PDA

View Full Version : Come on, Mojo!


ThunderPeel2001
11-04-2006, 08:09 PM
Come on, Mojo! It's time to step up to the plate and show how much we, as a community, really love adventure games. The only thing to mark the arrival of the greatest single adventure gaming event since Escape From Monkey Island is a headline that says "Culture Shock now yesterday out worldwide!".

Who the hell, outside of those who already know that Sam & Max is out, knows what "Culture Shock" is? It sounds like the latest Warren Spector game!

Above this is a banner that says, "Bone Episode 1 is out" (from over a year ago!) and to the right is a review of "Bone Episode 2"!

Is this what we got so angry about when we heard Sam & Max had been canceled in 2004? Was I the only one there who was upset with LucasArts? We've finally got our wish: A talented group of individuals are selling top-quality adventure game titles once again, not least of which is the totally awesome Sam & Max!

Is the current LucasArts president sitting in his office chuckling to himself; "See, even the die-hards aren't that interested in adventure games anymore... We were right to cancel Sam & Max!".

MixNMojo got behind Bone in a great way, and it's time we got behind Sam & Max, too!

To show my commitment, and that I'm not just bellowing hot air, I've thrown together a banner to replace the archaic Bone Episode 1 one at the top of Mojo. It's not the best banner in the world, but at least it shows support for Sam & Max!

http://www.thunderpeel2001.com/sammaxnew.gif

I hereby allow anyone to take this banner and put it on any site they see fit to help raise the profile of Sam & Max!

http://www.thunderpeel2001.com/sammaxnew.gif

Come on, people, spread the word!

Sam & Max are back - hurrah!

bgbennyboy
11-04-2006, 08:25 PM
Since the server went down, not everything is back up and running yet. No-one could even login as staff until Thursday. I dont think ftp access is restored yet either, I think thats partly why there hasnt been more Sam and Max pimping.

Thrik
11-05-2006, 06:36 AM
FTP access has just been restored, so it's probably now feasible to do anything to Mojo other than edit news. I don't know how the header thing works though so I'll let Jake or Remi do it. :~

elTee
11-05-2006, 11:03 AM
At the same time, good point Thunderpeel. On a personal level the reason I'm not doing more to help is the huge backlog of IRL work I have to do - and I know thrik is busy on a personal project/preparing for a new job. And Jake, well - he works for Telltale, he's obviously very busy.

MrManager
11-05-2006, 02:17 PM
The header will probably be changed to a new one tomorrow, at the same time as the review will be moved from the news section to the features.

ThunderPeel2001
11-05-2006, 05:30 PM
The header will probably be changed to a new one tomorrow, at the same time as the review will be moved from the news section to the features.

Yay! Now that's the kind of unabashed enthusiasm I was hoping for! jp-30 says there's some good stuff in the works, too? Can't wait to see it! Good work, Remi!

Gabez
11-05-2006, 07:44 PM
I have to read Middlemarch.

But yeah, I agree with you ThunderPeel, and we'll certainly be trying to up the ante on the old Sam & Max in the future... but the advantage of this episodic thing is that the coverage can be slow burning. Roll on episode two!

Great banner graphic, incidentally.

jp-30
11-05-2006, 10:11 PM
Yay! Now that's the kind of unabashed enthusiasm I was hoping for! jp-30 says there's some good stuff in the works, too? Can't wait to see it! Good work, Remi!

What, you mean the Mojo Thrillville reskin joke I made in the news comments?

Uhhh.. yeah...

:sweating:

Metallus
11-05-2006, 10:35 PM
The Unofficial (http://www.samandmax.net) still exists and loves Sam and Max, even though Mojo clearly doesn't. I heard they take their server offline just to screw with Sam and Max fans!

ThunderPeel2001
11-06-2006, 08:56 AM
What, you mean the Mojo Thrillville reskin joke I made in the news comments? Ah, crap. I missed the joke :doh: So that means there's NOT a great big pro-Sam & Max change about to happen? :cry7:

I don't why they just don't use the banner I made in the meantime; it's precisely the right size just to drop in, and it beats a banner that's from over a year ago... (How did it go so fast?)

The Unofficial still exists and loves Sam and Max, even though Mojo clearly doesn't. I heard they take their server offline just to screw with Sam and Max fans!

Lol!

Edit: Actually, www.samandmax.net is offline at the moment...??? Is TT's Sam & Max cursed or are LucasArts trying to sabotage its release?! Weird!

Thrik
11-06-2006, 09:29 AM
The site was moved over to another server following the crash, and now that one's been down all day. Fate is not on the side of Sam & Max. :~

Jake
11-06-2006, 01:04 PM
Mojo hates Sam & Max and adventure games!!!!! Shut it down.

ThunderPeel2001
11-06-2006, 03:07 PM
Hi Jake! I loved your designs on the TellTale website and the ingame menus in Sam & Max - REALLY nice stuff!!

MrManager
11-06-2006, 03:14 PM
OK, so with all of that said, I think it's time for a...

State of the Mojo '06! =OD

Now first of all, the reason we haven't been "on the ball" over the past few weeks has mainly been what was mentioned above, i.e. server issues. At the same time though, I think it's fair to say that Mojo might not have been all of our's first priority lately. Or second. And possibly not even third.

Obviously things have changed since '97 or whatever; most of the people responsible for the site back then aren't around anymore, and those of us who have been around for a while aren't 18 years old anymore. Priorities tend to change when the clammy hand of 30 starts coming dangerously close. That might be why Jake and myself concentrate a bit more on the behind the scenes stuff as opposed to posting news or whatever. And at the same time I think Udvarnoky has done a great job with the news, and that Mojo is updated at least as much as it was during the "glory years."

With all of that said we do, believe it or not, have some future plans for Mojo. Two major changes are, in fact, abound:

1. The news section! While a MojoX was planned (and a Mojo 9.5 half-way developed) we've decided to just switch over to Wordpress which does everything we need it to do and more. That's right, Mojo will come a blog... Which it has been since the beginning anyway, but this way it'll be even better. No, really.

2. The game database! We'll be tossing out our old proprietary and in stead go with a, wait for it, wiki. In other words, instead of complaining about missing data, you'll be allowed to add it yourself.

And really, when it all is said and done, that is all Mojo will be. Hell, it's really all it already is.

Ironically enough the future of classic LEC-type gaming is possibly more interesting today than it was ten years ago, with Double Fine, Telltale, and Autumn Moon doing what they're doing. As for LucasArts, I doubt you'll see much of them on what we so affectionally call Mojo 2.0, but that shouldn't be surprising to anybody.

So yeah, you might not see many more "Mojo visits LucasArts" stories anymore, but I think the wiki and WordPress stuff will be pretty sweet.

ThunderPeel2001
11-06-2006, 03:28 PM
Great stuff! It's good idea to try and people more involved with a Wiki, too. Plus it takes the burden off you guys.

Obviously things have changed since '97 or whatever; most of the people responsible for the site back then aren't around anymore, and those of us who have been around for a while aren't 18 years old anymore. Priorities tend to change when the clammy hand of 30 starts coming dangerously close.I know how it feels! I've barely ten seconds to myself these days, what with the house in need of TLC, the manic job and personal life etc etc. The fact that Mojo has survived so long is amazing, especially when it's only really been running on memories for the past few years.

This is why I thought I'd try and help out. I'm sure Jake has something nicer in the pipe line, but it's cool if we can all pitch in.

Samnmax221
11-06-2006, 03:54 PM
Oh sure, now all the Admins start coming out of the plastic woodwork.

jp-30
11-06-2006, 03:58 PM
So that means there's NOT a great big pro-Sam & Max change about to happen? :cry7:

Blog? Wiki?

:twogun:

Gabez
11-06-2006, 05:52 PM
I don't why they just don't use the banner I made in the meantime; it's precisely the right size just to drop in, and it beats a banner that's from over a year ago... (How did it go so fast?)I actually tried to do that, but the FTP still doesn't work for me. Also, I probably would have incurred the wrath of Jake and Remi again for doing things wrong. :~

MrManager
11-06-2006, 06:10 PM
Jake seemed pretty insistent on doing the graphic himself, so I'm leaving it in his capable hands. ;

Samnmax221
11-06-2006, 06:17 PM
Jake seemed pretty insistent on doing the graphic himself, so I'm leaving it in his capable hands. ;
You forgot to mention smooth.

Oh yah, when you crossover to doing a Wiki I'd like to serve some role in working on it. Believe it or not I hold my work to the highest degree of scrutiny.

itchythesamurai
11-06-2006, 06:57 PM
It's true, he's so scrutinizing that he's been working on this one article for several months now.

Samnmax221
11-06-2006, 07:00 PM
Can't publish crap, unless of course you're Lucasarts. The differance is the Wiki can be done in small amounts and I already know everything.

Thrik
11-06-2006, 07:30 PM
Well, the idea of a wiki is that anyone can work on it — it's communist websitery at its finest. Maybe we could encourage participation by having a "best contributors" sidebar on the front page of the site or something though.

Samnmax221
11-06-2006, 07:53 PM
Mediawiki can be set automatically to revert bad changes right?

Jake
11-06-2006, 08:24 PM
http://jake.idlethumbs.net/mojo20.gif

Thrik
11-06-2006, 08:43 PM
It doesn't automatically revert them as there's no way for it to know if a change is good or bad really, but it stores a copy of every single version of the page so if someone adds something lame you can manually revert it to the prior version.

And hee Jake, nice! But more like:

http://ryan.foldedgamers.com/images/mojo2015.gif

Jake
11-06-2006, 08:46 PM
I was going to put a subtitle in there about it being "today's mojo: tomorrow" or something, but couldn't be bothered. 2015 also acceptable.

ThunderPeel2001
11-07-2006, 09:13 AM
That's cool, Jake! What software do you use for your 3D titles?

Samnmax221
11-07-2006, 10:21 AM
I like it, of course I think it'd be cool if you did it in Flash, I know how much Jakey hates Flash.

Metallus
11-07-2006, 04:25 PM
That's cool, Jake! What software do you use for your 3D titles?He might be doing it differently now, but here's how he showed me how to do it back in 2001ish: To get a quick 3D look in Photoshop, duplicate your text layer, scale it down a couple notches and put it behind the original layer. Then play with the colors/effects of both layers until you have something satisfactory. Putting a shadow on the smaller layer copy also helps.

Jake
11-07-2006, 06:34 PM
Yeah its just scaling things down a couple times while duplicating them. Also I use virtual reality gloves, probably.

ThunderPeel2001
11-08-2006, 04:51 AM
Yeah its just scaling things down a couple times while duplicating them. Also I use virtual reality gloves, probably.

Really? So you must manually touch up the corners, right? It looks really 3D, I wouldn't have thought you used Photoshop for that! I'll have to give it a quick go now!

ThunderPeel2001
11-08-2006, 09:52 AM
http://www.thunderpeel2001.com/3d-test.gif
I threw this together over lunch. It worked! (Sort of.) I need to round the edges, and I'd probably choose a different font and squish it together a bit more, but it's a cool effect and good to know! Thanks, Jake!

itchythesamurai
11-08-2006, 06:45 PM
Hm, I put on my special glasses and nothing happened. Don't think we're at Jaws 3 levels of quality just yet.

Samnmax221
11-08-2006, 07:06 PM
Your "special" glasses?

itchythesamurai
11-08-2006, 07:16 PM
The ones that let me see through your clothing. That's right, you specifically.

jp-30
11-09-2006, 02:18 AM
http://www.thunderpeel2001.com/3d-test.gif
I threw this together over lunch. It worked! (Sort of.) I need to round the edges, and I'd probably choose a different font and squish it together a bit more, but it's a cool effect and good to know! Thanks, Jake!

Your shadow changes angle, understandable for a point-source of light (though if that were the case the shadow would be towards the outside, whereas yours heads inward. Maybe just do a 'regular' shadow that goes right-down or left-down... or just down... across the whole image.

Otherwise, neat!

ThunderPeel2001
11-09-2006, 08:44 AM
Doh! Good point, jp!

Edit: Now I know why I made the shadow go inwards... Jake's does too!

Jake
11-09-2006, 01:34 PM
Well, if the text is floating a bit above a surface, the shadow will obviously be a bit smaller than the text itself, because that's how perspective works. I tried to just shrink and position the shadow along the same lines the perspective lines were going that came from the text, with a little extra adjustment to make it appear as if things were being lit from a light a little bit above the text. I don't think straight on shadows, especially ones done by hand in Photoshop, ever look all that nice.

Also to give shadows a little extra definition I usually do shadows with two layers - one unblurred, crisp version of the shadow at maybe 5% opacity, and one blurred version, moved a pixel or two further in the direction the shadow is being cast, at maybe 15 or 20% opacity. It helps keep the shadows from looking too mushy while retaining the soft look.

ThunderPeel2001
11-09-2006, 05:12 PM
Also to give shadows a little extra definition I usually do shadows with two layers - one unblurred, crisp version of the shadow at maybe 5% opacity, and one blurred version, moved a pixel or two further in the direction the shadow is being cast, at maybe 15 or 20% opacity. It helps keep the shadows from looking too mushy while retaining the soft look.

Interesting! I'll try that. Thanks, Jake!

Samnmax221
11-09-2006, 05:19 PM
What else is planned for the Mojo expansion?

Udvarnoky
11-09-2006, 05:33 PM
12 new missions, bigger environments, a whole new arsenal of weapons, and higher-res character models.

Samnmax221
11-09-2006, 05:38 PM
No revamped physics engine?!?!? DIE DIE DIE!

Udvarnoky
11-09-2006, 05:45 PM
Hey, we've gotta save something for Mojo: Beyond the Dark Tentacle, tentatively due out for release Q4 2008. Place your preorders now!

elTee
11-09-2006, 06:21 PM
It's complicated. There are numerous ways we can approach the Wiki, and it takes a bit of thinking. But never fear! When we're ready to go it'll be the best Mojo since, like, 2001.

Thrik
11-09-2006, 06:26 PM
(except in 2015)

Gabez
11-09-2006, 07:01 PM
Better get it up before the competition (http://www.demonicskull.com/) arives!!!!11

Samnmax221
11-09-2006, 07:35 PM
Better get it up before the competition (http://www.demonicskull.com/) arives!!!!11
You've thrown me for a loop, proud?

itchythesamurai
11-09-2006, 08:20 PM
If he isn't, he sure should be. I hope it's one of the loops where you have to make a jump over shark-infested waters.

Samnmax221
11-09-2006, 08:39 PM
This isn't some crummy reality show thats vastly overstayed its welcome!

itchythesamurai
11-09-2006, 09:21 PM
Are you talking about the Mojoverse? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_%28comics%29) (Watch out, obscure X-men reference!)

Metallus
11-09-2006, 09:26 PM
Za's Vid!

itchythesamurai
11-09-2006, 09:33 PM
Touché, Metallus. You have outdone yourself.

Samnmax221
11-09-2006, 09:41 PM
I will find this man and kill him! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8d8owsb3bY)

itchythesamurai
11-09-2006, 10:56 PM
Mein gott Eric! What if it is...two men?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pccztO105s)

Ray Jones
11-10-2006, 10:07 AM
Well,.. Thunderdome may come to mind?

ThunderPeel2001
11-11-2006, 09:07 AM
Well, there's still a year old banner at the top of Mojo... :(

itchythesamurai
11-11-2006, 03:37 PM
I've grown accustomed to it and am afraid of change. I say we should let it be.

ThunderPeel2001
11-13-2006, 09:19 AM
Lol! You crack me up, lil' samurai

Samnmax221
11-13-2006, 02:49 PM
Lol!
You son of a bitch.

itchythesamurai
11-13-2006, 04:32 PM
You son of a bitch.

I concur. He called me lil'. I hate it when people do that, which is pretty much almost never. Guess that means I'm hopping onto your fascist regime to help plot the downfall of ThunderPeel. Vive la revolución and so on and so forth.

ThunderPeel2001
11-16-2006, 08:59 AM
You're a fickle bunch!

Jake
11-17-2006, 01:43 PM
Well, there's still a year old banner at the top of Mojo... :(

1) It's 6 months old, not a year. Please.

2) New banner is ready, but nobody has FTP access yet so it can't go up.

Samnmax221
11-17-2006, 02:48 PM
I concur. He called me lil'. I hate it when people do that, which is pretty much almost never. Guess that means I'm hopping onto your fascist regime to help plot the downfall of ThunderPeel. Vive la revolución and so on and so forth.
Oh please, I've never tried to run anybody else's lives. It's just that I like money.

clone2727
11-17-2006, 04:07 PM
2) New banner is ready, but nobody has FTP access yet so it can't go up.

Well, it's up now :D

Samnmax221
11-17-2006, 06:49 PM
Why yes, yes it is.

itchythesamurai
11-17-2006, 09:23 PM
And might I add that it is a fine banner indeed. I give it permission to have its way with my daughter.

Samnmax221
11-17-2006, 09:26 PM
And might I add that it is a fine banner indeed. I give it permission to have its way with my daughter.
Itchy, you're 18, you don't have a daughter, if you did I would have kidnapped her years ago.

itchythesamurai
11-17-2006, 09:38 PM
I'm flattered, Eric, but it was a preemptive conferral of consent, so that when the time comes, Mojo won't have to waste any time with red tape.

ThunderPeel2001
11-19-2006, 08:50 AM
1) It's 6 months old, not a year. Please.1) Bone Episode 1 was released 14 months ago (15 Sept, 2005). Does that mean it took you guys seven months to advertise that it was out... Which was actually the same month that episode two was released. Lol! I stand corrected! :)

I'm flattered, Eric, but it was a preemptive conferral of consent, so that when the time comes, Mojo won't have to waste any time with red tape.Hehe! You you really do crack me up. (I'd say, 'lol', but I don't want to incur your wrath!)

Ray Jones
11-20-2006, 07:23 AM
He's my lil' bro'. Ain't he cute? *tousles itchtodawhyzee's hair*

itchythesamurai
11-20-2006, 04:36 PM
Hah, I've always got people stroking my hair at school. People are amazed at how soft it is. Kinda awkward when I'm surrounded by men playing with my hair, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the attention.

Jake
11-21-2006, 12:32 PM
1) Bone Episode 1 was released 14 months ago (15 Sept, 2005). Does that mean it took you guys seven months to advertise that it was out... Which was actually the same month that episode two was released. Lol! I stand corrected! :)

Oops you're right, I guess I never did one for the Great Cow Race. :¬:

Ray Jones
11-21-2006, 07:07 PM
'Coz you're a lazy one. Dude. :dozey:

Itchamon, I know exactly what you mean, girls always wanted to go through my hair, so, in the end, and by popular demand, I had to stop shaving balls.

itchythesamurai
11-21-2006, 07:28 PM
Ray-san, I'm going to need a little help from my friends if I'm going to quit. Pretty sure cold turkey would kill me.

Ray Jones
11-22-2006, 02:59 AM
Oh, I wouldn't worry too much 'bout that. See, there's still always quite an amount going off between the teeth. The advantage is at hand: the pain makes you last longer.

ThunderPeel2001
11-25-2006, 11:13 AM
Oops you're right, I guess I never did one for the Great Cow Race. :¬:

No, you just did one for Out from Boneville seven months after it was released.

*Geez* What's with the attitude? Did I not praise you enough? Is your ego bruised? I already said I love your work, and I'm amazed that Mojo is still going so strong because I know I wouldn't have had the time or passion myself. That's why, instead of just complaining, I took the time to try and help out.

Christ, you'd think I was doing this for my health instead of trying to help a software company that you're employed by!

Thrik
11-25-2006, 01:22 PM
I think the last thing anyone wants when their server has just raped itself and they have full-time jobs to deal with is to be hassled about a banner. While your willingness to help is appreciated, you weren't helping matters by whining about the banner/site being outdated. It was irritating, and I'm sure Jake or somebody else would have put a banner up earlier if they were physically capable of doing so.

I mean, did you not notice that the entire freaking network went down just before you started this thread, consequently demanding hours upon hours of time from Matt to get things back up and running? It's still not completely as it was either, and FTP access wasn't restored to Jake pretty much until he uploaded the new banner. Data was also lost here and there all over the place.

Not to mention that Jake was pissed off that both Mojo and Unofficial Sam & Max went down the day before the game came out, and remained so for a few days. It's no surprise you've elicited a bad attitude from him — you're pushing buttons, and I'm sure you know it.

Not that he expressed a particularly bad attitude in what he posted. But you know, you should just back off a little.

Udvarnoky
11-25-2006, 02:18 PM
Oops you're right, I guess I never did one for the Great Cow Race. :¬:
No, you just did one for Out from Boneville seven months after it was released.

*Geez* What's with the attitude?

I think it's the fact that he did do a banner for the Great Cow Race, which was put up around the time the game was released, as was the case with the Boneville banner. The Boneville banner kind of mysteriously reappeared after the server crash, but not before the Cow Race banner was up for like six months, and therefore pretty much impossible to just forget about.

Or am I just getting lost in someone's sarcasm and making a fool of myself?

ThunderPeel2001
11-25-2006, 06:31 PM
I really appreciate you taking the time to respond, Thrik.

I think the last thing anyone wants when their server has just raped itself and they have full-time jobs to deal with is to be hassled about a banner. While your willingness to help is appreciated, you weren't helping matters by whining about the banner/site being outdated. It was irritating, and I'm sure Jake or somebody else would have put a banner up earlier if they were physically capable of doing so.

I mean, did you not notice that the entire freaking network went down just before you started this thread, consequently demanding hours upon hours of time from Matt to get things back up and running? It's still not completely as it was either, and FTP access wasn't restored to Jake pretty much until he uploaded the new banner. Data was also lost here and there all over the place.Seriously, I'm not psychic and none of this was explained. In fact, none of the "higher ups" expressed any sort of "yeah, we really do need to show support for Sam & Max, but the servers totally ****ed and its eating up our time, so that's priority number one right now!". The only thing that was posted was vague rumours.

Not to mention that Jake was pissed off that both Mojo and Unofficial Sam & Max went down the day before the game came out, and remained so for a few days. It's no surprise you've elicited a bad attitude from him — you're pushing buttons, and I'm sure you know it.Again, how could I know this and why would I deliberately push Jake's buttons?? (I've got better things to do with my time! :)) There was no ill will for my part, why on earth would there be?

I'm sorry if I "pushed people's buttons", like I say, it was in no way my intention. It doesn't make sense why I'd do that, and it certainly never crossed my mind because I didn't know there were buttons to be pushed! I had no idea that Jake was pissed about Mojo and the OS&M page going down. I had no idea he was pissed at all about anything. (In fact my own concerns about the same thing were met with a sarcastic response from him!)

Not that he expressed a particularly bad attitude in what he posted. But you know, you should just back off a little.He did express a pretty bad attitude, and that attitude can be summed up thusly: :¬: Which, I'm sure if you asked anyone, would be synonymous with Mojo. Sometimes Mojo just comes across an one big impenetrable in-joke. If you're not in "the know" then you don't deserve a response (which is why I really appreciate you taking the time to actually explain).

I appreciate you guys were under extreme duress and again, I salute you for keeping this beast going, but none of this was explained, and if my original post didn't solicit some sort of explanation (other than vague "I think this... I imagine that...") then I don't know what else I could have done.

You've also got to think about what you're saying. I know you say that I was being irritating (again, obviously not my intention!) but would you prefer it if the readers of your site didn't care in any way? That they didn't care what state Mojo was in? That they didn't care what was posted on the site? That they didn't care about the quality of what went up? I'm sure it would be a rather pointless and unrewarding task if no-one cared. So rather than see me as being irritating, please try and understand that I only posted because I care!

Sorry for annoying you guys!

(Next time just post a two minute "Yep, you're right and we're working on it as best we can!" and it will shut me up!)

ThunderPeel2001
11-25-2006, 06:33 PM
I think it's the fact that he did do a banner for the Great Cow Race, which was put up around the time the game was released, as was the case with the Boneville banner. The Boneville banner kind of mysteriously reappeared after the server crash, but not before the Cow Race banner was up for like six months, and therefore pretty much impossible to just forget about.

Or am I just getting lost in someone's sarcasm and making a fool of myself?

Argh! :( Again, I did not know this. My apologies to Jake.

ThunderPeel2001
11-25-2006, 06:49 PM
Ok! Scratch that. Great big soppy apologies all round! I've just re-read the whole thread, and while it seems my enthusiasm was unmatched, I may have got a little too highly strung at the wrong people.

The higher-ups at Mojo did indeed keep us all abreast of what was going on, and although I still feel the responses were a little cold from certain people, I guess that's just me wanting my enthusiasm matched by over-worked bods.

Sorry, especially to Jake.