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playloud
05-04-2006, 10:56 PM
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060503.html

Commander Obi-Wan
05-04-2006, 11:30 PM
Yeahm certainly is cool. though, I won't get them just 'cause I've never seen the original trilogy. And I like the newer versions. :)

Darth Andrew
05-04-2006, 11:54 PM
You're obviously a Trekkie then. :p I haven't seen any of the Special DVD editions, though from what I've heard, some of the changes are drastic, especially 'Han shot first'. :( So I prefer the orignals, though I might get this package anyway.

MachineCult
05-05-2006, 05:31 AM
I never saw all of the originals and I never really want to, I guess technically they aren't canon. One thing I really hate is the song at the end of ROTJ, that is one special edition change that no-one can question. I mean the Ewoks singing? I thought it had turned into an episode of the f***ing Muppet Show.

Andy, Han doesn't shoot first they both shoot almost at the same time Greedo a very very short time before Han. (How can Greedo shoot when he's dead?)

I haven't seen any of the Special DVD editions...
Is the only ending you've seen the one with the stupid ewok song then?

Kurgan
05-05-2006, 08:05 AM
MachineCult, bitter are we? Sounds like somebody's upset that the fans of Star Wars for 20 years before the Special Editions existed finally get to see the movies that put Lucas on the map on DVD, reversing all his excuses of the past 9 years.

Don't get upset, you can still buy yet another copy of your revamped 2004 editions with this new set that's coming out in September.

Anyway, it's about time. ;)

Lucas will be redeemed in the eyes of the fans...

"They no longer exist for me." Heh, the lure of more money won out. Oh well, whatever it takes... I'll be singing the Ewok song along with everyone else!

playloud
05-05-2006, 04:20 PM
With the exception of the Han/Greedo scene, I prefer the 2004 DVD editions. I am sure there will still be people who are upset over the upcoming release, as the original cut will only have a Dolby 2.0 mix. I am sure there will still be a group of people who want to pick and choose which Star Wars they have, and will still think George Lucas is the Devil for not releasing the version that THEY want.

Personally, I am happy that he is releasing the original, and I will buy it. I still prefer the 2004 editions, but it will be fun to compare the original to the newest release.

If I had my choice, I would want the 2004 edition, with the original Han/Greedo scene, and have the lightsabers redone to look like Prequel (specifically AoTC/RoTS) sabers. Don't ask me why such little things really make a difference, for I have no good answer. If George Lucas would not have set a precedent for changing movies once they are done, I probably wouldn't even think about such things.

Commander Obi-Wan
05-05-2006, 06:24 PM
You're obviously a Trekkie then. :p

Me? I'm quite the opposite...I hate Star Trek.

I like the changes the way they are because I am so used to them.

Kurgan
05-06-2006, 05:16 AM
Even if the 2004 Editions were not so shodilly handled with the sound and colors, I'd still prefer the originals in many ways, not just Greedo. I don't care what planet you're from, "Jedi Rocks" is much stinkier than "Lapti Nek" and while the "new ending" to ROTJ is kind of a nice wrap up to the saga, it's a bit distracting from the celebration of ROTJ itself (and the Ewok dancing is a bit out of place with the new music). Plus I have nostalgia for the original ending (and no gungans yelling "wesa free!" argh, Lucas had to rub Jar Jar in our faces one last time, didn't he?).

And Ghost Hayden? What an insult!

Let's not forget the censored Imperial officer killshots in ANH (though the redone TIE/X-Wing dogfighting was cool with the CG I agree) and the badly delivered lines of Ian McDiarmond as the stoned looking Emperor hologram in ESB, and the unnecessary redubbing of Boba Fett to make him less scary as the henchman.

Oola's last scream is cool, but did we need to see Fett flirting with the dancers? Or those super cartoonish new creatures in Jabba's court? How about the slapstick in Mos Eisley? (arggh.. forshadowing of Mos Espa in TPM!)

Luke screams as he falls (Emperor's scream ripped from ROTJ) then he doesn't (good).

Obi-Wan's new "Kraytr Dragon Yell" doesn't sound as scary now. I know it was originally just a modified Dewback growl but still. That would have made perfect sense, since a Dewback would have likely meant to the sandpeople "STORMTROOPERS!" and they would run away scared, since the Kraytr dragon deal is never identified as such in the movie itself (even if that was the original intention).

Plus I miss the original lines ("You were lucky you don't taste very good!" Luke to R2D2 after being spit out by the monster... Han to Lando: "Trust me." when he shoots the tentacle of the Sarlacc).

New CG Jabba is better than old CG Jabba, but the scene was just poorly handled. Same dialouge as with Greedo, stepping on Jabba's tail (doh, more slapstick!), and Fett mugging for the camera. ;P

And those giant "rings" in the Death Star/Alderaan explosions. At first I thought they were cool (even though they were a blatant ripoff of the Praxis Explosion in Star Trek 6, and the nuclear blast in space in Stargate), now I am sick of them. Plus the 2004 set really screwed up the Death Star blast (you can see the blue screen artifacting and all the color is sucked out of it).

While the new sequence in ESB trying to "build tension" to rescue Luke isn't bad I don't think, I do prefer Vader's old line delivery for "Bring my shuttle" where he sounds pissed, rather than a more business like "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival" (unused line from original Star Wars), and then showing us an unused shot from ROTJ of Vader on the DEATH STAR (rather than his star destroyer... yep, that's Jererrod greeting him with his voice muted out!)... oops.

I liked Biggs, but I wanted to see MORE of him. And why insert a guy walking past to cut off part of Red Leader's speech? I wanted to hear about him knowing Luke's father! But I guess since Lucas decided he didn't want to write that character into the prequels, he just nixed the whole thing.

They looked really cool in the theater I guess I should say (and sounded cool with the shockwave whoosing past you in your seat), but now they just look silly on the small screen, and I'd like to have the old explosions back.

There were just so many unnecessary changes (though the rest I could live with), while they ignored stuff that ought to have been fixed (like the inaccurate Death Star schematics in ANH, or the uncolored saber blades, garbage mattes around ships, etc). I could have lived with the changes if the originals had been available as an alternative. At least that's finally possible now...

I liked the cleaned up video on the 2004 editions, but the bad color timing in numerous scenes, and the audio gaffes were quite annoying and detracted from the experience. The general lack of special features related to the movies was also disappointing (barring Empire of Dreams of course, though it mostly focused on the original Star Wars, not the other two movies, oddly). No deleted scenes, no additional commentaries (Ben Burtt is an awesomely talented sound man, but I'd like to hear somebody besides him for key scenes!).

This is really what they should have done with the first box set.. give us the originals and the new revamped versions side by side.

It's too bad it'll be a "limited release" so I guess I'll have to take advantage, until the next ploy to get me to buy Star Wars again (this is only the third time I'd be buying an official Star Wars trilogy set, total, including VHS releases).

Henz
05-07-2006, 03:58 PM
Should have been released before in the same way the Alien Qudrilogy was. Original and special edition. And yes, fixed up lightsabers would have been nice.

eastcoast2895
05-07-2006, 05:08 PM
I just want to make sure i'm reading this part right
In response to overwhelming demand, Lucasfilm Ltd. and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment will release attractively priced individual two-disc releases of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Each release includes the 2004 digitally remastered version of the movie and, as bonus material, the theatrical edition of the film. That means you'll be able to enjoy Star Wars as it first appeared in 1977, Empire in 1980, and Jedi in 1983.
does this mean the disc being released this fall will have both the 2004 edition and the original on it? meaning if i want both versions on dvd i just have to get the fall release?

Bill-Ba D'Kota
05-08-2006, 06:26 AM
That's the way it souds :D

I will buy the new release because it will be nice to see the originals again. Last time I saw those was a long time ago... :P However, my pick is the revised version, with the exception with throwing Hayden in the end of RotJ. That was pathetic imo. The revised version rocks compared to the original, imo. I still can't figure out how a bounty hunter can shoot first from across a table and still miss by a good couple feet :rolleyes:

Kurgan
05-08-2006, 06:41 PM
So from what I gather...

They aren't doing any new fixes to the 2004 Editions for this set.

We're getting three packs, priced at $30 each.
A Star Wars pack, an Empire Strikes Back pack, and a Return of the Jedi pack.
Each is two discs. Disc 1=2004 version (just as was previously released twice), Disc 2=1993 "theatrical" edition

I don't think it will literally be the "theatrical versions" because the 1993 editions could refer to those released on the home market, that is, with a different sound mix, and the original Star Wars would have the modified (1981) opening crawl "Episode IV: A New Hope."

Originally in the SW.com news update they made reference to the version of Star Wars BEFORE the opening crawl ws modified, but then quickly deleted that line, so they must have gotten false information.

But yeah, when you buy these packs, you'll be forced to get the 2004 version, which is exactly the same as the version that was released in 2004 (4 disc set) and in 2005 (3 disc set). No "Bonus Disc" with Empire of Dreams this time (that was only in the 4 disc set).

I agree with you that this is what they SHOULD have done in the first place, back in 2004. Rather, I think they should have delayed the 2004 set and released this that they're going to release in September, for the 2005 set. Make it a 7 disc set, leave out the Episode III junk and Battlefront II junk, which would leave room for Deleted Scenes, fix the bad color timing and sound gaffes, and that would be the "ultimate" Star Wars DVD set. Sadly, that's just wishful thinking. I'm not in charge over at the Ranch, so this is what we got.

At least another set means another opportunity for fans to make their own edits if they like. The Deleted Scenes remain in low quality format on the 'net and on the out of print "Behind the Magic" CD-ROM (though a few can be seen on the trailers on the Bonus Disc). :(

Prime
05-10-2006, 02:02 PM
"They no longer exist for me." Heh, the lure of more money won out. Oh well, whatever it takes... I'll be singing the Ewok song along with everyone else!Or possibly he felt that since there was such a demand, he decided to release them to please the fans.

But that can't be, because Lucas has to be evil incarnate. :)

Kurgan
05-11-2006, 01:50 AM
It's probably both. But clearly he's compromised his "principles" by doing this. In any case, I'm glad!

My insinuation that he's just doing this for money comes from the fact that he's releasing them as seperate bundles and packing in the 2004 Editions (for the third release of that set in a row).

eastcoast2895
05-11-2006, 11:54 PM
you could argue that the inclusion of the 2004 editions is his way of forcing fans to have a copy of the versions he considers "true" and that he is releasing the OT because of the request of fans.
but to quote a wise philospher
"Cash Money" - Randy Moss

Astrotoy7
05-24-2006, 12:16 AM
why anyone wants to pay their hard earned for an oldschool laserdisc transfer is beyond me. It isnt even in anamorphic !! lolz. I could post screenies to show you the ugliness of such a thing, but i wont. On todays large displays, especially LCD screens(like my 27 and 45") it would look HORRIBLE!

Still, as long as it stops the O-OT whiners, its a plus :)

mtfbwya

MachineCult
05-24-2006, 09:01 AM
Amen, Astrotoy. Well said.

Kurgan
05-24-2006, 09:06 AM
It wouldn't look that bad, I've seen what they look like on big widescreen HD plasma display and 19 in LCD display (non widescreen). No worse than brand new VHS tape anyway.

If you have your face pasted up close to the display and are comparing it to the 2004 editions, yes it'll look far from perfect. But just to watch? Not bad at all.

Still, as long as it stops the O-OT whiners, its a plus

Aw hells no. Lucas secretly enjoys the whining, so he'll never give it 100%, always leaving room for some whining.

- No anamorphic/no restoration (not even a competent one)
- Only DD 2.0 stereo (no mono mix, no 6 channel pcm)
- No extras (deleted scenes for example)
- Limited time release (and never again? or just to release them again in a few years for another dip)
- Bad covers (why not theatrical covers? though fans can print their own)
- Have to buy 2004 editions with it (in three seperate packs)

Ya gotta keep poking and prodding Lucas... he says he wants to be done with Star Wars... does he honestly think one more half a$$ed release will "end all interest" in it?
It's a fan loyalty test, that's it! Dangle another carrot... ;)

Prime
05-24-2006, 11:50 AM
Aw hells no. Lucas secretly enjoys the whining, so he'll never give it 100%, always leaving room for some whining.Yeah, that pimp likes beating around all his whiny bitches. :D

Darth_Terros
05-24-2006, 11:58 AM
Im gonna buy the ROTJ disc just after the second death star blows up i can change dvd and see the ending how it should've stayed with the awesome Ewok song!!!

Steve-O Kreesh
05-25-2006, 08:56 AM
I myself remember watching the original cut of the OT as a kid and I loved them. (And I am old enough to remember seeing ROTJ in the theater in '83. :) )

I have no problem with the 2004 versions or the original cut versions, I like both. Will I buy these new editions? Yeah, probably. I'm a starwars fan and I will sell my soul to George by giving him more money for yet another edition of these three films. :D

(This will be the fifth version the OT I will own. Yikes!)

urluckyday
06-04-2006, 01:17 PM
Yep...we made GL mad enough that he just finally said: "OMG if I give you what you want then will you shut up?" Congrats...

ExileRevan
06-15-2006, 09:20 PM
I've heard, some of the changes are drastic, especially 'Han shot first'. :( So I prefer the orignals, though I might get this package anyway.


Thank GOD! Even such a little thing anoyed the crap outa me! Han fireing first defines his scoundrel character. I'm very happy about the originals comming to DVD, buying them on pre-order.

The Source
06-25-2006, 03:44 PM
I never saw all of the originals and I never really want to, I guess technically they aren't canon. One thing I really hate is the song at the end of ROTJ, that is one special edition change that no-one can question. I mean the Ewoks singing? I thought it had turned into an episode of the f***ing Muppet Show.

Wow. You must be a youngling. When did they loose their place as canon. Did something occur, which I did not know about?

I liked the end of the original version of ROTJ. Yeah, the change probally needed to happen, but I grew up with that weird ending. Hehehe...

I wonder what Yoda would say. You made fun of the Muppet Show. I grew up with that show as well. Yoda (Frank Oz) the second voice to Kermit the Frog. I personally prefer the Muppet of Yoda over the digital.

I welcome the 1977 version. Plus, I consider Star Wars: A New Hope as Episode I. Hehehehe...

I have to go and call Yoda. Hehehe... I think he would like to hear what you said. F.Y.I. - My avatar was directly taken from my ESB DVD.

Puppet Yoda live forever. :)

----Edit----
Come to think of it. I don't believe I am going to buy the 1977 version. Since it will be bundled with the ones I allready have, I think it would be a little waste of money. Too bad he didn't release the 1977 version first. I would not have bought the special edditions. Bummer.

MachineCult
06-25-2006, 04:12 PM
Wow. You must be a youngling. When did they loose their place as canon. Did something occur, which I did not know about?
Canonically, Ewoks don't sing, the Death Stars tractor beam controls aren't written in english and Anakins force ghost is him at the age of 21.
and, I grew up loving the originals, I was 12 when episode 1 came out, and when the OT DVDs came out, I loved those changes, they make all the films fit as a series.

I wonder what Yoda would say. You made fun of the Muppet Show. I grew up with that show as well. Yoda (Frank Oz) the second voice to Kermit the Frog. I personally prefer the Muppet of Yoda over the digital.

I have to go and call Yoda. Hehehe... I think he would like to hear what you said. F.Y.I. - My avatar was directly taken from my ESB DVD.

Puppet Yoda live forever. :)
Wow, okay... I didn't even mention Yoda, so I don't know where that came from.

The Source
06-25-2006, 04:25 PM
Canonically, Ewoks don't sing, the Death Stars tractor beam controls aren't written in english and Anakins force ghost is him at the age of 21.
and, I grew up loving the originals, I was 12 when episode 1 came out, and when the OT DVDs came out, I loved those changes, they make all the films fit as a series.


Wow, okay... I didn't even mention Yoda, so I don't know where that came from.
You mentioned Muppet Show. Yoda is a puppet, and Frank Oz did the voice for Kermit the Frog on the Muppet Show.

I was 12 when episode 1 came out.


Birthday:
August 25, 1987


Yeah. You are young. I was 3 when Episode IV hit the big screen. My first rememberable movie was 'Empire Strikes Back', but my parents did bring me to the theater to see Star Wars: A New Hope. When 'The Phantom Menace' hit the theater I was 23. That could explain why you are more open minded to the changes. Hehehe... Thats is oky. Everything will be fine. Hehehe... You just built a different perspective than your elders. Hehehe...

Kurgan
06-26-2006, 01:58 AM
*Sigh* kids these days... (just kidding Machinecult, but it does explain a lot!). ;)

MachineCult
06-26-2006, 05:58 AM
Kurgan I demand that my personal information is deleted from his post.

I was about 7 or 8 when the OT special edition hit the big screen, so my age doesn't really have anything to do with it, I "grew up with the original trilogy" and everything, but not being a nostalgic old man "Star Wars wasn't like that in my day", I liked the PT, and I liked the OT DVD, because these movies are meant to be a series, going from I to VI, and from now on that is how kids are going to watch them.

The Source
06-26-2006, 08:43 AM
I am going to carbon-date myself, but oh well... Did anyone ever get Star Wars: The Original cut on records. They had a version on record, which the listener would read along. Ignore the fact that I linked a blog site, for I am only trying to show you the pictures.

Star Wars : A New Hope : Read Along
http://checkthecoolwax.blogspot.com/2006/02/star-wars-new-hope-read-along.html

Star Wars : Empire Strikes Back : Read Along
http://checkthecoolwax.blogspot.com/2006/02/star-wars-empire-strikes-back-read.html

Star Wars : Return Of The Jedi : Read Along
http://checkthecoolwax.blogspot.com/2006/02/star-wars-return-of-jedi-read-along.html

Nostelgic... All the way... Hehehe...

The days when Han shot first, and Boba Fett was cold and ruthless. The days when the Ewoks danced and sang, and Sabastian Shaw was the force ghosts at the end of ROTJ. Hehehe...

MachineCult
06-26-2006, 09:01 AM
lol, that "Hehehe..." you keep doing is really creepy, nostalgia aside, how is Shaw better as the force ghost than Anakin? I just don't get it.

RellikRats
06-26-2006, 12:55 PM
Wasn't there another record, one that had the actual movie track, not the music, but a lot of the acting and such along with a set of pictures?

Oh, and why is Shaw better than Christiansen? He ain't. Putting Hayden in makes the entire saga more consistent. Not to mention that Shaw looked like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man :lol:

Kurgan
06-26-2006, 01:13 PM
Ah Star Wars is all about nostalgia. These whipper snappers nowadays don't understand it like you and me!

;)

I was 5 when ROTJ first came out in theaters, and I was thrilled to see it. I saw the re-release of A New Hope (yes, it was "A New Hope" by then) as well, but I never saw ESB in theaters until the SE's in 1997.

Anyway, I can understand if you weren't alive in 1985 (the last time ROTJ was re-released, '86 for Bulgaria; ANH was last shown in '82, though '86 in Spain; ESB in '82, '83 in Australia) if you don't have special feelings for these films how they were before Lucas started changing things around drastically. Just don't deny us our dreams and fan fulfillment. ;)

Seriously though, who's the more nerdy or geeky, the people who whined for the originals from 1997 to 2006, (and are now getting them thanks in large part to their whining) or the folks who gloated about the SE's being better and now are pissed off that the originals are finally officially seeing the light of day on DVD?

RellikRats
06-26-2006, 01:51 PM
I don't think I've seen anyone who prefers the SE get "pissed off" about the OOT coming out. I'm kind of glad they are, personally, even though I prefer the SE, because I'm geeky enough to play them side by side and pick out the changes :nut:

And I'm old enough to remember seeing Star Wars opening weekend in 77, let alone '85, and I do have a special place in my heart for the OOT, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate (or prefer, as the case may be) some the changes made for the sake of continuity or, for example, cleaning up the rather cheesy (in hindsight) explosion of DS1 :lol:

OTOH, Han did shoot first. I saw him. I was there.

The Source
06-26-2006, 07:03 PM
Ah Star Wars is all about nostalgia. These whipper snappers nowadays don't understand it like you and me!

;)

I was 5 when ROTJ first came out in theaters, and I was thrilled to see it. I saw the re-release of A New Hope (yes, it was "A New Hope" by then) as well, but I never saw ESB in theaters until the SE's in 1997.

Anyway, I can understand if you weren't alive in 1985 (the last time ROTJ was re-released, '86 for Bulgaria; ANH was last shown in '82, though '86 in Spain; ESB in '82, '83 in Australia) if you don't have special feelings for these films how they were before Lucas started changing things around drastically. Just don't deny us our dreams and fan fulfillment. ;)

Seriously though, who's the more nerdy or geeky, the people who whined for the originals from 1997 to 2006, (and are now getting them thanks in large part to their whining) or the folks who gloated about the SE's being better and now are pissed off that the originals are finally officially seeing the light of day on DVD?

I give George credit for releasing that extra features dvd. The vintage tv/movie trailers are so primitive that they look cool. ESB's vintage trailers are so legendary. From the watching the extra-long-long documentary, George said he created them without even starting the film. :)

The folks who gloated about the SE's being better are more nerdy. Hehehe...

Whinning about not getting the 1977 release is more like preserving antiquity. Hehehe... (I threw the last 'Hehehe...' to freak MachineCult out.) :)

Great Scott!
08-10-2006, 10:43 PM
I hate people who say the special/DVD editions ruined the movies, not only do I like a lot of the changes, but I really think the better quality makes up for the changes to those who don't (seriously, watch an older version of A New Hope... bleh). But I would like to see the first versions anyway, like my parents, so I like it.

Have you people heard of those idiots at originaltrilogy.com who are actually whining because even though they're getting the original versions they begged for, they're mad because they didn't get them in some stupid certain format? People like these are such spoiled nerds... seriously...

playloud
08-11-2006, 02:37 AM
They have been wanting the originals on DVD for a long time, and now that they finally are getting it, they found out that will likely be from an old Laserdisc master, as opposed to a 35mm film master. As such, the release would not be anamorphic (which is very limiting for people who have HDTV TVs, or TVs that have a verticle squeeze mode. They want a pristine anamorphic version of the originals. No more, no less. I can't say that I blame them. The 2004 DVD transfers were anamorphic, and one would expect the same for the originals.

I don't mind the special editions (some of it I like, some I don't). I will buy the originals, just so I can compare them with the current versions, and any future releases.

Commander Obi-Wan
09-08-2006, 07:29 PM
Well, at Best Buy, you can buy the DVDs in a collector's tin. According to them, it's a "Best Buy exclusive". Though, it's an extra $10. >_>

Commander Obi-Wan
09-09-2006, 12:25 AM
As far as I know, the tins come with the tin. If I bought it, it would cost nearly $90 for me (tax included).

Also, I noticed in another flyer, Future Shop, they are also offering a deal. I think it comes with a holo cover. And Zeller's is offering HBC points. Though, some of this maybe just in Canada.

Yeah, so it looks like most retailers are offering deals when you purchase them.

I ,for one, am planning to purchase them. (I know I have changed my mind) And also going to finally get the Prequels. Since, at Future Shop, all the Star Wars movies are on sale. :D

Kurgan
09-09-2006, 12:55 PM
I hate people who say the special/DVD editions ruined the movies, not only do I like a lot of the changes, but I really think the better quality makes up for the changes to those who don't (seriously, watch an older version of A New Hope... bleh). But I would like to see the first versions anyway, like my parents, so I like it.

Have you people heard of those idiots at originaltrilogy.com who are actually whining because even though they're getting the original versions they begged for, they're mad because they didn't get them in some stupid certain format? People like these are such spoiled nerds... seriously...

I hope you know, you just called me an idiot and a spoiled nerd.

Why do you hate me?



Seriously though, without all the whining, you wouldn't be getting these 1993 laser disc dumps.


What would you do, if your favorite movie, was released this year, without Dolby 5.1 (which is equivalent to how the movies were released in theaters in the six channel format), or anamorphic widescreen (which is STANDARD for theatrical movies released on DVD and has been for years), for a limited time only, and you had to buy some other movie at the same time just to get it?


Would you just dutifully buy it without comment? Other, lesser movies have gotten better treatments than Star Wars, on DVD format. Lowry Digital dropped the ball on the 2004 set (which was rushed out to promote a mediocre video game, Star Wars Battlefront), and now they've given us a substandard rip of the old movies, to promote the 2004 revisions (again) and LEGO Star Wars II (a sequel to a game based on a toy promoting Star Wars, which I'll admit isn't bad, but still!).

I like the 2004 set as well, but the restoration is ruined by the fact that the colors are wrong in so many scenes (the lightsabers are just ruined throughout the trilogy, as are the explosions, unless you really like pink and orange!), the sound is goofed up in A New Hope (but the French listeners get the proper music, for some reason). Then Fox has the gall to call these "deliberate creative decisions." How silly is that?

Let's face it, these "whining nerds" have a point. Their criticisms are valid. No need to be hatin'... ;)


And just to clarify something, the "nerds" (including myself) asked for the films as they were shown in theaters, not "as they were shown on home video in 1993." While we're getting a (re-created on a computer) original 1977 crawl for Star Wars (no "A New Hope") which is good, the rest just isn't up to snuff.

Anamorphic widescreen is not some obscure enhancement, it makes the movie closer to the theatrical presentation. Without this, on a widescreen display, you'll have to blow it up with the zoom feature (or else you have veritcal black bars on the sides of the screen). Blowing it up (your only option now, since it isn't anamorphic) loses you detail and creates extra grain/pixels. It's not as if the technology doesn't exist to make an anamorphic version of the Star Wars trilogy. Several fan editors have done it long before this set was even announced.

Dolby 2.0 is fine for simulating the original experience of the theater for most people. However, 5.1 comes closer to re-creating the theatrical experience for many others, because all of the films were released in select theaters with six channel sound. So for those people, they're being gipped. And in fact, if they were really after re-creating the theatrical experience, they'd give us the option of a MONO track for the original Star Wars (with the alternate sound stuff like the original voice of Aunt Beru before it was redubbed out of synch with her lips, some alternate dogfight/stormtrooper lines, etc) in addition to the 2.0 and 5.1 tracks.

We still have yet to find out which sound track they are using. Will it also be the circa 1993 soundtrack or the altered one from the THX "Faces" set? (with altered lines like Luke's comment to R2D2 after the swamp monster spits him out, or Han's line to Lando in the Sarlacc pit before he shoots the tentacle, or the line the Stormtroopers say as they are searching Mos Eisley buildings for the droids, etc)

I don't mind that Lucas tweaks his movies (as I've said a million times), I just think it feels petty for many of us that he'll at first refuse to release these, and then when he does, he seems to do so in such a grudging fashion, that he refuses to adhere to the most basic standards of quality that other DVD producers of far lesser works than Star Wars adhere to, much less to standards that he himself constantly aspires to.

This is better than nothing, but that doesn't mean we can't call a lemon a lemon.

*puts quarter into soap box donation slot*

Kurgan
09-09-2006, 01:04 PM
Btw, they should just sell an empty collector's tin for Star Wars. That way whatever set people own or choose to buy in the next five years, they can just insert it into the box. ;)

IF I get this se I'll look for the best deal possible. No plastic Yoda figurines or other trinkets, just the original movies.

Amazon.com offers the whole set for $53.61 (plus tax, but free shipping). That's far cheaper than ordering it from LucasArts/Film. Wal-Mart might sell them even cheaper (as they often do).

But buying them on the first day seems like a mistake. You'll have a full 80 days to purchase them, starting the 12th, if you really want to, and you know some will still be left over (if not to be sold in the bargain bin of stores, then on ebay surely).

Jeff
09-09-2006, 01:08 PM
Btw, they should just sell an empty collector's tin for Star Wars. That way whatever set people own or choose to buy in the next five years, they can just insert it into the box. ;)Now that's a good idea.

Kurgan
09-10-2006, 01:06 PM
That was some rant, Kurgan. Welcome to the rant club.:p

I was wondering what the difference between the Star Wars original theatrical releases and all of the VHS/Laserdisc releases trhough the 1995 VHS release (which I watched all the time)?
If it's basically just a clearer picture and the Episode IV A New Hope have been added then I wouldn't mind which version they put on DVD.

Well the original theatrical release lacked "Episode IV: A New Hope" and the crawl was arranged differently (and rebel was spelled lower case in the middle of a sentence, so it wasn't a "proper name" as it later became).

The crawl was adjusted in 1981 to more closely match ESB (so the words were also arranged to avoid putting one word on its own line).

You have to recall that the original Star Wars was re-released in theaters like five times before it finally came to home video (for purchase, the earliest release was rental only). The very first release was in mono. Later a stereo version was made and Aunt Beru's lines were redubbed by a different actress. The scene of Chewbacca growling at that mouse droid was removed. A few lines were switched around ("close the blast doors" was accidentally left out... right before "open the blast doors") and I think the line to Tarkin over the intercom while he's talking to Vader in the board room has an extra word and is by a different voice actor. The line from Threepio talking about how the tractor beam works is there and it isn't in some versions (I could be wrong, it may not have appeared until the home versions).

The Chewie growling at the mouse droid was added back either in the later theatrical re-releases or on the first home video releases, I can't remember, but it's been part of the movie for a long, long time, before the Special Editions.

Anyway, the 1995 re-release of the 1992 "Faces" (THX Enhanced Trilogy) is supposed to be "maximized visual and audio." It isn't truly a restoration, just good quality video tape and sharp picture. The sound HAS changed. The sound mix is different, and many of the lines change from how they were in theaters ("it's secure, move along to the next one"---->"door's locked, move along to the next one"; "don't worry... trust me"--->"don't worry, I can see a lot better"; "you're lucky you don't taste very good"--->"you were lucky to get out of there"). Not a big deal for many but to some folks those were their favorite lines and what they remember, so they miss 'em.

But other than the soundtrack, the visuals in the 1995 release are the same as previous widescreen letterbox releases. No CGI or deleted scenes were added or changed until the 1997 Special Editions.

There are several websites detailing the pre-1997 changes, and others detailing the 1997 changes (though most forget about the more subtle changes or the audio changes).

Actually the Official Site (StarWars.com) has put in a three part series of picture galleries about what has changed from the 1993 versions to the 2004 versions (although they leave out a lot of stuff, they mostly focus on subtle changes or some of the more obvious CG stuff, but very few of the gaffes and few of the sound changes, especially the more controversial ones).

Kurgan
09-10-2006, 06:01 PM
Ah I see, you're trying to have "all versions."

Frankly, I think you only need one official DVD set to watch, and the rest can be fan edits or whatever, but each to his own! (I suppose collecting VHS tapes might have its own appeal)

1980's - There was one set really, in full frame and possibly wide screen. There certainly was on LaserDisk anyway. "Star Wars" exists in this era on VHS only, with the original opening crawl (in full frame only), a former rental, so any surviving tapes will be in pretty worn condition by now.

(so that's three LD movies and 1 VHS tape)

1992-1995 - This was the "THX Enhanced" series, all that changed really was the sound tracks, with some alternate lines and slightly tweaked music. The visual picture is supposed to be sharper, but it's really not a restoration of any kind.

(3 LD movies)

1997-2001- The Special Editions, as seen in theaters. RotJ SE differs from what you saw in theaters only that they forgot to include somebody in the credits, and now that's fixed. These were shamelessly re-released numerous times with nothing new except replacing the "behind the scenes" fluff about making the SE's with talking head/bluescreen-on-the-set fluff promoting Episode I or II.

(three LD movies, I would consider it a waste to get the others just for the fluff specials, which can be downloaded off the 'net for free, or just for any difference in covers)

Every VHS release (except the original "non-ANH" rental only full frame Star Wars) had a LaserDisk equivalent, so those would be the best quality. There were also VCD's (horrible quality, worse than VHS, and usually full frame only, no extras), Betamax, that soundless incomplete reel, and some other obscure formats, but that's basically it.

Then you have the 2004 DVD's.
(the 2004 Set is identical to the 2005 Set, except it has the fourth bonus disc, which you can buy seperately now anyway.. the 2005 set just has a differnet cover).

It remains to be seen what exactly they are, but the "new" 2006 set is supposed to be taking its masters from 1993.

"Star Wars" looks to be the circa 1981 version, with a computer re-created opening crawl pasted in at the start. No idea if the soundtrack is the THX one from the 1990's with the alternate lines or (more probably) the 1980's home video version (it certainly won't be the original theatrical mono track, since it's Dolby 2.0 only).

Empire and Jedi will either be identical to the 1980's video versions or the 1990's THX versions (I'm betting on the latter personally, but that's just a hunch).

If one was optimistic, one could imagine that these were the "restorations" before the CG was added for the Special Editions in 1997 (the films were restored once back then, the old fashioned way, without all that digital grain removal and color screwing up, before they decided to start adding new stuff and changing things.. originally Lucas merely planned to re-release the movies in theaters to generate interest for the prequels, not to modify his movies), but most people have resigned themselves to the fact that these are probably just dumps of the LaserDisc versions from 1993 (meaning the same as the "Faces" THX set, with the exception of Star Wars being artificially "de-ANHized" to simulate the 1977 theatrical version).

So nine Laser Disc packages (actually each movie was typically two discs, since you had to flip them to get the whole movie) and one hard to find VHS tape, OR six DVD's (the 2006 set will be sold as three two disc packs, the 2004 set is just one boxed set).

If you're collecting movies, rather than packaging, the 2006 set is all you really need, and you can get fan edits for alternate soundtracks, or you'll be spending a fortune (remember you need an LD player if you want to watch the LD's, a VCR to play the VHS tapes, etc).

If you just want them on your shelf though, for collecting, best of luck! ;)

There are a lot of them. Lucas has always been re-releasing his movies. If not in theaters, then on whatever format is hot at the time...

Kurgan
09-11-2006, 06:22 PM
Well, I'm not interested in the prequel DVDs. I also have laserdisc rips(not sure which versions but I assume they're all the same cuts no matter which LD they are). Nor am I interested in VCDs because they'd be the same cuts as the others.
Anyway, these are the pics of the ones I do have:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/chasewindu01/a5_1.jpg
^1997 fullscreen Special Edition
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/chasewindu01/88_1.jpg
^1997 widescreen Special Edition
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/chasewindu01/5b_1.jpg
^top row - the only one I need is ESB from the 80s. Bottom row - I have this 1995 set but though it's not loose like this, I have the box set.

Do you think you could post the pics of the VHS versions I haven't posted that I need? It could help in my journey to complete my little collection.:)

Content wise, you've got them all (it seems to me). I'm not sure that you're missing any of the tapes (other than the ultra-rare former rental fullframe only "non-ANH" Star Wars tape). But try the collecting forum...

PS: Here is one I remember, but again, it's just a repackaging of the silver box you already posted.

http://zknight.fc2web.com/icon/dvd/trilogy.jpg (there was one just like it, but a white box, that was the pan 'n' scan version)
http://hanleia.fly-casual.org/action/video.jpg

There were also carboard sleeves that held each version of the trilogies IIRC too, but again, just a box to put the tapes in you already have.

Great Scott!
09-11-2006, 10:19 PM
Later a stereo version was made and Aunt Beru's lines were redubbed by a different actress.I've read about this, why exactly did they do this? Was their something wrong with the original's voice?

Oh, and by the way, although I don't agree with you Kurgan, you had a valid argument and I'm glad you presented it in a mature way as opposed to starting a flame war, and I think what I said was uncalled for, so I apologize.

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 03:08 PM
Well you "need" the pre-1992 versions (From the 80's) because the lines were changed in the THX Faces set (1992-1995).

There really were two widescreen versions of the trilogy before the special editions in 1997. And a fourth version of the original Star Wars, which was a full frame rental only that had the original crawl.

Visually, all the pre-1997 editions are the same (except for the obvious widescreen/full frame distinction), with the exception of the ultra rare, full frame only ex-rental Star Wars with the original crawl (no "Episode IV: ANH").

The 1997 Special Edition was only ever officially released on VHS and LD (well and VCD).. never DVD. The 2004/2005/2006 (disc1) editions were only ever released on DVD.


So, to sum up:


1)"Star Wars" (former rental tape, probably too hard to find anyway, pointless except for the crawl, not widescreen)

2)A New Hope/
3)Empire Strikes Back/
4)Return of the Jedi. 1980's version. Widescreen.

5)A New Hope/
6)Empire Strikes Back/
7)Return of the Jedi. 1992-1995 THX set. released in different boxes, but the same as the "Faces" set in terms of content. Visually the same as before, just remastered audio and some different lines substituted.

8)A New Hope SE/
9)Empire Strikes Back SE/
10)Return of the Jedi SE. 1997 editions. re-released numerous times, always identical. only difference is the "bonus" content, either "Making of" for the Special Editions themselves, or Episode I/II fluff commercials

10 tapes (or LD packs)

DVDs:

1)Star Wars Limited Edition 2006
2)Empire Strikes Back Limited Edition 2006
3)Return of the Jedi 2006

(that's the only DVD set you "need". forget the 4 disc boxed set from 2004, forget the 2005 3 disc set, just get THIS, and if you really want to see 3 1/2 hours of "Empire of Dreams" --the rest is fluff and filler you can find on the 'net for free or isn't even related to the OT-- then get on Amazon.com or ebay and order the "Bonus Materials" disc 4 (with the big darth vader head on it) for $15 or less.

Great Scott!
09-12-2006, 04:35 PM
Well, the new DVDs supposedly came out today, and unfortunately I'm short on money... can anyone comment on them? Did they fix the crappy lightsaber problems as it appeared in the commercial?

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 04:40 PM
I don't think so. There was never any plan to do so.

The "fixed lightsabers" you saw in the commercial were from the "original versions" not the 2004's (of course since both are included on the set then you can view both, just not at the same time, unless you create your own fan edit). Trickery...

It's more surprising that websites reviewing the changes have not posted screenshots of the lightsabers to show just how badly they were done in the 2004 versions. But judging by the screenshots I HAVE seen, which depict lots of messed up colors in other scenes, it seems pretty clear that they didn't bother to fix the lightsabers either.

Sorry to say "I told you so" but we'll let people who actually have it comment...

The only thing "new" in this set is the opening crawl in Star Wars. Everything else we've seen (and heard) before (albeit on LaserDisc/VHS in the case of the originals).

Don't believe everything you see on TV. I just saw a clip on CBS that actually showed the old CG Jabba from 1997! That's not in there.

Still, it will be nice that more people will be buying the original versions (many of whom have never seen them). It's too bad that no effort was made to make them presentable, as the fans wanted. But, that said, they won't look any worse than LaserDisc, and certainly better than the VHS editions already out.

Great Scott!
09-12-2006, 04:47 PM
The "fixed lightsabers" you saw in the commercial were from the "original versions" not the 2004's (of course since both are included on the set then you can view both, just not at the same time, unless you create your own fan edit).Yes, that's what I thought about too (also thinking these would just be the 2004 DVDs on the main disc), however, it was showing the scene with the lightsabers in front of the Emporer, which was what I considered the time the lightsabers were at their worst in any movie (except pre-2004 ANH), but the commercial wasn't one of the commercials advertising the original versions part, and all the other scenes in it looked like they were from the updated versions (and for that matter, the Emporer in the background looked as light as he does in the DVD version, because I think he used to look a lot darker, which was a problem considering lightsabers were right in front of him, but that could just be me).

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 04:52 PM
Trust me, it hasn't been fixed. Did you know if you take the 2004 DVD, pop it into that scene and crank up the brightness on your TV enough, it will look like it should, with the two white cores merging together (instead of two colored rods cutting into each other with Vader's in front for some crazy reason)?

If your TV set's brightness is high enough it will look right. The trouble is then the rest of the movie will look too bright (in scenes of darkness you'll see the black bars since they will be not the same color as the black on the screen edges). The "Emperor's Slugs" in that scene will be obvious as well. Presumably in the 2004 edition they darkened it to make the slugs harder to see (rather than doing the proper thing and just digitally removing them), and in the process ruining the saber lock.

It could be deliberate fakery of course. Anyone with the set feel free to post the frame in question for a side by side comparison... but I don't think these have been touched, so that wouldn't be changed, despite what you saw in the commercials.

Great Scott!
09-12-2006, 05:13 PM
Well, okay. But why would they want you to not see the Emporer's slugs? My guess is they just darkened them to make them look scarier... but aside from that, I knew everything you said (I read it in that post you made), but on a normal TV brightness the lightsabers should look right...

Commander Obi-Wan
09-12-2006, 08:15 PM
I just purchased them. I haven't watched them. But, they come out with the 2004 releases as far as I know, but I can check that soon.

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 09:56 PM
I don't know about the arrangement of what came in what or what all the boxes look like. There are websites out there (I don't have time to look for them now) that catalouge all the releases ever (some with pics some not).

About the widescreen releases in the 1980's, at first I thought no such thing existed (that the THX Enhanced were the first home releases of widescreen), but I have since felt that I was wrong to assume this. It may be though that the widescreen releases (before the THX Enhanced) were only released on LaserDisc, since that was the "movie buff" format and widescreen caught on as a standard much more quickly with that crowd.

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 09:59 PM
I've read about this, why exactly did they do this? Was their something wrong with the original's voice?

Oh, and by the way, although I don't agree with you Kurgan, you had a valid argument and I'm glad you presented it in a mature way as opposed to starting a flame war, and I think what I said was uncalled for, so I apologize.

No problem. ;)

I'm not sure we know the real reason it was changed (merely because George wanted it changed). Supposedly he just "wasn't happy with" how it sounded, and chose an actress with a higher voice (perhaps he wanted her to sound more "feminine" and "less old" or something, who knows).

A ton of people had their voices redubbed for various reasons in the movie, but Beru's was one of the few that probably didn't need to be. But the fact that it was a change made so early on, makes it interesting to fans (especially those who don't realize changes were made before 1997 to the trilogy, a few people know about the 1981 crawl change but far fewer know about the changes from the Mono track to the stereo).

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 10:17 PM
I have a question for anyone with them: How is the sound?

Specifically, in the "theatrical version" DVDs you have, how do the lines go?


Does Luke say to R2D2 (ESB) "You're lucky you don't taste very good" or does he say "You were lucky to get out of there" ?

Do the Stormtroopers say both "Close the Blast Doors" AND "Open the Blast Doors" in the scene in Star Wars where they are chasing Han and company through the corridors?

In the same movie, do the Stormtroopers, while looking for the doors in Mos Eisley say "the door's locked, move along to the next one" or "it's secure, move along to the next one"?

In the space battle over the Death Star, does Luke say "Blast it BIGGS where are you" or does he say "Blast it WEDGE where are you"?


In Return of the Jedi, when Han is about to shoot the tentacle wrapped around Lando's leg by the Sarlacc, does he say "Don't worry... trust me" or "Don't worry, I can see a lot better"?

Great Scott!
09-12-2006, 10:22 PM
Hmmm, that's funny... I did know it was changed early on though. It sounds like you actually remember what the voice sounds like. :lips1:

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 10:26 PM
Well, okay. But why would they want you to not see the Emporer's slugs? My guess is they just darkened them to make them look scarier... but aside from that, I knew everything you said (I read it in that post you made), but on a normal TV brightness the lightsabers should look right...

It's called a cheap quick fix. Instead of digitally removing them (they are just a quick and dirty fix to a costuming gaffe anyway), they just darken the scene. It's the same "quick fix" for the garbage mattes (the squares around the ships in space). Instead of digitally removing all of them, they just removed some and darkened the scenes to make it harder to see the others (but in the process, other details are lost, like for example many of the stars disappear because the background is too dark).

Great Scott!
09-12-2006, 10:31 PM
Actually, come to think of it, I've never heard of these... were they bad costumes or something? If they're going to digitally edit a whole new song for Sy Snootles, I'd think the very least they could do is just edit them to look more real... or are you saying they're real slugs that somehow got on the set?

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 10:32 PM
I wasn't alive in 1977 (I was born a year later, so the first time I saw Star Wars was after it was called "A New Hope" in theaters).

However there are audio clips on the 'net you can listen to (captured from the original soundtrack, from the VHS rental, presumably).

Various fan edit DVDs have been made with the mono track as an option, too.

So yes, I have heard it. Not in its original context, but I've heard it. ;) Do a google search and you'll probably find the clips I'm talking about.

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 10:34 PM
It's just a fan name for those black blobs that appear to be floating on the sides of Palpatine's hood in the ROTJ scenes where he's sitting on his throne talking to Luke. Apparently while they were filming, the light reflected off the corners of the mask Ian McDiarmand was wearing, or highlighted the un-madeup parts of his skin under the hood, so they noticed it at the last minute and either to save money or because they ran out of time (ROTJ was made the quickest of the three movies, in only a year) and just smudged some black over those areas, which didn't quite line up with his head as it moved so made it look like these creatures on his face. ;)

Great Scott!
09-12-2006, 10:34 PM
Sorry to go off-topic, but when you were a baby, did you happen to see the holiday special (I know you wouldn't remember, but maybe your parents did or something)?

...Yeah, I'm running out of things to say. :lips1:

Great Scott!
09-12-2006, 10:36 PM
Ah, okay, I see. I guess I'll look for pictures tomorrow, I gotta go now.

Kurgan
09-12-2006, 10:37 PM
I never asked my parents, but I highly doubt it. I don't think we even had a TV back then. No problem. I'm running out of time to answer posts. ;)

You asked earlier (or in another thread) about Luke's blue lightsaber in ROTJ. It's still supposed to be a different one, because the hilt is different. Just that the blade was supposed to be blue (there were no green lightsabers before that, jedi used blue, and Darth Vader used red). It was changed allegedly for stylistic reasons (showed up better against the Tatooine background of brown/yellows).

edlib
09-12-2006, 11:13 PM
I was alive in '77. I saw Star Wars (no ANH then for us...) 14 times in original release. A couple more times on re-release a few years later (before ESB) when they added all the 'Ep IV: ANH' stuff that made us all go "Huh?"

I don't really remember Beru's original voice. The ADR/ looping in that part is noticeably terrible though. You should be able to fix that with ProTools these days, but I guess it's not a priority. Not only does it not line up with her lips (which could be fixed with very careful time stretching of the samples) but the atmosphere around her voice is all wrong. Everyone else is in the room you see on screen... she's closed-miked in a foam-padded recording booth. Also an easy fix... if anyone cared to take the time to get the details right.

I did see the holiday special when it aired... but the only thing I really remember about it was the cartoon that Boba Fett appeared in.

Kurgan
09-13-2006, 01:30 AM
I have seen the SWHS a few times since then, and yes, it was pretty awful and cornball! A true rite of passage for any hardcore fan (especially those who think Lucas can do no wrong and even liked Jar Jar!).

Kurgan
09-13-2006, 02:34 AM
The cartoon sucks too, I don't care if it was Boba Fett's "introduction" (since retconned out of existence).

I agree. I was saying that the SWHS will shatter anyone's faith that Lucas can do no wrong (even forgiving all the problems of Episode I!).

Great Scott!
09-13-2006, 08:12 AM
You asked earlier (or in another thread) about Luke's blue lightsaber in ROTJ. It's still supposed to be a different one, because the hilt is different. Just that the blade was supposed to be blue (there were no green lightsabers before that, jedi used blue, and Darth Vader used red). It was changed allegedly for stylistic reasons (showed up better against the Tatooine background of brown/yellows).Actually, I don't think I ever asked about that, but in one thread I put a picture of him with his blue lightsaber in an earlier RotJ, and in a more recent thread I posted pointing out his lightsaber looked oddly different in my ANH and ESB posters. Or maybe I did, but I just don't remember, but I know why they made it green and everything.

And about the holiday special, I got a bootlegged DVD of it at a comic convention, and I think some parts of it (not the whole thing though) are pretty underrated. It actually had a lot of funny jokes, and I think I may be the only person who ever noticed, but it was the only time during the OT's run on-screen there were Wookiees other than Chewbacca.

Kurgan
09-13-2006, 11:44 AM
Okay, perhaps I got you confused with somone else, but in any case, the content of my post still was legit. ;)

The posters are no real gauge of how things really look in the final movie. Even the modern "posters" on the new DVD's are based on publicity stills enhanced with photoshop, not in-movie footage.

The SWHS is fun MST3K fodder, but that's about it. The first time I watched it I didn't think it was that horrible, but I guess people had made my expectations rock bottom with their horror stories. I did have fond memories of the "Wookiee Storybook" from my childhood, which I didn't realize, but was directly inspired by the Holiday Special.

And a lot of people saw bootlegs. In fact, unless your memory is razor sharp, you had to have seen it on a bootleg. Lucas himself supposedly claimed he wanted to trash every copy he could find because he was so embarrassed by it. Oh well. That was a different time and a different Lucas, I guess!

Some people still are asking for the thing to come out official on DVD, for old time's sake. Now that's fandom!

There is a certain nostalgia in there, for the 1970's TV culture and what we all thought would be a cool idea (and how it failed so spectacularly). It reminds people of when they were kids wanting Star Wars toys for Christmas. ;)

The Source
09-13-2006, 03:37 PM
I just purchased them. I haven't watched them. But, they come out with the 2004 releases as far as I know, but I can check that soon.
Let me get this straight. In order for me to get the original cut of Star Wars, I have to buy a second copy of what I allready own?

Commander Obi-Wan
09-13-2006, 03:54 PM
Let me get this straight. In order for me to get the original cut of Star Wars, I have to buy a second copy of what I allready own?

Yes. I comes with the theatrical version (the one you want), and the digitally-remastered verision (the one you have).

Though, if I may suggest what till next year since it is the 30th year anniversary of Star Wars and they are coming out with some more version. :)

The Source
09-13-2006, 04:12 PM
^^^^^^^^
Lol... Next year they will have:
The 30th Anniversity of the Extra, Extra, Extra Enhanced version of the Star Wars Trilogy Saga. We made all new enhancements, and a few new surprises. Not only did we go back to the 2004 versions and cleaned them up, but we added never before seen footage. Now, you can watch the truely intended version of Star Wars.

New Enhancements:
-Jabba was replaced by a humanbeing.
-Princes Leia has been digitally enhanced. Now, everything is much larger.
-Chewbacca was replaced with an Ewok.
-Etc...

Lol...

Great Scott!
09-13-2006, 05:17 PM
I think they should make a Star Wars Holiday Special Edition (get it?), it would have more Wookiees in the background, Kashyyyk would actually be Kashyyyk from Episode III instead of Yavin with a green tint, the space battles would look much better, Luke's lightsaber hilt would actually be correct, the Episode IV flashbacks would be from the DVD edition, and fans everywhere would commit suicide and homocide. ;)

Kurgan
09-14-2006, 07:50 AM
Yes. I comes with the theatrical version (the one you want), and the digitally-remastered verision (the one you have).

Though, if I may suggest what till next year since it is the 30th year anniversary of Star Wars and they are coming out with some more version. :)

Yeah, StarWars.com claims that this is the "first and only time" the theatrical versions of Star Wars are coming out on DVD.

Of course in Lucas-speak that may simply mean "the first and only time in this particular package as individual movies" to get around that. ;)

But who knows... according to rumor the 30th anniversary are going to be all tweaked out even more than before.

But, I'm sure there'll still be copies you can get used, the question is, will they be cheap? I already see $15 copies like-new (watched once) on Amazon.com shops. Seems a lot of people pre-ordered, watched the bonus disc and then put them up for sale!


Just an interesting note, the makers of Narnia: The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe 4 disc set are offering a 10$ mail-in rebate for those who already purchased the previous version.

Now that's something you'd never see with a Star Wars DVD!

Kurgan
09-14-2006, 07:52 AM
I just purchased them. I haven't watched them. But, they come out with the 2004 releases as far as I know, but I can check that soon.

Don't open it! Just sell 'em and get the new set instead. ;)

If you've already opened it, just watch the "bonus materials" disc and then sell the set. The new one has everything you already have, minus the bonus disc (which is mostly fluff anyway apart from the 3.5 hour documentary).

Commander Obi-Wan
09-14-2006, 07:52 PM
I may return it and I may keep it. Though, I only have 14 days from Tuesday to return it and then I may just sell it. Though, I wish they would announce what is coming out with this "30th Anniversary" set. Meh. I may just cough up some more money to get this set coming out next year.

Oh well. I am happy with what I have at the moment. Though now that I think about it I may just return them and re-purchase them on a later date, if I don't care for what is in the 30th anniversary set.

Great Scott!
09-14-2006, 08:46 PM
Actually, if anything, I'd buy these DVDs and sell my old trilogy set, because the boxes for these match the prequel DVDs much better.

Kurgan
09-14-2006, 09:35 PM
Well, you could just do what I did, go print up your own covers at a copy place for like $6 (on glossy paper they look awesome, the internet has TONS of quality covers for Star Wars movies). Amray cases are just a plastic box. Open it up, and pop the label out and put in your own! ;)

If you need help I can point you in the right direction to finding custom covers (Or you can make your own).

I'm sure details of the 30th anniversary set won't be officially announced until long after this Limited Edition run has ended. Why would Lucas take the chance on everyone not rushing out to buy this one?

If StarWars.com is right though, the "original originals" won't be included in that set, we'll just got more re-edits of the six movies and possibly a disc of extras, different from the one we got in 2004.

Jeff
09-14-2006, 09:48 PM
Well, you could just do what I did, go print up your own covers at a copy place for like $6 (on glossy paper they look awesome, the internet has TONS of quality covers for Star Wars movies). Amray cases are just a plastic box. Open it up, and pop the label out and put in your own! ;)

If you need help I can point you in the right direction to finding custom covers (Or you can make your own).This is what I'm gonna do to my DVDs, I much prefer the movie posters to the dvd cover art and I found some that have the movie poster as the main cover art online. The only one I couldn't find was for Episode 3 since they were made before it was released.

Commander Obi-Wan
09-14-2006, 10:51 PM
Jeez. I am confused on what to do. Should I keep them or should I sell them? Though, I'd admitted I rushed the purchase of these DVDs. I may just return them and re-buy them at a cheaper price. And that will be that. Since, I want the "original" original movies.

Though, it would be wise if Lucas waited till the time the date that he will stop selling this DVDs to announce what's up with the 30th anniversary editions.

Prime
09-14-2006, 11:37 PM
I'd love to see some sales figures on this set.

Kurgan
09-15-2006, 04:31 AM
I'd love to see some sales figures on this set.

I have a feeling we won't get honest numbers on this, but rather some inflated figures combined with LEGO Star Wars II (much like what was done with SWBF/2004 DVDs).




Jeez. I am confused on what to do. Should I keep them or should I sell them? Though, I'd admitted I rushed the purchase of these DVDs. I may just return them and re-buy them at a cheaper price. And that will be that. Since, I want the "original" original movies.

Though, it would be wise if Lucas waited till the time the date that he will stop selling this DVDs to announce what's up with the 30th anniversary editions.

All things being equal, this set is much more worth getting than the 2004 set (1 bonus disc < 3 original versions) even if you're spending up to 10 bucks more, total.

Keep your bonus disc 4, sell the rest, get this one. ;)

(though perhaps I'd keep the original set, and just sell the 2004 discs out of the new set, since their disc covers are uglier... gold lettering, giant "widescreen" "copyright warnings" and FBI logo to mar the design).

The thing is, the 2005 set was "limited edition" and it was sold side by side with the 2004 set. If they don't get sold, they just remain on shelves and confuse customers (though in the above case, it didn't matter, because one was just an extra disc and cost slightly more in different packaging). Lucas wins because no matter what version you buy, you're getting his 2004 "definitive" (until may 2007 that is!) version of the trilogy.

Jeff
09-15-2006, 09:12 AM
All things being equal, this set is much more worth getting than the 2004 set (1 bonus disc < 3 original versions) even if you're spending up to 10 bucks more, total.

Keep your bonus disc 4, sell the rest, get this one. ;)

(though perhaps I'd keep the original set, and just sell the 2004 discs out of the new set, since their disc covers are uglier... gold lettering, giant "widescreen" "copyright warnings" and FBI logo to mar the design).

The thing is, the 2005 set was "limited edition" and it was sold side by side with the 2004 set. If they don't get sold, they just remain on shelves and confuse customers (though in the above case, it didn't matter, because one was just an extra disc and cost slightly more in different packaging). Lucas wins because no matter what version you buy, you're getting his 2004 "definitive" (until may 2007 that is!) version of the trilogy.I wanna say Commander only has the new dvd set, I remember him saying. Amiright?

But I'm considering doing your idea of selling the 2004 ones and keeping the bonus disk 4, that would be great.

Commander Obi-Wan
09-15-2006, 03:09 PM
Yeah. I have decided to return them at the store I bought. Mainly because I think I may have rushed the purchase of the DVDs (as you may see, before I wasn't even close to think about purchasing them). And like I said before, I may just re-buy them in December or I might just get them for my birthday or by Christmas.

Though, it would help to know what is to come with the new set that is being released next year.

Jeff
09-15-2006, 07:05 PM
Though, it would help to know what is to come with the new set that is being released next year.But that's not going to happen because if that info was given then nobody would buy these dvds besides collectors.

Commander Obi-Wan
09-15-2006, 07:11 PM
I know that it wouldn't make much sense financially. Though, it depends what coming with the new collectors set. The DVDs that just came out might not be part of the set. That's why I do difficult to choose whether or not to keep or buy this DVDs.

Kurgan
09-16-2006, 02:46 AM
Yeah. I have decided to return them at the store I bought. Mainly because I think I may have rushed the purchase of the DVDs (as you may see, before I wasn't even close to think about purchasing them). And like I said before, I may just re-buy them in December or I might just get them for my birthday or by Christmas.

Though, it would help to know what is to come with the new set that is being released next year.


Rumor has it, Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT even more and making "special editions" of the prequels too (though we only know that Episode I will have CG Yoda for sure, and probably a "digital restoration" so it doesn't look so overly sharpened, and probably will be made "video-ized" (grain removed) to match the other movies). And then a disc of extras, people are hoping deleted scenes from the Original Trilogy, but that's just rumor for now.

Nothing about the Original Original Trilogy, so presumably this is our "last chance" until Lucas changes his mind again (and they said nothing of course of next generation formats). Many people presume they're just lying, and really they'll release it again and say that since it's in a new box-set or is restored, then it's not really a "re-release." Who knows.

But for now it seems like if you want the best set available right now, get this one, forget the others (order the "Bonus Materials" disc 4 from the 2004 set if you really want it, off amazon or ebay, or just rent it and watch it once).

Kurgan
09-16-2006, 02:50 AM
Merged the threads on the 2006 editions. ;)

The Source
09-16-2006, 11:08 AM
Rumor has it, Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT even more and making "special editions" of the prequels too (though we only know that Episode I will have CG Yoda for sure, and probably a "digital restoration" so it doesn't look so overly sharpened, and probably will be made "video-ized" (grain removed) to match the other movies). And then a disc of extras, people are hoping deleted scenes from the Original Trilogy, but that's just rumor for now.

Nothing about the Original Original Trilogy, so presumably this is our "last chance" until Lucas changes his mind again (and they said nothing of course of next generation formats). Many people presume they're just lying, and really they'll release it again and say that since it's in a new box-set or is restored, then it's not really a "re-release." Who knows.

But for now it seems like if you want the best set available right now, get this one, forget the others (order the "Bonus Materials" disc 4 from the 2004 set if you really want it, off amazon or ebay, or just rent it and watch it once).
"Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT "
Lol... I like how casual this sentence is. "Lucas is just tweaking the 2004 OT." Lol... You know what that means. Lol... Complete revision of scenes, and several excuses on why he altered them.

I wouldn't mind seeing a digital Yoda in Episode I. I think that would be cool. At least he will not look like Archie Bunker. Lol...

I can see it now, "I decided to go back, and Make Jar-Jar Binks into a Jedi.". This would be the shot heard around the world, and the entire Star Wars franchise falls into the abyss of hell. Lol...

Serious note: I don't see in anyway that he could improve Episode I, III, or III. Since I personally believe Episode I & II were horrible, I can only see bad things in the future. Well, thank god they are not apart of the 2004 set.

When it comes to Episode IV, V, VI, I think someone needs to lock George into a closet. Some of the changes he made to the originals were necessary and cool, but there were some that are very argumentative.

I would make an argument of, "Get them before they are ruined." You never know what the 30th aniversary eddition will be like. He may decide to replace Vader's head with his own.

Kurgan
09-16-2006, 01:30 PM
Honestly I don't think CG Yoda would improve Episode I at all. Yes, it would appear more "consistent" with Episode II and III, but the puppet does so little (other than sit/stand there and talk) that it's really a waste. Second, while the movie was the least of the Star Wars series IMHO (the only thing making it stand out was the excellent saber fight at the end, which trumps all the others in the movies, again IMHO), at least the muppet Yoda was funny. He looked STONED, leading to all kinds of great jokes and imaginary scenarios. Take that out and replace it with a decent looking CG version, and that source of entertainment is gone...

Anyway, that's my view on it. A better digital transfer of Episode I would be nice, but the content (the movie itself) doesn't change, and so my liking or disliking it isn't affected (arguably comedy potential is reduced).

Great Scott!
09-16-2006, 03:44 PM
Actually, I think I like the change, just because the puppet Yoda in episodes V and VI just makes him look old, not like a puppet, but then when you see him as a puppet in episode I and then CGI in episodes II and III, it looks really inconsistent. The puppet gives him more of a moldy/old look. But then again, I like the puppet more, and wish they went with the original plan to only make him CGI in-battle... poor Frank Oz, his hard work in TPM will go unnoticed. :(

Kurgan
09-16-2006, 04:03 PM
Well the thing is Yoda IS old. He was a puppet in Episode V and VI, and so that to me is the "real" Yoda. Yes, it's true in Episode I it was a different puppet than was used in the classic trilogy, but still. It's like CG Jabba. Sure, the new CG Jabba looks much better than the old CG Jabba, but it's still just an interpretation of the "real" Jabba, the puppet used in ROTJ.

I thought the Yoda puppet in Episode I was pretty cool, and it was funny looking. Had I never seen any of the other movies, I'd think it was the real Yoda. Since he's not leaping around having a saber fight with anyone, there is really need for him to be CG, except a sense of "consistency." But consistency can be taken too far. We could replace Sir Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor (either in old age makeup, or wait until he's the right age and then CG him in), for example. Or insert the actor who plays "young" Captain Antilles into Star Wars. Or Beru and Owen from Episode III in middle age makeup (or when they reach the right age) into Episode IV.

We could put Hayden with his scarring makeup in the unmasking scene in Episode VI.

We could replace the puppet Yoda in ESB and ROTJ with CG Yoda.

We could make the stormtroopers in the classic trilogy CG, and give them all Jango Fett's voice and height (and even give them colored markings on their armor). We could give R2D2 booster rockets. We could make Ben an Darth flip around and throw force powers at each other during their battle on the Death Star. It would just be silly...

Eventually you get to the point when you might as well just remake the movies entirely, using fresh actors and CG.

The Source
09-16-2006, 05:47 PM
^^^^^
You make some really good points. I enjoyed the puppet version of Yoda in Episode IV, V, and VI. At least there is some type of physical prop, and Yoda looks more geniune. :)

Kurgan
09-16-2006, 08:53 PM
Not to nitpick (okay I guess I am), but Yoda wasn't in Episode IV (not even in the SE's!). ;)

Otherwise I agree!

JediLandon
09-16-2006, 09:47 PM
about to buy it it should be awsome :vsd:

Jeff
09-16-2006, 10:23 PM
I agree about the puppet yoda, I actually liked the puppet in Episode I. I bet they will change it to CG just because we've seen a preview of the CG one, in one of the bonus disks, can't remember which (episode 3?), but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if they kept him as a puppet.

The Source
09-16-2006, 10:54 PM
Not to nitpick (okay I guess I am), but Yoda wasn't in Episode IV (not even in the SE's!). ;)

Otherwise I agree!
Lol... D'uh. Lol...

I must have suffered from a senior moment. Lol...

Commander Obi-Wan
09-17-2006, 01:39 AM
I wouldn't mind if Yoda is digital or a puppet. It wouldn't make much of a diiference to me.

We could change many of the things you list, but if it happened it would ruin it. I don't think many changes are necessary to be made for this upcoming set next year.

Kurgan
09-17-2006, 03:36 AM
Yeah, but when has "unnecessary" ever been a word that stopped Lucas in the past?


Just saying! ;)

TheTexasPirate!
11-24-2006, 04:39 PM
Finaly a Purist version.

Kurgan
12-03-2006, 04:48 PM
Yep. Too bad it's not anamorphic and lacks the original theatrical soundtracks.

Now THAT would truly be the "purist" version of the new Millennium!

Hopefully the fan editors will get to work with this new source material... ;)

The Source
12-29-2006, 07:03 PM
Honestly I don't think CG Yoda would improve Episode I at all.
Lol.. Only getting drunk will improve your view of Episode I.

I know. I know the post was old, but I had to add to his comments. :)

Dunedain
03-18-2007, 06:35 PM
It's really cool to finally have the unaltered original trilogy (in other words, the way things *really* happen in Star Wars) on DVD. :) Even though George is being absurdly stubborn by not giving us a new transfer, at least this is a start. For the rumored 30th anniversary Star Wars boxed set, a new anamorphic transfer from the fully restored master film prints of the unaltered original trilogy should be included.

As far as changes to Episode I, I'd actually prefer to keep Yoda as he is. Or at least have an option to view Episode I with the new transfer, but without any of these changes in the 2007 set. It would be cool to have an option to watch Episode I and see in the movie all of the duel of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan versus Darth Maul. :)

I assume there won't be many changes in Episodes II and III, but it would be nice to be able to watch in the movie the full length duel between Obi-Wan and Count Dooku, and also Yoda versus Count Dooku, in Episode II. :)

Kurgan
07-07-2007, 06:03 PM
I'd like to add (especially for anyone who has read this thread all the way through) some things now that I've seen my copies of the 2006 set many times, to clarify some things that I said or speculated about that were not quite accurate:

- These sets are STILL AVAILABLE in stores (check the bargain bin). The "limited edition" thing was just a marketing ploy and they didn't sell as many as they had hoped, probably because most customers are utterly confused, with three different "Star Wars trilogy" sets sitting side by side on store shelves. I bet a lot of people think it's just the 2004 version again wrapped individually or something (the two other sets aren't even LABELLED as the 'special editions' they just say "Star Wars Trilogy" or "Episodes IV, V, VI"). So contrary to all our fears, these were NOT pulled from store shelves on Jan 1st. If stores in your area don't carry them, you can order them off amazon, ebay or equivalent. They're pretty cheap these days, even new.

- Yes, the "Bonus Materials" disc that originally was exclusive to the 2004 box set is still available. You can purchase it online (Amazon.com has it, for less than $10 usually).

- The collector's tin is still available (order online) but it's over $100. Be advised, all this is is the three 2006 (2 disc) sets tossed into a metal box, that you used to be able to buy at Best Buy for $10 more than buying them individually.

- I bought the special wal-mart deal where each movie came in a cheap cardboard box (same packaging for each movie, only the front cover is different, a pic of the DVD and a pic of the comic cvover). The comics are just reprints of the Dark Horse collections (themselves reprints of the Marvel Comics vintage "movie" adaptations that have been RE-COLORED to match the movies... so no red lightsabers for everyone in the original Star Wars, no blue Yoda, etc). Unlike the vintage comics, the "reader mail" "pin up section" and "intro" boards for each issue are removed in these versions. Still, pretty cool.

- The 2006 "bonus discs" come with no extras, except each one has an (identical) Xbox demo of "Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy" and an (identical) trailer for the game. There's no commentary or other bonuses.

- The 2004 discs that are included in the set are identical to the 2004 cuts of the movies already released, and have the same audio commentaries and other options. They have all the same flaws too, nothing has been fixed or changed. The disc artwork matches the 2005 sets (FBI logo and different fonts added to the 2004 disc art). Some have speculated that these are actually unsold stock from the 2005 "limited edition" (the only thing "limited edition" about that set was the cardboard box it came in!).

- The opening crawl in "Star Wars" (1977, bonus disc) IS how it was from 1977-1980. There's NO "episode iv: a new hope" and everything else is perfect. Upon closer inspection I think this was re-created with the original elements (not in CG). The only thing stopping me from saying it IS the 1977 original crawl is that the shot of Alderaan's moon as the camera pans down right before the Tantive IV flies into view looks different (more detailed and "half moonish" if that's a word) than the shots I've seen of the laserdiscs.

- Yes, the color quality IS better than the laserdiscs. The picture is sharper and there's better balance and the colors are accurate. This LOOKS better than any Laserdisc I've ever seen, including bootleg transfers that fans have put onto DVD. And on TV it looks better than VHS.

- Sadly, if you have a widescreen TV, and view it in "zoomed" or "stretched" mode, the second line of subtitles (Greedo scene, Jabba scenes or watching the movie on CC) will be chopped off. Thus you either have to watch it unzoomed to get that...

However some people have told me that certain DVD players have a Zoom feature that DOES show all the subtitles. If you're lucky enough to own one of these, then you're set!

- Yes, there are little problems in the video here and there (that really should have been fixed before they transferred it), some ghosting and color blips. But unless you're paying super close attention or sitting really close to a big screen, you aren't likely to notice.

- It's been confirmed by official sources that these are definately the 1993 master tapes used to create the LaserDiscs. The only thing different is the opening crawl for Star Wars (no word on if it's re-created or original, but I suspect it's re-created from the original elements, unless they just inserted a new moon in 1993 before they started doing the other SE changes).

- The sound on the "bonus discs" (the theatrical 2006 discs) is the same audio mix that accompanied the movie on Laserdisc in the 80's. It sounds good but it's Dolby 2.0 only. The first sound track for the theatrical Star Wars was actually the six channel stereo, but at the time few theaters had the capability to handle it, so they quickly produced a stereo and mono mix. Sadly none of these mixes are present on the DVD (but can be found on the 'net, and fans are working on creating their own versions that incorporate these mixes). The home video versions all used blends of the different theatrical soundtracks. So in this version you won't hear the "magnum" blaster rifles, Threepio doesn't explain the tractor beam, but Han says "trust me" and Luke says R2 is lucky he doesn't taste very good. Blast it BIGGS where are you, there's no "close the blast doors!" before "open the blast doors." The side of the street is secure (not "the door's locked"), etc.

- The "30th Anniversary Edition" of the DVDs that was long rumored was cancelled. No new DVDs are going to be released in the foreseeable future. The 30th anniversary of the original Star Wars was May 25. The 24th anniversary of ROTJ was the same day, and the 27th anniversary of ESB was May 20th. It's now July 7. Nothing coming down the pipe except the Clone Wars CG series next year and the Live Action series circa 2009. The "3D Star Wars in theaters" thing was also put off indefinately, because "the technology wasn't up to speed" Lucas claims.


And yes, I still prefer the original movies. I watched Star Wars (2006 theatrical DVD) again a few nights ago and it was wonderful. I'm watching ROTJ now and it's great too, just like I remember it.

Hope that helps anyone who is still on the fence about this set or curious...

Dunedain
09-26-2007, 07:43 PM
Very good summary, Kurgan. :) The new Star Wars original trilogy DVD's do look quite good, better than even the Star Wars Definitive Collection laserdisk set, which itself looks good. Many were surprised but just how good these DVD's look when they bought their sets and got to watch them. :)

And not only are the dumb changes from the SE gone, but the colors in Star Wars are accurate in this DVD set, they look the way they always have, the way they are supposed to look, not with the odd colors found in the SE. :)

If anyone hasn't gotten this set yet, I highly recommend it. You'll have the original Star Wars trilogy the way it actually happened, without any of the bizarre changes stuck in the SE, with good picture and sound quality. The DVD's also have great custom Star Wars menus. :)

As for the beginning of Star Wars, there are many that now think that is the original opening crawl on this new DVD set, after having examined it very closely. Apparently it was available from the fully restored and preserved master film prints that Lucasfilm has had ever since they were preparing for the 1997 release of the Special Edition in theaters (you know, the ones that they've refused to use so far for a new transfer of the unaltered trilogy :) ), and they took the time to put the correct original beginning of Star Wars in (no "A New Hope" in the title). Head over to www.originaltrilogy.com if you want the details, several Star Wars fans over there have looked into this carefully. There's certainly been a lot of interesting discussion on this issue. :)

It's very disappointing that it looks as if there might be no Star Wars 30th Anniversary DVD set this year. Hopefully they will have a big Star Wars DVD collector's set out next year, including a new transfer from the pristine master film prints of the original unaltered Star Wars trilogy. :)

Kurgan
03-05-2008, 04:09 PM
Very good summary, Kurgan. :) The new Star Wars original trilogy DVD's do look quite good, better than even the Star Wars Definitive Collection laserdisk set, which itself looks good. Many were surprised but just how good these DVD's look when they bought their sets and got to watch them. :)

And not only are the dumb changes from the SE gone, but the colors in Star Wars are accurate in this DVD set, they look the way they always have, the way they are supposed to look, not with the odd colors found in the SE. :)

If anyone hasn't gotten this set yet, I highly recommend it. You'll have the original Star Wars trilogy the way it actually happened, without any of the bizarre changes stuck in the SE, with good picture and sound quality. The DVD's also have great custom Star Wars menus. :)

As for the beginning of Star Wars, there are many that now think that is the original opening crawl on this new DVD set, after having examined it very closely. Apparently it was available from the fully restored and preserved master film prints that Lucasfilm has had ever since they were preparing for the 1997 release of the Special Edition in theaters (you know, the ones that they've refused to use so far for a new transfer of the unaltered trilogy :) ), and they took the time to put the correct original beginning of Star Wars in (no "A New Hope" in the title). Head over to www.originaltrilogy.com if you want the details, several Star Wars fans over there have looked into this carefully. There's certainly been a lot of interesting discussion on this issue. :)

It's very disappointing that it looks as if there might be no Star Wars 30th Anniversary DVD set this year. Hopefully they will have a big Star Wars DVD collector's set out next year, including a new transfer from the pristine master film prints of the original unaltered Star Wars trilogy. :)

Yeah, many amazing fan edits exist. We can't of course promote them here (out of respect for Lucasfilm's copyright), but that site does have some interesting discussions of those preservations. It's amazing what fans can do without millions of dollars, to lovingly restore the classic films! Maybe someday Lucas will get the message...?

Kurgan
07-31-2008, 03:51 PM
We've been discussing whether to allow discussions of fan edits here, but I will only say that "Star Wars Revisited" is the ultimate fan edit of ANH (though still, we await a restoration of the original theatrical film!).

A note on the "opening crawl mystery." It appears that in 1981, when Lucas inserted "Episode IV: A New Hope" he also tweaked the "moon" to make it look like a globe instead of a half moon (playing with the contrast/brightness/saturation). Some had speculated that it was a new element added in 1981, but now most fans who have looked at it think it's just the original lit differently. Interestingly, the "old" moon of Alderaan (in that opening shot) was restored in 2004, so now what you see in the 2006 ("unaltered") and 2004 editions matches, but when you look at old laserdiscs from the 80's (which are the 1981 "Episode IV" edition) the moon looks different.

So still, the 2006 editions are the "most authentic" and best quality versions of the movies, closest to the theatrical originals, officially, anyway. A few elusive fan edits exist that are working to restore the films even more, but again, since that's a questionable topic I'll leave off elaborating for now. No word yet on a high def release, and I am still convinced that Lucas will not give us what we want...

Oh, and the Clone Wars CG movie (pilot of the upcoming TV series) is coming to theaters next month, you already knew that I'm sure, since trailers are now being shown of it. It looks silly, but I'll probably check it out, after scanning the reviews.

Darth krunchy
08-01-2008, 08:14 AM
Darnit, I want my totally unaltered Star Wars film, before it had "EPISODE IV" and "A NEW HOPE" at the beginning! :mad:

I'm just kidding. I dislike all the new stuff also, but I typed what I did above to highlight that Lucas has been changing the moview for a loooong time now. It's not just what he dis with these newer editions of the original trilogy.

I think we all just love what we saw the first time the most.

Great Scott!
08-22-2008, 03:40 AM
I think we all just love what we saw the first time the most.I saw the VHS special editions first, but I like the originals better.

That's right. My opinion has changed greatly since I posted in this thread two years ago. There are some things I like and some things I don't, but in the end, I think the originals are better. I love stuff about both; I prefer Han shooting first, but I like the re-instated Jabba scene. I prefer Sebastian Shaw in Episode VI, but I like the new music in the ending better. And I prefer the awesome windows in Cloud City, but... uhhh... I don't really remember many other changes to Empire Strikes Back, or any that I didn't like. Anyways, I've just been getting interested in older movies lately, and as a result, I also like catching goofs, how they make effects, etc. So it's just a better experience to me, it feels more like you're watching an actual classic. I've come more absorbed in the movies themselves, and less absorbed in the Star Wars universe alone.

I still don't hate the edits though, and they certainly don't ruin the movies or anything. But if I'm watching the movies from a DVD on my TV, it's going to be the originals. I have a high-def television, and the original versions on the official DVDs look really nice on it (it looked like I was really in Tatooine while I was watching Episode IV, which it should), so I dunno what all the complaints against those are about.

Kurgan
04-12-2009, 09:38 PM
I should add a little something here, since some folks have wondered and because they're ubiquitous now...

Most places, you can now purchase a DVD "Star Wars Trilogy" box set:

(see the one on the right, in blue):

http://starwars.com/img/movies/saga/20080826news/dvd_saga.jpg

This set is essentially just a cardboard sleeve holding the three "Limited Edition" 2-disc sets from 2006.

It was released in December 2008, and is still available (they didn't even bother calling this one "Limited Edition" this time).

It appears that it usually ends up cheaper if you buy this rather than order each LE. But the content is IDENTICAL as if you'd purchased all three seperately, so you get the 2004 editions and the "2006" "Theatrical" "Bonus Disc" versions.

So if you're a first-time buyer of Star Wars on DVD, this is probably the set to get.

And just FYI, the Prequel version is just the three, previously released Prequel (2-disc) sets in a new cardboard sleeve. Again, nothing new, and it may or may not be cheaper than buying them individually, price shop and compare.

Also, I might be mistaken, but I think both of these sets are Widescreen only (not that that is a bad thing, mind you), as there's no alternate packaging for a full frame set.


People have also asked, "When is the NEW Special Edition set coming" or "When is the 3D set coming" or "When is this coming to Blu-Ray"? The answer is: NOBODY KNOWS.

Lucas and his company have said nothing official about it, and apparently such things were/are "planned" but have no definitive release date, having been postponed indefinitely.

Kurgan
04-12-2009, 09:58 PM
Please see the other thread for more accurate information. I realize now a lot of my earlier posts were speculation (having been made before I actually owned the 2006 set). I've learned a lot more things about the development of the saga thanks to hanging out on the Star Wars pages of IMDB.com.

Some little mistakes were made here and there, like my thinking that the "Faces" set altered the lines (apparently I misremembered that, and it was the 1997 edition that did that first, although the Faces set has other differences in audio from the 1980's tapes).

The 2006 "theatrical" bonus discs definitely use a LaserDisc "tape master" used to create those discs in 1993. Apparently the "original crawl" in Star Wars is actually the real deal, including the original moon shot (rather than a computer generated re-creation). If it was re-created using the original elements or simply spliced in, they did a darn good job of blending it so you can't tell!

Anyway, now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

Zeaband
08-07-2009, 01:22 AM
All I can say is that when I bought and saw the 2006 versions I was very disappointed, even I could tell they were the slightly squeezed laser disc versions.
Could ne1 tell if me if the actual 1977, 1980, and 1983 releases on DVD is even a possibility ne more or have those reels turned to dust by now.

Kurgan
08-08-2009, 03:42 PM
You mean a brand new transfer from the reels? It's possible that they could restore the negatives from the vaults or from some private collectors I guess. Supposedly in 1997 when they did so for the original SE's it was a big job. They are probably in pretty bad shape by now. But if they can restore even older movies, surely they can do so for Star Wars, and the technology for restoration now has improved quite a bit I would think in the last decade.

Seeing the ORIGINALS restored in theaters again would be amazing (not just seeing some old copy somebody had from the 80's in their collection covered with dust and scratches, faded, etc). Seeing them on DVD would be the icing on the cake.

So I would think it's still a "possibility" it's just that Lucas has a stranglehold on that right now and he doesn't seem to want to budge. The 2006 release was supposed to "shut up" the fans who were complaining (while he saw everyone else as being "satisfied" with whatever new version of the SE's he'd release as his "definitive vision"). If the fans continue to complain, and do so constructively, who knows... maybe someday he'll change his mind (hopefully before it's too late to do the actual restoration work).

Zeaband
08-08-2009, 04:39 PM
That is what I would like to see, because I have very little problems with George altering his movies (emphasis on his movies he can do what ever he wants) but I would just like to have original theatrical releases so we can enjoy every version and see how far we've come.
I think history will remember Lucas a lot better than we are looking at him right now.

Not to say that I am not preparing an underground army to strike LucasFilm incase Lucas tries to completely remake the OT.

Kurgan
08-09-2009, 05:46 AM
That is what I would like to see, because I have very little problems with George altering his movies (emphasis on his movies he can do what ever he wants) but I would just like to have original theatrical releases so we can enjoy every version and see how far we've come.
I think history will remember Lucas a lot better than we are looking at him right now.

Not to say that I am not preparing an underground army to strike LucasFilm incase Lucas tries to completely remake the OT.

Frankly I'd much RATHER that Lucas simply remake the OT from scratch and release it, than to keep tinkering around with the movies making "Special Editions." I too want to see the originals restored to the pristine quality that was shown in theaters 1977-1985. THAT is what deserves to be preserved. The SEs are little more than curiosities... tech demos for (now dated) CG fx and editing. Now that the prequels are done, there's no more excuse to keep doing this.

But I'm cool with Lucas having his "my best version of my original vision that I always intended ever" sandbox over there and the REAL Star Wars movies over here where the regular fans can watch 'em to their hearts content.

Is that so much to ask? The Flanneled One has BILLIONS. He KNOWS Star Wars is his #1 cash cow. Why not? The man needs to see reason. He probably thinks he threw us a bone with the 2006 laserdisc dumps, but really, as loyal fans for so many years, we deserve a little more than that.

BloodnoseThePirate
05-02-2010, 02:46 AM
the originals are superior. this release is incompetent but worth it just to see it mostly the way it was supposed to be. if you like the new special editions then youre obviously an annoying 13 year old. THE END

casfan
07-06-2010, 05:12 AM
I am going to carbon-date myself, but oh well... Did anyone ever get star wars (http://www.dvduz.com/Star-Wars-Movies-DVD-Collection-Box-Set-p-603.html): The Original cut on records. They had a version on record, which the listener would read along. Ignore the fact that I linked a blog site, for I am only trying to show you the pictures.

Star Wars : A New Hope : Read Along
http://checkthecoolwax.blogspot.com/2006/02/star-wars-new-hope-read-along.html

Star Wars : Empire Strikes Back : Read Along
http://checkthecoolwax.blogspot.com/2006/02/star-wars-empire-strikes-back-read.html

Star Wars : Return Of The Jedi : Read Along
http://checkthecoolwax.blogspot.com/2006/02/star-wars-return-of-jedi-read-along.html

Nostelgic... All the way... Hehehe...

The days when Han shot first, and Boba Fett was cold and ruthless. The days when the Ewoks danced and sang, and Sabastian Shaw was the force ghosts at the end of ROTJ. Hehehe...

I have all these dvds .

Kurgan
09-07-2011, 11:44 AM
I had the ROTJ Read Along record when I was a kid. Before we had a VCR, I probably knew it better than the movie version! ;)

Kurgan
09-19-2011, 06:38 PM
Well the Blu-Ray sets are officially out, and (as we knew all along) there are no theatrical cuts included (unless you count Episode III which is the theatrical cut, since all that was changed on TV was one lack of transition which was restored for this edition, go figure).

People who liked the 1997 SE's don't get their version, in fact, neither do the 2004 edition fans (though the Blu-Rays are very close to these versions). Prequel fans have had their movies tinkered with as well (though Episode III really hasn't changed, Episode II now has the dreaded blue tints we all complained about with the OT 2004!).

It took 2 years for the theatrical OT to come out on DVD after the first trilogy box set. Hopefully it won't take as long this time...

What I don't get is why Lucas included all these nostalgic commentaries, nostalgic documentaries and nostalgic deleted scenes which will appeal directly to fans of the THEATRICAL versions of these films, but only included revamped 21st century digital versions of each movie? "Ultimate Boxed Set" this is not.

Ah well, at least we still have these, rather than nothing.

Kurgan
12-11-2011, 02:16 PM
And as if there was any doubt, the "Theatrical Bonus Discs" are here to stay, since you can get them either in the 2 disc "limited editions" or else in the "Trilogy" DVD box set (with the blue cover). If you're a fan of the originals, that's really all you "need" to buy. The only difference between getting the box set vs. the 2 disc sets is that the individual cases are thinner and in a big cardboard sleeve.

Of course the "bonus discs" in the Blu-Ray set can only be obtained by buying the "Saga" Blu-Ray box set. Even though the BD is in special packaging, I imagine it might end up on ebay as a stand alone thing, like the "Bonus Materials" disc from 2004 did. Who knows.

MTFBWY

Alexrd
12-11-2011, 06:23 PM
Even though the BD is in special packaging, I imagine it might end up on ebay as a stand alone thing, like the "Bonus Masterials" disc from 2004 did. Who knows.

The difference is that the 2004 bonus disc had an individual case. The BD discs are tied to the whole pack.

But it's good to know that the originals are out there. ;)

Kurgan
12-31-2011, 04:36 PM
Good point. So if it was sold separately, it would be in generic jewel or amray case, etc. instead of the accordion style custom packaging.

It's worth repeating, since there are different extras on the BD-set (the only thing that sounds the same are the audio commentaries), it appears that LFL & co. presume that the majority of the buyers of this set already own the 2004 set. And I can imagine Lucas thinking "why would they want the original cuts? They have the 2006/2008 sets, right?" ;p