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Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 02:25 AM
Wally the space dolphin is bored. He has therefore asked me to pass along a fun topic survey to the forum in hopes that humans will see it, understand and respond to it.

Umm. Okay. Here it is: 'What is your favorite art form?'

Okay. Fair enough, Wally. My own favorite art form is the misshapen figures I have created on the sidewalk in front of my house from melted crayons to scare away birds.

Who else is bored enough to respond? http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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Evil Spock
02-13-2001, 02:28 AM
My favorite art is the music of my victims screaming.

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Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 03:09 AM
I like the art...of WAR>.

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 03:22 AM
i like the art of persuasion http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm2/Up_to_something.gif

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 03:26 AM
Actually, I like the fine art of walking into a toy store, grabbing a toy from the rack, walking up, and paying for it with a credit card and keeping a straight face the whole time.

Keyan Farlander
02-13-2001, 03:26 AM
Nute, as soon as I saw this thread, I knew would post that. I would have bet everything I own on it. I can read you like a book, sir http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/cool.gif

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 03:29 AM
If you HAD bet everything, I could have changed it up and mentioned DALI or something.

Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 03:42 AM
I only read good books!

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 03:55 AM
I read trashy romance novels set during the civil war.

Keyan Farlander
02-13-2001, 03:57 AM
It seems I only have time to read text books these days http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by Keyan Farlander (edited February 13, 2001).]

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 03:59 AM
i read <font color="maroon"> LITERATURE </font color="maroon"> and it makes me feel like this: http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm2/spit.gif
http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/disturbed.gif

Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 04:03 AM
I read Nute's mind with Romulan technology. I can't discuss it here, though!

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 04:06 AM
i tell nute what to think...what does that mean!? *looks startled* http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/eek4.gif

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit:
I read Nute's mind with Romulan technology. I can't discuss it here, though!

YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT.

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 04:25 AM
http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/read.gif

Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 04:26 AM
I beamed Rosie to a holodeck. Her reality is at my control, and she doesn't even know it!

http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 04:28 AM
<font size=1> <font color="green">damnation</font color="green">

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Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 04:36 AM
rosie's cheating on the rabbit.

Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 04:38 AM
And I know who with!!!

*(Cuts off Nute's head.)*

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Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 04:39 AM
she cornered me in the kitchen and attempted to seduce me. I had to stab her repeated like with a spork before she backed off.

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 04:41 AM
<font size=+4> <font color="yellow">!?

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 04:42 AM
don't try and deny it!


wait...all these empty liquor bottles...maybe i imagined it http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 04:45 AM
Oh, Nute, you've just gotten the cough syrup mixed up with the mouthwash again.

Sticking your head in the toilet and flushing repeatedly is the quickest cure for your hallucinatory state of mind...

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 04:46 AM
damn bats everywhere...

Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 04:51 AM
Wally the space dolphin would like to know if Nute considers his fantasies art.

http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 05:04 AM
YES

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 05:06 AM
*lol*
and also, your words have incurred this...
<img src="http://sobclan.obiwan-network.com/guildbar.gif" height="100" width="800">
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Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 05:44 AM
Yaaa-aa--! All fear the Rainbow Vortex of Doom!!!

Gold leader
02-13-2001, 07:37 AM
GL's favourite form of art is film. I like SW the most. And I do consider SW art. It has character development, human weakness and strength as one of the major themes and refers to ancient mythology very often. Just like literature.

Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 08:02 AM
*!*

Twenty-nine posts later, and finally someone takes this topic seriously. Wally the space dolphin awards you a ton of space fish for your troubles.

http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Okay. My favorite art form has to be writing, with my leathercrafts coming in a distant second. I used to draw with pen-and-ink, but it's been awhile. Even longer since I did ceramics and painting (highschool.)

My most unique hobby, which could be considered art, is kit-bashing my own star-warsy spaceship models. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Gold leader
02-13-2001, 08:34 AM
*eats a space fish*
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*pukes*

On a more serious note; This week's philosophical question: what's the definition of art? What makes art art?

The best answer will be rewarded with a ton of space fish (minus one).

Vark111
02-13-2001, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Gold leader:
What makes art art?

It was invented by my dad, whose name is Art. Otherwise it would be called "Bob". http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm2/cwm27.gif

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It takes all kinds... The question is, what is 'it'?

rosencrantz
02-13-2001, 04:42 PM
my real fav. art form is painting (not my own. i dont paint).

what indeed is art...here are my thoughts:

*"art" is decided by art critics, curators, collectors...the general public really has no say.
*there are 2 realms to the "art world"---the "art world", which is, like, common everyday prints (ex robert bateman) and the "Art World", which is supposedly higher forms of art.
*there are no universal qualities that make a work of art "art". works of art are society specific. they are ethnocentric.
*a work of art isn't considered "art" until it's in an aesthetic space (i.e. museum, gallery, etc.)
*this dude named danto says this: "it must have a subject that is not itself" if you get that http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

and that is all. *phew* what a loaded question. philosophers have debated that for years. anyone ever read plato's Republic?

Nute Gunray
02-13-2001, 04:43 PM
I've been told I'm an artistic person, but I don't think I am. I have no skill at translating the things in my head into a physical representation. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/frown.gif
Even in my writing I don't think I come off well. People say it's really good and stuff, but it's a pale shadow of what's in my head. In my *true* pet project (a novel), there's no possible way that it can be put onto paper and still be as epic as it is in my mind. Not even made into a movie could it achieve it's full vastness.

[This message has been edited by Nute Gunray (edited February 13, 2001).]

Admiral
02-13-2001, 06:49 PM
I like the rainbow.

I like art of war.

Ros, I also read a lot. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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Cmdr. Cracken
02-13-2001, 07:29 PM
Personally, i like the art of music. The flow, and eb of sound is amazing.

but these young punks think they can pull music out thier ass.

Zoom Rabbit
02-13-2001, 07:52 PM
I thought that was called 'lint.'

Art? http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif I think art is anything that touches you. I find art in nature, art the works of people. Art...for me, anyway, is one of those things that is in the eye of the beholder.

Keep the fish, though. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif I already had to unload it once.

emupiett
02-13-2001, 09:11 PM
Hey Cmdr., I agree with you. Music is also my favorite art form. But "pop" musicians do not make art.

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Zargon
02-13-2001, 11:24 PM
war and music

Rogue Nine
02-13-2001, 11:27 PM
Great minds think alike, Zarg.

Thrawn
02-13-2001, 11:41 PM
*walks in*
What are we talking about?

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JR2000Z
02-13-2001, 11:56 PM
No idea.

Admiral
02-14-2001, 01:00 AM
I posted but don't know the topic http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

R9 are you saying Zargon is dumb. that isn't nice. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

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rosencrantz
02-14-2001, 02:59 AM
yo nutiferous i hate that feeling of not being able to express yourself. like you know you have something to share, but feel like you can't ever begin to express it nearly as wonderful as it is in your mind.

our minds are amazing then, don't you think? if "art" is a mere representation, even a poor one at that, of what someone sees in their mind's eye...

Nute Gunray
02-14-2001, 03:07 AM
it is sad.
I could devote pages to describing a single fighter's movement to engage an enemy fighter in my novel, but it would never be exactly, or even close, to how *I* see it.

Zoom Rabbit
02-14-2001, 05:31 AM
I think the kind of art form we're wishing for here won't be available until our technology is much, much advanced--and the human mind with it. Only when we have direct interaction between mind and technology will we be able to recreate the stuff that can be seen in the mind's eye.

When we have holodecks like Star Trek, I think we'll be getting closer to having enough control of artistic medium to supplant the viewer's environment altogether. Can you imagine the videogames and novels, the interactive documentaries that will be possible? Instead of trying to describe the assassination of JFK (for example) we will be able to take the whole class there, for a field trip.

And the abstract art will be incredible! Holographic pieces would be coordinated to impact on all senses. But as I was saying at the beginning, the truly stunning artistic expression won't be possible until we can directly connect our minds and communicate what our mind's eye can perceive.

Suddenly people might not think mystics were crazy after all. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

The science fiction adventures possible in such a future would be fantastic. Why go watch Star Wars when you could actually join the Rebel Alliance and help take out the Death Star yourself?

Ah, but this is just the year 2001. *Sigh.*

*(Goes and plays videogames.)*

Zoom Rabbit
02-14-2001, 10:29 AM
And I don't think war is so much an art as it is a craft...at least not in the context in which we're using the word 'art' here. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/rolleyes.gif

Otherwise, I agree with what y'all are saying, re the Sun Tzu. I just read Musashi's Book of Five Rings recently, a work which goes a long way to show how the craft of fighting can be useful when applied to other areas of life, even peaceful ones. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

Musashi? Seventeenth-century samurai warrior and zen master. Don't mess with samurai! http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/eek.gif Getting back on track...the samurai--and Musashi was a good example of this--practiced painting, flower arranging* and haiku (just to mention a few popular arts of the period) as a means of developing their concentration. The act of expressing themselves creatively brought about clarity of mind which could be carried over into another craft...warfare.

And just for the record, Wally's favorite art is nude Swedish hermaphrodite midget jell-o wrestling. I tried telling him that was a sport, but there's no talking to space dolphins...

<font size=1>*Go ahead and make fun of a samurai while he's making flower arrangements--see what happens.</font> http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Flying Beastie
02-14-2001, 02:00 PM
My favourite art would have to be writing, both prose and poetry (that's why I do it), but I also love music (especially instrumentals), and painting/photography.

Basically anything that blurs the lines between reality and unreality (either fantasy, mythology, fiction, or dream-logic).

This is why much of my writing is set "between the cracks and in the shadows." The worlds I write could be real, because the action is secret from most of the world.

You can walk out on the street and imagine that that guy across the street is really a dragon shape-shifted into a human, or that that cute girl at the pizza place is really a 1000-year-old Faerie Sorceress, or that your english teacher is also a practicing sorceror who routinely summons the ancient gods.

For me, art is mastery. A true artist has no limits. He or she can accomplish anything in any way. Like a samurai who can fight equally well without his sword and armour, or who can stand on equal footing with trained ninja.

The hierarchy is: Novice, Journeyman, Expert, Master, Artist.

"If you can fight, you can dance." --Mr. Miyagi (The New Karate Kid)

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Nute Gunray
02-14-2001, 02:35 PM
I liked Sun Pin's Military Methods more than Sun Tzu's The Art of War.

rosencrantz
02-14-2001, 05:12 PM
!!!! i forgetted about photography!! also a favorite art form. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Zoom Rabbit
02-14-2001, 08:26 PM
*(Takes Rosie's picture.)*

http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

rosencrantz
02-15-2001, 05:21 AM
<font color="pink"> *startled* HEY! you can't do that!</font color="pink">
<font color="red">i'm blinded! *stumbles around* </font color="red"> <font size=1>

[This message has been edited by rosencrantz (edited February 15, 2001).]

Zoom Rabbit
02-15-2001, 08:17 AM
Quick, use your echolocation abilities, Ros!

What did I tell you about navigating by visual stimuli alone? http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Zoom Rabbit
02-15-2001, 11:34 AM
I think that 'art' can be safely taken into a broader context and defined as any way we choose to express ourselves.

Note: I dismiss the dictionary out of hand when it comes to quibbling definition. We learn the meanings of words from context or rote as we're growing up; almost none of the words we use did we go to a dictionary to learn the precise definition thereof. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm2/Up_to_something.gif

A lot of people will say that they aren't artistic, yet do find self-expression in ways they simply hadn't considered art. Someone who can't draw a straight line might keep poems in their journal. Some people express themselves in how they decorate their homes. A lot of people have recipes they've made up, but would never consider serving to guests at home because it 'probably isn't good enough.'

Perhaps art is something we need as intelligent creatures. Maybe that intelligence generates results we are compelled somehow to convey to others.

Like when I draw a happy face in a dirty window. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/smile.gif Art.

Admiral
02-15-2001, 07:30 PM
I decorate my room with weapons http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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"Dulce bellum inexpertis."
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Zoom Rabbit
02-15-2001, 08:53 PM
I decorate my weapons with leather and beads. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Rogue 9
02-15-2001, 08:56 PM
was someone here know as Imladil in a previous life.


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Zoom Rabbit
02-15-2001, 09:05 PM
Yes.

Attention: we have another Rogue Squadron alumnus in the House!

Welcome, human. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif Don't mind the weasels--we haven't gotten around to spraying yet.

Rogue 9
02-15-2001, 09:31 PM
aha I have found the missing Imladil, why don't you come visit us some time. we feel abandoned as most of the old posters are gone and we can't seem to encorage them to come back. we have alot of new pilots thow

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Flying Beastie
02-15-2001, 11:14 PM
*looking at the picture Zoom just took*

Um, y'know, Zoomie, in this pic Rosie looks a lot like . . . your thumb. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/rolleyes.gif

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"Humans do eat monkeys. In fact humans eat other humans. . . Y'know, as a species, we are really quite unpleasant."

Admiral Zaarin
02-15-2001, 11:39 PM
My favourite art forms would have to be music and writing.

Music (note 'Music', not it's modern variant 'speaking/screaming with a tune in the background') is just so inspirational. Each song is it's own world. When I write, I have to listen to a tune like that. Try listening to Haydn's 'Kyrie Eleison', the first piece in the Nelson Mass. That is one truly l33t tune.

And Nute, I can really sympathise with you about writing. The scale of your imagination just can't be conveyed in words. Vast universes, yet deseigned down to the tinyest detail. (BTW, if anyone happens to see a story out there called 'Apocalypse Portal', that's me) <pre></shameless self-promotion></pre>

Zaarin.

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And what of the Director's Lenses?

The logs show they fled the scene in a shuttle. That is all the information we have sir, there is a high probability that the shuttle was destroyed in the battle.

A shame.....but we'll buy George Lucas another pair of glasses.

[This message has been edited by Admiral Zaarin (edited February 15, 2001).]

Zoom Rabbit
02-16-2001, 08:37 AM
If I paint the Washington monument pink, is that art?

What is its subject?

rosencrantz
02-16-2001, 12:47 PM
i actually think graffiti art is totally cool. as long as its not on me http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

JR2000Z
02-16-2001, 05:59 PM
No, only hippies do that.

Zoom Rabbit
02-16-2001, 07:46 PM
*(Draws a peace sign on JR's forehead.)*

HIPPY!!! http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Admiral
02-17-2001, 12:08 AM
death to hippies...... http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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"Dulce bellum inexpertis."
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Admiral
02-17-2001, 12:12 AM
just saw only 96 post to go


sweet. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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"Dulce bellum inexpertis."
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Psycho Tycho
02-17-2001, 02:46 AM
Peace, love, joy... Coca-Cola.

Zoom Rabbit
02-18-2001, 09:17 PM
Sure. Coca-Cola was art...at least according to Andy Warhol. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif Personally, I think Andy Warhol's hair was art.

I'm curious about your book, Nute. I had a novel (sci-fi obviously) that I worked on a lot when I was younger. It got way too big, and I abandoned it. I later picked it up again in my twenties, reworked the characters and such into something more manageable...but it, too, got to be too much story for me to finish.

Sound familiar? http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif

Commander 598
02-18-2001, 09:27 PM
Your(Meaningless)life?

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Zoom Rabbit
02-18-2001, 09:33 PM
I got this neat new hand-held EMP emitter. Let's see what effect it has on the good commander's robot physiology!

*FZAP--!*

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Zoom Rabbit
02-18-2001, 09:41 PM
Yup. He all brokey.

*(Pushes robot over.)*

Commander 598
02-18-2001, 09:53 PM
*A TIE ADvanced hovers behind Zoom and takes shots at his A-Wing*

The Imperial Remanent's good ole 154th Interceptor Squadron now TIE Advanced Squadron due to the ole Vong threat.
The best(And even better than the 128th)

And look its the Chimaera!(I think I spelled it right)

Thrawns good ole SD.

And lets not forget memory being saved and restored in an EMP Proof body.

*Hops out of a shuttle and ignites a green saber*

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Zoom Rabbit
02-18-2001, 10:01 PM
*(Quickly downloads himself into the Borg collective, imposes his own will upon it and brings the collected power of billions of cybernetic organisms to bear on the matter at hand.)*

http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Commander 598
02-18-2001, 10:40 PM
*Drops planet on Zoom*
Thats what you get for messin with an multi-universal being.

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Commander 598
02-18-2001, 11:06 PM
I wish I cout take you on in a dogfight...
(Check new sig)

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Admiral
02-19-2001, 12:49 AM
http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif that is funny

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"Dulce bellum inexpertis."
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Zoom Rabbit
02-19-2001, 02:24 AM
You can't drop a planet on the entire Borg collective, whose territory covers a vast stretch of the Delta Quadrant. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/rolleyes.gif

Hey, waitaminute...the TIE/A is my alternate ship!!! http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif I'd take you on in mine!

<font color=green>*ZAP-ZAP! ZAP-ZAP! ZAP-ZAP--!*</font> *(Drains shield charge directly into robot's aft shields via laser cannon.)* <font color=red>*Boom!*</font>

http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif All brokey again.

Commander 598
02-19-2001, 01:19 PM
*Drops galaxy on Zoom*
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[i]"Oh, yes I did shoot that green s**t at you!"

Cmdr. Cracken
02-19-2001, 01:22 PM
That would do nothing. Since Galaxies are made up of mostly empty space, with great distances between starts, the only thing you could possible do is shift the gravitational forces around a smidge.

Rogue Nine
02-19-2001, 01:23 PM
Lookit the Crackman, busting out the knowledge!

How are ya, guy?

Admiral
02-19-2001, 03:54 PM
http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif, I find this really amusing. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

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"Dulce bellum inexpertis."
(Sweet is war to those who have never experinced it.) Roman Proverb

Zoom Rabbit
02-19-2001, 11:04 PM
Quit it! *Ow!* Quit dropping galaxies on me! Mom--!

http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/wink.gif Hee-hee-hee...

Cmdr. Cracken
02-20-2001, 03:53 AM
I'm good. working alot though.

Zoom Rabbit
02-21-2001, 08:36 PM
Attention: the results are in for Wally's survey!

'Art is not what sucks.'

Thank youse for participating. http://www.xwingalliance.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Admiral
02-22-2001, 04:01 AM
fine you are what sucks. j/k you left yourself open and I had to take it.

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"Dulce bellum inexpertis."
(Sweet is war to those who have never experinced it.) Roman Proverb

Gold leader
02-22-2001, 08:39 AM
Excellent conclusion Wally!
'Art is not what sucks.'

Example: Beer does not suck. Thus beer is art.

Well done. You get a A- for your survey.