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Diego Varen
02-02-2006, 02:50 PM
In this thread, you can send in your views on which Jedi Masters you want to return as Force Ghosts in the next KOTOR. Even if Jedi like Jolee or Juhani aren't on the poll, you can still send a reply and say if you want them. You can also say which Sith Lords (Optional) you might want to return as Force Ghosts.

Personally, I would like Lonna Vash to return as a Force Ghost, because she was hardly seen in TSL. I never knew what Lightsaber she had, etc. Not that some people would care... I would also like to see Zez-Kai Ell, Kavar and Vandar as Force Ghosts.

As for Sith, I don't think we will be seeing Sion, Nihilus or Traya, but Malak may have a chance. As a redeemed Jedi. Another idea for a Sith Force Ghost, I thought of would be Bandon.

PS: You can also reply, no Force Ghosts.

Vladimir-Vlada
02-02-2006, 03:10 PM
I would like to see Vandar, Zhar and Dorak; optionally Vrook.

JediMaster12
02-02-2006, 04:52 PM
I voted for Kavar because he seemed more worldly in terms of how the galaxy functioned. I would like it even better if Jolee could be one too, provided he isn't dead.

Jae Onasi
02-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Well, Jolee, of course, if he's died, but since he's not a Jedi Master on this list, I'll go for Vandar with Kavar as a very close second. They have the wisdom and Jedi experience to provide good guidance.

Killwithhonor
02-02-2006, 05:24 PM
I voted Vandar but i really want to see Vash, cause she died on Korriban, she probally had alot of info to tell to, from what i read from her datapad

JediMaster12
02-02-2006, 05:59 PM
Yes and it seemed that she tried to hold to the Jedi Code. That thing about taking responsibility and not casting blame.

Clone L68362
02-02-2006, 06:45 PM
None of them are as important as other characters we've met, so if we had to have ghosts I wouldn't want any of them. Jolee (if he's dead, which I don't think he should be) or Kreia.

FiEND_138
02-02-2006, 07:05 PM
None of them. Listed characters or not.

MachineCult
02-02-2006, 07:50 PM
None of them, only a handful of Jedi know how to become a Force Ghost, none of them are on your list.

Char Ell
02-02-2006, 08:07 PM
I liked Master Kavar. He seemed very pragmatic to me in how he dealt with the Exile. If there are any force ghosts in the next KotOR I would like to see him as one.

Jeff
02-02-2006, 08:24 PM
I don't want any of them as Force Ghosts since Obi-Wan was the first to achieve a physical state as the Force (Qui-Gon could only do the voice IIRC).

Mandalorian-Jed
02-02-2006, 08:42 PM
Actually it was rediscovered by Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan wasn't the only person able to do it. Ulic-Qel Droma disppears upon death and he isn't even in contact with the Force!

The Jedi of old could do it, but the technique was lost. The PT Jedi couldn't has they hadn't rediscovered it yet.

Hallucination
02-02-2006, 09:12 PM
None of them. I didn't like them, they were all too stuck up.

Maverick5770
02-02-2006, 10:19 PM
I think that either Vandar, Kavar or Zhar should return, i don't think Jolee is dead. Honestly though, I doubt there will be any important role of force ghosts though. BTW why is Atris a choice, did she die, I thought she was still alive when I left Telos for the last time.

SithJedi21
02-02-2006, 10:50 PM
Come on, where's Jolee man? I prefer Jolee over most of them.

Darth Windu
02-02-2006, 11:54 PM
Well, for me it all depends on who the PC is. I mean really, Kavar should only appear if you play as the Exile, same thing for Zhar if you are Revan.

Given the choice, I would take Jolee.

RobQel-Droma
02-03-2006, 12:27 AM
Jolee. All the others are just maybes. Kavar might be good, or maybe Nihilus (I know he isn't a Jedi Master, he is a Sith Lord), but I really just want Jolee.

Rok_stoned
02-03-2006, 12:38 AM
Jesus please!!!!111one!!!1!1!!1!


Seriously though, Atris I'd like to see her wiser and trying sincerely to help

The Doctor
02-03-2006, 01:01 AM
Dorak. I've developed sort of an attachment to him since Dark Mirror.

JediMaster12
02-03-2006, 02:13 AM
And how would Dorak help the PC? Tell the Tales of Revan of something? To be honets, my ultimate favorite for a ghost is Jolee because he's the crotchety old hermit who's been lost in the woods for too long. :)

Master Kavar
02-03-2006, 02:21 AM
Kreia. Seriously, I don't care what anyone thinks. She made TSL the awesome game it was, and a small cameo stint as a Force Ghost would make any sequel just that much better.

Aside from her, Vrook would make a great Force Ghost. He would be like a more annoying and criticizing version of Obi-Wan, lecturing you from beyond the grave. It would suit him perfectly.

Diego Varen
02-03-2006, 02:37 AM
I think that either Vandar, Kavar or Zhar should return, i don't think Jolee is dead. Honestly though, I doubt there will be any important role of force ghosts though. BTW why is Atris a choice, did she die, I thought she was still alive when I left Telos for the last time.

You can kill Atris, Light or Dark. I also read on GameBanshee that you don't get Dark Side points for killing her.

RedHawke
02-03-2006, 03:06 AM
None of them. Listed characters or not.
Quoted for emphasis! ;)

Darth Sun_Tzu
02-03-2006, 04:16 AM
I'd have to go for Vandar.

But i have to say, i don't think that Kavar, Vrook or Zez-Kai Ell could become force ghost because of how they died. Their bodies are totally drained of the force they are like voids and don't become one with the force.

bolsen
02-03-2006, 08:34 AM
Vandar, he is the wisest of them all and if any of them knew how to become a force ghost it would have to be a yoda-ling. Also, Kavar, Zez Kai-Ell, and Vrook all died without the force. I think that Jolee should come back though more than anyone as a force ghost. Sure he's not definitely dead unless Revan was DS, but think about it. . . he was like 70 years old in KoTOR 1. This game could be close to 20 years after the first one.

Darth Sun_Tzu
02-03-2006, 08:41 AM
Also, Kavar, Zez Kai-Ell, and Vrook all died without the force.

Isn't that what i just said?

bolsen
02-03-2006, 09:30 AM
Isn't that what i just said?
Sorry man, I must have scrolled past your post the first time I read this.

Darth InSidious
02-03-2006, 09:41 AM
ZIPPO!
Force ghosts are the supreme cliche, and must be avoided at all gho-- I mean, costs.

Cygnus Q'ol
02-03-2006, 12:35 PM
Actually, they can all stay gone.

Hopefully the storyline won't be so rigid that our alignment deviations won't have any affect on our mission priorities.

LS and DS play should have different paths to the end. If that's the case, then new masters, new planets, and new companions are all required.

If Coruscant isn't available, then somewhere else should be used for lightside training.
(anywhere but Dantooine)
Along with a new master. Doesn't have to be a white, human male either.

...and Korriban isn't the only sith world in this galaxy. There are plenty of places to learn the ways of the darkside.

RobQel-Droma
02-04-2006, 02:38 AM
^But none of these other Sith planets just are the same as Korriban. :)

I could live without force ghosts, but if they do it right, I think having Jolee or someone else wouldn't be bad. I disagree that they are the "supreme cliche."

Darca Lar
02-11-2006, 07:29 PM
i would like to master vandar again, hes like a second yoda

darkhelmut
02-28-2006, 07:26 PM
None of them. There all a bunch of morons. And If there's a jedi hell, I hope the're all in it.

Soogz
02-28-2006, 09:02 PM
I would like to see Kavar and Dorak come back as ghosts. They deserve some input in the game.

Kensai
03-01-2006, 09:13 AM
None, Force Ghosts have lost all meaning after Anakin was replaced with Hayden instead of the Green Cross Code guy.

Never again...it's starting to get over-used now...seems everyone should be ablwe to do it now...

Aurora Merlow
03-01-2006, 09:35 AM
none of them. If it had to be someone, Vandar but i would prefer if there weren't any at all. I hope its not Jolee cause i want him in it or as a cameo (still alive). I don't think it could be Zez kai ell, Vrook, or Kavar because after there dead and you look at them it says they look worse than dead, that they had the force drained from them. I doubt they could come back from that, but i could be mistaken

Weiser_Cain
03-01-2006, 09:35 AM
Actually I'd like to find the unknown planet and come across the force ghosts of Jolee and Juhani. Juhani has fallen to the darkside in her despair at being, well, dead. If I go the LS path I talk her down from whatever she's plotting and get jolee to make/give me a Holocron, if I'd DS I either side with Juhani or subvert her plans in favor of my own (with high charisma/persuade), we sunder jolee's ghost and create a clone or otherwise find a body for Juhani (either cathar or another near-humanoid, say a tall twilek with sickly red eyes), then go have some fun.

Venom750
03-01-2006, 10:31 AM
I like to see Zhar because you didn't see him much in the first and not at all in the second

Prime
03-01-2006, 12:10 PM
None of them.

†Saint_Killa†
03-02-2006, 09:08 AM
I would ever not see those guys again. All they did was tell you that you done somthin' wrong and give you tons of sermons. Just like my mom!!!!

Non-false Jedi
03-02-2006, 12:55 PM
I was pretty much tied between Vandar, Zez Kai Ell, and Kavar. i couldn't decide but voted Vandar

ExileRevan
03-03-2006, 05:06 PM
I want Vandar to return just because he's awesome! The Whill race is just 2 cool.

The Distorted
03-04-2006, 03:02 AM
Do we actually know that Vandar is dead? If so, then how?
He was alive at the end of KotOR 1 (in canon light ending), so he must have died (if he did at all) during the events in the 5 years or so between when both games are set.
Was he on Katarr when Nihilus ravaged it? If so, then surely (as other people have said) he'd be drained of all his life force, like Kreia did to Vrook, etc. and therefore could not become a ghost/spirit as he simply ceases to be, any longer.

I don't remember him be referred to at all in KotOR 2. Did I miss something?

RedHawke
03-04-2006, 03:48 AM
Do we actually know that Vandar is dead? If so, then how?
*snip*
I don't remember him be referred to at all in KotOR 2. Did I miss something?
Fix the Protocol Droid by the Ebon Hawk's landing area on Dantooine in TSL and you can unlock a dialog between Vandar and Vrook about the Exile.
;)

khawk
03-04-2006, 04:22 AM
Well, Vandar doesn't have to be dead at all.
In Kotor I, he was on the Republic ship with admiral Dodonna but he there escaped this ship. Just like Revan / Carth and Bastila (the Endar Spire) in an escape pod.

You can set Revan to DS and still Vrook tells you Vandar died on Katarr.
But what if he didn't die on Katarr or maybe didn't went to Katarr.
Or he might have survived Nihilus attack just like Visas Marr did (possibly hiding in a crystal cave which, who knows, could protect you from Nihilus's attack?
If you didn't see someone dying he/she could still be alive and it would be a good addition to Kotor III.

Reclaimer
03-04-2006, 04:30 AM
I chose Zhar, for he was the one who re-trained Reven in KOTOR 1. He would most likely have alot of information on Revan and his fighting styles/techniques.

The Distorted
03-04-2006, 07:59 AM
I chose Zhar, for he was the one who re-trained Reven in KOTOR 1. He would most likely have alot of information on Revan and his fighting styles/techniques.

I hadn't chosen anyone yet, but after reading your post, I have to agree, and so I voted for him too. He would be the one, I think, who could teach you the most (maybe even give an insight into Revan's mindset, and offer possibilities as to where he might have headed, and give further information on his past, thus enhancing the story/sense of continuity even further, etc). Yes, definately him now that I think about it. I hope he does show up.

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Oh, and cheers RedHawke for the info, I clearly missed that. :)

stoffe
03-04-2006, 10:58 AM
None of them, let the dead rest in peace. :)

I don't know why the EU is so keen on recycling characters who have already perished. I'd prefer if they would come up with new, interesting characters instead. Death loses its impact if it's nothing but a minor inconvenience.

Ztalker
03-04-2006, 11:09 AM
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I agree, although i think some force ghosts should appear. I think Vandar is a must, since he was the leader of the Jedi in part one, and he led a Jedi Strike force when he was killed (makes him cool ^^)

Also, Vrook should appear, just for his cynical jerkish comments. It could bring out some very cool DS options, since he can't harm you anymore now he's dead.

'I hate you old man.'
-'Why you little! I'll show you!'
*punches into nothingness*

Vibro
03-04-2006, 01:25 PM
I voted for none of them. Especially if you start the game as a new PC. If you go Revan or the Exile then perhaps a force ghostwould be a good idea.

Lantzen
03-04-2006, 06:57 PM
No force ghosts, like Vibro sayed maybe if you are Revan or Exile but i want to be a new PC.

vader815
03-04-2006, 09:53 PM
Vrook! Vrook! Vrook! Vrook! We need Vrook!

Renegade Puma
03-15-2006, 08:52 AM
I think it would be cool if the game was set like 100 years after TSL. And Revan and the Exile would be the force ghost. Guiding you on where to go and what to do in order to defeat the new threat.

KyleOfHarpenden
03-31-2006, 01:47 PM
well i want jolee because he's a legend but zahr because he trained revan but i dont think that we will play as revan or the exile in the next game probally just an outcast from the mandalorian wars who heads to dantoonine and finds it in ruins but the katarr thing would work because visas will most likely go back there and you can go to like a chamber and see them that would be COOL

igyman
04-02-2006, 01:31 PM
Instead of Jedi Force ghosts why can't we see some more of the Sith Force ghosts, someone like Marka Ragnos, or Naga Sadow?

JediMaster12
04-03-2006, 03:11 AM
I think it would be cool if the game was set like 100 years after TSL. And Revan and the Exile would be the force ghost. Guiding you on where to go and what to do in order to defeat the new threat.
Sounds a bit like the newest Galaxies game or somethign with Obi-wan Kenobi guiding you

As to Force ghosts, I am all for them if they can be worked in. Either that or a holoimage which would give the same insight as to character personality.

helljumper51
04-03-2006, 07:20 AM
i think it should b atris, becuase i want her to come backk all pissed at u for sending her to her fate,and she wants to kill u. if u succeed, then she tries to turn u to the darkside by giving u information that she learned by the sith holocrons.

Uber_Saber
04-03-2006, 01:40 PM
Vrook, because he's just too much of a stubborn cuss to let death keep him from ragging on the students. Kinda funny that way. Maybe have a quest aimed at getting rid of his spirit, heh.

Angelos Kumani
04-03-2006, 10:19 PM
I voted for none...it's not that I think it's overdone, or don't like the character's - I just hope that they don't rely on recycling former favorites to try to sell the game and make it good...I want the focus to be on new characters with cameos (or a little more than cameos) by past characters...I just think that the force ghost idea would have to be too involved in the main storyline for it to work...


If any at all, it would definetly be most interesting if the ghosts were/was Revan and/or the Exile...

†Saint_Killa†
04-04-2006, 09:41 AM
I have to agree with Reclaimer, Zhar would be perfect and give info about Revan.

Beast-Thrasher
04-04-2006, 11:41 AM
GO NEMO! lol he knew about Revan. Absolutely brilliant. I wouldn't want to see Atris as a Force ghost I want to see her as an NPC, I'm pretty sure she would have a good story to tell. Not to completely evade the point of this thread I wouldn't mind like the Sith Lords of old or Maybe Zhar talking about Kreia since Kreia said he was a fool for some reason or and he could talk about Revan and/or Kavar so he could talk about his former Padawan, I have to admit I'd like to see Vash since she was killed off....BOOO is all I have to say about that!

Sabretooth
04-05-2006, 03:17 AM
Vandar, if anyone. But I'd prefer Jolee Bindo, really. He was the best Jedi I've ever seen, even better than Yodaski. Kavar and the other bunch of Jedi were horribly irritating and I constantly felt like punching them in the face...

RaV™
04-05-2006, 03:56 AM
None of them.

Darth InSidious
04-07-2006, 05:12 PM
Instead of Jedi Force ghosts why can't we see some more of the Sith Force ghosts, someone like Marka Ragnos, or Naga Sadow?
Now that is a good idea :)

The Sith are a lot more obsessed with life than the Jedi, after all.

bobogarcia
04-22-2006, 03:28 PM
Id love to see Jolee return. He is my favorite jedi from both games. The only master id like to see is the Twi'lek one (sorry havent played K1 in a long time)

Niwram
04-22-2006, 04:50 PM
I'd like to see Atris return as a force ghost. She could show up at the middle of the game and talk to The Exile about all kinds of serious stuff. After the conversation Atris would dissapear, and the Exile would walk into the dark, ready to join Revan and "the others" to fight more True Sith.


It would also be cool to see Vrook return as a force ghost. It would be especially touching if you killed him in TSL, to see Vrook forgive the Exile, and finally start talking to him like a normal person.

Atris2
04-22-2006, 06:11 PM
i would like 2 see vander, i adore that little green buger!!! and i would like 2 see atris. i would want 2 know what possibilities she would have with the exile if played as male

Sanctuary
04-22-2006, 07:06 PM
None of them:
They all seemed like A-holes from my POV.
Besides, it's time for something of a new start. :ears1:

tbl1
04-23-2006, 01:44 AM
maybe even Revan?

Henz
04-23-2006, 04:13 PM
All of 'em. Plus more. An army of jedi spirits that march against the true sith.

NomadInvader
04-24-2006, 05:24 PM
The yoda-like guy!

firehead2591
04-24-2006, 07:04 PM
vandar because he is very very short and kinda cute...*ahem* in a manly way *ahem*

master gale
06-07-2006, 12:17 PM
harhoth, jolee said he is one of the wisest master that ever live. or perhaps brianna mother, arren kae or maybe malak as redeemed jedi. i have a question, when malak turn to sith, what rank was he. knight, padawan.

Sith_Lord_Alzar
06-09-2006, 07:22 PM
will revan be in the next game cus ive been waitin to kill him

RainMan666
06-11-2006, 05:39 AM
blah...I liked Kavar. He's just a cool guy...I don't like vandar though because he's pretty much just there because people like Yoda. I don't like Vrook cuz personally, I believe he has a stick up his ass ; )...I don't like Kreia, but if she was in here she would definetly add some features to the story plot. same goes for sith spirits, especially NIHILUS!!! he totally pwns. He should be in number 3, it would be interesting to learn how he was a jedi and became this ass kicking, planet eating dude who can wield a lightsaber pretty damn well. not to mention the mask.

Feagildin
06-13-2006, 03:29 PM
None of them, but if I had to choose, Vash. I would much rather have a Sith Lord like Exar Kun or Naga Sadow than a Jedi Master.


Instead of Jedi Force ghosts why can't we see some more of the Sith Force ghosts, someone like Marka Ragnos, or Naga Sadow?lol, didn't see that till after I posted. I'm with ya, igyman.

darklord_malak
06-13-2006, 03:49 PM
i think that kevar should be a force ghost. He is one of the most open jedi masters and i would have voted for vandar if i knew that he died. I liked most of the jedi masters, i really enjoyed the jedi masters and jedi temples, same for the sith

Itchy Tasty
06-15-2006, 09:52 PM
If it should be anyone that deserves such prestige as being a Force Ghost - it should be Jolee. He earns for being so wise, in my opinion.

Though, I'd prefer to see no Force Ghosts and Jolee alive really.

darklord_malak
06-16-2006, 03:07 PM
i would have to see the same about kevar, how about kevar did not get killed, kreia didn't kill him on purpose. that could be done for all three who died, kevar rules!!!!(this is a different thread)

Lord Foley
06-17-2006, 01:58 AM
Vrook. He was in KotOR I, he was in KotOR II, and the deja vu past relived sort of thing is awesome.

Darth InSidious
06-17-2006, 02:06 PM
Who says the masters in TSL are dead? IIRC, Kreia claims she'd 'stripped them of the Force', or made them feel what the Exile did/did what they were about to do to the Exile (can't really remember, sorry...)

Lord Foley
06-18-2006, 11:33 AM
Who says the masters in TSL are dead? IIRC, Kreia claims she'd 'stripped them of the Force', or made them feel what the Exile did/did what they were about to do to the Exile (can't really remember, sorry...)

You know for a fact that they are dead if you turn to the dark side in the game, and seeing as that is the case they can't exactly put them in the next game as being alive, or at all, unless you make the assumption that they are dead.

Darth InSidious
06-18-2006, 12:53 PM
*shrugs* It could be plot point that varies with light/dark-ness.