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Lord Pickle
04-23-2006, 05:57 AM
Ok.

We know that Bastila is alive and that the exile is alive and that Bao-Dur, the Disciple, Mira, Brianna, and Atton are the lost Jedi to be trained by the exile. However what happened to Jolee Bindo and Jauhani? Did they die at the hands of the assassins to? I was pretty bumbed thinking about that the first time I played TSL and heard about the exile being the last of the Jedi.

Meatbag
04-23-2006, 06:09 AM
The Exile was not the last, that was a rumour. What happened to Jolee and Juhani is unkown.

Reclaimer
04-23-2006, 02:58 PM
There are questions on if Jolee and Juhani were on Visas's homeworld when it was destroyed by Darth Nihilus.

Lord Pickle
04-23-2006, 03:17 PM
There are questions on if Jolee and Juhani were on Visas's homeworld when it was destroyed by Darth Nihilus.

I forgot about that one. I really hope they are still alive, well mostly I hope Jolee is alive I liked him. I was rather indifferent to Juhani.

The Doctor
04-23-2006, 03:31 PM
There are questions on if Jolee and Juhani were on Visas's homeworld when it was destroyed by Darth Nihilus.
Where? I'd like to see that... I assumed that Jolee returned to Kashyyyk.

Most of the Jedi are dead. Hunted by Sion and Nihilus. But there are some (most likely around a hundred, at most) that have survived, and gone in to hiding until the threat of these 'true Sith' is dealt with.

JediMaster12
04-24-2006, 05:50 PM
Right on Doc. Vrook is the one that states it plainly that the other Jedi are scattered and in hiding until the threat reveals itself. Still i would like to know what happened to Jolee because well, I just like his character alot and he seems to get it right.

Melly
04-24-2006, 06:29 PM
I think they didn't mention Juhani (LS or DS) because 1) you can kill her in the grove and 2) you can kill both Jolee and Juhani if you go DS at the temple.

It kinda of annoys me though, because I always like both of them and wanted to see them if I set Revan to LS.

GrayJedi
04-26-2006, 09:50 AM
If the LS ending is correct. The Katarr meeeting was for all jedi affiliated with the Order and I speculate that Jolee might be alive because he stated he was fed up with Order and left for good (entire Nayama incident), so chances are he didn't return to the Order at the end of KOTOR, he might have kept his Gray Jedi ways like me :p

Juhani on the other hand was affiliated with the Order so she might have been on Katarr.

Who knows we will have to wait and see.

Jason Skywalker
04-26-2006, 09:54 AM
I think Jolee switched his lightsaber off after the defeat of Malak.

shinyjedi
04-27-2006, 03:35 AM
I think Kreia answered it best when she tells Exile that whoever has survived is either in hiding or has given up the order. Jolee almost certainly falls into the latter catagory. Juhani? Dead, turned, or left the order, all could work for her.
As for Kataar, I don't believe "all" the jedi were meant to be at the meeting, although the majority of the masters, at least from Dantooine certainly were. I mean, if ALL of them were supposed to be there, Vrook would have met his end with the rest and I wouldn't have to have dealt with his arrogant condescension (which more nearly caused my fall to the dark side than any other event in the game)

Non-false Jedi
04-27-2006, 04:03 PM
i think it was mentioned somewhere that after the destruction of the Star Forge (or the republic fleet) a large number of Jedi went into hiding, much like Jolee's initial exile.

Jasper_Kazai
04-27-2006, 04:08 PM
I think Jolee and Juhani weren't included because you are able to kill them, if you wanted to. If they were included, it'd feel like "you can play the game on the Dark side, but you're really supposed to be on the Light side!".

GrayJedi
04-30-2006, 07:32 AM
As for Kataar, I don't believe "all" the jedi were meant to be at the meeting, although the majority of the masters, at least from Dantooine certainly were. I mean, if ALL of them were supposed to be there, Vrook would have met his end with the rest and I wouldn't have to have dealt with his arrogant condescension

Good point, I forgot about that. :roleyess:

The Doctor
04-30-2006, 11:52 AM
I think Jolee and Juhani weren't included because you are able to kill them, if you wanted to. If they were included, it'd feel like "you can play the game on the Dark side, but you're really supposed to be on the Light side!".
But if you set Revan's allignment to LS in the convo with Atton on Peragus, that means that Jolee and Juhani survived no matter what. Therefore, their absence begs an explanation.

Henz
04-30-2006, 04:10 PM
But if you set Revan's allignment to LS in the convo with Atton on Peragus, that means that Jolee and Juhani survived no matter what. Therefore, their absence begs an explanation.

As they were i no way relevent to the plot of the second game it was obviously easier just not to mention them at all. Would be cool to see Jolee agai in no. 3 somehow tho.

tbl1
04-30-2006, 09:56 PM
I agree w/ The Doctor. Jolee probably returned to Kashyyk

playloud
04-30-2006, 10:07 PM
I think Jolee and Juhani weren't included because you are able to kill them, if you wanted to. If they were included, it'd feel like "you can play the game on the Dark side, but you're really supposed to be on the Light side!".
However, Bastila makes an appearance in TSL (if you chose LS at the beginning), and you can still kill her in KoTOR 1, even if you were LS.

The Doctor
04-30-2006, 11:59 PM
As they were i no way relevent to the plot of the second game it was obviously easier just not to mention them at all. Would be cool to see Jolee agai in no. 3 somehow tho.

The fact that they were in no way relevant is what begs the question: why?

Jaden Kenobi
05-01-2006, 11:10 AM
I doubt Jolee returned to Kashyyyk, afterall he did say he got tired of kilometers of high trees and wanted to leave.
As for Juhani it could be both ways, either you killed her at the Grove (LS or DS) or you killed her at the Unknow Regions(DS) or she could have just left Revan and the other.

Im just wondering something Carth and Bastilla apper in TSL but do I actually get to see and speak with them? And Revan too? (LS)

TSR
05-02-2006, 07:20 AM
As far as i know, you get to speak to a sort of hologram of Revan in the Korriban caves. When you see bastilla, she's a mute, and carths one of the admirals looking for you. The one you get the most interaction with is Revan, but again, i suppose it doesnt count cos he/she's just a hologram.

ch0g0nda
05-02-2006, 07:31 AM
The Revan you find in the cave isn't really a hologram. More a manifestation of the demons the Exile carries within himself; much like the 'Vader,' That Luke, faced on Dagobah in ep.V.

Carth isn't Jedi and as such not relevant. (Might as well bring up Canderous while your at it)

As for Bastilla, she isn't a mute. If you're LS, her and Carth have a conversation with each other on the Telos space station in one of the apartments.

shinyjedi
05-02-2006, 02:27 PM
If you set Revan as LS Female, you have a conversation with Carth when you go back to Citadel station to fight Nihilous. This in addition to viewing the hologram. Oddly, Exile doesn't seem to make the connection, no matter how high the awareness stat is.

Jasper_Kazai
05-02-2006, 03:29 PM
I haven't played KotOR II past Peragus, so... Can't you fight Malak and Revan in TSL? I read some of my friend's TSL strategy guide and talked to my friend and he said you could.

JediMaster12
05-02-2006, 03:46 PM
Well with Revan you fight him in the hidden tomb quest on Korriban. You revisit the moments of your past. Malak you don't see but there is some reference to him along the way. Talk to Kreia and the NPCs

Jasper_Kazai
05-02-2006, 04:00 PM
I really need to get TSL now... I hadn't before because I still hadn't beaten KotOR I...

PoiuyWired
05-02-2006, 04:10 PM
Well with Revan you fight him in the hidden tomb quest on Korriban. You revisit the moments of your past. Malak you don't see but there is some reference to him along the way. Talk to Kreia and the NPCs

Its all a Vision baby, just a Vision, Just like Maleie Steeljaw.

The Doctor
05-02-2006, 05:28 PM
I doubt Jolee returned to Kashyyyk, afterall he did say he got tired of kilometers of high trees and wanted to leave.
As for Juhani it could be both ways, either you killed her at the Grove (LS or DS) or you killed her at the Unknow Regions(DS) or she could have just left Revan and the other.
Each allignment has it's own canon. The DS canon is that Revan killed Juhani (it's not specified whether it was in the grove or on Rakata Prime), and Revan proceeded his war on the Republic after defeating Malak.
The LS canon states that Revan redeemed Juhani in the grove on Dantooine, and she acompanied him until the end of the game, and was alive and well during the celebration ceremony after the destruction of the Star Forge.


Im just wondering something Carth and Bastilla apper in TSL but do I actually get to see and speak with them? And Revan too? (LS)
You never get to speak with Bastila. You speak to Carth, and after that conversation is over, there is a cutscene featuring Carth talking to Bastila. Revan is never seen.

Well with Revan
you fight him in the hidden tomb quest on Korriban. You revisit the moments of your past. Malak you don't see but there is some reference to him along the way. Talk to Kreia and the NPCs
You do see Malak. He's the first thing you see, actually ;)

ch0g0nda
05-02-2006, 10:51 PM
^damn, you beat me to it :(

You see Malak as soon as you walk into Ludo Kresh's tomb on Korriban. He doesn't have his metal jaw-thingy yet, but it's Malak.

Ben_Walker
05-02-2006, 11:45 PM
The Doctor and ch0g0nda(I type that it right?) are right, that was Malak during the Mandalorian Wars, before he lost his mouth/jaw. Back onto the subject of Juhanni and Jolee, I'll agree with what alignment you make Reven, Dark he killed them, Light they're alive... maybe. I agree that Jolee wasn't on Katarr for the meeting (recalling his conversation with Bastila, and him being just another non-Jedi, with a lightsaber, and Force powers...) though Juhanni might have been, then again not all the Jedi were there. They could always have been killed by the Sith Assassins or turned. Juhanni more likely than Jolee for the latter. Guess we'll find out in KOTOR3.