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Darth Macca
03-15-2006, 11:35 AM
I was just wondering this the other night. What if Darth Maul (after inserting his Lightsaber into poor old Qui-Gon) killed Obi-Wan aswell? Would Anakin be allowed to be trained? It would have been so different. Darth Maul - The dark lord of the Sith? Pretty interesting one thinks...

Darth_Terros
03-15-2006, 11:59 AM
Well darth maul was a dark lord of the sith so the title would be the same

and i think it wouldve turned out pretty similar anyway palpatine himself wouldve just killed maul after he was done with him and then taken on dooku as his apprentice

Darth Macca
03-15-2006, 12:12 PM
I disagree. I think he would have stuck with Maul, he's a far better Sith Lord than Count Dooku and if Darth Maul had killed two Jedi Knights, that would have enhanced his reputation even more. Palpatine speaks very highly of Maul during Episode I, he had high hopes for Maul.

Darth_Terros
03-15-2006, 12:25 PM
Nope

If he would've stuck with maul it would've ruined his whole plan for taking control of the galaxy

He needed someone more political and more capable of funding and controlling an army which maul simply wasnt, Maul was an assasin and was trained from birth to be an assasin not a general and certainly not politacally minded.

Thats why his death was of no importance to palpatine he used him for what he needed and that was it he was a pawn of palpatnes just like dooku was.

Darth Macca
03-15-2006, 01:00 PM
yes you are right at the fact that dooku is more engineered for politics than maul, that's obvious. but why kill darth maul? if chancellor palpatine is so powerful, maul would to be of no threat to him and only be an advantage to palpatine. darth maul seemed loyal enough to follow the dark lords orders and i'm pretty dam sure palpatine would persuade dooku to work alongside maul - they would form a great partnership.

Darth_Terros
03-15-2006, 01:09 PM
Remember Palpatine was a Sith of Darth Banes order where there can only be two Sith at any one time.

this is also the reason he got Anakin to kill Dooku and no doubt if Maul had survived he wouldve got Dooku to kill him.

Commander Obi-Wan
03-15-2006, 07:07 PM
I think Darth Maul would kill Palpatine himself, just because he'd become more powerful.

Kurgan
03-16-2006, 01:59 AM
Why do people think Darth Maul is a "better Sith Lord" than Count Dooku? It's not as if Dooku can't fight, he clearly is a masterful swordsman and a match for Yoda in sheer force power. He only loses to Anakin when Anakin starts to use his anger (dark side) to win. He is "the chosen one" after all, so in a way fighting Sith is his "speciality." ;)

We don't learn much about Darth Maul in the movies, but he seems to be a pretty loyal henchman. A great fighter, but I'm sure Dooku could handle him. Would Palpatine seek to replace Maul with Dooku if Maul hadn't died? (We need not assume that to live Maul had to kill both Qui Gon AND Obi-Wan, perhaps he was forced to flee or something in our alternative scenario, though his "mission" was undoubtably to kill the Jedi and then the Queen if she failed to sign the treaty which by this time had little chance of happening). I'm sure Sideous's plan was to use the "tragic death" of the Queen and situation on Naboo to get the sympathy vote and make sure he could secure his powerbase as a purported "reformer" of the corrupt Senate (since after all, if they couldn't help this poor pacifist nation from the greedy corporate armies, clearly new leadership was needed, somebody smart and noble like.. Palpatine!).

Was Darth Maul powerful enough to take on Yoda? I doubt it. Would he have become powerful enough over time? Who knows...

I realize there's EU stuff about Darth Maul showing how "bada$$" he is and trying to turn him into the next Boba Fett (himself an overblown character in the EU if there ever was one), but I haven't read it. I'm just going by what we know from the movie and the TPM novelisation. Maul's role in TPM is closer to Vader's in ANH, only without the lively banter and air of authority.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 02:36 AM
I think Darth Maul would kill Palpatine himself, just because he'd become more powerful.

How'd you work that one out? Even yoda couldnt beat palpatine?

Palpatine >> Dooku >> Maul

Good Sir Knight
03-16-2006, 03:06 AM
Nope

....He needed someone more political and more capable of funding and controlling an army which maul simply wasnt.........


He did but do you think Dooku was the only man with pull in the Galaxy? Besides, Dooku doesn't know about the rule of two....

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 10:40 AM
Why do people think Darth Maul is a "better Sith Lord" than Count Dooku? It's not as if Dooku can't fight, he clearly is a masterful swordsman and a match for Yoda in sheer force power. He only loses to Anakin when Anakin starts to use his anger (dark side) to win. He is "the chosen one" after all, so in a way fighting Sith is his "speciality." ;)

Don't get me wrong, Dooku is a decent swordsman - but I don't agree that he is a match for Yoda in force power. In Episode II, Yoda calmly stops every obstacle thrown at him by Dooku with great ease. Dooku struggles to keep up with Yoda with the lightsaber so he flees. Yoda makes Dooku look very ordinary. I think Darth Maul (had he gained more power) would have become a great Sith Lord - a possible threat to Palpatine and Yoda. If he was given more time and learned the ways of the force more, he would have dispatched Count Dooku rather easily.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 11:15 AM
Dooku doesn't know about the rule of two....

What? yes he did! what makes you say that?

I think Darth Maul is very very overrated remember guys he is just a big ball of hatred not much else really i dont think he would've made a great sith lord at all as it takes a bit more than just being angry to be as powerful as someone like Palpatine

Like i said earlier Darth Maul was just a tool of Palpatines to get rid of necesary people standing in his way once that was done their was no need for him and he wouldve been discarded.

Has anyone here read shadow hunter? that pretty much sums up Maul and he just seems to be Palpatines hunting dog.

Alkonium
03-16-2006, 11:24 AM
What? yes he did! what makes you say that?
I think he might be referring to Asajj Ventress, but technically she was Dooku's disciple, not his apprentice. A mere Dark Jedi, not a Sith.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 11:27 AM
I think he might be referring to Asajj Ventress, but technically she was Dooku's disciple, not his apprentice. A mere Dark Jedi, not a Sith.

Yeah Ventress was never a sith just a disciple

Dooku clearly knows about the rule of two as i think its in labyrinth of evil? he is clearly worried about Palpatine taking on Anakin as his apprentice and he knows its going to happen and when it does his time will be up.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 11:35 AM
What? yes he did! what makes you say that?

I think Darth Maul is very very overrated remember guys he is just a big ball of hatred not much else really i dont think he would've made a great sith lord at all as it takes a bit more than just being angry to be as powerful as someone like Palpatine

He wasn't all hatred, he was very loyal to his master and very ambitious. Qui-Gon Jin was a great Jedi and he knew Darth Maul was a well trained Sith after they encountered on Tatooine. His hatred only shone during his duels which made him stronger. It makes every Sith Lord stronger when anger and hatred is combined. You've got to remember aswell - he almost killed off Obi-Wan if it wasn't for a huge slice of luck.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 11:44 AM
The thing that made Darth Maul able to channel the Darkside was hatred, he used his hatred to fight and to even feel the force.

Sadly this was Darth Mauls undoing his hatred of the jedi was soo strong he lost focus of the task at hand.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 11:47 AM
The thing that made Darth Maul able to channel the Darkside was hatred, he used his hatred to fight and to even feel the force.

Sadly this was Darth Mauls undoing his hatred of the jedi was soo strong he lost focus of the task at hand.

At what time in Episode I did Maul lose focus of the task in hand? If I remember correctly, he took on every task given by Palpatine with great authority and did them very well until the end when he was decieved by great move from Obi-Wan.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 11:50 AM
Well he lost focus and got cut down by a mere padawan :)

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 11:56 AM
Well he lost focus and got cut down by a mere padawan :)

As I say - a great move orchestrated by Obi-Wan by using the force. And I might add ... a mere Padawan who goes on to almost condemn Darth Vader to his death if not for Palpatine.

And let's just forget the fact that he struck down a terrific Jedi in Qui-Gon Jin!

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 11:58 AM
As I say - a great move orchestrated by Obi-Wan by using the force. And I might add ... a mere Padawan who goes on to almost condemn Darth Vader to his death if not for Palpatine.

yeah but at the time he fought maul he was just a mere padawan and maul was a Dark Lord Of The Sith.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 12:03 PM
yeah but at the time he fought maul he was just a mere padawan and maul was a Dark Lord Of The Sith.

You make Obi-Wan sound as if he was a Padawan with no potential nor skill. He was Padawan with a great mind and feel for the force even when he was a MERE Padawan. Qui-Gon stated that Obi-Wan was ready for the trials and should no longer be a Padawan learner.

The potential was always there with Obi-Wan and he was just waiting to pull off something spectacular which would make him a complete Jedi.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 12:06 PM
I never said he wasnt skilled *infact i think he couldve been the greatest jedi ever if he didnt have to go into hiding* But even the best Padawan shouldnt be able to take down a Dark Lord.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 12:14 PM
I never said he wasnt skilled *infact i think he couldve been the greatest jedi ever if he didnt have to go into hiding* But even the best Padawan shouldnt be able to take down a Dark Lord.

Yes, he may be classified as a Dark Lord of the Sith, but he was still a mere apprentice who was still learning. How lucky did Obi-Wan get in the final duel? Maul was a mentor still learning off Palpatine, how could Maul be definatly sure that Obi-Wan was going to grasp Qui-Gon's lightsaber whilst flying in mid-air? It takes a Sith with a great knowledge of the force to work that one out.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 12:21 PM
He still shoul've been prepared for the attack though the guy is basically a living weapon of palpatines from whats been said about him he seems to train every moment of the day surely he would've been prepared for a suprise attack.

But like i said his anger of the jedi clouded his focus making him open to such an attack.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 12:28 PM
He still shoul've been prepared for the attack though the guy is basically a living weapon of palpatines from whats been said about him he seems to train every moment of the day surely he would've been prepared for a suprise attack.

But like i said his anger of the jedi clouded his focus making him open to such an attack.

Maybe Maul underestimated Obi-Wan, I almost definatly think he did. As Obi-Wan was only a mere Padawan it would fool most. But yes you are right, a Dark Lord shouldn't advertise himself to be stuck down ... but at the end of the day he was a Sith still learning and craving the force. That's why I named the topic 'If Darth Maul lived...'. Say if Obi-Wan didn't get so lucky and he went spiriling down the black hole, would Maul have learned everything about the Jedi and every move they make and become a true Dark Lord? Palpatine was trained in the arts of the Jedi which he was passing onto Maul. A learning mentor can never be fully knowledgeable of the force which was proven in the final duel.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 12:35 PM
Either way Darth Maul was doomed to die from the very moment Palpatine chose him as his apprentice.

There was probably a great deal palpatine didnt tell maul to keep him from getting too powerful and as soon as he of no use palpatine would've stricken him down and taken a new apprentice.

In a way Mauls loyalty would've been his end, he served palpatine completly he knew nothing else but what palpatine told him he was essentially palpatines pet and would never have gone agaisnt him.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 12:41 PM
You have just proved my point!

'There was probably a great deal palpatine didnt tell maul to keep him from getting too powerful'

That's what I'm trying to get across. If he killed Obi-Wan and learned more about the force he would become very powerful within the Dark Side. I really do think he would rival Palpatine if he chose to be dishonest to his master. We'll be debating about this forever because we are never going to agree on this.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 12:45 PM
he would've become just as powerful as anyone who studies the darkside but i dont think he would've ever truly gain the power to rival Sidious.

arkodeon
03-16-2006, 12:46 PM
Maybe Maul underestimated Obi-Wan, I almost definatly think he did. As Obi-Wan was only a mere Padawan it would fool most. But yes you are right, a Dark Lord shouldn't advertise himself to be stuck down ... but at the end of the day he was a Sith still learning and craving the force. That's why I named the topic 'If Darth Maul lived...'. Say if Obi-Wan didn't get so lucky and he went spiriling down the black hole, would Maul have learned everything about the Jedi and every move they make and become a true Dark Lord? Palpatine was trained in the arts of the Jedi which he was passing onto Maul. A learning mentor can never be fully knowledgeable of the force which was proven in the final duel.

While I agree that Darth Maul was Super powerful, I really don't think Palpatine would have kept him around if he had survived. Why?

1) Would YOU believe that Darth Maul was the leader of the Separatists? Sorry, he doesn't seem like the whole "Take charge and lead" guy.

2) Maul could become so powerful he would kill Palpatine, as Palpatine killed his master.

One more note...Palpatine was never trained as a Jedi. He was trained in Sith forms of combat.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 12:49 PM
One more note...Palpatine was never trained as a Jedi. He was trained in Sith forms of combat.

I was gonna mention that but seeing as Sith teachings descend from the Jedi who left the order they do take some jedi teachings ie Lightsaber combat

arkodeon
03-16-2006, 12:52 PM
And to answer your other question..."Would Anakin be allowed to be trained?"

I think the Jedi Council made their decision before the death of Qui-Gon, so when they find out when they're on Naboo that both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are killed, then the Jedi would take him in.

Plus, I don't think Palpatine would allow Anakin to slip through the cracks. He would most surely kill Darth Maul if he was still alive over Anakin. Anakin is the Chosen One, after all.

arkodeon
03-16-2006, 12:56 PM
I was gonna mention that but seeing as Sith teachings descend from the Jedi who left the order they do take some jedi teachings ie Lightsaber combat

While the Sith teachings do originate from Jedi teachings, they are quite opposite.

The Sith harness their emotions, while the Jedi repress them.

Thus, they both have even different lightsaber combat forms. The Sith are more agressive, and their combat styles are not recognized as the main Forms of Lightsaber combat.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 01:02 PM
Oh yeah obviously the Sith and Jedi teachings are totally different

What i ment though is that it stems from Jedi teachings the Sith style of lightsaber combat are essentially very violent and modified forms of Jedi Styles

Anyway alot of the original Sith teachings are nothing to do with the jedi seeing as the original sith had never even seen a jedi till they showed up one day cast out of the Jedi order

Its mainly over time after the complete extinction *well this might not be true in light of things said in KOTOR2* when more Sith where just fallen Jedi did the more Jedi like styles seep into Sith teachings

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 01:02 PM
He would most surely kill Darth Maul if he was still alive
Would be an interesting duel if Darth Maul filled his potential and became very powerful within the dark side. I don't think it would be as easy, I think Palpatine would stumble upon Maul and effectively be killed.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 01:05 PM
Darth maul is nothing but a insect to the power Palpatine had even at his strongest Darth Maul would've had problems.

I mean did you see the speed he took down those Jedi masters?!?! and those guys are super tough!

i mean FFS even yoda could'nt beat palpatine christ im sure even Exar Kun would've had problems.

Commander Obi-Wan
03-16-2006, 01:07 PM
Why do people think Darth Maul is a "better Sith Lord" than Count Dooku?

I never said Maul was better than Dooku. Plus it was what I though. Also, Palpatine grew more powerful from the time of Darth Maul to when he ressurricted (spelling?) to the Dark Side. You never know, Darth Maul could have become more powerful.

Also you can't exactly compare Tyrannus to Maul. Different time. Darth Maul could have become more powerful.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 01:20 PM
Darth maul is nothing but a insect to the power Palpatine had even at his strongest Darth Maul would've had problems.

I mean did you see the speed he took down those Jedi masters?!?! and those guys are super tough!

i mean FFS even yoda could'nt beat palpatine christ im sure even Exar Kun would've had problems.

Don't get me wrong, everyone would have problems fighting Darth ****ing Sidious, but it doesn't mean he is undefeatable. Windu had him in his grasp until Anakin chopped off him arm. Sidious was running out of gas against Yoda - that's why he looked to the force to fend Yoda off. He has a lot of weaknesses that Maul could've exploited.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 01:33 PM
It just seems the basis of your arguement is if Darth maul was left to his own devices and knew everything about the darkside he would be the most powerful sithlord ever

When i could easily say well if Chief Chirpa *or anyone in the SW universe with force potential* was left to his own devices and knew everything about the darkside he would be the most powerful sithlord ever

Its excactly the same arguement and you really dont seem to be taking in the flaws of Darth maul at all.

like i said read Shadow Hunter it'll give you more insight into darth maul and why he is the way he is and why he wasnt that great a Sith lord.

He was simply a killer with very little knowledge of much else.

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 01:44 PM
I can't help thinking Darth_Terros that all your facts on Darth Maul have come from a wikipedia and not your own knowledge.

Just a theory.

Darth_Terros
03-16-2006, 01:51 PM
Infact all my facts on Darth Maul have come from TPM movie,TPM novel,the Darth Maul novel shadow hunter,the Darth Maul comics and the random stories seen in the tales comics

Darth Macca
03-16-2006, 01:53 PM
Infact all my facts on Darth Maul have come from TPM the Darth Maul novel shadow hunter the Darth Maul comics and the random stories seen in the tales comics

Fair enough.

Kurgan
03-16-2006, 02:33 PM
He did but do you think Dooku was the only man with pull in the Galaxy? Besides, Dooku doesn't know about the rule of two....

No evidence that he doesn't know it. We never see the Sith discuss the rule of two, only Yoda and Mace Windu discuss it (though I suppose Palpatine was within earshot at the time, heh).

Don't get me wrong, Dooku is a decent swordsman - but I don't agree that he is a match for Yoda in force power. In Episode II, Yoda calmly stops every obstacle thrown at him by Dooku with great ease. Dooku struggles to keep up with Yoda with the lightsaber so he flees. Yoda makes Dooku look very ordinary. I think Darth Maul (had he gained more power) would have become a great Sith Lord - a possible threat to Palpatine and Yoda. If he was given more time and learned the ways of the force more, he would have dispatched Count Dooku rather easily.

Yoda countered everything he threw at him, but even his counter attack didn't stop Dooku. One could argue perhaps that Yoda could have overpowered Dooku and chose not to, but why? He was serious about stopping Dooku, supposedly, so why hold back? Dooku's threatening the prone bodies of Anakin & Obi-Wan may speak of desperation in the fight, and it's the classic villian "cheater" thing to do, but still. Padme and a squad of clone troops were on the way and Dooku just wanted to escape. The Jedi had appealed to his pride and sucked him into a bunch of saber duels. Perhaps he just realized he's going to eventually get tired and captured? Who knows, but anyway, I still think it's fair to say that Dooku is a match for Yoda, all things considered. What we see in the film supercedes early script treatments that have Yoda beating Dooku and then about to kill him. Saying somebody is a "match for" somebody else is different than saying "they would beat them easily." It means the match could go either way since they are pretty much on the same level.

Dooku is Yoda's old Padawan, so they would know a bit about each other's styles and tricks. Yoda seemed a bit surprised by Dooku's lightning (not as surprised as he was by Palpatine's however), but anyway, see above.

PS: If any DM info comes from Tales check the issue numbers because the first 20 issues are non-canon.

rccar328
03-17-2006, 06:16 PM
I think it's kind of a tough question, beyond who could take whom in a fight. Palpatine could've used Maul & killed him, choosing Dooku as his apprentice, but as a force user & saberist, I think Dooku was superior to Maul. Maul was obviously skilled with his staff, but as was mentioned above, Dooku was trained by Yoda, the best saberist among the Jedi (according to conversations in the movies), and used force powers in his fights. Maul didn't really use force powers in his fights, so I think it's safe to say that Dooku was more powerful in the force.

Given that, Palpatine may have chosen to kill Dooku and keep Maul, knowing that he had less to fear from Maul, given the great Sith tradition of killing the master to userp power.

Either way, Palpatine was grooming Anakin to be his new apprentice, so it's pretty clear that Dooku and Maul would've been taken out to give Darth Vader his place at Sidious' side.

Point Man
03-19-2006, 08:08 PM
I don't believe Maul would have been able to take on Sidious. Maul may have been a great fighter (the actor who played him is obviously the best trained of all the saber duelists in the movies), but Sidious had more power in the Force. I do wish Maul hadn't died at the end of TPM, though, because I thought his character was fascinating. I did not like Dooku that much. He was just kinda boring.

snailboy
03-20-2006, 05:57 PM
If Christopher lee were here he'd backhand you. Then suck your blood. Then fix your teeth.

Commander Obi-Wan
03-20-2006, 06:36 PM
I don't believe Maul would have been able to take on Sidious. Maul may have been a great fighter (the actor who played him is obviously the best trained of all the saber duelists in the movies), but Sidious had more power in the Force. I do wish Maul hadn't died at the end of TPM, though, because I thought his character was fascinating. I did not like Dooku that much. He was just kinda boring.

lol...but then again, Palpatine gained more power as the movie and storyline progressed. Ans so could have Maul. But, meh. It didn't.

I do sorta wish Maul didn't die either. He was one of my favourite characters and as most people agree to. But, the storyline did fine without him....I think.

†Saint_Killa†
03-22-2006, 09:17 AM
If he was alive he would make the story even better. Though he was pretty quiet.

PS: He's the coolest zabrak ive seen. :maul:

St. Jimmy
04-16-2006, 07:02 AM
[QUOTE=Kurgan](We need not assume that to live Maul had to kill both Qui Gon AND Obi-Wan, perhaps he was forced to flee or something in our alternative scenario, though his "mission" was undoubtably to kill the Jedi and then the Queen if she failed to sign the treaty which by this time had little chance of happening).[QUOTE=Kurgan]

He would not have run from the Jedi he would have stayed and fought even if he knew he was going to die. He's way too loyal to run (plus he rocks all over the place)

St. Jimmy
04-16-2006, 07:22 AM
(the actor who played him is obviously the best trained of all the saber duelists in the movies), but Sidious had more power in the Force. I do wish Maul hadn't died at the end of TPM, though, because I thought his character was fascinating. I did not like Dooku that much. He was just kinda boring.

I fully agree with you there man, they are my thoughts exactly

St. Jimmy
04-16-2006, 07:26 AM
Sorry to tripple post but, Darth Maul is by far my fave Star Wars dude

Henz
04-16-2006, 07:19 PM
... He would have been killed by Count Dooku shortly after episode 1.

KyleOfHarpenden
04-17-2006, 12:17 PM
hmmm well Maul in my opinion wasnt strong in the force he never used it he only used it once to push obi-wan over thats it oh and and like 2 jumps, Palpatine's style is lightning and stabs to the chest his style most likely origionated from the old sith teachings. Anikan is a fallen jedi so never truly learnt the sith technikes and never really fell to the dark side, Exar Kun was powerful and strong but in the end was beaten, Darth Revan was stronger than exarkun(my opinion) but we dont know how revans story played out(YET) But Maul was an assain that's it he wasnt strong in the force all he did was kill

ExileRevan
06-15-2006, 09:31 PM
What I do beleive is, If Maul hadn't died Anakin wouldnt have been trained, he wouldve been sent back to Tatooeene or adopted on Naboo by Padme or otherwise, Maul wouldve never betrayed Sidious, he was a machine(figurtively). I beleive from there Mace and Yoda wouldve aproached Maul on Naboo and ultimately kill him. Thus if Obi-Wan had been killed no Darth Vader.

PoiuyWired
06-17-2006, 04:35 AM
Well, in one of the Star Wars Tales "Infinites" they have Maul fighting Vader... yes its silly but interesting at the same time.

Personally I think a clever Sith would have multiple Backup Plans. Even if Maul is around the plan would continue and CIS would still take place. Dooku would still be aligned with Palpy. Most likely Maul would have to duel it out with Dooku.

Palpy may also keep both, leaving the Apprentice seat empty deliberately to make the two work in competition.

On the side note... No one says a Sith can't break the rules and take more little Sith Lords... Its not like Plaggie would come back and give Palpy a nice spanking if he did. The "rule of the two" is just a good system to reduce the number of effective backstabbers.

Always, Always remember the sith code.

Lantzen
06-17-2006, 03:59 PM
Off topic:You mean this code

There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
I am the Heart of Darkness.
I know no fear,
But rather I instill it in my enemies.
I am the destroyer of worlds.
I know the power of the Dark Side.
I am the fire of hate.
All the Universe bows before me.
I pledge myself to the Darkness.
For I have found true life,
In the death of the light

Or the one from Kotor or some place else

On topic: If Anakin got trained by the jedis i think Sidious would take him as apprentice, knowing he is the choose one. And i also think that Sidious just should have killed Maul when he no longer was necessary, but when that would happend i have no idea

PoiuyWired
06-17-2006, 05:55 PM
the kotor series version:

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Peff
06-21-2006, 10:51 AM
IF Maul had killed Obi wan... Then Luke would never been trained, and the darkness would rule in the galaxy.. ^^ Maybe not. If Obi Wan would been killed by Maul, then Luke would never been born. It's true !

ExileRevan
06-25-2006, 11:47 AM
So if you think about it the whole, empire is Obi- Wans fault. lol

Darth_Terros
06-25-2006, 02:58 PM
Off topic:You mean this code

There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.
I am the Heart of Darkness.
I know no fear,
But rather I instill it in my enemies.
I am the destroyer of worlds.
I know the power of the Dark Side.
I am the fire of hate.
All the Universe bows before me.
I pledge myself to the Darkness.
For I have found true life,
In the death of the light



Never heard of that one before, you got a source?

ExileRevan
06-25-2006, 06:24 PM
http://ogrenci.hacettepe.edu.tr/~b0145446/ (http://)

That should be it. I love that code, like it much better than the KOTOR version.

Darth_Terros
06-26-2006, 12:37 PM
Sounds crap to be honest like really bad goth poetry infact the more i read it the more i think its truly awful.

so is there a canon source for this or is it just some dorks bad attempt at trying to be dark and evil *and kind of missing the point of the sith*

PoiuyWired
06-26-2006, 01:49 PM
The version I post comes from kotor series, and should one of the authentic ones. Note that it kinda responds to that dusty old Jedi codes, and responded to it.

Darth_Terros
06-26-2006, 02:04 PM
Yeah PoiuyWired version is THE sith code.

ExileRevan
06-26-2006, 06:16 PM
Sounds crap to be honest like really bad goth poetry infact the more i read it the more i think its truly awful.
*

lol, yeah it seems that way XD

Davinq
06-29-2006, 06:29 PM
Too much stuff to read, so I'll put in my two cents.

Darth Maul was a zabrak freak bred to destroy the Jedi Order by Darth Sidious ( supposedly). His assets to Palpatine were his insanely deadly abilities within the Dark Side.

Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku was a political idealist, whose purpose was to create a false enemy (The CIS) For which Palpatine could create military might, with the true intention of dominating the Republic and convoluting it into an Empire.

So in a way, each of these Sith Lords were important to Palpatine, and in the end, the ultimate Sith Lord is formed: Darth Vader.

Cheers

PoiuyWired
07-01-2006, 01:06 PM
Well, I won't say Vader is an "Ultimate" Sith Lord, for he is perhaps the most "flawed" creation of them all.

KyleOfHarpenden
07-01-2006, 02:57 PM
well to be fare if ur son came to fight you would you completely kill him? The consept and training of vader wherent flawed only the light in him, all he wanted to do is save the ones he loved but this drove him to insanity when he failed twice but he suceeded when he saved luke from palaptine(the lightnin show)

PoiuyWired
07-02-2006, 12:15 PM
Well, if he is Sith enough he would maybe try to just dispose of his enlarged spermling. Obviously the better thing would be ganking up on Palpy somewhat and take the seat for his own.

JoesGuy
07-16-2006, 06:12 AM
Why do people think Darth Maul is a "better Sith Lord" than Count Dooku? It's not as if Dooku can't fight, he clearly is a masterful swordsman and a match for Yoda in sheer force power. He only loses to Anakin when Anakin starts to use his anger (dark side) to win.

Don't forget that it was never Dooku's intention to kill Anakin, just lure him to the dark side. ;)

PoiuyWired
07-16-2006, 04:02 PM
But it is definitely Dooku's intention NOT to get killed. >.<

JoesGuy
07-17-2006, 05:18 AM
Perhaps he believed Sidious would take on two appretices.

St. Jimmy
07-17-2006, 07:11 AM
Not sure about that. He's a pretty cluey guy He generally knows what's going on. but then, he did get scissored...

Pho3nix
07-17-2006, 07:50 AM
Old Palpy would have to rethink his plan I guess.

itchythesamurai
07-17-2006, 09:13 AM
I think if Maul stayed as Sidious's apprentice, Palpatine would still try get Anakin in his good graces and turn him to the dark side, and eventually test Anakin (or make him earn his place as apprentice) by defeating Darth Maul.

PoiuyWired
07-17-2006, 05:15 PM
No Kidding.

Though I think it might be a harder fight. Then again Dooku is already a great saber duelist.