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Ctrl Alt Del
05-04-2007, 10:20 PM
Members of the area Chinese community have rallied behind a Clements High School senior who was removed from the campus and sent to M.R. Wood Alternative Education Center after parents complained he’d created a computer game map of Clements.

About 70 people attended the Fort Bend Independent School District’s April 23 meeting to show support for the Clements senior and his mother, Jean Lin, who spoke to FBISD Board trustees in a closed session.

While an agenda document does not specify details, the board is holding a special meeting tonight to address the boy’s actions and the discipline that was meted out as a result, sources close to the matter say. The boy’s name was not identified last week, and the district has declined to discuss his case.

Richard Chen, president of the Fort Bend Chinese-American Voters League and a acquaintance of the boy’s family, said he is a talented student who enjoys computer games and learned how to create maps (also sometimes known as “mods”), which provide new environments in which games may be played.

The map the boy designed mimicked Clements High School. And, sources said, it was uploaded either to the boy’s home computer or to a computer server where he and his friends could access and play on it. Two parents apparently learned from their children about the existence of the game, and complained to FBISD administrators, who investigated.

“They arrested him,” Chen said of FBISD police, “and also went to the house to search.” The Lin family consented to the search, and a hammer was found in the boy’s room, which he used to fix his bed, because it wasn’t in good shape, Chen said. He indicated police seized the hammer as a potential weapon.

The whole news and source: (link) (http://www.fortbendnow.com/news/2847/chinese-community-rallies-behind-student-removed-from-clements-over-pc-game-map)
Come on now: I don't live on USA, but I think I know what happens in there: A couple of crazy teenagers kill their classmates and teachers. That happened once, twice, again... And to think: Isn't that a little uncalled for?

Edit tk102: fixed news link

GTK + JA = fun
05-04-2007, 11:26 PM
Oh brother, I mean c'mon, since when are people arrested for making game maps?? He made a map of his highschool and he gets arrested, cute.

I guess nowadays everyone thinks that games are the root of all evil . . . .so not true

SilentScope001
05-04-2007, 11:44 PM
I'll wait until we get more information. Yes, the guy made a game map, but it was used to refer the police to investiage him. There may be other warning signs associated with this...or it may be blantant discrimnation. Hard to tell.

I've read someone made a map of a school where he placed pictures of one person over and over again within a school map. People go and shoot the copies of that same person...over and over and over...

Ironically, it was done to protest the Colubmian School Shootings, by showing how trite and evil they are. Very good satire. I'm suprised nobody did anything to them.

Jae Onasi
05-05-2007, 12:00 AM
Yeah, there's got to be more to this than meets the eye. If he had a map of the school and it was a shooter game, obviously that's cause for concern. I can't imagine the police getting called in for a simple map--that doesn't sound right.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-05-2007, 03:16 PM
And yeah, the chinese community there were all supporting the boy. Strangely enough, the own boys parents complained about the map...

stoffe
05-05-2007, 03:30 PM
This story sounds very odd to me. Unless he made the map on the school using the school's computers (and in so doing violated some rule about how the school computers may be used) it shouldn't be any of the school's business what someone who studies there does in his spare time.

And unless the school is protected by national/military security laws making it illegal to make and distribute maps of it (electronic or otherwise) it sounds pretty odd he'd be arrested. Don't you have to be suspected of a crime before the police can arrest you in the US?

ExiledFish
05-05-2007, 03:45 PM
well that throws away my earth mod for tsl. * WINK* It is kinda pathetic.

tk102
05-05-2007, 03:48 PM
*Jack Thompson rubs his hands and laughs maniacally*

Ctrl Alt Del
05-05-2007, 04:12 PM
*Jack Thompson rubs his hands and laughs maniacally*


Lol, I posted almost the same thing on another forum. Maybe he's the idiot prosercuting the boy?

Don't you have to be suspected of a crime before the police can arrest you in the US?

That's like Napoleon laws. Isn't it?

igyman
05-05-2007, 05:36 PM
Yeah, there's got to be more to this than meets the eye. If he had a map of the school and it was a shooter game, obviously that's cause for concern. I can't imagine the police getting called in for a simple map--that doesn't sound right.

Are you suggesting it could have become another ''student massacres classmates and teachers with an automated rifle'' case?

Ctrl Alt Del
05-05-2007, 05:43 PM
Yeah, there's got to be more to this than meets the eye. If he had a map of the school and it was a shooter game, obviously that's cause for concern. I can't imagine the police getting called in for a simple map--that doesn't sound right.


Also, Counter Strike is a shooter.

CSI
05-05-2007, 06:31 PM
Oh, brother...CS is a First Person Shooter game...That would mimic the disaster of Verginia Tech. We don't want similiar disaster happen in Clemente High, right?

Sigh...

Jae Onasi
05-05-2007, 06:36 PM
Also, Counter Strike is a shooter.

Well, dear, I didn't know that. CS to me refers to CS gas (tear gas). :)

@stoffe--it'd probably fall under 'conspiracy/threat to commit a felony' or something like that if it was an _imminent_ threat, but don't quote me on that.
If you have someone who had all the weapons bought and maps drawn up and ammunition loaded to go commit a crime, you can arrest him on that direct threat to commit the crime. The actual charges in court may end up being different, of course.

stoffe
05-05-2007, 07:19 PM
@stoffe--it'd probably fall under 'conspiracy/threat to commit a felony' or something like that if it was an _imminent_ threat, but don't quote me on that.
If you have someone who had all the weapons bought and maps drawn up and ammunition loaded to go commit a crime, you can arrest him on that direct threat to commit the crime.

I didn't know it is illegal to kill someone in a computer game (or as in this case, prepare to kill someone in a computer game). If that's the case there are a disturbing high percentage of mass murderers running free among the population younger than 30. Most visitors of this site would be felons. :)

MTV2
05-05-2007, 07:21 PM
i was actually thinking of doing a CS map of my school then playing Online with my friends in it. Never got around to doing it, i guess I'm better off not to even attempt it :/

Jae Onasi
05-05-2007, 08:01 PM
I didn't know it is illegal to kill someone in a computer game (or as in this case, prepare to kill someone in a computer game). If that's the case there are a disturbing high percentage of mass murderers running free among the population younger than 30. Most visitors of this site would be felons. :)

:D

Depends if it was set up as a 'game' to practice an actual shoot in the actual building or not. If it was a rehearsal program rather than a game and the kid had a stash of weapons and something else indicating to someone that he was going to actually shoot people in the school, then that's a problem.

I'm just saying I don't think we have the whole story here--I think there's more to this than 'we arrested a kid for making a shooter game involving his school'. They had to have more evidence than just the game to go on in order to arrest the kid. We may never know everything, either. A lot of juvenile records get sealed.

Dagobahn Eagle
05-05-2007, 09:27 PM
One idiot said that the connection to Cho (OMG they r both teh SLIT-EYEZ!111) was 'eerie'. Not only Arabs are subject to racism.

Anyways, I once set out to make my US High School for SWAT 3. Not because I wanted to shoot it up, but because I liked the school and wanted to play the game there. I also advocated a section of my hometown for a late BF 2 aliens-vs-humans mod called Shattered Faith. Doesn't mean I want my town to be invaded by aliens, but because I like that section of the city and want to experience it ingame. Plus that it makes for a damned nice fighting environment.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-05-2007, 09:28 PM
I'm just saying I don't think we have the whole story here--I think there's more to this than 'we arrested a kid for making a shooter game involving his school'. They had to have more evidence than just the game to go on in order to arrest the kid. We may never know everything, either. A lot of juvenile records get sealed.


Yeah, but we can see the big picture, and even if those news are biased (probably for the policemen's sake) there isn't a "weapon for a feasible crime".

A hammer? Oh, that's big! Then I'm a serial killer with my penknife here, my eye!

stoffe
05-06-2007, 06:37 AM
Depends if it was set up as a 'game' to practice an actual shoot in the actual building or not. If it was a rehearsal program rather than a game and the kid had a stash of weapons and something else indicating to someone that he was going to actually shoot people in the school, then that's a problem.


I wouldn't call a hammer used to fix a bed a stash of weapons suitable for a shooting spree. But in the context of arresting a 12 year old girl for bringing a pair of scissors to school I suppose it makes sense (even if it does not, from my perspective).

Counterstrike is a multiplayer game where anti-terrorist forces and terrorists battle against each other. Should half the players of the game get arrested since they obviously are training to commit acts of terrorism? :)

The legal system sounds fairly hollow if anyone could get arrested without any proof on the mere suspicion that they might some day commit a crime.

tk102
05-06-2007, 10:22 AM
The legal system sounds fairly hollow if anyone could get arrested without any proof on the mere suspicion that they might some day commit a crime.Spoken like a true thoughtcriminal. The Ministry of Love* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four) will be with you shortly, stoffe.

Q
05-06-2007, 04:06 PM
^^^
Sadly true. The concept of thoughtcrime is becoming more and more real every day, along with arrests by the Thought Police.

Jae Onasi
05-06-2007, 04:26 PM
I wouldn't call a hammer used to fix a bed a stash of weapons suitable for a shooting spree. But in the context of arresting a 12 year old girl for bringing a pair of scissors to school I suppose it makes sense (even if it does not, from my perspective).


The 12 year old girl I think had told someone she was going to stab another girl with the scissors, hence the excitement.

I agree with you on that if it's just a hammer. If he had any guns, however, it's a different story. I'm just saying I don't think we have all the info, I'm not saying the cops were right.

Darth InSidious
05-06-2007, 04:58 PM
Spoken like a true thoughtcriminal. The Ministry of Love* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four) will be with you shortly, stoffe.

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!

GTK + JA = fun
05-06-2007, 05:05 PM
Yeah I hope we get more of the story . . . .

I don't really play or own many first Person Shooters (I think I only own like 3-4) and the ones I do have are like Battlefront and Jedi Academy lol I am not one to really to play a game that involves shooting people in modern day society like grand theft auto does and similar games but fantasty worlds like Starwars and Halo that have imaginary weapons and imaginay items like sheilds and stuff.

I don't see a major issue with games like Grand Theft Auto but it does bother me a bit when I see someone play a game like that where you just shoot and kill people and steal cars on the streets . . . . . it is, how should I say this . . . too close to the real thing, unlike Halo, where yes there is violence but your shooting aliens and stuff. I don't play the multiplayer stuff Halo has and I am in no way try to justify a certian point of view just a thought really.
So with the topic of the guy who made a map of his school, I have no problem with it unless we uncover more of the story to a probable cause for them to arrest him. I think making a map of his school and no other evidence is a bit overboard.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-06-2007, 05:33 PM
What bothers me more, is that they probably even bothered with him because he choose a school as the background. If it wasn't it, maybe a plaza or a square near his house, the cops would probably download the map and play it themselves!

The ones that might support that attitude (if there're someone), will probably say that the boy hates his classmates and teachers, thus created a map on a shooter. Next step is shooting everybody there on the real life! That's where paranoia comes in. A child or a teenager, spends most of it's day on school/sleeping, so, as uninteresting as a "bed" map would seems, one would rather create a school: An environment which he spent the life he can remember.

GarfieldJL
05-06-2007, 06:00 PM
Or he just wanted to create a realistic environment that was rather large and ended up using his school cause he knew it best. Seriously, the cops could have used it for training. The shooter in the Virginia Tech incident was a English Lit major, not someone in Computer Graphics. Seriously if he was planning to go on a rampage he'd need a lot more than a worn out hammer. In this case, I think the Police were a little out of line, however they should have asked him to take down the level and change it so it didn't match his school so closely.

Dagobahn Eagle
05-06-2007, 09:17 PM
That's where paranoia comes in. A child or a teenager, spends most of it's day on school/sleeping, so, as uninteresting as a "bed" map would seems, one would rather create a school: An environment which he spent the life he can remember.Nonsense. Bed+FPS=Pillow Fight Mod:cool:!

Where can I download?

Seriously, though, either set him free or jail every single person who makes video games recreating real-life locales. Start with Flight Simulator X - it is obviously intended to be a suicide hijacker's training tool.

Jae Onasi
05-06-2007, 09:35 PM
Nonsense. Bed+FPS=Pillow Fight Mod:cool:!


Somewhere I have my "How to have a Pillow Fight" instructions--would work great as a mod.... ;P

SilentScope001
05-06-2007, 09:39 PM
If the results is going to sealed, I guess we can't speculate anymore.

If the arrests are done in error, then have the boy sue the Police.

igyman
05-07-2007, 02:37 PM
OMG! I just remembered that Valve made the Overwatch Nexus to look like a near-identical replica of the Parliament of Serbia. They are obviously planning a terrorist attack on that part of my home town. :scare5:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4f/HalfLife2_City17_OverwatchNexus.jpg/200px-HalfLife2_City17_OverwatchNexus.jpg
http://www.thebestlinks.com/images/thumb/b/b3/250px-Skupscg.jpg

Iron Chancellor
05-08-2007, 10:06 PM
I didn't know it is illegal to kill someone in a computer game (or as in this case, prepare to kill someone in a computer game). If that's the case there are a disturbing high percentage of mass murderers running free among the population younger than 30. Most visitors of this site would be felons. :)

Heh. I probably should be executed. *glances at the swords hanging from my wall*

Heck, I have my own map room. XD