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Tysyacha
01-16-2006, 04:08 PM
I'm curious about this Sith Lord that Palpatine mentions in Episode III.

During what time period was Darth Plagueis alive and Lord of the Sith?

Who killed Darth Plagueis in his sleep? Palpatine?

Who was the one that Palpatine said had cheated death?
"Only one has done this", he says to Anakin.

Darth Plagueis sure didn't, but who did?

Darth InSidious
01-16-2006, 05:43 PM
Actually, presumably Plagueis did, several times...up until he didn't, IMHO.

I also reject the idea that Palpatine was his apprentice. There's no evidence to support that claim. When exactly he lived is unknown, though presumably after the Rule of Two was instituted.

Jeff
01-16-2006, 05:44 PM
Darth Plaguis is Darth Sidious's master.

I believe that is revealed in Labrynth of Evil, which I am reading though haven't gotten to that part yet.

Darth InSidious
01-16-2006, 05:58 PM
I slouch corrected :)

shaded6
01-16-2006, 07:07 PM
if you think about it, after Darth Vader was redeemed and died, and came back resurrected as the force, didnt he escape death? if it happened, it was only because Darth Vader was sincere in what he came to before killing Darth Sidious.

seth

BattleDog
01-16-2006, 08:14 PM
No, Vader did not become One with the Force, Anakin Skywalker did, which is why his Force ghost is a young man. He became One with the Force because he sacrificed his life for his son. There is always the posibility that Palpatine is lying, or that the One he refers to is actually a Jedi.

shaded6
01-16-2006, 08:40 PM
thats what i meant, anakin, but i still knew what i meant so its cool. thanks.

off subject: yeah i thought it cool when lucas re-released the episodes and in Return of the Jedi, hayden christensen, was standing with yoda and obi-wan.

on subject: so because, anakin, came back to the balance, it redeemed him that much to understand the true nature of the force, enought to be "resurrected?"

seth

Darth_Terros
01-17-2006, 02:30 AM
I also reject the idea that Palpatine was his apprentice. There's no evidence to support that claim. When exactly he lived is unknown, though presumably after the Rule of Two was instituted.

Its also mentioned in the Dark lord novel deffinately worth picking up and has some great quotes from plagueis

"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you."
— Darth Plagueis

"You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species... finally, the Galaxy itself."
— Darth Plagueis

MdKnightR
01-17-2006, 07:35 AM
^^^^I like those quotes! Thanks for sharing!

Darth InSidious
01-17-2006, 08:54 AM
An interesting interpretation of traditional Sith teaching...Thanks!

Ragnos was almost resurrected, but Tavion was cheating, IMHO...

shaded6
01-17-2006, 09:17 AM
"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you."
— Darth Plagueis

"You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species... finally, the Galaxy itself."
— Darth Plagueis

and they say the Sith werent knowledgeable. this is another reason i wanted to come to this conclusion. Plagueis had to of had some idea, its obvious...and because Sidious probably was his apprentice, shows off on how Palpetine gained what Plagueis mentioned. whether Sidious really had power over himself, is probably questionable, but that doesnt mean he didnt have control of the galaxy.

seth

Prime
01-17-2006, 09:19 AM
No, Vader did not become One with the Force, Anakin Skywalker did, which is why his Force ghost is a young man. It depends which version you watch. :)

shaded6
01-17-2006, 09:29 AM
i like both because the first was the original, which, you know the old VHS boxes and original artwork, my granny has. she is just as much of a star wars buff as i am. lol. shes the one who introduced it to me when i was like 5 years old and i have been in love ever since!

anyways.

what are all the lines of books you can read all this different stuff on? like what are the best chronicles that lead up to epidode 1, after Knights of the Old Republic 2: the Sith Lords and after Return of the Jedi?

are the games, Knights of the Old Republic even in the books, or is that where they got the game?

seth

Darth_Terros
01-17-2006, 11:25 AM
and they say the Sith werent knowledgeable.


Who says that?

I dont remember anywhere saying they dont have knowledge of course they do, but then you dont really say what they werent knowledgeable on? the force? pod racing? how a hyrdospanner works?

Cleaned up post to "stay on topic" ;) ~ ChAiNz.2da

Darth_Terros
01-17-2006, 12:10 PM
Anyway back on topic Plaguis The Wise i hope to god they start releasing more info on him soon it needs to be done!

ChAiNz.2da
01-17-2006, 12:24 PM
@shaded6
@Darth_Terros

Take it to PM's guys ;)

I've "purged" the posts to clean up the thread....

shaded6
01-17-2006, 12:27 PM
thanks chainz, yeah, Terros, peace? again, IM me and we can talk, it sounds good and i do want to know more about a lot of things. sorry about all of that chainz and, Darth Terros.

back on subject: yeah, i would really like to know his ways of thinking, especially after quotes like the ones you posted.

seth

Darth_Terros
01-17-2006, 01:24 PM
Nothing has really been said about his way of thinking but i guess we can assume he's pretty damn evil and probably wasnt a very nice man at all lol

From the first Quote seems he was a bit of a bastard to Sidious mocking him it seems as if to make his hate stronger Palpatine later takes these teachings and applies them to his own apprentice Vader by at first denying him the task of destroying the last jedi and taking away his freedom.

With the second quote seems it seems palapatine took this quote and used it in his plan for conquering the galaxy infact it is pretty much how he did it.

If anything i think Plagueis couldve been a Sith Lord capable of being the greatest Dark Lord Of The Sith ever known if only he hadnt taken on the young palpatine as an apprentice.

shaded6
01-17-2006, 03:39 PM
Darth Plagueis might of had an evil nature to him, especially in the concept of these two quotes, but i can definately see them effecting the way Darth Sidious planned to act on his old Master's ideas. his political accomplishment had to of been some greater knowledge in how he was going to go about construction the Empire.

"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you."
— Darth Plagueis

does this not speak volumes?

"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you;"

this challenge Sidious' point of veiw in what he wants to accomplish, his lack of understanding, his ideas and train of thought, his ego, and how he was the apprentice, not, the Master. discipline.

"tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face;"

this speaks of the true nature of the dark side and how he can teach to embrace it, overcoming fear for strength and power, contemplation, and resolution; becoming one with the teaching.

"tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you;"

teaching him something he never had, and showing him the access to self control and acceptance.

"and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you."

again, putting him in his place, because he is the Master, not, the apprentice, because it is the Master who understands, not necessarily the apprentice.

i wrote this out earlier but my computer was ****ed up. pissed me off because it was a different point, same base of thought, but totally different.

seth

Darth_Terros
01-17-2006, 04:04 PM
Once again some of the things you are saying arnt making much sense

"tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you;"

teaching him something he never had, and showing him the access to self control and acceptance.

Unless im being incredibly dumb i dont see how you could interpret that part of the quote to how you did?

Surely its more a case of tell me what you love i'll take it away thus making you feel pain and hate even more

kind of like how Padme was taken away from vader thus angering him more taking him deeper to the darkside.

How do you teach someone something they've never had?

shaded6
01-17-2006, 04:57 PM
thats not obvious? by introducing it to him, because he NEVER knew it.

not saying your concept is wrong, but if something is taken away from you, something you cherrish, and it enrages you, do you act out on that rage or do you accept it? and who is it that takes it and who is it you become inraged at? under experienced, do you try and kill your Master or listen to how he instructs you to use your anger?

teaching you something you never had: can be the dark side of the force, because you have to start from nowhere, to figure out how to get somewhere. you cant just say, hey, i'm a Sith Lord, i think i'm going to kill you now....that would be foolish, no matter how angry you are, especially if you are NOT a Sith Lord, and challenge your Master, he will definately show you something you never had before. and in the example of Darth Plagueis was to "dub" Darth Sidious, wouldnt Plagueis have to know what he is talking about to teach him?

seth

Darth_Terros
01-17-2006, 05:05 PM
Seriously im not gonna bother trying to discuss anything any more with you till you sort your atrocious writing style out.

Sorry but its appalling and very hard to follow, theres no real reason why it should be like that unless your from a non english speaking country?

Please dont take this as a flame or anything nasty but if your gonna post of a forum please make it more clear as to what your point is.

So im out of this discussion. until someone brings something else up :)

shaded6
01-17-2006, 07:14 PM
i wonder why its appalling, for the second time today, you've been like this, i just hope chainz does not ban us. yeah, well, anyways, what? you cant think about it because it confuses you? and because it obviously confuses you, its appalling?

lol, yeah, my ex-fiances mother used to say this word: appalling.

you want the point?

here you go....simple context, just for you.

never been down the dark side? just ask your Master and he will tell you what the dark side is. and if you cant understand that, then i dont know why you call yourself Darth Terros.

how are you suppossed to know something you've never experienced before?

just because its compelling, doesnt mean you understand it. and just because your new to the Sith code, doesnt mean you are a Sith. you have to learn something new in order to know what it means. you have to practice what is taught, so you know how to "use" it, and you have to ask questions and listen or it will never serve you any good to believe in the code you feel compelled to follow.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall set free me.

what are your thoughts on the code? they are stated plainly so, dont just blow it off, they say something you have to think about, and get, not just, what they say. but, because they say this, you also have the first understanding of what they mean, so you know what you are living by and what they say the Sith live by, from experience.

the code wouldnt be "real" if it werent something the Sith embraced, by experience and compulsion on their quest for power.

what do you need to know first about what it takes to know the ultimate power, the Sith search for? who has to teach it to you? and how is it introduced; enough to be consumed by wanting to attain that power?

"Always two there are—no more, no less: a Master, and an apprentice.

-Jedi Master Yoda, Star Wars: The Phantom Menace"

the dark side of the force cannot be learned if you never find the Master to teach you...

seth

Nedak
01-17-2006, 08:22 PM
Heres some Info I found on Wikipedia a while back:

The Origin of Anakin Skywalker
As revealed in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, Anakin Skywalker has no biological father. His mother, Shmi Skywalker, was unable to explain to Qui-Gon Jinn how Anakin was conceived. Qui-Gon would later theorize that Anakin was conceived by the midi-chlorians themselves, in accord with the will of the Force. This theory, combined with Anakin's unusually high midi-chlorian count and powerful connection to the Force, led Qui-Gon to believe that Anakin was the prophesied "Chosen One" who would bring balance to the Force.

It isn't until Revenge of the Sith that the subject is brought up again, when Darth Sidious states that Darth Plagueis was able to create life by influencing midi-chlorian. Anakin himself appears to take less interest in the conception of life than Plagueis's reputed ability to prevent death, so the subject is not further discussed. Whether or not Plagueis ever truly learned the secret to creating life is unclear. Sidious may have been lying to appeal to Anakin's sensibilities: Sidious later tacitly admits that, although he is the apprentice from Plagueis's tale, he does not actually know the secret of preventing death, so perhaps Plagueis in turn never knew the secret of creating life. It is possible that Plagueis knew this power, but did not actually share it with his apprentice. However, it is unlikely that Sidious, known for his methodical planning, would be so quick to kill his master before learning this technique (if it ever truly existed).

It has been suggested in Vader: The Ultimate Guide that Plagueis, in his experimentation with the Force, created Anakin Skywalker in the womb of his mother, Shmi. According to Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology, Darth Plagueis indeed knew how to create life, and sought to create a replacement for his apprentice, Darth Sidious. In Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, it is revealed that Sidious did not learn Plagueis's secret for the creation of life; and alternatively to the aforementioned sources, Sidious muses that Anakin is the "one created by the Force itself to restore balance".

The true extent of Plagueis's power may never be revealed. George Lucas himself has stated that Plageuis and his possible role in the origin of Skywalker were intentionally left ambiguous.

shaded6
01-17-2006, 08:48 PM
if anakin was created by Plagueis' teachings, because Plagueis isnt mentioned as Darth Sidious' Master until later; not even speaking on whether Sidious was Plagueis' apprentice, how is it that Plagueis had probably been dead long before anakins birth? couldnt this mean that he might of been created by Sidious?

if Plagueis was still alive during Senator Palpetines/Darth Sidious' political movement, why wasnt he mentioned being still alive and Darth Sidious' Master, throughout the entire trilogy, except the mentioning of Plagueis in episode 3? when Sidious said that Plagueis' apprentice killed him in his sleep?

and if Sidious had always known that power to create life, why would he say:

"to cheat death is the power only one has achieved, but, if we work together, i know we can discover the secrets." Darth Sidious. he knew that Plagueis knew this power, enough to say, "only one has achieved," doesnt mean that Sidious knew that power.

doesnt this mean he doesnt really know that power? if it does, does this mean that it could have been Plagueis who gave birth to anakin without Sidious knowing, if he was indeed still alive during the episodes?

plus, if you get into what Shmi said:

"There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened." Shmi Skywalker

how would Plagueis use this power from a long distance, maybe even systems away from Tatooine? did he ever visit Tatooine?

"Overview
Son of Shmi Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker is born in 41 BBY. Shmi claims that there was no father and that her pregnancy with Anakin resulted from a virgin conception. Some viewers have drawn parallels between Anakin's origin and the New Testament stories of Jesus' conception and birth, as well as classic mythological stories. Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn suggests that Anakin might have been conceived by the midi-chlorians — the implication being that Anakin is a creation of the Force itself. (According to Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith, the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis learned to provoke midi-chlorians into producing life—some have viewed this as a clue to Anakin's origins.) Lucas has said that all these issues were left deliberately ambiguous, and that it has been left for the audience to decide how Anakin was created. Still, controversy rages over Anakin's origins, and producer Rick McCallum's recent DVD commentary has added fuel to the fire."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker


seth

TK-8252
01-17-2006, 11:06 PM
We all know by now that Plagueis had no role in Anakin's birth whatsoever, so it's pointless to speculate.

Nedak
01-17-2006, 11:48 PM
^ How can we be so sure?? Also the ability to manipulate mediclorians does not matter how far away you are from the birth carrier.

shaded6
01-18-2006, 12:04 AM
no, we dont know that. just because it isnt written anywhere, atleast not officially, doesnt mean it couldnt of happened. unless it is written somewhere.

the subject was on Darth Plagueis the Wise, this also involves, who he was, what he was capable of, who he was involved with; his apprentice; Darth Sidious, and his teachings.

"Future plans for Anakin Skywalker
Palpatine knew he would need the aid of someone with extraordinary power and strength with the Force if he was ever to defeat his enemies. After Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul during the Battle of Naboo, Palpatine set his sights on recruiting another, even more powerful force-user: Anakin Skywalker.

The true extent of Palpatine's influence on Anakin's life remains unclear. It has been suggested that Palpatine created Anakin by manipulating the Midichlorians; it has also been theorized that Palpatine used his power to kill his former mentor.

When Anakin was brought before the Jedi Council by Jinn, they initially refused to allow him to be trained, because they sensed a dark cloud surrounding the boy's future."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine

so if he was(?) created by the power of Darth Plagueis, being a dark side power, wouldnt it explain his {Anakin Skywalker} nature towards the force when yoda said:

"Everything! Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you." Master Yoda

it might not be a main role in the nature of things, but if one of the things yoda spoke of was a problem anakin had been fighting, from the beginning, wouldnt you think this could also explain anakins nature especially if he was concieved by the force?

"And you, young Skywalker; we shall watch your career with great interest." Senator Palpetine/Darth Sidious

did Sidious know what he meant when he said this? did he have the same idea Qui-Gon Jin had when he first met anakin because Sidious also sensed the force being strong with skywalker?


seth

TK-8252
01-18-2006, 07:57 AM
Umm... we do know that Plagueis didn't create him. George Lucas as said that Anakin is the Chosen One, and if you listened during TPM, you'd know that means that the Force created him.

Astrotoy7
01-18-2006, 08:06 AM
shaded with the wiki again :p

TK, everyone etc.

There is ONE source of evidence that clarifies what GL thinks about whether the sith created anakin.... In a rolling stone interview around the time of the release of ROTS, Lucas was plainly asked "Did the sith create anakin" Lucas said he shot the scene to make it ambiguous, the more important thing being that Palpatine was basically throwing out lures to anakin to see which one he would bite. Whether or not it was actually true becomes irrelevant, as Palpatine succeeds in ensnaring Anakin.

Even then, after hinting to anakin he could tell him "the secrets of life and death", and after Anakin slays Mace, sidious backs out saying they'll need to work together to learn the secret. Even here, Sidious could be lying as it would definitely not serve his interests to have anakin get his way and have Padme saved. Sidious is relying on Anakins pain and rage, simple as that.

mtfbwya

shaded6
01-18-2006, 10:01 AM
here we go again:

"Overview
Son of Shmi Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker is born in 41 BBY. Shmi claims that there was no father and that her pregnancy with Anakin resulted from a virgin conception. Some viewers have drawn parallels between Anakin's origin and the New Testament stories of Jesus' conception and birth, as well as classic mythological stories. Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn suggests that Anakin might have been conceived by the midi-chlorians — the implication being that Anakin is a creation of the Force itself. (According to Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith, the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis learned to provoke midi-chlorians into producing life—some have viewed this as a clue to Anakin's origins.) Lucas has said that all these issues were left deliberately ambiguous, and that it has been left for the audience to decide how Anakin was created. Still, controversy rages over Anakin's origins, and producer Rick McCallum's recent DVD commentary has added fuel to the fire."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker

is that not a good source of information to back you up Astrotoy7? just for clarification.

and i can see why Sidious would want to provoke anakin to embrace his pain and rage: this is the Sith's prime teaching.

"The Sith also believe that instead of living alongside the Force, one must master it and use it as a tool."

"It is largely based on emotions and passion rather than peace and serenity which are preached by the light side of the Force."

and even the 2 quotes Terros posted make you think on the True Nature of The Dark Side:

"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you."
— Darth Plagueis

"You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species... finally, the Galaxy itself."
— Darth Plagueis

so self control can also be an asset towards gaining more power over yourself, your capabilities in the force, and using it for what you would use it for; good or evil. and because you realize your own self control, you realize your place as the apprentice, not yet the Master. but because you are taught in the ways of the dark side of the force, as Vader was consumed, it consumes you to the point to want to become the Master; which includes your own ideas on the dark side of the force, your own power, and your own will to do whatever the hell it is you want to do with that power.

are there anymore teachings on Darth Plaugeis' mindset? i can see this in Darth Sidious also, especially using anakins emotions against him, so anakin can learn to embrace them (referring to Plagueis' quotes). here is an instance also, on the nature of Sidious' teachings:

"Born circa 57 BBY, Darth Maul was the first known apprentice to Darth Sidious. A Zabrak originally from Iridonia, Maul had no memories of his homeworld or family, having been kidnapped as an infant by Sidious."

"Indoctrinated in the ways of the Dark Side from youth, Maul had no emotion aside from bloodlust and rage. By the time Maul was an adolescent, his master had already forged him into a weapon of pure hatred.

The ultimate test came when Maul was abandoned by his master on an isolated Outer Rim world, forced to survive alone while being hunted by hordes of assassin droids. After a month's time, his master returned and challenged his apprentice to a duel, one which Maul lost. Sidious then told Maul that he had failed and he had been secretly training a replacement for him. Rage and hatred overwhelmed Maul, and, in one final act of defiance, he nearly defeated his master. When Maul's emotions were finally spent, he prepared himself for death, yet his master laughed instead. By wanting to kill his own master, Maul had in fact passed the final test. His master proclaimed him Darth Maul, Dark Lord of the Sith and took him to a new home on Coruscant. Unlike later apprentices, Tyranus and Vader, Maul had no ambition to strike down his master. He did realize, however, that Sith tradition required the death of his master before he could acquire an apprentice of his own."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Maul

this can also speak volumes on the Sith code, the gaining of control over oneself, by embracing it and using that control for your own power, the influence of the dark side and the Sith tradition. not much different then the thought of Sidious' Master and his own idea. to convert someone to the dark side, you have to be able to teach them to embrace it; while, in that process, it consumes you.

so Darth Plaugeis' teachings werent necessarily vain if Sidious had no ****in clue on how to attain them, it just means, the Master always has a greater understanding then his apprentice; (this could make the apprentice impatient and jealous) but because that Master has that apprentice he is given the oppurtunity to explain to the apprentice everything he knew, as in the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise:

"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? No? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life.... He had such a knowledge of the dark side he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.

He became so powerful the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. [smiles] How ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself." Supreme Chancellor Palpetine/Darth Sidious, Plagueis' apprentice;

this explains much on the ways of the dark side.

"the dark side of the force is the pathway to many abilities that some consider unatural." Supreme Chancellor Palpetine/Darth Sidious.

does this mean he had the ability that Plagueis had? when Sidious said more on different subjects that involved this power, and never admitting to having it himself?

"Be careful of the Jedi, Anakin. Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn the Dark Side of the Force and you will save your wife from certain death." Supreme Chancellor Palpetine/Darth Vader

putting a perspective out there for anakin to contemplate; misleading him (now) later by saying:

"to cheat death is the power only one has achieved, but, if we work together, i know we can discover the secrets." Darth Sidious

anakin pledged himself to Sidious' teaching, maybe in hope of attaining his power to save padme? then later misleading him again saying:

"Lord Vader, can you hear me?" Darth Sidious
"Yes, master." Darth Vader
"Where is Padmé? Is she safe? Is she all right?" Darth Vader
"It seems in your anger, you killed her." Darth Sidious
"I? I couldn't have! She was alive! I felt her!" Darth Vader
[things begin to implode in the room, including droids. Vader breaks loose from his restraints, takes his first steps, and then rears back in anger and pain while the Emperor smiles] (Sidious smiles, wickedly).
"Noooooo!" Darth Vader

as if Sidious no longer has to try and teach Vader what he originally promised and suceeding in anakins full conversion.

in a way, yes, anakin contributed to padme's death: she had lost the love of her life, the father of her children, anakin had turned to the dark side. but because all this happened, Sidious straight up lied to anakin about how she died. she lost the will to live. i dont blame her; everything that had happened probably devistated her to that point because of the way the dark side of the force was judging anakins character, after his conversion.

1, either hiding the truth in what Sidious' original comment was to convert anakin to the dark side for more power and to save padme, when he {anakin} knew she would die, and 2, Darth Sidious killed Plagueis because he either couldnt understand what his Master tried to teach him; couldnt master the ability for his {Sidious'} own gain, consumed with whatever emotion it is he went through and killed Plagueis, losing the knowledge of "life and death." if you want a key record of Palpetines ruthless behavior;

click here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine

did anakin ever learn this power from Sidious, when Sidious had promised him a way to attain it?

yes, it is pointless now because padme is already dead, but the fact of it is that Sidious probably never spoke on the subject again.....ofcourse after anakin had been completely converted to the dark side.

and just because Sidious didnt know the power, doesnt mean Plagueis didnt.

and what if another reason for killing Sidious was because of all the lies he had lead Darth Vader to believe in his quest for more power; never really achieving this power, because in all the episodes, except for 3, where we truely saw Vaders strength as the young Sith Lord, he was more misplaced towards being in control of the Empire and not his gain of additional power. more of a slave then an apprentice.

"Shira Brie (a.k.a. Lumiya) was a Force adept and Emperor's Hand who was trained in rudimentary Sith knowledge by Darth Vader. After the Emperor and Darth Vader died in the Battle of Endor, she inherited the title Dark Lady of the Sith, as she had been quietly instructed by Lord Vader in the basics of Sith teachings in a violation of the "Rule of Two"; and in what was possibly a prelude to his own attempt to assassinate Darth Sidious and take Lumiya as his apprentice (before encountering Luke and offering him that position during their duel at Bespin)."

one way or the other, Darth Vader got his revenge, found redemption and went on to become one with the force he was created by; fulfilling his "Chosen One" identity.

seth

TK-8252
01-18-2006, 04:07 PM
No, wikipedia is not always a reliable source. ANYONE who wants to can edit the pages on wiki.

Nedak
01-18-2006, 05:38 PM
^ Thats true.... If someone like Supershadow got on the Wikipedia website their could be problems.

shaded6
01-18-2006, 11:10 PM
hmmmm, yeah i thought about it, but then where is the legit information?

this is why i used mostly quotes then wiki. and even if the information i used from wiki, doenst mean it doesnt make a good point.

seth

swphreak
01-19-2006, 01:25 AM
I think we can infer that Darth Plagueis was Darth Sidious/Palpatine's master. And since ever Sith Master is overthrown by his apparentice, yes, we can assume Sidious killed Plagueis after he learned everything he needed from him.

I believe Palpatine already knew how to cheat death, and just lied to Anakin. I also wonder if Palpatine used the death-cheating power to keep Anakin alive after the duel.

Also, you can get legit information from any official Star Wars website, and supershadow should be a censored word on this forum.

Astrotoy7
01-19-2006, 05:54 AM
lolz... I dont even see any point being discussed here that is not blatantly obvious ...

That Plageuis is Sidious Master is absolutely official and unequivocally established.

and this isnt wiki crap :p
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/index.html

Everything else is conjecture, and cannot be stated clearly by anyone at this stage,as that is how GL has wanted it to pan out for the sake of anakins character development in ROTS.

We may only find out more in upcoming EU focusing in the sith lords :)

Now, I'll give this thread one more chance to not become a
juvenile nerd fest

-awesomez sithy :p

mtfbwya

shaded6
01-19-2006, 08:48 AM
alright, between, Astrotoy7 and Insane Sith, if we cant get into a good conversation about star wars theory, the website shoudlnt even be in existence; no offense. also, no offense, the person who wrote the thread asked questions on the subject, if it becomes a nerd fest because we give our opinions and answers, as lucas wants us to do, its because either you, Astrotoy7 and Insane Sith, think that its a nerd fest. we're just getting into it all; lol, thats what we're suppossed to do.

"juvenile nerd fest" right.....well, i'm 20, so i lack the possibility of being a juvenile, ever again....

would you rather talk about Full Metal Alchemist? "winks at StarWars Phreak..."

seth

p.s and if we never get to a conclusion of the questions asked, then the person who wrote the thread never gets their answers; making every thread, even mine, pointless.

come on! let us get into it.....Astrotoy7, you have to admit, if you get into the conversation, that makes you just as much a nerd as everyone else, lol, especially if it comes to star wars. i actually enjoy talking with you, seriosuly, 1, your a moderater and you have some good info, 2, i'm here to ask questions, and 3, i'm here to find out information and try to answer those question; of either the person who asked or myself.

no one can say Sidious knew the power because he never proved it. we cant say why he didnt prove he did, didnt matter when he said:

"Be careful of the Jedi, Anakin. Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn the Dark Side of the Force and you will save your wife from certain death." Supreme Chancellor Palpetine/Darth Vader

he never proved that he knew. all he proved was that he knew force lightning, blue lightning, and was okay with a lightsaber. and granted, padme died, but this does not mean anything, even if he did know the power, it became pointless to use it. probably another reason why Sidious didnt need to teach Vader.

in the original trilogy you wont even see Sidious pick up a lightsaber, he has Vader do all that kind of thing.

sorry, i HAVE TO USE THIS....dont be mad, Astrotoy7.

"SW is testimony to sticking to a creative vision, and backing up your belief in it by risking your entire livelihood on it. Thats what GL did, and in the process he revolutionised the whole media of film and the film making process. I find that part of GLs story quite inspiring.

But Sw is special to me for many reasons, but most of all, the films, cartoons books games etc are FUN

mtfbwya" nerd........see, what that says, is exactly why i am into star wars and everything about it. i just have to get a good source of information.

"takes a hit from a cigarette"

seth

swphreak
01-19-2006, 09:45 AM
no one can say Sidious knew the power because he never proved it. we cant say why he didnt prove he did, didnt matter when he said:

What about at the end of the duel? Don't make me put in my ROTS DVD. I can swear Palpatine said stuff like "Live" or whatever. It sounds to me like he was using the power to cheat death for anakin.

Ok, maybe it was in the book, but I'm too lazy to search for it.

shaded6
01-19-2006, 09:49 AM
he did? yeah, your theory about how Vader lived might of been that power, i totally agree, i'll turn the movie on too myself just to check, but yeah. maybe he did. meet you back here in like a few minutes....

p.s off subject: Scars brother went absolutely ****in nuts! but somehow found his sanity. those alchemy tattoos were ****in awesome, especially when he was in contact with the stone, they raditated orangish red light, ****in awesome looking. i want to make a star wars anime, and my testimony into an anime.

ChAiNz.2da
01-19-2006, 09:54 AM
What about at the end of the duel? Don't make me put in my ROTS DVD. I can swear Palpatine said stuff like "Live" or whatever. I think it was "He's alive.." but not sure..

shaded6
01-19-2006, 10:00 AM
yep, the Emperor arrived and said, "He's alive, get a medical capsule immediately." then he walks down to anakin and kneels and touches him, nothing else is said. when the Emperor was sitting next to him, anakin just layed there. when he is brought to Coruscant in the medical capsule, you can see him moving around a little, and during the time when he was on the table and the droid were taking off most of the burnt skin, clothes and all that, he was screaming.

poor guy. he went through a lot; how he lost his arm and leg and caught on fire, man, terrible way to go.

seth

Astrotoy7
01-19-2006, 11:08 AM
lolz @ phreak..

*gets out ROTS illustrated screenplay*

Sidious : "There he is ! He's still alive !"

watch it - he appears quite amazed and almost relieved.

Saying that Palpy knows how to cheat death is mere fanboy speculation. Remember ROTJ ? Palpy walks with a cane.... if he was able to cheat death, you'd think he'd keep himself spry on his feet ? :p

shaded , keep your off topic rants to yourself :( SW anime has naught to do with Plageuis..

mtfbwya

shaded6
01-19-2006, 11:36 AM
yeah well, okay........i'm sure those smilies dont really involve the way you said that last sentence or how i might take the way it was said. it was just a comment because Phreak had "Scar" as an avatar. plus you were the one who threatened to close this nerd fest; if the subject wasnt going anywhere, when everything about the subject was covered, i didnt think it would mean any harm. i will keep the rest of my comments to myself. sorry.....

where is this where Sidious walks with a cane? Return of the Jedi? that "ROTJ" abbreviation stuff is weird. what part was this where Sidious was walking with a cane?

seth

swphreak
01-19-2006, 11:45 AM
Stover, Matthew. Revenge of the Sith
Page 408
The Sith Lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the cool ground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackened mess that once had been his brow, and he set his will upon him.
Live, Lord Vader. Live, my apprentice.
Live.

That could just be an attempt at force heal, or not.

As for Palpatine being all old and stuff. Look at Yoda. He's older and still kicked Dooku's and Palptaine's ass. Plus, isn't the Dark Side supposed to wither and waste your body? ;)

shaded6
01-19-2006, 12:06 PM
but the stuff in the book isnt in the movie, so i mean now we have two thoughts on it. does the dark side waste away your body? might explain Darth Sidious' teeth. lol.

it was a fair fight between Yoda and Sidious, neither one of them kicked either of eachothers ass; it was a tie. but yeah, Yoda had hundreds of years of Jedi training; Sidious probably had atleast 30 to 40, nowhere near to comparision. does this explain the true power of the dark side, enough for it to challenge Yoda? and you could see Yoda was in total control of the situation; giving Sidious a fight for his life, literally.

Sidious looked challenged in the movie, when it shows him screaming or whatever during the fight between him and Yoda. Yoda definately had a focus during that fight.

thats an interesting quote from the book though. see, they should have put that in the movie, then we could have a conclusion to whether Plagueis' ability was taught to Sidious; or if Sidious knew that ability.

"That could just be an attempt at force heal, or not."

when did a Sith just "let" the force do anything? lol

seth

Darth_Terros
01-19-2006, 12:58 PM
Sidious probably had atleast 30 to 40, nowhere near to comparision.

Well he's probably had far more years of training than that.

swphreak
01-19-2006, 01:01 PM
but the stuff in the book isnt in the movie, so i mean now we have two thoughts on it. does the dark side waste away your body? might explain Darth Sidious' teeth. lol.

I give the books priority of the movies. It's a personal preference, and I'm sure it irks some people. As for the Dark Side withering his body. I always see Dark Side users withering away from the use of the Dark Side (KOTOR 1&2). In fact, [EU Warning] Palpatine had to keep cloning himself because his body kept wasting away. Could that be Darth Plagueis's power? I doubt it was meant to be, just one of those things that just happen.[/EU (Dark Empire Series)]

Sidious looked challenged in the movie, when it shows him screaming or whatever during the fight between him and Yoda.

Mace Windu was clearly owning Palpatine. Yoda just realized he couldn't win, and had to bide his time for the future of the Jedi Order.

Darth_Terros
01-19-2006, 01:13 PM
Mace Windu was clearly owning Palpatine. Yoda just realized he couldn't win, and had to bide his time for the future of the Jedi Order.

I think palpatine was pretty much letting mace get the upper hand knowing full well anakin was going to burst in any minute and save him completeing his turn to the darkside.

shaded6
01-19-2006, 08:03 PM
when Yoda was thrown down because of absorbing all that lightning and the release of energy or whatever it was that made them go flying, it threw them both over the edge, literally; Yoda might have thought about the Jedi Order and considered his life and decided to leave, but if he wanted to keep or rebuild the Order, he would have continued and rebuilt it, before Luke. the Order was dead, and as long as Sidious was Emperor it would have been hard to start it again.

whats weird, how is it that only the Jedi of the coucil were shown dying, when there were probably hundreds more all over the galaxy? it only showed the council members, some of them, dying, not the rest of the council. and yeah, when anakin stormed the Jedi temple killing the younglings and padawans, this weakened the Jedi's practice even more, but did this have to destroy the entire Jedi Order?

anakin felt guilty by cutting maces' arm off and immediately Sidious came in with more deception, anakin eventually gave in and pledged himself. anakin was only thinking about himself and padme at the time and God knows what else, which might have been a stupid idea, but, it didnt change that he gave himself over the Sidious. Sidious took advantage of anakin because of how strong the force was with him; Sidious did this with (tried to do this with) Luke also when he realized who Luke was, the power in him, and the thought of the fall of the Jedi; and probably many more reasons.

could you imagine all the emotional conflict in anakin at the time? i mean people go through a lot when things take the toll on your emotions. and for whatever reason he let the dark side of the force consume him so much that it changed his entire ways of thinking. he listened to Sidious when he said:

"Do what must be done, Lord Vader. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy. Only then will you be strong enough with the dark side to save Padme." Darth Sidious

anakin did exactly what Sidious told him; did not hesitate, showed no mercy and became even closer to the dark side until his redemption; without saving padme.

could he of saved padme even if he knew she was alive or not? not if Sidious didnt teach him Plagueis' ability. do you think Sidious was really concerned with anakins love life when Sidious had his own plans for himself and the Empire? yeah, if he taught it to anakin it could have been used for many other reasons besides saving padme, Sidious would of left it up to him, but because padme was dead and anakin couldnt bring her back, and there is no mention of the power Plagueis suppossedly taught Sidious from anakin in the old trilogy, does this mean anakin or Sidious knew it?

seth

Kurgan
01-19-2006, 09:29 PM
I agree that Yoda and Palpatine seemed pretty evenly matched in the movie. Yoda just gave up because he lost his midichlorian cloak. :(

That or he just got too demoralized, because I honestly don't see how falling down or losing his lightsaber temporarily, or the impending arrival of a squad of Stormtroopers would really have mattered too much to Yoda. I mean it's YODA!

Anyway, as far as taking the novels over the movies, that's fine, but that's not the canon policy of LucasFilm or of Lucas himself. The movies ARE Star Wars. Everything else is subserviant to that. Even the novelisation of ROTS is based on the story by George Lucas and the screenplay, but written by somebody else. Approved by Lucas of course, but not the movie, and thus not his "definitive vision" of it. Personal taste aside of course. ;)

IIRC, according to Lucas, in the ROTS audio commentary and perhaps elsewhere in quotations, he says that Palpatine did NOT throw the fight. His plan was to kill Windu like the other Jedi, but Windu was more than a match for him. Read the novel, he was having trouble fighting him, and we can see that Windu was getting the upper hand on him. What was the "deception" was his acting old and feeble in front of Anakin to gain sympathy (please don't let him kill me, I can't hold on any longer... I'm too weak, oh I'm weak, etc). That was playacting. Clearly his lightning wasn't doing any good against Windu since it was all getting blasted back in his face.

According to Lucas the powers Palpy was using wore him down and the stress on his body is what resulted in his "change." It's not that lightning hitting you automatically makes you look old, because it never did that to Yoda or Anakin or Windu. His teeth turn rotten and his fingernails turn long and dirty. Clearly its a change on his whole body, not just his face. He's able bodied, but we know that old people can be able bodied thanks to the force in the prequels. Basically there's a few theories rattling around... that Palpatine was actually much older than he looked and was using the Force to keep his body looking "younger" than normal, and he had to give up this extra power while he was fighting Windu AND blocking his own lightning (or he'd have been hurting himself more than he was with his own bolts and stopped sooner). Another theory is that he kept calling on more and more power and that was what "aged him" rapidly. So even though he's only a 63 year old man, he looks like he's over a hundred thanks to the strain (and I suppose again absorbing his own energy too).

You'd think he could just re-adjust his aim and hit Windu instead of stupidly hitting himself over and over, but perhaps Windu was using the force to channel all the lightning into the energy blade, just as Yoda may have done so into that glowing thing in his hand(s).

So what would have happened if Anakin hadn't shown up? I think he would have been forced to keep fighting and Windu may have killed him after all (since he decided that Palpy was too dangerous to be left alive after all, though his original intention was to simply take him into custody). Did Palpatine, sensing Anakin showing up, decide he'd play weak to gain sympathy? Surely. If Anakin hadn't shown up I think he'd have tried to keep fighting or roll away, perhaps getting klilled int he process. But that's different than saying that he dilberately "threw the fight" and that he'd have killed Windu easily. Lucas didn't intend for us to think that.

shaded6
01-19-2006, 10:33 PM
yeah Sidious did have that whole deception look in his eyes when he addressed anakin to help him, like, he knew what he was doing. kind of strange, even facing death he still tried to convert anakin to the dark side (just like the situation when Plagueis taught everything to his apprentice and the apprentice killed Plagueis in his sleep). what if anakin let him die? lol, he would have been ****ed out of a lot of things, including his role in A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, lol. not the same acter ofcourse, but the same character. if that happened we wouldnt even be having this conversation. i'm glad we are though.

remember the first appearance of the Emperor in A New Hope? he looked like he wore glasses. lol. anyways.

it was probably a wise decision for Yoda to walk away, admitting there might not be anything else he could do, even though, knowing that he MIGHT be able to defeat Sidious, he used his oppurtunity to remember the ways of the Jedi:

"You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive." A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." Master Yoda

this could speak louder; admitting that he was balanced enough to consider the ultimate reality in things and that situation(the good from the bad), peaceful because his decision was influenced by how he thinks; using the force, passive because he cant get over confident and rush into a fight without balance, knowledgeable because he considers all things and defensive because he stands for what he thinks it True; never having to attack but proving that he doesnt have to if he is attacked. Master Yoda was wise.

i can see Plagueis in Sidious, even though i really dont know much about him, i can see the quotes Darth Terros put up towards the beginning of the post, influencing how Sidious was. isnt this how its suppossed to be, unless you disagree with your Master and end up killing him for whatever reason? we learn from our Masters point of veiw and use it to kill him, lol. the Sith are ruthless.

seth

swphreak
01-20-2006, 12:00 AM
Like I said, it's a personal choice that probably irks people ;)

In the ROTS novel, Mace Windu and his use of Vaapad was a clear match for Palpatine. Yoda saw into the future that he could not win against the Sith. The Jedi of old were not prepared, so he left so he would eventually restore the order (through Luke). It is said many times that the Dark Side withers away the user's body.

isnt this how its suppossed to be, unless you disagree with your Master and end up killing him for whatever reason? we learn from our Masters point of veiw and use it to kill him, lol. the Sith are ruthless.

That is what it is to be Sith. The apprentice learns everytihng he needs, then overthrow the master to become Lord of the Sith. But this is for another discussion as this is a thread about Plagueis.

Astrotoy7
01-20-2006, 03:40 AM
... Yoda just gave up because he lost his midichlorian cloak.....

lolz...you're kidding right ??

mtfbwya

Kurgan
01-20-2006, 04:09 AM
It makes perfect sense though. Once he loses the cloak, turn tail and run he does...

Mmmmm.... :yoda:

Anyway, that thing about "Lord of the Sith" is nice, but both Sith Lords are called "Lord." Lord Maul and Lord Sideous. Lord Sideous and Lord Tyrannus. Lord Sideous and Lord Vader... Still, if you're the Master rather than the apprentice, it's like, wow, you're the King of an army of two. Big deal! ;)

Yoda probably sensed that he'd die fighting this battle, but he should have sucked it up and gone in full throttle. It was his only chance to stop the Sith and he had a great chance at it. If he killed the Sith and then died, hey, at least he stopped the Sith, right? With Palpatine dead, his Empire would be over before it began, then the reforming Senators could fill the gap. Why would Yoda want to go into exile anyway? All his closest friends and basically the folks who've been his family all his life are dead. Of course with his long life he probably has gone through countless generations of students and friends, but still. Basically if he does this, he'll perhaps die himself and Sideous will be dead, but isn't that better than letting the galaxy suffer under 25 years of oppression, billions of deaths, the Galactic Civil War, and dying on some crappy swamp planet? Obviously Lucas wrote himself into a corner here, and so Yoda just had to run away from a pretty even fight.

He lost his midichlorian cloak! ;)

shaded6
01-20-2006, 09:32 AM
"That is what it is to be Sith. The apprentice learns everytihng he needs, then overthrow the master to become Lord of the Sith. But this is for another discussion as this is a thread about Plagueis."

if we are talking about one of the most influencial Sith that ever walked or taught, anything, dont you think that it is part of what the thread needs to get you to think on Plagueis? especially if it is about him and his apprentice, being Sidious learned from Plagueis? we cant just get into a theory without contemplating every possible idea about why this is the way it is or what it is about without considering all the facts.

and Yoda lost his cloak, lol, and never wore it again......

Yoda could have gone full force, but this goes against his teaching to Luke:

"never for attack." Master Yoda.

it doesnt mean he couldnt of killed Sidious, it just means that he didnt and considered what might happen if he tried; he could have failed not only against saving the Jedi Order, but failed by losing his life and the Jedi Order never coming back. he had a chance with Luke and succeeded. was Luke even a Jedi after maybe 3 years in training? just because you knew some things on the force doesnt mean you know enough the bring back the Jedi Order, even though Luke did, what could happen to it if he were to have an apprentice who disagreed with his teachings, slew him and started the Sith teachings once again, as the Sith do? the Jedi Order would be in even more darkness because he never truely understood what it meant to know the force, enough to teach it.

like any teacher or Master you have to understand what is possible with what you know. like Yoda also said before he died:

"Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Luke... Luke... do not... do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will. Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke. There is... another... Sky... walk...er.” Master Yoda

"pass on what you have learned" is a way for both Jedi and Sith, because in order to teach you need to know what you have learned, what you have experienced with what you've learned and what you know is evident with what to know; by using it.

Plagueis was killed for what he taught Sidious, the ways of the Sith, does this mean that even Sidious understood anything other then what his Master taught him? it does not matter his politcal accomplishments, yes, they were part of it, but that is something more complex; but, in everything that we do, we are to be True with what we know, towards how we are in what we do, in everything it is that we do. this can be for either the Sith or the Jedi and is part of them both.

if we want to get into a conversation about Darth Plagueis we need to know more information on him. does anyone know where to get this information?

seth

Astrotoy7
01-20-2006, 10:29 AM
....if we want to get into a conversation about Darth Plagueis we need to know more information on him. does anyone know where to get this information?....


wiki !

lolz, as has been mentioned already there are 4 sources which mention Plageuis
*ROTS movie
*ROTS Novelisation/Screenplay
*Labyrinthe Of Evil Novel (mentioned him first)
*SW Databank

CUSWE Entry (http://www.theforce.net/swenc/search.asp?t=Plagueis&EandD=EyDn&e=&s=&c=&p=&a=&no=10)

so, until more material is released eg, there were hints at a sith lord novel(like the Darth Bane Novel) which will focus on either him or Sidious - there aint much to go on :( All that is left is fanboy speculation, which is basically a waste of time...

mtfbwya

shaded6
01-20-2006, 10:51 AM
yeah wiki doesnt have anything on him, i checked. its got him listed but barely any information.

seth

Astrotoy7
01-20-2006, 12:19 PM
yeah wiki doesnt have anything on him, i checked. its got him listed but barely any information.

seth


lolz... I was being sarcastic... wiki is hardly an official or reliable source. Any clown can write/edit a wiki article, even I have!(check the entry for Lucasforums :p) For all and any SW and EU information you just dont need to look anywhere other than sw.com and the CUSWE/Chronology at TFN, which compiles official source material.

mtfbwya

Darth_Terros
01-20-2006, 12:26 PM
the CUSWE/Chronology at TFN, which compiles official source material.


But then again i've found some stuff on that to be not wholly trust worthy and occasionally outdated *remember the Darth Zannah thing astro? seems they changed it for the new version*

Astrotoy7
01-20-2006, 01:09 PM
But then again i've found some stuff on that to be not wholly trust worthy and occasionally outdated *remember the Darth Zannah thing astro? seems they changed it for the new version*

Yes, but they changed to reflect the changes in the EU material, they weren't making up things. I love how CUSWE lists its sources for each entry. awesome :)

mtfbwya

Darth_Terros
01-20-2006, 01:15 PM
Yes, but they changed to reflect the changes in the EU material, they weren't making up things. I love how CUSWE lists its sources for each entry. awesome :)

mtfbwya

Yeah and at least the CUSWE cant modified by every loser out there like wiki.

shaded6
01-20-2006, 01:45 PM
what the **** is CUSWE?

seth

Commander Obi-Wan
01-20-2006, 01:52 PM
what the **** is CUSWE?

seth

I assume it means Completey Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia (http://www.theforce.net/swenc/)

shaded6
01-20-2006, 02:07 PM
question: if it is unofficial why would i want to read what it says?

a good sense of knowledge is legit, not questionable, unless you dont know what the knowledge is about; then we ask the questions. like Astrotoy7 said, it could all be fanboy stuff.....but i will check it out anyway.

plus, i looked at the site on stuff about the Sith, they have like a few articles on it, with barely any information. whats up with that? how reliable can that be if i am trying to find out information on a subject like, Darth Plagueis; or any other Sith?

seth

Darth_Terros
01-20-2006, 02:09 PM
how reliable can that be if i am trying to find out information on a subject like, Darth Plagueis


You'll find very little information because **** all is known about him yet except he was sidious's master and claim to be able to keep people alive thats it nothing more nothing less

shaded6
01-20-2006, 02:23 PM
but the power was never proven to exist, especially if Sidious was actually Plagueis' apprentice. in the movie, Revenge of the Sith, Palpetine only admits that Plagueis knew the power, not that Palpetine was his apprentice or was taught the power. ofcourse he couldnt tell anakin that at the time, but he never told anakin that he was Plagueis' apprentice at all after he became Darth Vader; or if he {Sidious} even had that power.

why would Sidious talk about a power he did not know; reguardless of trying to convert anakin, why would it be a subject if he truely did not know the ability?

man, i can feel this **** in my bones! now i think i can grasp the idea of the dark side and how it consumes you; because it engulfs you to the point you give into it. (control yourself)

sorry: writing all this **** gets me excited. i kind of want to go conquer a system or something.....

Darth Terros: i offered this of Astrotoy7 and she never responded but i want to offer you the same thing;

lets elaborate together and take over the galaxy.....the old fashioned Sith way.

seth

swphreak
01-20-2006, 02:41 PM
CUSWE is reliable because people work hard to make it so. It is a good source of information, and more reliable than Wikipedia for Star Wars information.

why would Sidious talk about a power he did not know; reguardless of trying to convert anakin, why would it be a subject if he truely did not know the ability?

Mainly to convert Anakin. He mentions Padme to get to him.

Darth_Terros
01-20-2006, 02:58 PM
why would Sidious talk about a power he did not know; reguardless of trying to convert anakin, why would it be a subject if he truely did not know the ability?

He talked about this power because he knew anakin had been having nightmares about padme dying he wanted anakin to believe the darkside could help her even if it wasnt true so that it make him more likely to choose that path

And sorry i decline the offer of joining you as its

A) fake
and
B) I doubt even if i was a sith lord you'd be worthy to even be the guy that gets my Sith robes dry cleaned as you seem to lack even the basic concepts of the sith order.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2162/200pxcuriousjedi6hl.jpg

shaded6
01-20-2006, 03:47 PM
well since you know so much on the Sith Order, why then arent you some powerful Sith Lord already (theoretically)? you always say something like that, my misconceptions, whatever, yeah, why is it i ask questions then; if not to find answers? i wouldnt wash your robes even if you asked, if you did, you wouldnt like what i might think i am obligated to do then. no trouble started, but, dont try and make me feel like a low life because you have all the answers. i sware, no sense of conduct. why is it that you are this way, especially towards me?

i mean by all means, it does not bother me, its on you to come to your conclusions, which effect you, not me. all i have to do is sit back and watch it unfold.

but you, you have this mentality towards me that makes no difference whatsoever; lol, funny, because i get to laugh from time to time, or i get extremely blissful when a full out rage comes on and i push all the energy into my very being, controlling it and using it in a possitive way. funny, i'm not so consumed that i have to act out on that rage; so what is the concept of the dark side again?

tell me your understanding about the code, if:

"you {I} seem to lack even the basic concepts of the sith order." Darth Terros


elaborate, dont portray yourself to know if your not willing to explain and back up your theory or ultimate knowledge of the dark side of the force.

i will start a new thread for this, actually, its already started: "origin of the Sith: the dark side."

seth

Darth_Terros
01-20-2006, 03:51 PM
well since you know so much on the Sith Order, why then arent you some powerful Sith Lord

Its not real.

shaded6
01-20-2006, 03:57 PM
and that proves that you have no sense of humore whatsoever.....

"well duh!"

seth

Darth_Terros
01-20-2006, 04:05 PM
Nothing you've said has been in the slightest bit funny.

shaded6
01-20-2006, 04:11 PM
maybe not to you or anyone else for that matter.

i'm not trying to be funny by the way. if i can get a laugh out of it, i most definately will, without anyone elses opinion.

seth

swphreak
01-20-2006, 04:25 PM
Alright, we've gotten all we can from this thread. In the future, please keep the bickering off the board or in PMs.