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True_Avery
06-14-2007, 06:30 PM
On Chat last night, Jae made 3 wishes. One of these wishes, world love. So, while I was lying in bed last night I contemplated that wish and thought it would make an interesting situation...

So, World Love. World Peace. First glance it looks like a great idea, but is it really? I found two things to bring up and here and they are:

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1# We are in the world we live in now, where everybody is an individual to a degree. 1 in 3 women in their life are sexually abused. Children have a higher chance of being molested by family than a stranger. Practically 50% of marriages never make it past 10 years. Women are left alone with children every day. Children grow up without parents in adoption homes. Teens get hooked on drugs everyday, many of them getting the drugs and alcohol from their own parents. Thats just to name a few at the tip of the iceberg... but what does this mean?

Individuality. As humans, the way we are raised and programed gives us individuality. Sure, the world is a bad place, but every thing has an equal "good" and "bad" something to it. At the cost of this world, we have the ability to hate and dislike people, love and like people, dress how we like, look how we want, talk how we want, live where we want, kill who we want, give birth to those we want, spend our life with those we want. We have individuality and a freedom of mind that comes with the price of the world being the way it is. I am not saying it is like this in all corners of the world, but I think you get the point.

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2# World Peace. Lovely idea, but can it really be applied to the world as we know it?

*snaps Fingers*

Ok, the world is now filled with love. There is no prejudice, no racism, no murder, no rape, no sodomy, no pedophilia, no skin difference to pick people out for being different, male and female humans are treated equally as mentally and physically possibly. World Peace, everybody treats each other equally. The concept of "do unto other as they would do to you" is applied everywhere, so people do not hurt each other on purpose. Sounds fantastic, especially to all the religious folk. But is it?

Loss of individuality maybe? I was thinking this over as a side effect of world peace and love. If everybody loves each other, what room is there for jealousy, dislike, competition, etc? If you treat everybody equally, what is the point in dressing different, looking different, talking different, living different?

In my mind, a world of complete peace and love has a largely communist feel to it (No, not Soviet communism you idiot.). The world is a utopia! Everybody shares near everything with each other because everybody trusts each other. There is no need for private ownership because there is no competition to have better things than other people, no need to feel different, no need to think you are better or worse then other people for what you own. Still, this sounds pretty good huh? Let me get to my next point.

Imagine people. Even if skin color is different, which it probably isn't, you only see skin in one shade anyway. Hair is seen as the same if it is not already the same. This applies to just about everything else on the human body. Even if people do in fact look different, total love and peace makes everybody see each other equally. So, people wear the same clothes if they wear clothes at all. People do their hair the same, people do everything the same to their body. And because people are physically equal, what room is there to be mentally an individual? Sure, we may have the capacity to have some individuality of our own, but in the end what does it matter? Everybody is the same anyway, and I can guarantee that every humans idea of individuality runs on two things: Likes and Dislikes. If there are no dislikes of other people, then there is only an overwhelming idea of like for others. What I am trying to say is, everybody now have the individuality of a smart robot.

I have probably shown a world of complete peace as over the top, but the first thing that world peace pops into my head is communism. Communism is a utopia world were the idea of individuality is gone, everybody is equal, and there is no private ownership of anything.

Still sound like a fun idea to everybody?

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Ok, now to my point. Every single one of you has this one chance...

Do you keep the world as a world of complete peace and love, or do you change it back? You have this one chance, after living in both worlds, to go back to the world you know or to a world where everybody is equal.

What do you do?

I am going to assume people will disagree with my idea of world peace... so, what to you is the perfect world of love and peace?

Personally, I don't see a world of peace having rape, murder, abuse, destruction, racism, prejudice, etc... and to be honest, this world... humanity needs those things to continue being individual. We need that fear of other people to be the people we are now or we all basically become robots. That, to me, is more frightening then the idea that I have a chance of being raped every time I wake up in the morning. I may be looking too deeply into this, by that is my opinion at the moment.

Ray Jones
06-14-2007, 06:40 PM
I think world peace and individuality can go together. For a change of mind you don't need to wear the same clothes. And I fail to see how individuality needs rape, racism, or any amoral behaviour to exist.

mimartin
06-14-2007, 06:57 PM
If I could snap my finger it would not be for world love or world peace.

First no one hurts you more than those that you love. My family and friends have done way more to harm me than any total stranger. I was never abused, but my brothers have stolen thousands of dollars from me over the years.

While I agree with your definition of what world peace should be and I agree that it sounds like true communism, I do not however believe it would take away from us as individuals. I actually believe it would increase individualism. No longer would you worry that someone would think you were a freak if you dress or acted differently than the norm. If you were still be accepted and loved no matter what you did then why wouldn’t you do whatever made you happy?

If I could snap my finger and get my wish it would be for world understanding, patience and acceptance. I was taught by mother to “do unto other as you would have them do unto you.” I believe that understanding and acceptance would go along way in making all of us follow the golden rule. The patience one is just for me as I am greedy like that with my wishes.

Darth InSidious
06-14-2007, 07:06 PM
I don't see it. Acknowledging others as your equals does not equate to saying that everyone is the same.

It's a moot point, though, because nothing mundane would bring something like that about.

SilentScope001
06-14-2007, 07:54 PM
I pondered on that topic and decided that I do not like world peace.

Not just because it would create a utopia, which we all secretly fear.

But also because of the price one have to pay for world peace...everlasting war and massacre of all those who disagree with your idea of peace. :)

Windu Chi
06-15-2007, 02:27 AM
On Chat last night, Jae made 3 wishes. One of these wishes, world love. So, while I was lying in bed last night I contemplated that wish and thought it would make an interesting situation...

There is a Chat here!
I'm not aware of it. :)


1# We are in the world we live in now, where everybody is an individual to a degree. 1 in 3 women in their life are sexually abused. Children have a higher chance of being molested by family than a stranger. Practically 50% of marriages never make it past 10 years. Women are left alone with children every day. Children grow up without parents in adoption homes. Teens get hooked on drugs everyday, many of them getting the drugs and alcohol from their own parents. Thats just to name a few at the tip of the iceberg... but what does this mean?
Well, it means society is a hard, unforgiving, mean, corrupt and a sorry society. :)




2# World Peace. Lovely idea, but can it really be applied to the world as we know it?
No ! :)
From my perspectivie!

Ok, the world is now filled with love. There is no prejudice, no racism, no murder, no rape, no sodomy, no pedophilia, no skin difference to pick people out for being different, male and female humans are treated equally as mentally and physically possibly. World Peace, everybody treats each other equally. The concept of "do unto other as they would do to you" is applied everywhere, so people do not hurt each other on purpose. Sounds fantastic, especially to all the religious folk.But is it?
Well, if everything is close to hunky-dory like all that, I'm the opinion it will be dull, True. ;)
Except, male and female humans are treated equally, that will be good.
There is no prejudice, no racism
Perfect!
But that is a tall order, to fill. :)
no murder, no rape, no sodomy, no pedophilia
Now all that is definitely a tall order to fill, especially, murder.
Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering(much evil).
Loss of individuality maybe? I was thinking this over as a side effect of world peace and love. If everybody loves each other, what room is there for jealousy, dislike, competition, etc? If you treat everybody equally, what is the point in dressing different, looking different, talking different, living different?

Loss of individuality, yes!

Yes, no competition, no uniquness, not very exciting.


The world is a utopia! Everybody shares near everything with each other because everybody trusts each other.
A complete utopia, will suck, in my opinion. ;)

Imagine people. Even if skin color is different, which it probably isn't, you only see skin in one shade anyway.
That should be the case now, not labeling (Pronounce judgment on) people with different skin colors. :)





What do you do?
Keep the world close to what it is now, but get rid of that racism, disease. :)

I am going to assume people will disagree with my idea of world peace... so, what to you is the perfect world of love and peace?
Everybody work together and stop having, race, status, money and creed, be the determining influence.
As what our society should be now, in my opinion. :)

Totenkopf
06-16-2007, 02:59 AM
I would tend to agree that you don't need to forsake individuality to have things like mutual acceptance. There is nothing that says you and I have to have the exact same things in order for both of us to be happy. The only thing you'd be eliminating are the baser emotions of fear, jealousy, hatred, etc.., not individual desires based on different tastes. If your wish extraordinarily enabled you to actually achieve any of this, then you could probably get world peace and world love in a way that wouldn't turn everyone into a drone. The only question is, how interesting would it be? Given that you'd fundamentally have to change people's behaviors to achieve it, it seems hard to envision to what degree we'd find it truly interesting. Much of what people find to be humorous or interesting often tends to have darker elements to it than you'd probably find in such a dreamworld.

Jae Onasi
06-16-2007, 07:35 PM
We live in (relative) peace in the US and manage to hold onto our individuality, so I don't think it would be impossible to extend that world-wide.

GarfieldJL
06-16-2007, 08:06 PM
Be careful what you wish for because you may get it. World Peace could be either good or bad. Take a look at Revelations in the Bible, it depicts how World Peace can go horribly wrong.