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06-22-2006, 07:32 PM
Do you mostly use the PC, or do you mostly use the NPCs?
Even though the KotOR games are based upon the PC, do you constantly use the PC, or do you use the NPC the majority of the time?
When it comes to KotOR I, I have never used:
When it comes to KotOR II, I have never used:
Second part, who do you use the most out of the NPCs?
This is an interesting topic. I use the PC about 97% of the time in both games when it doesn't require me to use another party member.
Not sure who I've used the most of the Party Members if you don't count times when you have to be any of 'em. If I use them in any way, I just set their attacks and then switch back to my PC.
Great topic! :D
06-22-2006, 09:31 PM
I tend to use the pc all the time, npcs Ill just switch to them quick while paused to activate shields, buffs, or crowd control force powers (stasis field, insanity).
KOTOR npcs I never use:
TSL npcs I never use:
Hanhaar (I always try to get Mira whether light or dark side)
HK (I just dont find him that useful compared to Mira and Atton for ranged)
*edit* i forgot about G0-T0... prolly cause i always ignore him completely while playing
KOTOR npcs I use the most:
Bastila (shes always in my party if I can help it)
TSL npcs I use the most:
^^my favorite party^^
06-22-2006, 09:54 PM
T3M4 (Useless except for getting into the Sith Base on Taris)
Juhani (especially since her quest is bugged)
GOTO (The one part of the story that I dislike. I would rather have Disciple.)
Hanhaar (I use a mod to get Mira whether light or dark side)
06-23-2006, 05:41 AM
I always use my main characther, except in battles, and in the begining of Kotor i use Carths lockpick on doors
Kotor - T3M4
TSL - GOTO and T3M4
The one i use if diffrent, i trying to variate the game so much i can
06-23-2006, 12:40 PM
Am I the only one who loves running with droids? Especially Hk and T3. I admit I actually love to diversify myself all the time.
As far as running the NPC's I find that I do this alot in K1 when I'm not using a modded character class routine. I will overly specialize different NPC's in different tasks and beef my character in persuade. I really love having a heavy blaster assault force like HK & Candy in K1 and sitting back and blasting while the PC is on auto pilot.
In K2 I find that there is very little need to switch as more of the game is built on story and less skill based challenges.
06-23-2006, 02:03 PM
Another good Topic.
When it comes to KOTOR I, I have never used:
When it comes to KOTOR II, I have never used:
2. Canderous (Mandalore)
06-23-2006, 02:33 PM
Quite an interesting topic. I use the PC most of the time, because he always has the most powerful attacks and weapons in my party.
Kotor NPCs I use (most to least):
Bastila(I always keep her around)
HK(Tatooine mostly, and Rakata)
Zaalbar(Only on Kashyyk)
T3(Rots in my ship)
Kotor II NPCs I use (ranked most to least):
Non-Jedi Mira (Or Hanharr)
Non-Jedi Bao Dur
Kotor II NPCs I use after Jedi Conversions:
Jedi Bao Dur
T3 hates it when I play, because he knows that he will stay on the ship the entire game.
06-23-2006, 03:56 PM
I only use my character and take two party members simply to have backup when I get into a fight. As for which party members have I taken with me most of the time, it's sort of like this:
In both KoTOR and TSL I've used HK-47.
In KoTOR I've rarely (practically never) used Zaalbar, or Juhani, or T3.
In TSL I've rarely (practically never) used G0-T0, T3, Kreia, or Atton.
06-23-2006, 04:40 PM
Usually the PC except when required to use someone else for something or when I'm doing sidequests. It all depends on whether I'm playing DS or LS as to who makes the landing parties. I usually use all-Jedi parties or at least all-melee parties because I really can't stand the constant blaster sounds.
HK is constantly by my side when I'm DS, Kreia I generally only have around for Jedi support when there's no one else present, Atton rarely makes the grade, Bao-Dur only leaves the ship when I do his influence bits as he's a total wimp and I get sick of him constantly dying on me, Carth...well I'd just kill him on Taris and get it over with if I could. The wookies are good meat tanks properly kitted up, so I use them for variation sometimes, but my usual parties are all-jedi affairs--Bastila, Jolee, Juhani, Visas, etc etc etc.
07-03-2006, 06:42 PM
My fave parties, being a LS female:
2. Bao-Dur (first half), Mandalore (second half)
What can I say? I love my KotOR men.
I do switch out party members relatively frequently, however, because I like to get the various dialogues and quips, or influence pts. Jolee is quite funny, for one. But I try to keep Carth and Atton with me as much as possible. Romance always!
The NPCs I rarely ever -- or never -- use are Zaalbar (he's powerful but just not enough personality), Hanhaar (I also snag Mira even if I'm playing DS Exile), and G0-T0.
I generally play all PC in KotOR 1, but in TSL I like to switch to Atton for my demolitions/stealth stuff, and Bao-Dur for tech stuff. When I've got a consular/master PC I'll sometimes switch out in a fight to let my Exile auto-buff everyone so I don't have to go through the bother of queueing up the force powers.
I don't know what the deal is with people thinking Bao-Dur is a wimp -- even when I didn't use mods or hold levels for the jedi progression I thought he was great -- well, holding levels can make it tricky, but I just gave my boys blasters and tanked by myself. Maybe it's because I always get the toughness feats asap, and I don't mind using the med packs or force heals when needed. I have rarely ever had party members "die" on me.
07-03-2006, 09:16 PM
Bao-Dur was the only one I really had that problem with. I dunno what was up with him, it seemed like every thirty seconds I'd get the dead-party-member autopause when he was around. Granted, I think I only managed to jedify him once or twice, and the only time I really used him was generally on Telos when your characters are still relatively weak, but yeah, I was really disappointed that they give you a party member from the same species as Darth Maul and make him a wimp techie. I very rarely gave my PC the full LS-buff treatment, usually leaving that job to Kreia. And almost every single time on Telos, when you reach the entrance to the underground base and have to mow down that mob of mercs, all my party members would race off and chase totally different groups of baddies. Even when I micromanaged them and queued up all their attacks, they always suddenly became moderately retarded AI entities who need to be babysat 24/7. It was always RIGHT THERE, nowhere else. Dunno what that was about...bizarre.
07-03-2006, 10:27 PM
And almost every single time on Telos, when you reach the entrance to the underground base and have to mow down that mob of mercs, all my party members would race off and chase totally different groups of baddies. Even when I micromanaged them and queued up all their attacks, they always suddenly became moderately retarded AI entities who need to be babysat 24/7. It was always RIGHT THERE, nowhere else. Dunno what that was about...bizarre.
Yea, that's where I'd had problems, as well. Switching your party members to the "stationary" behavior should put a leash on them while in battle. They'll still move a bit if enemies are nearby but they won't run all the way across the field.
I also disliked it greatly when I tried to arrange to reclaim a couple of mines set in front of the enemies but my party members would run full-tilt right through them all. Stationary behavior works great there, too, and switch to ranged weapons. Or if it looked like it was too late I'd use Stun Droid to set the mines off before my ppl got too deep.
I'm curious now to play without making my party members into Jedi, or maybe just leveling normally to about 15 and then converting them. Story-wise that might make better sense, not training students until I make my prestige class. I just love watching Bao-Dur force jump huge distances, so I try to get him as many guardian levels as I can.
07-03-2006, 11:47 PM
In KOTOR, I use my NPC's to open doors, make repairs, and do other things related to skills my PC is not good at. I especially use Mission a lot to handle mines. For tough battles, I will queue up their combat actions. Other than that, I use the PC all the way.
For TSL, I love to use Mira to clear out the Ubese. I get a strange satisfaction out of using stealth, mines, and blasters to clear out the whole level (including Hanharr) while taking no damage. Other than that, I only use the NPC's for the times when the game forces it. It is fun to play the others, but the game gives me enough.
Jabba da Butt
07-23-2006, 11:15 PM
I kno this is a pretty old thread,but im posting my two cents anyway. I usually use a team of two jedi and a gunman for backup fire. Example:in Kotor 2 Hk-47 and deciple/ handaiden/ Visas (Depending on who I have at the moment). In kotor 1:Hk and Bastila all the way. Or sometimes bastila and jolee cuz I like Jolee so much.
P.S. I love all the droids the most, (HK, T3, and yes, even G0T0), but I usually just keep Hk in my party as I like to have at least one other jedi with me.
Oh, and I always play as my P.C., except sometimes when I play as HK just cuz I like the way he moves.
07-23-2006, 11:25 PM
I used PC the whole time unless the PC dies, or if it is required to use a NPC.
07-23-2006, 11:41 PM
PC is always the most useful charachter...
for kotor was between Bastila (love interest) but the banter between canderous and jolee was awesome!
For Kotor Mira (love interest) and bao durr
07-23-2006, 11:49 PM
I almost exclusively use the PC. I have used Mission a few times for picking up mines and such in the undercity, but after that point you can do most of the things you need to with the PC. Once in a while I'll use Mission or T3M4 for slicing/repairing purposes.
Favorite party for both games:
KotOR1: Bastila & Carth
KotoR2: Atton & Mira
KotOR1: T3M4, HK47, Jolee, Juhani
KotOR2: Kreia, T3M4, HK47, GOTO
07-24-2006, 01:14 AM
@Inyri and Mac--not taking Jolee and HK with you at any time means you are missing out on some of the most hilarious lines in both games. I'll actually go to Kashyyyk first just to pick up Jolee (without getting the Star Map right away) so I can have him in my party right away.
Taking him with you on Korriban is very amusing. When you meet up with Lashowe in Dresdae the first time and she asks you "Do you know how many Sith there are on this planet?" Jolee quips, "12! No, wait, 13!" I about fell over laughing first time I heard that.
I use the PC 99% of the time at higher levels. At lower levels, I'll use the other characters a lot more, especially to do specific skills (like unlock doors) or make stuff (Bao-Dur at the workbench, Kreia at the lab bench), but I'll still use the PC the vast majority of the time.
07-24-2006, 04:11 AM
i dont have K2, but in K1, i have never, ever, ever taken T3 anywhere other than to open the sith base. he sits and beeps in the ship, i never use him. on the other hand, HK47 is always a compulsory member in my party :D. i dont use Mission, Zaalbar and Candy often, but i pick Jolee, Carth and Bastila lots. i occasionally take Juhani too.
07-24-2006, 04:34 AM
Although some aren't useful in combat, I use them all. They can have some very funny interjections in conversations. (Especially HK-47.)
07-24-2006, 09:39 AM
i use the pc about 99% of the time.
my party usually consists of
07-24-2006, 02:10 PM
I usually use mt PC, i have used each NPC in KOTOR, and I've used (not just tested) all of my party in TSL except GO-TO. I've always hated GO-TO, he just really annoys me.
07-26-2006, 01:42 AM
What kind of a question is this? I always prefer my PC!
07-26-2006, 02:01 AM
@Inyri and Mac--not taking Jolee and HK with you at any time means you are missing out on some of the most hilarious lines in both games.I have heard them all. I'm a compulsive WAV listener (I go into the streamwaves folder and just listen to all the WAV files for no apparent reason), plus I have run through the game and heard all of both Jolee's and HK's story arc. I just don't use them much otherwise. So while I might have missed some things in context, I haven't missed them completely ;). After all, Jolee's one of the funniest characters in the game.
Personally, I can't go to Korriban without Bastila and Carth. Hearing Carth tell her to shut up just makes it all worth it.
07-26-2006, 11:45 AM
I hardly ever switch to a NPC unless I need them to perform a task. Anyway here is my usual party.
07-31-2006, 05:09 AM
Interesting. With the exception of a few, not much love for Atton. And next to no love for the HK-47! (The HK-47 saved my 2nd teams hide once vs the Sith!)
Admittedly I neglect Atton until he's Jedi converted, but then I will use him, just not as often as Mira, Kreia or Visas.
The females of the party (male PC) rule for the most part.
Kreia, Mira, and Visas get the most play of my party but I usually play Atton more than Handmaiden.
The HK-47 fully upgraded and armed with an upgraded Zersium rifle is pretty formidable. He actually saved my 2nd team vs an onslaught of Sith once.
07-31-2006, 04:58 PM
I always run around with the PC when possible, unless I'm doing a level 2 Taris. Then I run around with Zaalbar to use him as a melee tank.
I've never used Mission for Kotor, and I've never used Disciple or Goto for TSL.
08-01-2006, 12:05 PM
Great thread. I've often wondered what most people do.
When I first started playing this game used the PC pretty much all of the time.
But, as I played more and more with different alignments, priorties and genders, I began to experiment with letting the NPC's handle things in certain situations while the PC watched or assisted. That's one thing I love about this game, the seemingly endless combos of fun.
Now, I do this more and more with both games. It's actually kinda cool to watch my PC fight alond side me. I know the plotlines so well now that I can anticipate and prepare my NPCs so when I use them more, they're up for the task of leading the party.
One thing that could be mproved would be the communication. When an NPC initiates conversation, the PC takes over and the conversation is directed at him/her. Kinda throws you off if your NPC is leading the pack. No biggie though.
08-02-2006, 02:36 PM
why many people dislike T3, i think he's great.
08-02-2006, 06:22 PM
why many people dislike T3, i think he's great.
Well, people don use him cause he is not a good Combat character. I tink he is kinda fun actually.
08-03-2006, 02:16 AM
Well, people don use him cause he is not a good Combat character.
:eyeraise: You are kidding? Right?
T3 in TSL is not what he was in KotOR... That shock arm and a decent disruptor and he Pwns! ;)
He gets a few fun goodies too that Renewable Shield, and the Regeneration Package.
08-03-2006, 07:04 AM
T3 in TSL is not what he was in KotOR...
I agree. I'm not sure about everyone else's T3, but my T3 is a freakin' tank :D With renewable shield, flamethrower, shock arm and sporting ion/disruptor pistols.. I usually send him in first... ;)
Plus he's immune to Mind Affecting Force Powers, he's an upgrade bench and a master slicer...
T3 = Tin Can fulla' whoop-ass :lol:
08-21-2006, 08:44 AM
I also use the PC, generally the first move i use in combat is Force Wave, and i get more satisfaction doing this with my character than the others :D
Haven't played through TSL fully yet due to so many glitches (i've stopped playing as it's made me!), and until reading this didn't realise you could make most of the characters jedi, i was shocked when i turned Atton, however it was late in the game and he's not of much use with a sabre or powers...
Anyhoo, my team in KoToR:
1: Revan, Bastila, Juhani (I used her over Jolee as she was more capable in combat)
2: Exile, Handmaiden, Mandalore/Atton (Both used as blaster characters)
Handmaiden is bloody amazing, you can feat her loads and in my team she's indestructible, just goes around killing everything before i get there.
I never use:
1. T3, Carth (found him to be useless), Canderous and HK-47. In kotor 1 i found melee attacks to be a lot more effective, having said that i never used Mission as she was too weak and Zaalbarr as wookiees piss me off so bloody much.
2. T3, G0T0 (comeplete arse), HK-47 (got him too late), Bao-Dur, Mira (I never use stealth, and she's quite weak)
Quite a long post really...oops
First of all I have to agree with RH and ChAiNz, in TSL, T3 is a beast, with the hardcore mod he survives much longer than any of my other party members, except for my PC of course. Anyway…
KotOR: Most used party
Male PC:PC, Bastila, Jolee - I need the female influence in my party and Jolee has the best lines in the game
Female PC:PC, Jolee, HK - Jolee and HK have to be the best one to punch in the game, at least they are the best to listen to
KotOR: Characters hardly used
T3-M4 - Sadly without mods, T3 wasn't the force he was in TSL
Juhani - You should get lightside points for killing her, I would consider it a service to the galaxy.
Carth - He was just plain annoying
TSL: Most used party:
Male PC: PC, Handmaiden, Mandalore/HK/T3 - PC and Handmaiden go melee, and I got my comedic relief and ranged fighters/utility droid
Female PC: PC, Atton, Mandalore/HK/T3 - pretty much the same deal
TSL: Characters hardly used:
Hanharr - stupid character, and I hardly play dark side
Kreia - I just don't like her, once I'm off Peragus I refuse to use her
Disciple - "You have left me an opening" 'nuff said
G0-T0 - it's like they just needed another character to fill a slot on the selection screen
Bao-Dur - I didn't like his voice...
08-21-2006, 10:12 AM
Who do you get the Disciple instead of? My screen is full...
08-21-2006, 11:44 AM
08-22-2006, 08:48 PM
I'm currently using Carth instead of my main in Kotor 1, and Atton in Kotor 2. Blasters and Ranged Weapons are my Thing.
08-23-2006, 06:45 AM
Always the PC. Most of the time, I don't even care what my crew is doing. The Pc is more than enough to accomplish every task and win every fight. My crew serves as a "meatshield".
That is sad though... if the game where harder it would definitly make use of the tactical options of the other Pcs....
08-26-2006, 01:42 PM
hmmm... NPCs I never use...
KotOR- Zaalbar, Mission, T3, HK-57
KotOR II- Bao Dur, Mandalore, T3
I'm currently using Carth instead of my main in Kotor 1, and Atton in Kotor 2. Blasters and Ranged Weapons are my Thing.
I'm currently playing a game I tweaked with the KSE to make my char a non-force user soldier. Blasters are actually suprisingly useful if you upgrade them, I can kill most enemies faster with my char with dual upgraded micro-pulse blasters than I could with any given lightsaber. Of course, the downside is that I don't have force heal or any means of deflecting incoming blaster bolts
08-27-2006, 02:30 PM
Use the PC whenever possible, as for NPCs in KOTOR II (in order of use):
1) Handmaiden - best hand-to-hand combat
2) HK47 / Mandalore - for ranged support, when available
3) Atton (until get HK or Mandalore)
4) Kreia - Always telling you what to do. I don't like it
5) T3-M4 - useful shock arm, but he never seems to use it unless you control him yourself. Mainly use him for creating kick-ass item upgrades at workbench in Mandolorian camp on Dxun.
6) Mira - Don't rate her that highly, Mandalore or HK are better ranged options IMO.
7) Bao-Dur - really, really sucks in combat, just seems to always be the first party member down
8) GOTO - fail to see the point
08-27-2006, 02:50 PM
1) Kreia - bonus xp, oh sweet xp.
2) Visas - already a jedi when she joins.
3) Atton/Bao-Dur/Handmaiden/Mira - no use until jedi, then it depends on relevant skills.
4) T3-M4 - very useful early on with lots of skills and tank potential.
5) Mandalore - not very useful, but better than HK
6) HK-47 - funny, but loses to Mandalore, since I can't heal him when damaged
7) Hanharr - useless furball. Rating: Dogmeat.
8) G0-T0 - practical use: target practice.
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