin's crystal became older and changed color from blue to cyan? I think this feature might be added to KotOR III. After, for example 10 hours of overall playing KotOR III since crystall bought (or found) (I mean 10 hours of playing one character of course) blue color tranforms to cyan. That's my idea about it.

BattleDog
01-07-2006, 05:24 PM
That's only about a month of game time. I think Kenobi modified the sabre with the Mantle of the Force. Just to buff Luke, that's why the crystal is cyan in KOTOR.

JediMaster12
01-09-2006, 05:52 PM
Well...it's not a bad suggestion BattleDog.DarthDmitrius does have a plausible thought, I think.

Rok_stoned
02-02-2006, 10:53 PM
Oh yeah, Black Crystals are a no-no. After all, they're called lightsabres, black is the absence of light.

I am afraid this is the only part of your statement I agree with.

Master Kavar
02-03-2006, 01:37 AM
Basic colors I would expect to be in game:


Blue
Red
Green
Violet
Yellow


Yes, that's all. But now you ask, what about Cyan/Orange/Silver/Veridian/Bronze? Yes, I think they could return too, but in a different way.

Consider this example: I'm using a regular blue lightsaber, but in addition I add a Solari crystal to my lightsaber, and now my blade color has changed to Cyan. In this way, various lightsaber crystals could be used to create a wide variety of colors and shades.

YertyL
02-03-2006, 04:15 AM
Consider this example: I'm using a regular blue lightsaber, but in addition I add a Solari crystal to my lightsaber, and now my blade color has changed to Cyan. In this way, various lightsaber crystals could be used to create a wide variety of colors and shades.
Hmmm, what if I like the Solari crystal and the standard blue color?
IMHO bonuses should not be linked with colors,not even this way.

JediMaster12
02-03-2006, 12:20 PM
How about this then: there are rare crystals scattered at various Force sensitive caves and caverns. I am not talking about the basic colors but they are different in that they possess certain energies that become intertwined with your character as your abilitiy in the Force grows. Sublty they can increase the skill at deflection, the power in a strike, anything except fly. No one is quite sure on the color because no one has successfully found them before. Some say that they are dual colored, the core of the beam one color and the light another. Others say they are colors never before imagined as for use as a lighsaber blade.

I know it sounds a bit cheesy and it sound a bit like the crystal bonded to you in TSL but is it to much to hope for or dream about?

Master Kavar
02-03-2006, 03:10 PM
Hmmm, what if I like the Solari crystal and the standard blue color?
IMHO bonuses should not be linked with colors,not even this way.

I see your point, but players are already forced to choose between their favorite looking equipment and stat bonuses. For example most people I know prefer the look of Jedi Knight robes in TSL over Jedi Master robes, but that means they have to choose between what they like and what is stronger.

It wouldn't be too big a change to the game over all, and if it really bothered people it would give modders a new project to fix.

Jaraen
02-03-2006, 03:22 PM
Kotor3 will have a new engine so why you all left out the option that there will be a variety of saberhilts ?
Thin hilt : +dex
big/long hilt : +str/dam
and so on...

Shem
02-03-2006, 03:28 PM
Well, I have some kind of... strange opinion. As you maybe remember cyan color was in 4th episode, but not in 3rd. Maybe Anakin's crystal became older and changed color from blue to cyan?
That's just technical goofs. Because Anakin's (given to Luke) lightsaber was blue in Empire Strikes Back. Click the link to find out more.

Lightsaber goofs in ANH (http://www.thelightsaber.com/IndexFolder/index2.htm)

And Luke's (Anakin's from Episode III) lightsaber color in ESB
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6601/luke290qv.jpg