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Valter
09-25-2006, 11:51 PM
There has been much speculation on the Super Star Destroyer. There has been conjecture about whether the Executor will be buildable at a high price on a certain planet or whether it will be free hero unit. So which one is it? There are a number of other questions I would like answered as well.

1) Is the Executor a hero unit?

2) Is the Executor directly related to Vader? (Does Vader control the Executor?)

3) Is the Executor a planet specific unit like the Mon Cals or Star Destroyers?

4) What exactly are the hardpoints on the Executor? (How many turbolasers, how many ion cannons etc.?)

5) Can the Executor be bribed by the Zann Consortium during combat?

I suppose this can be called the official Super Star Destroyer discussion topic. So discuss...

Darth Ablett
09-26-2006, 12:22 AM
This is a great idea. I'd like to know the answers to these questions as well. I suppose another question would be: at what tech level does it appear, but I reckon the answers to these main questions should answer this as well.

ImpElite
09-26-2006, 08:41 AM
The Executor was built over Fondor, so if it is a planet specific unit it COULD be Fondor, though you never know.

EDIT: ugh, one guy already mentioned that the Executor is buildable at Fondor and basically said what I just did, I wasn't trying to steal his idea or whatever, man why do I always read threads in the wrong order?

Crezzer Fett
09-26-2006, 11:34 AM
I asked about question 1/2 a few weeks back...and still the debate goes on. I sure hope Vader is controlling the Exec and not Piett. I also hope you have to buy it aswell..getting it for free seems to unbalance things. Vader should still have his Tie Advanced...then when you buy/build it Vader will take control of the Executor.
Hopefully this will happen.

Darth_Torpid-PG
09-26-2006, 01:07 PM
There has been much speculation on the Super Star Destroyer. There has been conjecture about whether the Executor will be buildable at a high price on a certain planet or whether it will be free hero unit. So which one is it? There are a number of other questions I would like answered as well.

1) Is the Executor a hero unit?
Yes.


2) Is the Executor directly related to Vader? (Does Vader control the Executor?)
Yes. The Executor has become Vader's transport (he'll still use the shuttle to land on planets).


3) Is the Executor a planet specific unit like the Mon Cals or Star Destroyers?
No. It is, however a buildable unit. It is tech level 5, requires a level 5 space station and you can only build it once. Unlike the Deathstar, it will respawn along with Vader like any other hero unit.


4) What exactly are the hardpoints on the Executor? (How many turbolasers, how many ion cannons etc.?)
The Executor basically has the same loadout of hard points as a normal Star Destroyer, it just has more of them (30 total). There are also some redundant systems - it has three shield hard points for example.


5) Can the Executor be bribed by the Zann Consortium during combat?
No. Tyber's bribe ability doesn't work in space combat, only in land tactical. In general, major heroes are immune to bribery.

Igor_Cavkov
09-26-2006, 01:29 PM
30 hardpoints!!! thats unstopable! hehe :D

Darth Anarch
09-26-2006, 01:52 PM
So the way I understand it, Vader will fly around in his TIE Advanced until you build the Executor, at which point he transfers to it instead. Is that how it works? Or do you not get Vader until you've built the Executor?

Darth_Torpid-PG
09-26-2006, 02:02 PM
Since Vader has been moved to tech 5 along with his new flagship, he will not be available in the squadron for galactic conquest games. His squadron is still available in space skirmish.

wedge2211
09-26-2006, 02:18 PM
It is tech level 5, requires a level 5 space station and you can only build it once. Unlike the Deathstar, it will respawn along with Vader like any other hero unit.
Is Vader on the same recharge timer as the other heroes, then? It would make sense for his timer to be longer, because (a) his ship is much stronger than other heroes' ships, and (b) his ship is much more powerful than other heroes' ships. Losing him in a space battle ought to come at a significant price, rather than the temporary disadvantage of losing him for a few minutes and then getting the Executor back for free.

gswift
09-26-2006, 02:59 PM
I'm sure they thought of that and they'll make sure it's balanced. In skirmish games, I'm sure he's mega-expensive to build and takes a long time to build as well. In campaign, different heros have different timers, so I would imagine that his is longer. However, if his respawn time is going to be that long in campaign I wonder if he's still going to be available in ground, and IF SO then he'll need to really powerfull on the ground as well as space (otherwise you'd be crazy to use him on land and get the SSD killed by a few artillery peices)

Crezzer Fett
09-26-2006, 03:35 PM
So your saying...if Vader dies on ground...the SSD will dissapear until he has recharged?? Just like Han Solo and Chewi.

Valter
09-26-2006, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the information Torpid.

It looks like vader will not only be the best ground hero but also the best space hero. Losing him will obviously be detrimental to the war effort in galactic conquest games.

To Crezzer: Yes, I think that's exactly what gswift is saying.

gswift
09-26-2006, 06:27 PM
So your saying...if Vader dies on ground...the SSD will dissapear until he has recharged?? Just like Han Solo and Chewi.

Just a guess, but I think it's an educated one.

Darth Ablett
09-26-2006, 09:24 PM
OK then, that's good to know that it has to be built - hopefully at quite a price, since once it is bought it respawns.

I've got another question: What are its special abilities? I assume it'll have a tractor beam like the regular ISDs, what is the other one (if it has two)?

Valter
09-26-2006, 09:37 PM
Most likely the same abilities as the other Imperial space units; tractor beam or boost weapon power. It's possible that the Executor will have a new special ability.

Darth Ablett
09-26-2006, 09:47 PM
Most likely the same abilities as the other Imperial space units; tractor beam or boost weapon power. It's possible that the Executor will have a new special ability.

Yeah, I figured as much. It would be cool if it had something else, but not necessary. It's already fairly capable, I'd say. In a world where balance isn't required, I'd have a garrison of an ISD. Ooh Yeah! :nut:

Also, since it is about 3x as powerful as an ISD, will it take up 12 population points? That's half of a full fleet!

ImpElite
09-26-2006, 11:14 PM
Maybe the Executor's ability will be: increase front shields before something gets through..... :vsd:

lol

Crezzer Fett
09-27-2006, 04:11 AM
Have the Space maps in FOC been extended to suit the Executor??

Darth Ablett
09-27-2006, 04:26 AM
Have the Space maps in FOC been extended to suit the Executor??

Yes, I'm pretty sure a Petro Developer said they were expanding all existing maps by about 30-40%. The Executor will still take up a fair chunk of real estate though!

EDIT : Oh, and ImpElite - ROFL, that's genius! :lol:

ImpElite
09-27-2006, 09:56 AM
Yes, I'm pretty sure a Petro Developer said they were expanding all existing maps by about 30-40%. The Executor will still take up a fair chunk of real estate though!


Yeah I bet it will!


EDIT : Oh, and ImpElite - ROFL, that's genius! :lol:

Thanks!

Darth Anarch
09-27-2006, 10:54 AM
They can't possibly give the Executor the "boost weapons" ability. With 30 bloody hardpoints that would wipe out a whole fleet in 10 seconds!

Darth_Torpid-PG
09-27-2006, 01:02 PM
OK then, that's good to know that it has to be built - hopefully at quite a price, since once it is bought it respawns.

I've got another question: What are its special abilities? I assume it'll have a tractor beam like the regular ISDs, what is the other one (if it has two)?

The tractor beam is correct. The second ability allows it to launch squadrons at will (similar to Vader's replenish wingman ability). Unlike normal Imperial ships, you click the button and it spits out the fighters, bombers, etc., so you can choose when and where to launch your escort. The Executors load out includes interceptors, bombers and defenders. The refresh is fairly short, so you can click it once for one squadron, or keep clicking until you release the whole thing.

Valter
09-27-2006, 01:07 PM
EDIT: Launch squadrons at will and tractor beam? Those are very useful special abilities. I think Petroglyph has hit the nail on the head once again.

Crezzer Fett
09-27-2006, 04:04 PM
Sounds great..i take it that one group (1 click) of Ties are a mix of bombers, interceptors and defenders. Or does it send out one whole group type at once?

Darth Ablett
09-27-2006, 09:12 PM
The tractor beam is correct. The second ability allows it to launch squadrons at will (similar to Vader's replenish wingman ability). Unlike normal Imperial ships, you click the button and it spits out the fighters, bombers, etc., so you can choose when and where to launch your escort. The Executors load out includes interceptors, bombers and defenders. The refresh is fairly short, so you can click it once for one squadron, or keep clicking until you release the whole thing.

It can launch TIE Defenders at will? That's awesome, but I feel so sorry for those poor rebels...

EDIT: What about the population cap then - It's a mammoth ship that can spawn powerful fighters - I'd assume its only real weakness would be how much space it takes up. Care to enlighten us? :ears1:

Darth Anarch
09-28-2006, 07:07 AM
The best way to take down the Executor (I imagine) is to use smaller, quicker ships like Nebulon-Bs, Assault Frigates and possibly the new MC-30s and keep them behind it. Regular Star Destroyers in the game have no backwards-facing weapons, so if you dance around the Executor and stay behind it you should be able to pummel it pretty good. I have a strong suspicion that a ship that size isn't going to be able to turn very quickly.

ImpElite
09-28-2006, 09:14 AM
It can launch TIE Defenders at will? That's awesome, but I feel so sorry for those poor rebels...



ah, dont' worry about me, I'll beat them somehow.... :twogun:

Valter
09-28-2006, 12:44 PM
I don't know ImpElite, maybe it's about time you rejoined the Empire. We could use a strategist with your skills. LOL

Darth_Torpid-PG
09-28-2006, 01:17 PM
The button launches one squadron at a time in order - interceptors, bombers, defenders. Each type of squadron has a limit to how many you can have out on the map at one time (so if you max your defenders and you keep clicking you will only get interceptors and bombers until you lose your defenders), but they do not count against the pop cap themselves (they are considered garrison units). There is also a max amount of each type of squadron the Executor holds, so eventually you will run out.

Darth Anarch
09-28-2006, 01:39 PM
Oh, that sounds sweet. Makes me wish you could do something like that with regular Star Destroyer-type ships too.

The TIE Defenders won't be a "garrisoned" unit normally, will it? It's the sort of unit you have to buy separately, like the Rebellion's fighters?

ImpElite
09-28-2006, 05:07 PM
I don't know ImpElite, maybe it's about time you rejoined the Empire. We could use a strategist with your skills. LOL

Lol, I don't know.... I think I'm with the Rebel Alliance right now.... And still evil muahahahaha! :twogun: :smash: :blast5:

Valter
09-28-2006, 05:32 PM
I started out as an Imperial loyalist when I first bought the game and I will always remain an Imperial loyalist. I prefer the crushing military power of the Empire over the stealthy, technology poaching rebel scum.

ImpElite
09-28-2006, 11:01 PM
Tech poaching rebellion, eh?

*cocks gun* change your mind? ;) lol

wedge2211
09-28-2006, 11:11 PM
Oh, no, don't start that again...

Oh, that sounds sweet. Makes me wish you could do something like that with regular Star Destroyer-type ships too.
Well, since the ability has now been coded into the game, it should be a simple task to play with XMLs to give any other unit with a hangar this ability.

Valter
09-28-2006, 11:47 PM
Tech poaching rebellion, eh?

*cocks gun* change your mind? ;) lol

LOL

Hey, to each his own right?

Darth Ablett
09-28-2006, 11:54 PM
Well, since the ability has now been coded into the game, it should be a simple task to play with XMLs to give any other unit with a hangar this ability.

Maybe they'll do it for us, I mean all Star Destroyers only have 1 special ability (Piett excluded), so it could be added in.

I was wondering about Vader as a result of this. When the Empire reaches tech level 5, does vader appear first only as a ground unit, or does the Executor have to be built before Vader can be used in land tactical battles (in reference to GC).

ImpElite
09-28-2006, 11:57 PM
LOL

Hey, to each his own right?

Hehehehehe.

Darth_Torpid-PG
09-29-2006, 01:04 PM
Questions in order...

TIE defenders are normally purchased like TIE scouts, but some higher-level units get them as garrisons as well.

The special ability for the Executor should be easily transferable via XML to any ship that currently has garrisons (even space stations if you wanted). It would take a little more work to get it to function on ships that don't currently have fighter spawning, but it could be done. However, the Executor is the only ship that will have it out of the box.

Vader is attached to his ship, so he now spawns at tech level five and will not be available until then (in land or space).