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Darth Groovy
03-27-2007, 04:01 AM
Heated debates among die hard original fans (most of which are close to my age) aside, I always dreamed of a live action Transformers movie when I was a kid, so I will see it regardless.

Images seen here (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=115458) have left me both excited and dissapointed at the same time. (some look cool, others absurd)

At any rate, i'll go see it. And the good part about this, is that for the second time in my life, I have re-discovered the Transformers and appreciate how cool they really are.

I even picked up a couple of the toys recently:

http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/Files_Main/81401298fd82_main400.jpg
http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/Files_AltA/812991d07dd7_a400.jpg
http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/Files_AltA/8129136cc8b8_a400.jpg

jon_hill987
03-27-2007, 04:55 AM
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/44182455de53c169c4.jpg

They are not exactly subtle when "in disguise", everyone is going to notice the logo on the back.

Darth Groovy
03-27-2007, 04:59 AM
LOL

I DO like this one though!

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/imagehosting/44182455e2605ced7b.jpg

Lightsaberboy
03-27-2007, 06:33 AM
They are not exactly subtle when "in disguise", everyone is going to notice the logo on the back.
Any humans that see it will just think, "ooh, what a nice design!"



Hugo Weaving has been cast as Megatron. Not Frank Welker, but I'm not disappointed. Hugo's got an amazing villan voice and I believe he can pull it off correctly.

jon_hill987
03-27-2007, 06:42 AM
Any humans that see it will just think, "ooh, what a nice design!"

Are we assuming said humans have not seen the toys/cartoon?

Anywho, I wonder how much it would cost for me to get a new bonnet (hood) made for my car with the logo embossed in like that...

Lightsaberboy
03-27-2007, 06:43 AM
I meant humans in the movie. Transformers cartoons don't exist in the movie so humans seeing the logo aren't gonna go "OMG AUTOBOT!"

Pho3nix
03-27-2007, 07:01 AM
It's a good thing it won't come out until July, I'll have something to look forward to after Spider-man 3 :p

And that 2007 model of the Camaro looks sweet.

Black Knight of Keno
03-27-2007, 07:37 AM
I still don't believe in Bumbelebee being a Camaro. And for what I have seen this far, all of them are much more "Hey, we should show our weak insides" instead of the classic, bulky "Dude, this is what I call armor". Why do they want to make it flashy and brand new while killing off what we loved in the old ones. But meh, I guess that's what they pretty much do to every single movie based on a comic book.

I'm gonna see it as soon as it comes out around here and then rant more about how Bumblebee has been wrongly done when made into a Camaro. You'll see. You'll all see...

jon_hill987
03-27-2007, 09:43 AM
I like the new look, the block like ones only looked like that because of the toys.

I think the Citroën C4 should be included in the film as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNHmwA7Ntcs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X7PAdSfHO8

Spider AL
03-27-2007, 11:59 AM
I think Prime still looks pretty good. Ironhide's not too bad either, and I think the modifications they've made to Megatron's face/helmet (http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=60381) following fan outrage at the earlier versions are pretty good. MUCH better.

But still... all the characters look a little samey, especially in their body-structure. I mean, I can understand the impulse to make them all "more alien-looking" but... let's face it, it's Transformers. Let's suspend some disbelief here. I would have preferred it if they'd stayed closer to the original, blockier character designs. I mean Starscream for instance... just looks very un-Starscream-like.

Jan Gaarni
03-27-2007, 01:39 PM
I'm gonna side with Al on this one apart from one point. :)

While I haven't seen Megatron in action yet, I don't particulary like his "new" look.

But, I'm still gonna go watch it, see how it is.

Prime
03-27-2007, 04:08 PM
But still... all the characters look a little samey, especially in their body-structure. I mean, I can understand the impulse to make them all "more alien-looking" but... let's face it, it's Transformers. Let's suspend some disbelief here. I would have preferred it if they'd stayed closer to the original, blockier character designs. I mean Starscream for instance... just looks very un-Starscream-like.Indeed. I'm not against changes, but I think that they could have made them a bit closer to the originals to at least make them immediately recognizable.

jon_hill987
03-27-2007, 04:11 PM
They are robots that turn into cars, how can you not recognise them?

Spider AL
03-27-2007, 04:16 PM
how can you not recognise them?Because they're in disguise, Jon.

Robots in disguise. Geddit?

:naughty:

Jeff
03-27-2007, 05:36 PM
Definitely looking forward to seeing this. Some of the robots looking a little more close to the originals would be nice but I still think most of them look pretty good.

MrWally
03-27-2007, 06:22 PM
I hate having a deprived childhood :(

I didn't watch TV, I climbed trees, played at the park, ran around with the natives... you know weird stuff. :xp:

RoxStar
03-27-2007, 06:23 PM
Hugo Weaving is doing the voice of Megatron :D

Spider AL
03-27-2007, 07:12 PM
Hmm, Frank Welker would have done a better job, frankly. Hugo Weaving's voice is his single most tedious and generic feature. :D

If they bothered to get Peter Cullen to voice Prime, they should have gone all the way and stuck with Welker for Megatron... They were both iconic voices, why have one and not the other?

Commander Obi-Wan
03-27-2007, 08:31 PM
I'll be seeing this movie this summer without a doubt. Looks pretty good, to me at least. ;)

Lightsaberboy
03-27-2007, 09:11 PM
Hmm, Frank Welker would have done a better job, frankly. Hugo Weaving's voice is his single most tedious and generic feature. :D

If they bothered to get Peter Cullen to voice Prime, they should have gone all the way and stuck with Welker for Megatron... They were both iconic voices, why have one and not the other?

who knows. Megatron only comes at the end anyways, so he wouldn't be speaking much. Plus maybe they wanted to get some big names in.

I'm not complaining tho. I think Weaving has a great voice and he's also a versatile actor, so his voice plus some synthetic alterations for the robotic feel can definitley make him sound villanous.

Lorden Darkblade
03-27-2007, 09:58 PM
I can't wait to see this movie... I was a really big fan of the old cartoon.
Specially the animated movie they made with Unicron.
I just didn't liked the new design of Megatron that much... Gotta wait and see though....

jebbers
03-28-2007, 04:26 PM
ran around with the natives...

*does happy dance*

Finally someone paid attention to us...and not in the slaughter-them-all-and-take-their-land way either!

Yea I can't wait to see this movie. I don't care if it sucks or not.

Prime
03-30-2007, 01:50 PM
They are robots that turn into cars, how can you not recognise them?Who are these guys and what do they transform into (an no cheating):

http://www.tfw2005.com/gallery/data/1617/medium/3947145ccc1859c30a.jpg
http://www.tfw2005.com/gallery/data/1615/medium/rr441824571197aa1587.jpg
http://www.tfw2005.com/gallery/data/1611/4418245f72476cbef4.jpg

Are you saying these characters are immediately recognizable to their original counterparts?

Again, I'm not saying that the designs are bad or any change is unwanted, but I figured it would help bring in old fans along with new...

Lightsaberboy
03-30-2007, 07:25 PM
I can see similarities with a bunch of the designs. Optimus is the most recognizable one. Jazz is pretty recognizable too and also has the visor, but like optimus it only comes down during battle mode. Bumblebee is a bright yellow car. Ratchet is still a rescue/emergency vehicle. ironhide is a huge dude. Starscream also has some similar design. his g1 desing had a triangular upper body, mostly due to the way the wings folded down behind him. In the movie, they give him a triangular chest as well.

And there are some new posters that you might've seen already
http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/OPT2.jpg
http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/MEG2.jpg

Spider AL
03-30-2007, 08:16 PM
Giving Optimus Prime a mouth is an awful idea. Sigh.

Lightsaberboy
03-30-2007, 11:33 PM
Here's the tv spot on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=106R2zZ9Ea0

both tv spots can be found here at ign:
http://media.movies.ign.com/media/568/568421/vids_1.html

rozo100
03-31-2007, 04:05 AM
Holy crap! there is a transformers movie? i bet they'll screw it up as they tend to do these days. i liked the original show on fox kids, sharkbyte was the best character by far.

BongoBob
03-31-2007, 12:27 PM
No offense, but how the f*** did you not know there was a transformers movie :eyeraise:

DarkStarMojo
03-31-2007, 11:22 PM
Both TV spots are fantastic but I prefer "Hidden". I think it shows a little more impressive visual effects which are needed to really sell the idea to a general audience. As for the designs, I'm really glad Ironhide and Ratchet are different from one another rather than carbon-copy repaints with a slightly modified head. Sure it would be nice if they had more throwbacks to their original bodies but both designs are cool enough that it really doesn't bother me. And I see so much of Ironhide's tough, southern personality in his design that, IMO, it captures the character far better than his rather arbitrary G1 version ever did.

Yup. I'm psyched. Hell, if my DA page doesn't say that, I don't know what will: http://legend-of-blackout.deviantart.com/ Shameless plug for the win and roll on 7-4-07!

Lightsaberboy
04-01-2007, 01:10 AM
I like "hidden" too, but "Destiny" had some cooler shots in it, like Starscream flying under the bridge then flipping over and transforming.

I also thought this was a nice cameo. old bumblebee meets new bumblebee
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/papakeelo/BB-1.jpg

Darth Groovy
04-01-2007, 02:54 AM
Those TV spots are great. Even if the movie blows nuggets of filthy awfulness, those TV spots will still be great. :smash:

Lightsaberboy
04-02-2007, 03:32 PM
http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/transformers/big_fight.jpg
Bonecrusher and Optimus duke it out on the freeway!

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/transformers/big_police.jpg
Sam is interrogated by Barricade about the whereabouts of the AllSpark

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/transformers/big_run.jpg
Whoa Bonecrusher's gonna bodycheck that bus! They even added his reflection in the bus window! So amazing the level of detail ILM goes to.

Darth Groovy
04-03-2007, 09:18 AM
Thanks for the images Lightsaberboy. I must have watched those trailers a dozen times now, just to pick up on something else. I'm very excited about it now. Those Transformers look great!

Pho3nix
04-03-2007, 04:11 PM
Yeah, I think they look great too.

It's weird how many people are negative about this movie, I'm sure it will turn out good.

Nalukai
04-04-2007, 02:20 AM
i am HIGHLY dissaponted in megatron and starscream..

megatron was a GUN wtf did a plane come from
?

and i see starscream in the trailer but he looks queer as a football bat in the drawing pics on that site.... i dunnno might be a good flick since spielberg is involved... but i dunno... looks like they are gonna revamp it too much to my tastes.

Lightsaberboy
04-04-2007, 02:24 AM
Starscream looks fine. He design is very similar to his G1 design, but since they're not using mass shifting, they have to compensate his huge upper body with a smaller lower body. the cockpit still folds down to his chest and his upper body has a triangular shape much like in G1, and he has 2 wings that come out of his back much like his cartoon design. Besides, his little move he does when he flips over the bridge and transforms mid-air in the tv spot is awesome.

and megatron being a gun wouldn't work in the film. Not to mention they don't want to deal with the mass shifting, it's stupid for the allmighty Megatron to turn into a gun and require someone else to fire him. That's like Darth Vader needing someone to swing his lightsaber for him. Besides, from what I know he stays in Cybertronian form most if not all of the movie anyways.

Spider AL
04-04-2007, 11:39 PM
Hmm. Simply put, Starscream is unrecognisable.

Look at Prime. You can recognise Prime. you look at that freeway screenshot, squint for a moment and state: "yep, that's old Opto. Yes it is."

Then you look at the Starscream images. He's brown, he's... chubby, for want of a better term, he has little short legs with reverse-jointed insect-feet and some sort of squished up bug-face. He looks nothing like Starscream.

If sources hadn't put the name of Starscream to that image, would we have said "Oh look, it's Starscream." Of course not.

Does this sort of obvious observation make those who point it out "negative nancies"? Likewise, of course it doesn't.

None of us have seen the movie, none of us can review it just yet. But the fact remains that changes HAVE been made to the characters. It's no use denying it. And there's no good reason for most of those changes, as far as I can tell. They kept Prime's "look" fairly intact. They could have done the same for all the characters.

This is Transformers. It's not any other alien-robot movie. It's a movie about a certain set of established characters. If you're going to keep one or two of those characters intact, why would you not keep them all intact? The answer is, there's no reason not to.

Lightsaberboy
04-05-2007, 11:42 AM
Starscream is recognizable enough. As I said, he has a lot of similarities to his cartoon designs. however since they're not using the mass shifting that made all the transformations look weird in G1, the design has to look slightly different and they have to compensate his huge upper body with a smaller lower body, especially if they don't want him to basically dwarf all the other autobots, which he almost does since he's already about twice the size of Jazz and Bumblebee.

plus, when he transforms in the tv spot, he looks badass.

Ratmjedi
04-09-2007, 12:37 AM
Regardless of how some of the characters aren't exactly going to look like there counterparts from the original series, I still think it's going to be a sweet movie. I just wonder how they end up on earth from Cybertron. Plus I think the new direction that they're going with in the design of the transformers is good. It is the year 2007 and the original designs were made in 1984, so they deserve a revamp.

:lsduel: :duel:

Lightsaberboy
04-09-2007, 02:36 AM
well from what i've gathered, Megatron heads to earth before the other transformers in search of the AllSpark, this thing that brings life to transformers. Optimus hid it there because Megatron wanted to use it to rule all of Cybertron. However when he lands on Earth, he lands in the artic and gets frozen over. Then some dudes from some secret organization called Sector Seven find him and take him for studying.

there's a prequel comic that's out that talks about the war on cybertron and stuff. There's also a prequel novel that's out called Transformers: Ghosts of yesterday. The setting for that is 1969 and Sector Seven created a shuttle called Ghost I from reverse engineering the technology they found while studying Megatron. The crew goes into space and somehow get warped to some distant galaxy, right between the Nemesis and Ark.

Prime
04-09-2007, 01:13 PM
Starscream is recognizable enough. As I said, he has a lot of similarities to his cartoon designs. I really don't see how you can say that this...

http://www.tfw2005.com/gallery/data/1621/medium/4418245c54f5d6c4a3.jpg

is recognizable as this and this...

http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Transformers---Starscream-Poster-C10095638.jpeg http://www.ncsxshop.com/images/products/large/1006/mp3_starscream_shop.jpg

They could certainly make the design very different yet immediately recognizable. Why deviate so drastically?

however since they're not using the mass shifting that made all the transformations look weird in G1, the design has to look slightly different and they have to compensate his huge upper body with a smaller lower bodyI'm not sure if the mass shifting explanation holds water. The toy above doesn't have mass shifting at all, yet it clearly looks like the Starscream from the cartoon. Saying that they want to get rid of mass shifting in no way prevents them from having a design that is reflective of (but not necessarily identical to) the original characters.

Curt-Man
04-09-2007, 03:55 PM
Live with it, I'm pretty sure the designers aren't surfing our forums taking our advice, no point in complaining about it.

But the movie still looks so amazing.

Spider AL
04-09-2007, 04:20 PM
Heheh... I don't think Prime posted his thoughts here in the expectation that the design team on the film would read them, Curt-Man.

Therefore there's as much of a "point" to Prime's evaluations as there is to your response. More of a "point", actually. Just because you think the movie looks "so amazing" doesn't mean that people can't criticise aspects of the trailers/concept art that they find negative now, does it. Of course it doesn't.

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Starscream is recognizable enough. As I said, he has a lot of similarities to his cartoon designs.He's not recognisable at all, as I've previously stated, and as Prime has proven with his images. He's a totally different alien robot.

If that's "recognisable enough" for you, that's good for you, but it's not sufficient for me, as is obvious from my posts.

As for the many "similarities to his cartoon design"... The old Starscream transformed into a plane. The new Starscream transforms into a plane, albeit a different one. That's basically the only meaningful similarity between the two character designs.

plus, when he transforms in the tv spot, he looks badass.That's not up for debate, as far as I'm aware. He may look "badass", he may not... but the point is he doesn't look like Starscream. And the question I've posed is: "why not"?

Black Knight of Keno
04-09-2007, 04:26 PM
Hugo Weaving is doing the voice of Megatron :D

Oh, that's great. Now I'll think Agent Smith has taken over the Decepticons when I see the movie :p

And yes, I'll have to agree that most of the Transformers will ned to get used to, but still, changing someone from a Beetle to a Camaro is just wrong. It's like changing Megatron from the classic gun into a fighter jet; You can adapt, but it's hard if you've learned to love the classic

Lightsaberboy
04-09-2007, 07:41 PM
And yes, I'll have to agree that most of the Transformers will ned to get used to, but still, changing someone from a Beetle to a Camaro is just wrong. It's like changing Megatron from the classic gun into a fighter jet; You can adapt, but it's hard if you've learned to love the classic
Well in G1, he didn't have a choice on what vehicle to pick, since Teletran I did all the selection. In this movie, they get to select their own vehicles, so why would someone want to pick a measly VW bug as their alt form :p . Besides, there's gonna be a bunch of high-speed chases in this movie, and quite frankly it would look a bit off seeing a VW beetle zoom down the road trying to look cool. and besides, a gun wouldn't work on the big screen. not only would mass shifting make it look dumb how a huge towering robot transforms into a teeny tiny gun, but he has to have someone else operate him. Not much of a threat there.

I'm not sure if the mass shifting explanation holds water. The toy above doesn't have mass shifting at all, yet it clearly looks like the Starscream from the cartoon. Saying that they want to get rid of mass shifting in no way prevents them from having a design that is reflective of (but not necessarily identical to) the original characters.

The toy is replicated from the cartoon design, but the cartoon design itself used mass shifting. If you noticed in the cartoons, when they transformed they would shift their weird parts around and everything wouldn't be proportionate and yet when they came in robot form they looked fine and all the robots were more or less the same size, regardless of their alt mode. This movie wants to do away with mass shifting, which means that the size of the vehicle is also reflective of the size of the transformer. When most of them transformed in the cartoon, they came out to about size as one another when fighting each other, but a F-22 is greatly larger than a Peterbilt truck, so when desigining the robot form, they want to make it so that when Starscream transforms, he basically doesn't tower over all of the other Autobots. Already his robot form is 4 ft taller than Optimus and almost twice the size of Bumblebee, but they have to work with what they have. In the cartoon, they didn't care about this proportion stuff and left it to mass shifting. That's the reason they made Optimus a long-nose truck instead of a flat-nose also, so they could have all that extra mass to make him bigger.

They could certainly make the design very different yet immediately recognizable. Why deviate so drastically?
They did make it recognizable. You're just not looking hard enough.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/lightsaberboy/untitled-1.jpg
notice how his cockpit folds down to his chest just like his old forms. His upper body maintains the same upside-down triangular shape. His wings can be seen protruding out of his back behind each shoulders. These are elements that make Starscream's essential design.



and Besides, all you guys are complaining about is the aesthetics of the Transformers. What's more important is their personalities. As far as I know, Starscream maintains his treacherous personality and will often bicker with Megatron just like in the cartoons. He is still Starscream and acts like him even if he might not look like it to you. Did you guys keep complaining about the batmobile in Batman Begins because it looked very different from the old designs? The X-Men didn't dress in colorful spandex in the movie, did you complain about that too? When they changed Bonds to Daniel Craig, were you guys complaining about how he looked nothing like the classic Bonds you were used to? and what about Superman's costume in Superman Returns? They kept that very similar to the comic design and everyone complained that it looked too goofy, even though the design was very similar to what they were used to.

I say we should hold judgement until the movie comes out. You guys are already passing it off because they don't look like the cartoons. When you go watch the movie, you're going to watch with a closed-mind only thinking about how it's nothing like the cartoon designs, and that's gonna make you think of everything negative about the movie when watching it. Don't take the movie as a literal interpretation of the cartoon. This is supposed to be a retelling of the franchise. Just go watch it with an open mind.

Black Knight of Keno
04-10-2007, 08:55 AM
Did you guys keep complaining about the batmobile in Batman Begins because it looked very different from the old designs?
Yes

The X-Men didn't dress in colorful spandex in the movie, did you complain about that too?
Never cared for the X-Men that much, but now that you mention it Wolverine looks way cooler with the yellow on.

When they changed Bonds to Daniel Craig, were you guys complaining about how he looked nothing like the classic Bonds you were used to?
Yes

and what about Superman's costume in Superman Returns? They kept that very similar to the comic design and everyone complained that it looked too goofy, even though the design was very similar to what they were used to
Nope. I think the new Superman outfit looks great. Very true to the comics.

Wow... I'm a whiny bitch. But at least my whines have a reason. Bring back the classics! :p

Spider AL
04-10-2007, 11:14 AM
In this movie, they get to select their own vehicles, so why would someone want to pick a measly VW bug as their alt form . Besides, there's gonna be a bunch of high-speed chases in this movie, and quite frankly it would look a bit off seeing a VW beetle zoom down the road trying to look cool.Ohhh you didn't just assert that a pathetic Camaro is cooler than a VW Beetle, (the epitome of retro cool) did you? How provincial of you. :D

Once again, you're making arbitrary value-judgements. Just because YOU think a Camaro is "more cool", (for whatever strange reason,) doesn't make it a good reason to drastically change an established Transformers character. Same goes for Michael Bay.

But let's face it, these vehicles weren't changed for any design-specific reason, they were changed because the filmmakers struck a deal with General Motors. Most of the vehicles in the movie are apparently GM vehicles.

It's a giant product-placement deal, and therefore it is not an artistic decision, and is arguably reprehensible from an artistic standpoint.

a F-22 is greatly larger than a Peterbilt truck, so when desigining the robot form, they want to make it so that when Starscream transforms, he basically doesn't tower over all of the other Autobots. Already his robot form is 4 ft taller than Optimus and almost twice the size of Bumblebee, but they have to work with what they have.Doesn't compute, Light. Doesn't compute.

The fact is that they've decided to make him fat, with a huge simian torso, and little short legs. INSTEAD of that, they could have made his torso more humanoid and therefore smaller (as befits the character) and made his legs more humanoid (as befits the character) without making him taller. He's got big long arms. Why? Add that mass to the legs instead. Move some bits around. A child could do it.

Cut it how you like Light, this is NOT recognisable as Starscream, it's a new character design entirely, and there's simply no good reason for it. I'm baffled as to why you're denying this obvious fact. If you LIKE the new character, fine, say so... but don't deny that it IS a new character. That doesn't make any kind of sense.

notice how his cockpit folds down to his chest just like his old forms. His upper body maintains the same upside-down triangular shape. His wings can be seen protruding out of his back behind each shoulders. These are elements that make Starscream's essential design. His torso was NOT an inverted triangular shape in the original designs. It was a basically proportioned humanoid torso. Proof: http://graysmatter.codivation.com/content/binary/starscream.jpg . There were wings on his back, but they were like a cloak.

This new character does indeed have wings poking out of his back somewhere, but that doesn't offset the fact that his whole body is totally different to Starscream's. Same goes for the cockpit. Frankly, if these nitpicky little minute similarities are the closest you can come to linking the two utterly disparate character designs, my case is proven.

and Besides, all you guys are complaining about is the aesthetics of the Transformers. What's more important is their personalities. As far as I know, Starscream maintains his treacherous personality and will often bicker with Megatron just like in the cartoons. He is still Starscream and acts like him even if he might not look like it to you. Oh please, you have no idea whether they've handled the personalities well yet. If/When they release some footage that shows dialogue or character interactions we'll be able to comment on the way Bay has handled the personalities.

Until then, all we can talk about is character design, because that's all we've been shown. And contrary to your baffling protestations, these character designs are nothing like the original transformers.

Amusingly presented examples: http://graysmatter.codivation.com/HowToDestroyAChildhoodMemoryInFourPictures.aspx

And frankly, the fact that Bay's been willing to change so much about the characters bodies doesn't bode well for what he's willing to do to their personalities. As a fan, it worries me.

Did you guys keep complaining about the batmobile in Batman Begins because it looked very different from the old designs?There were examples of Batman using vehicles similar in design to the Tumbler in the comics. Therefore it was a canonical design choice. I could cite the highly influential "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller as just one example. So what's your point?

Let me put it this way: This new character purporting to be "Starscream" is equivalent to removing Batman's bat-ears. Consider.

The X-Men didn't dress in colorful spandex in the movie, did you complain about that too?I'm with Keno, I never liked the stupid X-Men anyway. And the movies were pretty awful too.

Still, what they've done to Starscream is like taking away two of Wolverine's claws. The question is: Why would one do it?

When they changed Bonds to Daniel Craig, were you guys complaining about how he looked nothing like the classic Bonds you were used to?Well I wasn't, because as a fan of Ian Fleming's Bond novels, I knew that Daniel Craig was closer to the character as written by Fleming than any of the previous actors who played it onscreen. Connery included.

And once again, what they've done to Starscream is the equivalent of giving James Bond a baseball cap. Does it match the character's normal mode of dress? Nope. So why do it?

I say we should hold judgement until the movie comes out. You guys are already passing it off because they don't look like the cartoons. When you go watch the movie, you're going to watch with a closed-mind only thinking about how it's nothing like the cartoon designs, and that's gonna make you think of everything negative about the movie when watching it. Oh take your straw-man away and burn it, will you. Nobody's saying "OMG Starscream's a new character so the entire movie will be awful", so stop suggesting that we are.

Furthermore, the idea that we're such children that we won't be able to enjoy a movie on its own merits is just insulting. I for one may enjoy the movie... but I won't enjoy recognising all my favourite transformers... because there are only two recognisable transformers in the movie that I've seen so far.

I am saying that this specific design choice is dubious, with negative aspects. Also, that it doesn't necessarily bode well for design choices we HAVEN'T heard about yet. End of story.

Prime
04-10-2007, 01:46 PM
Live with it, I'm pretty sure the designers aren't surfing our forums taking our advice, no point in complaining about it.Where am I complaining that the new designs suck or that the designers should change it? I have said repeatedly that I am open to changes.

My point was why deviate so drastically from the original characters, if they are to be reflective of the original characters. My other point was to counter the claim that Starscream is immediately recognizable as the original character.

Again, I'm not saying his new design blows or everything should look exactly like the cartoon. So don't put words in my mouth. ;)

And we should have any opinions on anything because they won't reach the ears of the creators??? Or just opinions that say there are no flaws? Why is it bad to question why things were done a certain way?

The toy is replicated from the cartoon design, but the cartoon design itself used mass shifting.Actually, the cartoon was used to sell the toys, and the characters were reflective of their toy counterparts, since that is why the cartoon came into existence.

In any event, that is not the point. My point is that the toy shows that you can easily design a model that uses no mass shifting (as no toy does) yet looks closer to the recognizable character. I'm saying that the idea that mass shifting is necessary to make the character look more similar is not true at all. I'm not saying Starscream needed to be a copy, I'm saying he pretty much could have been if desired.

This movie wants to do away with mass shifting, which means that the size of the vehicle is also reflective of the size of the transformer. When most of them transformed in the cartoon, they came out to about size as one another when fighting each other, but a F-22 is greatly larger than a Peterbilt truck, so when desigining the robot form, they want to make it so that when Starscream transforms, he basically doesn't tower over all of the other Autobots.But he does tower over other Autobots. (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=109182) If Starscream is 32 feet high, then he does tower over Jazz (13 feet), Bumblebee (17 feet), Ratchet (24 feet), and Iron Hide (26 feet). In the case of Jazz and Bumblebee, he is twice their size. So if their goal was to make him not tower over them, they seem to have failed.

and Besides, all you guys are complaining about is the aesthetics of the Transformers. What's more important is their personalities.I'm not complaining about anything. I'm saying that the statement was that Starscream is immediately recognizable as his cartoon/toy/comic counterpart is a reach at best. That's all. And the question was posed as why that's the case, since other characters, like Optimus, are indeed much closer to their original designs. There certainly aren't any real technical reasons for it, as I have tried to point out.

And to say their appearance doesn't make much difference at all, I don't really agree with either. Yes their personalities are important, but they are equally well known and popular because of the toys, which are physical things known for transformations and appearance.

Did you guys keep complaining about the batmobile in Batman Begins because it looked very different from the old designs?No, because it's design is actually closer to the original in the The Dark Knight Returns comic.

The X-Men didn't dress in colorful spandex in the movie, did you complain about that too? No, because Wolverine, Cyclops, Colossus, Storm, Professor X and Co. were immediately recognizable as their comic counterparts.

and what about Superman's costume in Superman Returns? They kept that very similar to the comic design and everyone complained that it looked too goofy, even though the design was very similar to what they were used to.I loved it, precisely for that reason.

I say we should hold judgement until the movie comes out. You guys are already passing it off because they don't look like the cartoons. When you go watch the movie, you're going to watch with a closed-mind only thinking about how it's nothing like the cartoon designs, and that's gonna make you think of everything negative about the movie when watching it. Don't take the movie as a literal interpretation of the cartoon. This is supposed to be a retelling of the franchise. Just go watch it with an open mind.Not once did I say that the movie was going to be bad. Not once did I say I wasn't looking forward to it or thought the designs were terrible. Not once did I say the characters should look just like the cartoons. Not once did I say the movie should be a literal interpretation of the comics/cartoon. You are the one that is jumping to the conclusion that I hate all of it because I disagree that Starscream looks like his old self.

Lightsaberboy
04-10-2007, 04:02 PM
But he does tower over other Autobots. If Starscream is 32 feet high, then he does tower over Jazz (13 feet), Bumblebee (17 feet), Ratchet (24 feet), and Iron Hide (26 feet). In the case of Jazz and Bumblebee, he is twice their size. So if their goal was to make him not tower over them, they seem to have failed.

That's why I said they had to work with what they had. an F-22 by itself is already way bigger than all those other vehicles, so there's only so much they could do with the designs.

I apologize if I sound like I'm attacking people. It's just that i've heard people complain about the designs since last year so it gets tiring after a while hearing people say the same things over and over, about Starscream this, and bumblebee that, optimus this, megatron that. I loved watching the original cartoons. I loved watching Beast Wars. I know that there is more to the transformers series than just G1. I'm just gonna take this movie for what it is: another part of the overall Transformers franchise.

Curt-Man
04-11-2007, 05:12 PM
Remind me never to speak my unthought through thoughts on the forums again :p

MrWally
04-11-2007, 05:59 PM
Yessir.

Never speak your unthought through thoughts on the forums again.

You're welcome.

narfblat
04-12-2007, 12:29 AM
At least one of the changes may be less frivilous than you think. A link in a forum my brother was on said that VW had refused to let them use the beetle in their movie. Silly Germans. :)

Lightsaberboy
04-12-2007, 02:00 AM
They could've gone with another smaller car like a minicooper or a pt cruiser. Eh the camaro seems fine. the only thing that bothers me is that he's now taller than bumblebee, but that's because a camaro is already bigger than a pontiac solstice.

Prime
04-12-2007, 11:47 AM
Remind me never to speak my unthought through thoughts on the forums again :pDon't let that stop you. My unthought through thoughts are just more longwinded than yours. :D

Rogue15
04-12-2007, 12:33 PM
didnt know that many people were into transformers...i'd rather see beast wars, tbh.

Lorden Darkblade
04-12-2007, 11:19 PM
I always liked the original Transformers more.
I have to agree that some of the robots are very different from what they were before, but I'll try not to judge the film before I see it which by the way I'm very anxious about. ;)

BongoBob
04-13-2007, 12:12 AM
didnt know that many people were into transformers...i'd rather see beast wars, tbh.

I never really watched Transformers. Beast Wars, however, I watched religiously.

Beast Wars > * :xp:

Prime
04-13-2007, 11:03 AM
didnt know that many people were into transformers...i'd rather see beast wars, tbh.I think it is a generational thing. :)

DarkStarMojo
04-13-2007, 04:47 PM
I think it is a generational thing. :)

Yep. I loved Beast Wars and I'd love to one day see a Beast Wars live action movie. For now, though, a new continuity based on G1 on the big screen is an awesome idea.

Now, before the debate gets too far out of hand ;) here's a little bit of news:

a new TV spot leaked:

http://www.tfw2005.com/
Right on the front page. Looks pretty cool but Prime's mouth is a bit distracting.

Lightsaberboy
04-13-2007, 11:32 PM
the mouth's gonna take some getting used to, but hearing him speak was awesome.

RoxStar
04-13-2007, 11:48 PM
THAT ****ER GAVE PRIME GIRL LIPS!

Lorden Darkblade
04-14-2007, 12:05 AM
Awesome video.
I'm really anxious about this movie. I have one question though, in any of these trailers and spots for tv has Megatron appeared?

Lightsaberboy
04-14-2007, 12:09 AM
he was in the "hidden" tv spot, but only for .2 seconds in his frozen form.

Spider AL
04-14-2007, 12:20 PM
Awful mouth with awful animation!

What an awful decision to make.

acdcfanbill
04-14-2007, 03:18 PM
hegerrrrk... urgnnn... UNGK! *death*

*from beyond the grave* Michael Bay you bastard!

Lorden Darkblade
04-14-2007, 07:44 PM
he was in the "hidden" tv spot, but only for .2 seconds in his frozen form.

Really?
I didn't see...
I'm curious about how he'll look in the movie.

MrWally
04-14-2007, 08:15 PM
Well, I don't think the lips are enough to make the movie any less enjoyable...

But it seems like half the world disagrees with me.

Lightsaberboy
04-21-2007, 11:13 AM
first audio clip of starscream from the sector seven site:
http://www.sectorseven.org/classified/anomalie3-402mig.mp3

from what I can hear, he says,"Attention sector seven. Starscream. The AllSpark will be mine, regardless of your intentions." I can't make out the last part tho, but he sounds like he's up to his shady ways as always. But the voice sounds pretty good. Not sure why it keeps warping the way it does tho, but who knows.

Pho3nix
04-21-2007, 11:17 AM
first audio clip of starscream from the sector seven site:
http://www.sectorseven.org/classified/anomalie3-402mig.mp3

from what I can hear, he says,"Attention sector seven. Starscream. The AllSpark will be mine, regardless of your intentions." I can't make out the last part tho, but he sounds like he's up to his shady ways as always. But the voice sounds pretty good. Not sure why it keeps warping the way it does tho, but who knows.

Sounds okay to me.

Black Knight of Keno
04-21-2007, 12:04 PM
It says, at least to my ear:
"Attention, sector seven. Starscream. The AllSpark will be mine, regardless of your intentions. Face another nation"

Lightsaberboy
04-22-2007, 10:53 AM
some news about the leaked spot with Optimus speaking. It is in fact not Optimus or Cullen's voice, but something that was added in for test purposes.
from Bay's blog:
>> The unreleased ad (Prime speaks) that was posted on youtube was a test that European were making with the ads. The clip where OP was "speaking," lets just say that it wasn't OP or Cullen speaking. It was something the European studios added on their own. In fact, it was a test shot.
makes sense since he sounded a lot lower and raspy in that spot than he normally does.

http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/newsblog.html

Spider AL
04-22-2007, 02:52 PM
Wasn't Cullen eh, that's good. I hope it wasn't the finished mouth animation either, because it's so crap.

It says, at least to my ear:
"Attention, sector seven. Starscream. The AllSpark will be mine, regardless of your intentions. Face another nation"Sounds more like "face annihilation" to me. The voice sounds okay, a little generic voice-actey. Not very distinctive.

Curt-Man
04-22-2007, 09:09 PM
a new TV spot leaked:

http://www.tfw2005.com/
Right on the front page. Looks pretty cool but Prime's mouth is a bit distracting.

couldn't find it.

Prime
04-23-2007, 03:34 PM
first audio clip of starscream from the sector seven site:
http://www.sectorseven.org/classified/anomalie3-402mig.mp3Let's face it. Not their fault, but if it isn't Chris Latta, I'm going to think it is inferior.

Jan Gaarni
04-23-2007, 04:52 PM
I kinda agree with you there, Prime :)

If it doesn't sound like Starscream, it isn't quite Starscream ;)

I'll have to watch the movie first though, maybe it'll change my mind.

EDIT: Uuu, didn't read the whole thread propperly I see.

Starscream looks like a big, fat gorilla if you ask me.
Nothing wrong with gorillas, don't get me wrong, but he didn't used to look like an animal. :rolleyes:

And I'm almost afraid to ask, but, what does Megatron transform into?
Can't really guess what from his 'human' form. :confused:

Prime
04-24-2007, 11:58 AM
And I'm almost afraid to ask, but, what does Megatron transform into?Ass. :p

Spider AL
04-24-2007, 12:24 PM
He transforms into ass?

OMG. I thought Michael Bay was making some dubious choices, but this is beyond the pale. :haw:

DarkStarMojo
04-24-2007, 12:56 PM
couldn't find it.

The clip's been pulled, unfortunately. :( But that's the problem with leaks like this.

Anyhow, the "TV Spot" seems to have been an amalgamation of different footage and effects put together to gauge how the trailers should be paced, mood, atmosphere, etc. That would explain the shot of Prime talking. He's neither saying what the voice is saying (his movement of his mouth doesn't quite sync up to the words "My name is Optimus Prime") and there's no way in hell he could bend down that far to talk to Sam and Mikaela, unless he was as flexible as an ostrich. Basically, a shot of Sam and Mikaela looking at Optimus was combined with an unfinished shot of Prime's head talking with a different voice thrown over it. The voice, apparently, was also altered by the European divisions of the studios to make it deeper.

As for Starscream's voice, rumor is that it's a fan voice actor who actually tried out for the movie but, supposedly didn't get a part in the film. Regardless of who it is, I rather like the clip. It sounds oily enough to be Starscream without being overly screeching and high pitched, which would kill any shred of serious deadliness the character's supposed to have.

Lightsaberboy
05-10-2007, 10:09 PM
a bunch of high res pics of the transformers now. From the top then left to right they go Optimus, bumblebee, irohide, Jazz, Megatron, starscream, Blackout, and Frenzy.

http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/newsblog.html

Pho3nix
05-11-2007, 04:05 AM
a bunch of high res pics of the transformers now. From the top then left to right they go Optimus, bumblebee, irohide, Jazz, Megatron, starscream, Blackout, and Frenzy.

http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/newsblog.html

I have to admit they look pretty ****ing cool

....except Frenzy :xp:

Jan Gaarni
05-11-2007, 11:27 AM
Well, I'm still prolly gonna go see it, but I'm abit afraid I'm not going to fully enjoy it as I was hoping.

Optimus will be pretty easy to recognise though, I'm happy about that. :)
Jazz wasn't too hard to recognise either. Pretty slick, as Jazz is. :D

Next I'd say possibly, maaaybe, Bumblebee, but I'm not sure.

As for the others, if there wasn't a nametag on them, I'd never guess it in a million years. :rolleyes:

Lorden Darkblade
05-11-2007, 11:41 AM
Awesome pics!!!
I really can't wait for this movie!!! ;)

Prime
05-14-2007, 04:23 PM
Interesting that at the end of that featurette they use the original transformation sound twice. I wonder if that is in the film? My impression is that it wasn't...

Michael Bay: "I only want to do this movie if I can make it dead real...believable. Not cartoony in any way."

Have you even seen your own movies, Mike?

Heavyarms
05-14-2007, 07:07 PM
This movie will be awesome. I will make a broad range of comments on what I've read through the thread.

1. Artistic style has changed dramatically since when it aired. The Transformers actually produce arms and legs out of the vehicles this time, meaning their designs in some cases (and looks) had to be modified in order to make them believable. For instance, Starscream would look dumb now as a red and blue F-15 now. A grey F-22 is more believable, but I do agree that they shouldn't have made him so bulky, but it lends to the believability that an aircraft's fuselage is that believable. It was probably make him stocky or make him tall. I'll take stocky over Godzilla height.

2. Hugo Weaving I like because he's going to be much more sinister where the old Megatron guy sounds like a raspy old man with a cane who is remotely dangerous.

3. The audience is much bigger, and needs more believability. Anyone heard the old fighting sounds? You hear them now and you shake your head.

I'm really excited. I want to see Optimus Prime and Mega-dump go at it and Prime rip his head off and use it as a volleyball.

Lightsaberboy
05-17-2007, 03:35 AM
new tv spot that aired with American Idol today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVJ06ixj19Q

also look for new trailer to come online after 10:00 PST thurs.

CapNColostomy
05-17-2007, 04:12 AM
Wow. Unicron couldn't have done a better job of ****ing destroying the Transformers.

Lorden Darkblade
05-17-2007, 10:26 AM
Didn't showed much...
I saw a part of StarScream there though. Sound was very bad, anyone know of another one with a better sound?

DarkStarMojo
05-17-2007, 04:06 PM
Don't worry about the TV spot. Check this out:

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html

The Final Theatrical Trailer (in no less than 3 high def resolutions).

WARNING: They show A LOT. If you don't want any more visual spoilers before July 4th DO NOT download the trailer, see Shrek 3, Spider Man 3, or Pirates 3. :p

Prime
05-17-2007, 04:20 PM
I'm starting to get excited about this movie again. My head says I will be disappointed, but my heart says "Transform and roll out!!"

Darth Groovy
05-17-2007, 07:37 PM
Even if the movie sucks, it had some really cool trailers! ;)

Pho3nix
05-19-2007, 08:16 AM
Apparently there's a new trailer out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uXvqfQvNI

Nice.

Commander Obi-Wan
05-19-2007, 01:19 PM
Intense.

Hopefully, the movie will turn out just fine.

Lorden Darkblade
05-19-2007, 03:35 PM
wooooow....
The movie may suck but the trailers just keep getting better and better!!!

Prime
05-19-2007, 11:26 PM
Is it just me, or does Jazz sound like a squeaker toy when he is getting thrown around by Starscream?

Lightsaberboy
05-20-2007, 04:44 AM
I hear it too. poor dude's getting the life squeaked out of him as he's thrown around by Megatron, who's twice his size.

but it's also heard at around 2:15 when Megatron transforms again, so it could be coming from him.

Lorden Darkblade
05-20-2007, 11:35 AM
Megatron?! Aw man I didn't noticed him...
Could you guys say at which time he appear??

RoxStar
05-20-2007, 12:51 PM
I'm starting to get excited about this movie again. My head says I will be disappointed, but my heart says "Transform and roll out!!"

I'm hoping that Shia LaBeouf isn't the Annoying ****head I believe him to be, and that Starscream will be the hardcore slimeball that I remember him being.

Lightsaberboy
05-20-2007, 04:54 PM
Megatron?! Aw man I didn't noticed him...
Could you guys say at which time he appear??

he's the one that looks like a bunch of jagged metal edges, kinda looks like Doomsday.he stomps on Jazz near the top of a building, also flings a whip-like weapon towards Shia, and jumps down on the ground and transforms again.



I'm hoping that Shia LaBeouf isn't the Annoying ****head I believe him to be, and that Starscream will be the hardcore slimeball that I remember him being.
Shia's not that bad of an actor. he's gotten quite a bit of range since his Disney days.

Lightsaberboy
06-04-2007, 01:58 AM
some exclusive clips shown at the mtv movie awards.

optimus and Bonecrusher duke it out on freeway.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0kZHybANP4k

an mtv exclusive montage, mostly featuring the 4 GMC autobots Jazz, Bumblebee, Ironhide, and Ratchet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_wqjodSoro&NR=1

also transformers spoof during the actual awards. Sarah Silverman needs to find last-minute host.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wAnWecdyY

Heavyarms
06-08-2007, 11:19 PM
Two of your links have had the videos removed (last 2).

The trailers are awesome. Spielberg loves the movie. Saying he makes (pretty) good movies, I think it's gonna be great.

BTW, love that part of the trailer where it says, "some will come to protect us" and you just see Optimus Prime pull up, and anyone who knows anything about American pop-culture knows Optimus is comin'. I just can't wait to see Optimus absolutely maul Mega-dump.

Prime
06-10-2007, 08:32 PM
I like this shirt:

http://www.michaelbay.com/images/shirts001.jpg

BongoBob
06-11-2007, 01:22 AM
That shirt is quite easily the funniest thing I've seen this week :D

Heavyarms
07-02-2007, 11:25 PM
Saw it tonight. Go see it. Great movie. Starts a little slow, but it picks up and when it does it is amazing. Definitely a sequel coming. Throws in a lot of comedy as well as action and some seriousness.

BTW, the transformers transforming is absolutely jaw-dropping awesome. They all look good too.

Lynk Former
07-03-2007, 12:21 AM
@ Heavyarms: Should post in this thread, also has a poll so we can see what the general opinion of the movie is in this place... *points at link*

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=179968

Darth Groovy
07-03-2007, 03:17 PM
Already purchased my tickets for myself and my employees. We are going Sunday, July 8 at 7 pm., so that even those who work get a chance to go.