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ZerooftheFour
06-05-2006, 06:09 PM
im just wondering what comands would be needed to get a good realistic saber effect, when i play ojp on my own,its sorta like a hold mouse one and two noobfest, and im not sure how would i get a more real effect so that you have to conserve bp and it takes some knowledge and skill to fight, all in all the mod is great for co op and such, but i dont understand the point in a FFA, can i get some commands to maybe give a better version of a good saber system?

JRHockney*
06-05-2006, 07:09 PM
im just wondering what comands would be needed to get a good realistic saber effect, when i play ojp on my own,its sorta like a hold mouse one and two noobfest, and im not sure how would i get a more real effect so that you have to conserve bp and it takes some knowledge and skill to fight, all in all the mod is great for co op and such, but i dont understand the point in a FFA, can i get some commands to maybe give a better version of a good saber system?

Have you read the saber system manual? That will tell you most of what you need to know on how to conserve DP. Parrying reduces the amount of DP used in a hit greatly. It use to not cost any DP, but we changed it and several other things because enough damage wasn't being done and fights were too long.

Also, there are a few things different in the saber manual from the new code that's at the freepository. If your playing using that code, go to the code server thread to see what changes have been made.

hold mouse one and two noobfest
Whoa, wait a minute. Your are using 0.0.9a or b right? This comment sounds like the gameplay of 0.0.7. Although, if you are using the new code, I can think you might be talking about the new attack fake. I agree its a little spamy, but against a human opponent, its a bit harder to use because they can anticipate and swing at most of them. Although I would agree that the attack fake needs a little modification.

ensiform
06-05-2006, 10:47 PM
well holding mouse one and two would make me not move because of how my layout is :)

mouse 1 - forward
mouse 2 - back

Vruki Salet
06-05-2006, 11:29 PM
Lol it would make me swing my saber while I jump.

Or wait together they're a special, uh the butterfly staff attack and suchlike.

UDM
06-05-2006, 11:37 PM
Nice config vruki! I used to bind jump to RMB in my deathmatch games like Quake, but in games where secondary fire is important, I can't =\

Maxstate
06-06-2006, 04:30 AM
Having a 5 button mouse is handy: I use my mouse wheel BUTTON to change styles, mouse button 4 for Push and mouse button 5 for pull. If I dont have them I just change the keys to other **** Im going to be using a lot , like npc spawn protocol :D

JRHockney*
06-06-2006, 04:48 AM
Having a 5 button mouse is handy: I use my mouse wheel BUTTON to change styles, mouse button 4 for Push and mouse button 5 for pull. If I dont have them I just change the keys to other **** Im going to be using a lot , like npc spawn protocol :D

The last five button mouse I had didnt work. The extra buttons did nothing and I couldnt assign them anything. What kind of mouse do you have?

Maxstate
06-06-2006, 04:55 AM
The last five button mouse I had didnt work. The extra buttons did nothing and I couldnt assign them anything. What kind of mouse do you have?
Its a wireless Medion mouse, pretty bulky. Cant find any pics, sorry.

UDM
06-06-2006, 09:54 AM
Yeah I had a 5 button mouse too, but that was really old school, so I doubt that'd work too. Nevertheless, having 5 buttons to play with is really cool! I really hate jumping with spacebar lol

razorace
06-06-2006, 02:35 PM
And then the derailed thread fell off a cliff. :)

Maxstate
06-06-2006, 03:16 PM
And then the derailed thread fell off a cliff. :)
OH NOES!
Aniwai, I've got my own saberflash mod.

Vruki Salet
06-06-2006, 03:33 PM
OK well then can any of the local pros get back to helping ZerooftheFour?

Maxstate
06-06-2006, 05:02 PM
What you're experiencing, zero, is what most former mb players (!) experience when they play OJP, I believe.
I think you're saying that the system seems random, a click-and-spam fest, Im not going to argue with you there, it did for me as well.

There are a couple of things players need to do and know before they start developing saber skills in OJP, I' ll list them. Not to boast, but I've seen a fair share of swordplay systems in the few years I've been playing games that involve it, I've even written 2 guides on one of them, if any of you ever feel like they would like to learn, train or spar with me, you can always leave a pm. Though there's a 3 week waiting list :p Im in the middle of moving and this may be my final days with my current internet connection.

Now, not to steer completely away from what I said, here come the tips:

-Forget everything you've learned; saber combat is not Slash-block-slash-block-slash-block, it never was. In ojp, saber combat requires not only reflexes, but a strategic mind and quick wits as well. You will find that the system, -altough not intentionally-, is very true to the "7 forms of lightsaber combat". For example,a lot of new slash-blockers will try to block everything you throw at them, which most of the time will work, but will have them fall into the vicious circle called Soresu. You WILL be able to defend yourself throughout the duration of the duel but you WILL NOT have enough dp nor fp to counter your opponent or to fight back.

There is no "Block button", I too have woed for this fact untill it hit me; we dont need one! Let me tell you how I see it, and it may help you:
My movement buttons are my blocking buttons, blocking and parrying requires active thinking to work, Im always fully concentrated when doing it.
But, I never ever forget that ONLY blocking just doesn't work if you want to be the victor. I combine attack and defense into one mix; I attack my opponent and read his moves, I change my own attacks, movement and position to perfectly mirror his which results in me blocking him.

-Parrying/blocking requires you to move into your opponents slash:
*from a 3rd person view*
. If your enemies saber hits your head, from the left, you move backwards and left diagonally.

. If your enemies saber hits you in the leg, from the left, you move forwards and left diagonally.

.If your enemies saber hits your side, from the left, you move left.

The same goes with attacks to your right side, just switch " left" with "right".

-There are 3 ways of parrying/blocking an attack.
It could be helpful to identify your style using the 7 forms, because it usually helps you to find a parrying method to suit your fighting style.

::You can move your saber infront of your enemies using a fake (tap yourmouse button)

::You can move your saber infront of your enemies using a slash

::you can use the movement blocking technique above

::In 010 you can also combine movement and fakes/slashes into one parry called an attack parry. You parry like explained in @ the movement blocking section, but you also fake in the second the saber hits your body.
I personally use this even in 009.

-Special attacks.
Special attacks are there for a reason, so are acrobatics, use them.
Lunge, DFA, cartwheels, wallruns, force powers, they can determine the end of any battle. For example using a lunge or dfa on a bounced person can decimate his dp if done correctly. I especially love the DFA because it opens up new back whack attacks which *I think* drain more dp damage.

Any other questions? Ill be right here. Enjoy.

JRHockney*
06-06-2006, 07:01 PM
What you're experiencing, zero, is what most former mb players (!) experience when they play OJP, I believe.
I think you're saying that the system seems random, a click-and-spam fest, Im not going to argue with you there, it did for me as well.

There are a couple of things players need to do and know before they start developing saber skills in OJP, I' ll list them. Not to boast, but I've seen a fair share of swordplay systems in the few years I've been playing games that involve it, I've even written 2 guides on one of them, if any of you ever feel like they would like to learn, train or spar with me, you can always leave a pm. Though there's a 3 week waiting list :p Im in the middle of moving and this may be my final days with my current internet connection.

Now, not to steer completely away from what I said, here come the tips:

-Forget everything you've learned; saber combat is not Slash-block-slash-block-slash-block, it never was. In ojp, saber combat requires not only reflexes, but a strategic mind and quick wits as well. You will find that the system, -altough not intentionally-, is very true to the "7 forms of lightsaber combat". For example,a lot of new slash-blockers will try to block everything you throw at them, which most of the time will work, but will have them fall into the vicious circle called Soresu. You WILL be able to defend yourself throughout the duration of the duel but you WILL NOT have enough dp nor fp to counter your opponent or to fight back.

There is no "Block button", I too have woed for this fact untill it hit me; we dont need one! Let me tell you how I see it, and it may help you:
My movement buttons are my blocking buttons, blocking and parrying requires active thinking to work, Im always fully concentrated when doing it.
But, I never ever forget that ONLY blocking just doesn't work if you want to be the victor. I combine attack and defense into one mix; I attack my opponent and read his moves, I change my own attacks, movement and position to perfectly mirror his which results in me blocking him.

-Parrying/blocking requires you to move into your opponents slash:
*from a 3rd person view*
. If your enemies saber hits your head, from the left, you move backwards and left diagonally.

. If your enemies saber hits you in the leg, from the left, you move forwards and left diagonally.

.If your enemies saber hits your side, from the left, you move left.

The same goes with attacks to your right side, just switch " left" with "right".

-There are 3 ways of parrying/blocking an attack.
It could be helpful to identify your style using the 7 forms, because it usually helps you to find a parrying method to suit your fighting style.

::You can move your saber infront of your enemies using a fake (tap yourmouse button)

::You can move your saber infront of your enemies using a slash

::you can use the movement blocking technique above

::In 010 you can also combine movement and fakes/slashes into one parry called an attack parry. You parry like explained in @ the movement blocking section, but you also fake in the second the saber hits your body.
I personally use this even in 009.

-Special attacks.
Special attacks are there for a reason, so are acrobatics, use them.
Lunge, DFA, cartwheels, wallruns, force powers, they can determine the end of any battle. For example using a lunge or dfa on a bounced person can decimate his dp if done correctly. I especially love the DFA because it opens up new back whack attacks which *I think* drain more dp damage.

Any other questions? Ill be right here. Enjoy.

What he said. :hoops1:

ZerooftheFour
06-06-2006, 09:12 PM
ill host my server on ojp one of these days, its an american server hosted in texas, and maybe we can assign a training day for this poor noob lol, cause me and few friends played OJP and we had a spam fest and our saber duels lasted for minutes, and all we did was co op since it was very well done, only a very proplems we met like tavion doesnt die and getting rosh is buggy

JRHockney*
06-06-2006, 11:15 PM
ill host my server on ojp one of these days, its an american server hosted in texas, and maybe we can assign a training day for this poor noob lol, cause me and few friends played OJP and we had a spam fest and our saber duels lasted for minutes, and all we did was co op since it was very well done, only a very proplems we met like tavion doesnt die and getting rosh is buggy

That would be great! Ever since the code server shutdown and the Tharagon server disappeared, us americans haven't had a place to dual where our ping is low. Can you give us an IP address?

I havent even fought tavion yet because I didn't know we had that cood mission available. I'll haved to check it out.

ZerooftheFour
06-06-2006, 11:26 PM
well, the ip is 207.210.238.206 but it runs mb2 alot because thats where i get alot of members, but i have accsess to console and all the uploads to it, so all i need to do is upload the new ojp version run it and that about it, awesomeing the .so linux file is in the mod there will be no proplem hosting a 32 man server from time to time

JRHockney*
06-06-2006, 11:37 PM
well, the ip is 207.210.238.206 but it runs mb2 alot because thats where i get alot of members, but i have accsess to console and all the uploads to it, so all i need to do is upload the new ojp version run it and that about it, awesomeing the .so linux file is in the mod there will be no proplem hosting a 32 man server from time to time

Cool. You might want to mention this in the "List your Enhanced servers here" thread and mention that it wont always be on Enhanced.

Maxstate
06-07-2006, 04:40 AM
MB2! I knew it! Your pleas just reaked of MB2-ness :D

Darth Cariss
06-07-2006, 05:20 AM
It seems like most OJP Players come from MB. :P

But yeah, Zero. I'd love to play OJP on your server. I'm always wondering if I'd do better if I wasn't lagging. Heheh...

ZerooftheFour
06-07-2006, 03:14 PM
in general what time do u guys play OJP?

JRHockney*
06-07-2006, 05:26 PM
in general what time do u guys play OJP?

It really depends. Me, Jack, Razor, and Cariss often play at night but maxstate and menion and a few others usually play in the morning (probably the night for them). It varies.

The best things you can do to make sure other players are around are to PM other players and get their IM's or just use the scheduling thread.

Btw, I now have MSN messenger for those of you who want My address, just PM me. I will be gone for two weeks after tomarrow just to let you know.

Maxstate
06-07-2006, 05:37 PM
DUDES GREAT NEWS ZOMGAWT.

JKA and OJP do not require registry keys to play!

In leymans terms, that means I can play it by having the folder on my computer. Long story short, I had to re-install windows because my old one was .. compromised. Resulted in having every program I installed still on my pc but without it being connected by the registry, I knew it was going to happen but I had a "I cant care less" attitude then. I thought I could just burn all my **** to cd before I reformat and install a better version of Windows, well now whenever I try to burn anything it just stops at 6%, just stops working.

Though Im not stressing, Im thinking of hooking my burner to a different computer to burn the windows cd and I could always hook up my hard drive to the same computer to burn important files.

Sorry for the incoherent rant, up to more pressing matters.
Im still moving, though my parents have (as I mentioned) left me at our old house since I have some unfinished business left here. Im leaving saturday and its going to take awhile before I can get playing again, different ISP and all (This is a great time to finally get started with the MB DoS that was planned kekeke).

If anyone wants to play, tell me now, Im going to be up all night.

JRHockney*
06-07-2006, 05:58 PM
If anyone wants to play, tell me now, Im going to be up all night.

I could probably play for a little bit. I'm assuming its night where your at right now, right?

Maxstate
06-07-2006, 06:01 PM
I could probably play for a little bit. I'm assuming its night where your at right now, right?

Yeah, its exactly eleven o' clock. ****ty thing is, bob just told me that the euro OJP server is down because someone decided it would be a good thing to shut down the server pc. It'll be up by tomorrow I hope, I dont know if there are any other servers left?

JRHockney*
06-07-2006, 06:04 PM
Yeah, its exactly eleven o' clock. ****ty thing is, bob just told me that the euro OJP server is down because someone decided it would be a good thing to shut down the server pc. It'll be up by tomorrow I hope, I dont know if there are any other servers left?

Unless Zoo has that Texas server up, I doubt it. I haven't seen the tharagon in a while. I'll check.

Edit: Yeah, I didn't see any when I just checked. Bummer.

Vruki Salet
06-07-2006, 07:53 PM
I don't know if my connection is good enough but I'll put a server up just for the heck of it that you can try. I won't be around any time soon but you're welcome to try connecting to it. Let me know here if you have any problems. Oh it's devmapped (cheats enabled) so you can mess around but be good! The IP is 72.224.187.170. I don't know if it'll show up in the servers list (maybe I don't have all the ports open?) but I used to have friends join me from the internet so it might work anyway.

That's 72.224.187.170, default port.

JRHockney*
06-07-2006, 11:40 PM
I don't know if my connection is good enough but I'll put a server up just for the heck of it that you can try. I won't be around any time soon but you're welcome to try connecting to it. Let me know here if you have any problems. Oh it's devmapped (cheats enabled) so you can mess around but be good! The IP is 72.224.187.170. I don't know if it'll show up in the servers list (maybe I don't have all the ports open?) but I used to have friends join me from the internet so it might work anyway.

That's 72.224.187.170, default port.

Yeah that would great. We're running very low on Enhanced servers, so if you could run Enhanced when you're not needing it for something else, that would be awsome. Lack of servers has always been the biggest complaint when new people try it.

Vruki Salet
06-07-2006, 11:47 PM
I just saw you connect but you disconnected before I could join. So how was the ping and lag?

I guess you didn't see my say hi through the server console.

ZerooftheFour
06-08-2006, 04:15 PM
sorry parents where being bitches to me yesterday but its up today and ill keep it up for the whole day, and possibly till saturday, but sunday its got to go back to MB2 because a good friend of mine is having a clan match and he doesnt have a server

Vruki Salet
06-08-2006, 04:33 PM
Hmm don't speak about your parents that way - that's good advice you'll realize soon enough. (Especially when you get kids of your own lol.)

JRHockney*
06-08-2006, 04:46 PM
sorry parents where being bitches to me yesterday but its up today and ill keep it up for the whole day, and possibly till saturday, but sunday its got to go back to MB2 because a good friend of mine is having a clan match and he doesnt have a server

Thanks for the use of the server. Every little bit helps. Be sure to post it at the new OJP servers thread

Everyone be sure to play alot while I'm gone and maybe get some new players. I Expect to see this community thriving by the time I get back! LOL And someone be sure to post the new build at JK3files when the new build comes out.

ZerooftheFour
06-08-2006, 04:56 PM
o and if server apears to be not up, wait about 5 mins, im messing it up by like spawning npcs and going to co op maps not supported, and its restarting

ZerooftheFour
06-08-2006, 10:11 PM
ok im going to be on server tonight with a few friends i hope, im trying to get a ojp project party started lol, your all invited im at the server and the time is about 6 pm PST

ZerooftheFour
06-09-2006, 12:14 AM
since no one has been on, im putting it back on mb2, once some of you do get on, please xfire me at zero95316,ill try and check ever hour or so