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Diego Varen
03-02-2006, 04:01 PM
On KOTOR, I've always wondered how does Calo Nord survive from Taris. I can't think how he survived.

And also on TSL, how does the Twin Suns survive on Nar Shaddaa? I thought that it might be something they forgot to take out or something.

Post what you think.

Xbx_Inthusiast
03-02-2006, 04:08 PM
I'm thinking Calo Nord had his own ship, within Davik's Estate. And the twins, i'm sure they had them too. I mean, it's completely possible just to get the hell outta dodge just in time.

PoiuyWired
03-02-2006, 04:40 PM
Well, with skills like that, and bodies like that... its not hard for the Twin Suns to survive. :)

Melly
03-02-2006, 04:51 PM
They also say that Atton was hitting to wound not kill, in other words he was just trying to knock them out and get away long enough to warn the rest of the crew. ;)

zadi
03-02-2006, 04:56 PM
I'm thinking Calo Nord had his own ship, within Davik's Estate. And the twins, i'm sure they had them too. I mean, it's completely possible just to get the hell outta dodge just in time.

I don't think it was ever said how he escaped but it is possible that he escaped on another ship (his own) or stormed the Sith base to get one from them. If you download one of the mods that recovers Deadeye Duncan's conversations, you'll find out some stuff that might apply to Calo Nord's escape.

As for the Twin Suns. It's possible that they have implants similar to Canderous. Remember in KOTOR, he does say his implants can revive him in order to play dead to save the crew after they've been captured. Since the Twin Suns are bounty huntresses, it is possible that they had implants as well.

JediMaster12
03-02-2006, 05:07 PM
That's possible I was just mad because I was hard for me to kill them on the PC version. XBox it's easy. I played it safe and laid the cantina full of sonic mines, enough to knock them out.

Diego Varen
03-02-2006, 05:08 PM
As for the Twin Suns. It's possible that they have implants similar to Canderous. Remember in KOTOR, he does say his implants can revive him in order to play dead to save the crew after they've been captured. Since the Twin Suns are bounty huntresses, it is possible that they had implants as well.

If they had implants like that, they wouldn't be so stupid to take them out.

Busby06
03-02-2006, 05:14 PM
For Calo Nord i reckon he must've had a ship. I mean he was the best bounty hunter around, so he would have to have his own ship... and know how to get out of a sticky situation.

And for the sister, i reckon Atton was there just too wound them not too kill, but to be honest i think his mind was alittle set of saving the PC rather than killing to bounty hunters.

zadi
03-02-2006, 05:22 PM
If they had implants like that, they wouldn't be so stupid to take them out.

I never said that they would have taken them out when they fought Exile. Since we don't know if they did or didn't it's just speculation on my part. It could also be possible that they survived the fight with Exile on Goto's ship but end up dying when the ship explodes.

But Melly is right. If you have Atton in your party to rescue the Exile, we find out that Atton didn't kill them - he struck them to wound them.

Atton: Not again!
Twin Suns: We meet again, handsome, strong... fearful human.
Twin Suns: Next time, strike to kill, not to wound. You will not escape us this time.
Atton: Run?! I didn't run from you two shuttas last time - and this time, I'm going to make sure you stay down.

Maverick5770
03-02-2006, 10:56 PM
Calo survived by hiding in the lower reaches of Taris, and as for the Suns, my opinion was he just wanted the hell outta there, not to stay and make sure the job was done.

Emperor Devon
03-03-2006, 12:24 AM
Meh! This sort of thing happens all the time. How did Vader survive in ANH when he was in a damaged ship in the middle of nowhere? How did Grievous make it back from Coruscant to the Confederacy in a small escape pod without running into the Republic? How did Sion survive Peragus blowing to smithereens? How did Kreia survive when Nihilus and Sion stripped her of her power?

RedHawke
03-03-2006, 02:30 AM
How did Vader survive in ANH when he was in a damaged ship in the middle of nowhere?
Darth Vaders Tie Advanced X1 Prototype had Shields and a Hyperdrive.

How did Grievous make it back from Coruscant to the Confederacy in a small escape pod without running into the Republic?
Escape Pods are not registered regularly as combattant craft during battle, remember that they had to be manually selected and targeted in ANH, and since Grevious would have no real life-signs (Cyborgs don't) and no one wastes a shot on an empty pod (ANH), Snidely "Grevious" Whiplash gets to escape. :xp:

How did Sion survive Peragus blowing to smithereens?
The Harbringer never was shown as being destroyed.

How did Kreia survive when Nihilus and Sion stripped her of her power?
They cast her out, Kreia's suffering was more valuable to them.

Back on-topic, Calo Nord was supposed to be a resourceful Bounty Hunter, so were the Twin Suns, hence they have a survivability chance no matter what they face.

"Chance favors the prepared mind." :D

Prime
03-03-2006, 11:19 AM
If Boba Fett can survive the Sarlacc Pit, Calo Nord can survive Taris.

Cygnus Q'ol
03-03-2006, 12:02 PM
CALO
With metal girders pinning him down, he was unable to move to free himself as Revan and Canderous, leaving him for dead, race towards the Ebon Hawk. Deafening explosions rocked the hangar and blew piles of concrete and steel around like litter in the wind.

Barely conscious and bleeding, Calo is released by an explosion that opened up the floor beneath him. Falling through the hole, he lands hard on the next deck below but with a hollow metal clang. Another explosion actually sat him up and he peered around only to realize he was actually sitting on top of a ship.

He remembered the common shuttle bay was directly beneath Davik's hangar.
Just then Calo does something he very rarely does. He smiled.
"I might actually get out of this." he thought as he slid down the wing and onto the deck.

Piloting through a maze of explosions and activating many of the cockpit's controls simultaneously, Calo does realize something about himself.
"I really am hard to kill..."
While staring into space, the images of Revan's and Canderous' escape burn into his head. "I will see them dead" he mutters as the hyperdrive whines and stars stretch into lines.


TWIN SUNS
"It's a shame we couldn't have met under *different* circumstances." thought Atton as he eyed his beautiful but deadly foes. The blue radiation of his personal shield flickered as he snapped it to life.

Just in time as a blow to the chest knocked him backwards, onto the floor and up against the bar, spilling juma juice down the front of him and causing his shield to crackle a bit.

Leaping up and squaring off at his foe duo, he circles them slowly. His echani blade seemed to come from nowhere to parry half a dozen quick strikes in a row. Although quick, the twi'lek hunter's strikes were lacking the power to do him real harm. Could it be the shields? or perhaps the correlian power suit he fancies so much?

No, it must be his training, unconsciously activating as he deflects then attacks, deflects then attacks. Realizing that if these two are on him then others must be after the Exile's other acquaintances. He also deduced that even though they were inferior to him, killing them would not be easy, or profitable and he had no time for a full-out battle. The others must be warned.

He decided, quite unconsciously, to draw them closer where he could immobilize them quickly and escape without delay.
Of course, a shot of juma before heading out is not out of the question.

JediMaster12
03-03-2006, 12:52 PM
Did you make that up or did you find it from somewhere?

Diego Varen
03-03-2006, 01:05 PM
Did you make that up or did you find it from somewhere?

I would say that he made it up.

The Distorted
03-03-2006, 01:46 PM
But Calo didn't have the Sith auto-targeting laser codes (or whatever they're called - someone remind me), that Revan etc did. That's the biggest plot-hole in his escape, as far as I'm concerned.

He must be one bloody good pilot! :lol:

zadi
03-03-2006, 02:59 PM
But Calo didn't have the Sith auto-targeting laser codes (or whatever they're called - someone remind me), that Revan etc did. That's the biggest plot-hole in his escape, as far as I'm concerned.

He must be one bloody good pilot! :lol:

Remember, Deadeye Duncan said a handful of people escaped. He also tells us that the Sith sent down auto-piloted ships to evacuate the Sith soliders. So Calo could have easily found one near Davik's compound.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7254/deadeye000314bt.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadeye000314bt.jpg)

While Deadeye Duncan was supposed to be in the official game it was cut out. It was only due to a modder that the content was recovered.

narfblat
03-03-2006, 03:34 PM
But Calo didn't have the Sith auto-targeting laser codes (or whatever they're called - someone remind me), that Revan etc did. That's the biggest plot-hole in his escape, as far as I'm concerned.

He must be one bloody good pilot! :lol:
They were about to board the Ebon Hawke when you arrived. This makes me think that Davik and Calo had just barely gotten the code.

CountVerilucus
03-03-2006, 08:54 PM
Meh! This sort of thing happens all the time. How did Vader survive in ANH when he was in a damaged ship in the middle of nowhere?

I read somewhere he crash landed on the planet Vaal. He had to trek through the planet to get to an Imperial Relay Outpost while fighting vicious creatures and finally gets a shuttle back to Corusant.

The Distorted
03-04-2006, 02:35 AM
Remember, Deadeye Duncan said a handful of people escaped. He also tells us that the Sith sent down auto-piloted ships to evacuate the Sith soliders. So Calo could have easily found one near Davik's compound.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7254/deadeye000314bt.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadeye000314bt.jpg)

While Deadeye Duncan was supposed to be in the official game it was cut out. It was only due to a modder that the content was recovered.

That's intriguing, I had no idea about that. Cheers for the information.

That's kind of interesting though that the Sith took it upon themselves to rescue those stationed on the planet, cos I doubt Malak ordered it to be so, given the way that he dismisses Saul's concerns for their "own men" that would be caught in the attack.

They were about to board the Ebon Hawke when you arrived. This makes me think that Davik and Calo had just barely gotten the code.

I thought that the only way they could get them was through breaking into the stationed Sith military base, and that T3-M4 was the only one who could break into there. Oh well, I guess it's all just about speculation - we'll never know, it's just implied that there was some other way in which they were initially (until you showed up) going to attempt to escape.

Vaelastraz
03-04-2006, 08:09 AM
If Boba Fett can survive the Sarlacc Pit, Calo Nord can survive Taris.


What the ..?
How can Boba survive that? And where did you get that information?

Non-false Jedi
03-04-2006, 09:43 AM
he blasted his way out in the EU.

zadi
03-04-2006, 01:22 PM
What the ..?
How can Boba survive that? And where did you get that information?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/bobafett/?id=eu

Fett's armor and body were extremely battered by his ordeal in the Sarlacc. When he plunged into the beast, he was kept alive by numerous fibrous suckers that attached themselves to his body. This was part of the Sarlacc's horrible metabolic process; it would keep its prey alive for thousands of years, all the while slowly feeding off it. Fett almost lost his identity in the swirling dementia brought about by the Sarlacc's toxins. His resolve held, and he used his weapons to blast free of the beast.

Naked, wounded, and defenseless on the sands of Tatooine, Fett was rescued by his fellow hunter Dengar, who nursed him back to health. Fett reclaimed his armor and his reputation, returning from the "dead," and again taking on bounties. It wasn't until six years after the Battle of Endor that Han Solo learned his nemesis was still alive. Although Fett still piloted his antiquated Slave I, he updated his arsenal with the ultrasleek Slave II. These were but the first two of his vessels, which would eventually number up to Slave IV.

CountVerilucus
03-04-2006, 02:37 PM
It would suck to get tossed into a Sarlacc pit

zadi
03-04-2006, 03:12 PM
It would suck to get tossed into a Sarlacc pit

::snickers:: Literally. LOL :lol:

Emperor Devon
03-04-2006, 03:42 PM
Darth Vaders Tie Advanced X1 Prototype had Shields and a Hyperdrive.

But the ship was spinning out of control. It would be foolish to jump to hyperspace in a ship that couldn't even fly straight.

It clearly straightens out in the movie, Vader is a good pilot you know. :dozey: -RH

Escape Pods are not registered regularly as combattant craft during battle, remember that they had to be manually selected and targeted in ANH, and since Grevious would have no real life-signs (Cyborgs don't) and no one wastes a shot on an empty pod (ANH), Snidely "Grevious" Whiplash gets to escape. :xp:

Some of Grievous' internal organs and his brain are still intact. That would send a signal.

Nope, the presence of a few living organs doesn't read over the machinery surrounding them. Full conversion cyborgs like Grevious would reradily read as droids or not at all as the life readings are far to small to read. Especially in a combat environment where your ships sensor arrays would be primarily focused on maintaining target locks on enemy capital ships and fighters, not scanning every escape pod for Snidely "Grevious" Whiplash making his dastardly escape. ;) -RH

The Harbringer never was shown as being destroyed.

It was never shown, yes, but that explosion destroyed the mining facility, which was much larger than the Harbinger, and Sion couldn't have punched in the hyperspace coordinates to some other planet within a few seconds.

The ship was a combat vessel and had shields that could easily handle area explosive forces like that, while violent, the only hazard they would have caused was the particulate matter turned into projectiles, but particle shielding in Star Wars is quite impressive, even in KotOR. -RH

They cast her out, Kreia's suffering was more valuable to them.

It was intended for Kreia to be killed, though. On the Harbinger, Sion seems surprised that she's still alive, and in some cut content, he says "There is more. Darth Traya yet lives. You did not kill her as you assumed."

First off, cut content doesn't count for arguments. Cut-content isn't real content. It has no bearing on the story at all that is why it was cut.

Second, Sion and Nihilus would not have killed Kreia. It was shown in the game that they stripped her of her powers and cast her out, this was a far more fitting punishment to them than death was. They wanted her to see her failure, only then could her failure be complete. ;) -RH

As for how the Suns and Calo survived, I think that Calo had his own ship in Davik's estate, and used it to outrun the blockade. Yes, the auto-targeting laser cannons could shoot down any ship, but there were probably so many vessels fleeing Taris that they provided cover for Calo. And the Suns do say "You should tell your companion he should strike to kill, not to wound." That implies that Atton was obviously not trying to kill them.

I answered in your post ED to not take this thread any more off topic, if you want to discuss this further then creating a thread in Ahto or in the Movie/EU Forums might be a better place for this. :D -RH

PoiuyWired
03-06-2006, 05:42 AM
As for the Twin Suns. It's possible that they have implants similar to Canderous. Remember in KOTOR, he does say his implants can revive him in order to play dead to save the crew after they've been captured. Since the Twin Suns are bounty huntresses, it is possible that they had implants as well.

Implants? You mean their lekkus and boobiees are fake? o.O

That aside, I don't think they have such combat-heavy implants. Twin Suns are not like Candie the Shock Trooper.

Well, I think they die during the G0T0 incident though, a pity.

Xbx_Inthusiast
03-06-2006, 10:03 AM
I knew it! They WERE fake! They looked strange.. and I knew they weren't using a pushup..

Cygnus Q'ol
03-06-2006, 11:53 AM
I would say that he made it up.

Yes, sometimes my delusional mind spits incoherant poodoo.

About the plot hole:
I just assumed that all turrets and cannons would have been given Malak's order to fire on the planet. Yes, Calo was an exceptional pilot.
Too bad I (Revan) had to kill him.

Nice fill Zadi. Thank you.

About Fett and the Sarlaac:
I believe it's book (1) of the Bounty Hunters series that begins at the aftermath of Jabba's death at the Pit of Carcoon. It's really interesting to experience what exactly happens in the belly of a Sarlaac.

It's not just physically that you are digested. Your mind and sanity are also digested over many years. Also, those that have gone before you aren't exactly gone either. You have to read to believe.

Note to self:
If ever eaten by a Sarlaac, make sure to wear my jet-pac.

PoiuyWired
03-06-2006, 05:28 PM
...sounds like a grim version of tentacle hentai to me...

I always wonder though... can Sarlaac preserve a species beyond its expacted lifespan??

OK, back to topic... We can confirm that Nord is dead in the end, but we don't know if the Tin Suns are just "wounded" in the fight on G0T0's ship.

Technically they got wasted when the ship goes boom, but as said, "the fat one" himself escapes.