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Nikkolas
08-13-2007, 06:19 PM
I've heard a rumor that originally Nihilus' mask was supposed to be made of the skull of Revan.

Can anyone actually confirm this? Or is it one of those Internet things?

John Galt
08-13-2007, 06:20 PM
Sounds like one of those internet things to me.

Emperor Devon
08-13-2007, 06:46 PM
It was supposed to be, yes. It can be considered (contradictory) cut content since it was implied Revan was alive in the game and you never hear anything about the mask being made from his skull.

It's not too bad an idea, though. What better way to make one of the story's antagonists like fearsome than having him wear the skull of the first game's protagonist as a decoration? ;)

SilentScope001
08-13-2007, 07:04 PM
Oh come on! Can't we have a headless Revan? ;)

Allronix
08-13-2007, 07:11 PM
My thought when I heard that? Well, I also heard about what they planned for Dustil, saw what was left of Canderous, still hadn't reassembled HK-47, and was walking around Dantooine hearing nothing but "Jedi stink!"

"Is the sole purpose of this game to sucker-punch and take a dump on all of the K1 players or what?!"

stoffe
08-13-2007, 07:20 PM
"Is the sole purpose of this game to sucker-punch and take a dump on all of the K1 players or what?!"

TSL does seem to try fairly hard to downplay the importance of what transpired during the first game, and set up most characters there for a horrible or otherwise unpleasant fate. It also invalidates some of the basic storyline premises of the first game and does a fair amount of "this is what really happened" retconning.

The Star Forge is a clear example of this. It was the primary MacGuffin in the first game, whereas in TSL it's marginalized to the point that it might as well never have existed, and the whole Malachor thing is made central to the story of what transpired during the time period of both games instead.

adamqd
08-14-2007, 03:18 PM
TSL does seem to try fairly hard to downplay the importance of what transpired during the first game.....

EXACTAMUNDO!!

Ben Bryddia
09-08-2007, 12:24 AM
Yeah, I heard that on wookipedia, but than you can't trust all you read. Or see (saying of which have any of you chaps seen the illustrations from the New Essential Chronology yet? Becuase they have Gondor soldiers fighting on Courscant during Naga Sadow's invasion! :mad2: Plus they actually had Supreme Overlord Shimira wearing non-living clothes! :freakout: I would like to have a word wit those illustrators.:tsk: ) But I digress, alright, you do know the mask is an acquirable item yes? Good, glad to assume it! In any case, the mask isn't Revan's skull as far as I know. As said previously, that isn't in the game so I treat it as non-canon, like anything that was cut from the game. :nod: As far as KotOR 2's down playing of Revan's role and the Starforge, I think that was becuase The Sith Lords focases on the Mandalorian Wars :fett: and tries to add a bit more depth to this time period. It may also be a problem witha new company making the game.

SykoRevan
09-08-2007, 12:49 AM
"Is the sole purpose of this game to sucker-punch and take a dump on all of the K1 players or what?!"

I couldn't stop laughing when I read that sentence. :lol:

If Nihilus was indeed enough of a creep to wear a human (bleep)ing skull, then I would have bought the game just for that purpose alone. Obsidian would definitely be some brave people to flaunt about a guy who looks like he's going trick-or-treating, but is in fact sporting a very flashy piece of headwear that once resided, not on, but in, yes, IN the beloved Revan's head! I would say to Obsidian, "Here, you get Game of the Year Award, right here. Congratulations, you insane glorious maniacs. You not only killed off the main guy/girl from the 2003 Game of the Year, you pretty much bashed Revan 'Passion of the Christ' style by sticking his deceased cranium on the visage of a guy who can't even talk! Just the bravest move I've seen in a video game."

Alexander the Great
09-08-2007, 11:20 AM
They shouldn't have cut it, that would've been cool. Though it would be messed up, considering Revan left into the unknown regions and never came back. Even if he had died, it would take a lot longer to actually search down his body, get his skull, then go back. Logically speaking, it would take more than ten years. They could have done it with another character, like Ulic Qel-Droma or something.

I, personally, thought the TSL idea was much more interesting than that of K1's. K1 had a great twist and all, but TSL story was so much more unique. If only they hadn't skewered parts of it, it would have been way better, but that's what TSLRP is for.

deathdisco
09-09-2007, 12:15 AM
If it were his skull, it would imply Nihilus killed him. No searching required. Would of made K1 pointless IMO.

SilentScope001
09-09-2007, 01:49 AM
If Nihilus was indeed enough of a creep to wear a human (bleep)ing skull, then I would have bought the game just for that purpose alone.

You know, on one hand, it would really make people who played as Revan scream, and would surely declare K1 irrevelant.

On the other hand, I'd so buy such a creepy game.

Alexander the Great
09-09-2007, 04:10 PM
If it were his skull, it would imply Nihilus killed him. No searching required. Would of made K1 pointless IMO.

Even so, you'd still need to find Revan. You can't just jump into the Unknown Regions, walk over to Revan, and kill him.

Ctrl Alt Del
09-09-2007, 04:36 PM
They shouldn't have cut it, that would've been cool. Though it would be messed up, considering Revan left into the unknown regions and never came back. Even if he had died, it would take a lot longer to actually search down his body, get his skull, then go back. Logically speaking, it would take more than ten years. They could have done it with another character, like Ulic Qel-Droma or something.


I agree, though it would mess the game, it would be cool nonetheless. Another character would be ideal, but not Ulic: His body vanished when he died.

Alexander the Great
09-09-2007, 04:41 PM
I agree, though it would mess the game, it would be cool nonetheless. Another character would be ideal, but not Ulic: His body vanished when he died.

Oh, that's right. What's with Sith and body incineration?

SilentScope001
09-09-2007, 06:43 PM
Why not Malak's skull?

Alexander the Great
09-09-2007, 06:45 PM
Why not Malak's skull?

Because people who wear tight, orange clothes and a fruity scarf thing don't have skulls. Everyone knows that.

His body was probably destroyed on the Star Forge anyway. And why would anyone want to wear his face anyway? He's bald and ugly. And insignificant. And bald.

deathdisco
09-10-2007, 12:12 AM
Even so, you'd still need to find Revan. You can't just jump into the Unknown Regions, walk over to Revan, and kill him.
Revan leaving for the Unknown Regions may not have been part of the storyline when the mask/skull idea was envisioned. It seems to me it was a convenient way to keep him from participating in TSL's story arc while not killing him off, which would tick off K1's fanbase.

PoiuyWired
09-10-2007, 01:35 AM
Oh, that's right. What's with Sith and body incineration?

Actually Ulic is a failure in that he died as a force-neutered jedi not a sith. He trains one of the Sunrider chick I think.

But yeah, skull of an old sith would be cool. Malek have the advantage of having a big head. Jawless is nto a problem cause you would only need the upper part. But for the Era there is not much choice when it comes to Sith skulls.

Nadd's Body (Trashed? possable parts?)
Ulic (Died non-sith)
Exar Kun (Nothing Left)
Revan (still alive-ish)
Malek (Most reasonable choice)
Bandon (Wimps does not count)
K2 Siths (Time Paradox)

SykoRevan
09-10-2007, 01:37 AM
It seems to me it was a convenient way to keep him from participating in TSL's story arc while not killing him off, which would tick off K1's fanbase.

Now now, nobody said they were planning on killing him off with the disgusting-skull-mask-on-really-tall-creepy-dude-who-can't-talk concept. As SilentScope put it...

Oh come on! Can't we have a headless Revan? ;)

Maybe we can...

Ctrl Alt Del
09-14-2007, 10:47 PM
Actually Ulic is a failure in that he died as a force-neutered jedi not a sith. He trains one of the Sunrider chick I think.

That's right, he trains Nomi Sunrider daughter, Vima. And is redeemed by her, somehow, someway.

Sabretooth
09-15-2007, 01:55 AM
Umm, that looks more like goat's skull to me than a human skull, people. Nihilus was just a Satanist Black Metal performer who didn't get it right in Malachor. :(

T3-M4
09-15-2007, 03:44 AM
I'd just think it was a skull-mask that he took off some jedi or something. :P

Darth Xander
09-15-2007, 06:01 AM
I think you should be able wear Nihilus's mask

Ztalker
09-15-2007, 02:52 PM
Meh...didn't Nihilus connect his soul to that mask or something? I recall something from the Legacy comics that Darth Krayt asks Nihilus' holocron how he did such a thing.
And since we see his robes turn into nothingness/dark force energy, I think his soul is still..somehow...etched into the mask, since the mask stays in your inventory.

I know Visas says she saw a man behind the mask, but it would contradict Darth Krayt's statement. So I think Nihilus' soul is somehow connected with the Mask. :)

Of course, if it would be Revan's skull, with Nihilus soul in it, we are talking about probably the strongest Sith Artifact known to men....which could be a plot element for a possible Kotor 3 :xp:

stoffe
09-15-2007, 02:59 PM
Meh...didn't Nihilus connect his soul to that mask or something?

Is that sort of thing possible to do within the Star Wars universe? Sounds a bit too...magical... in a way. And if it is, what would NIH stand to gain from having his soul contained within an item rather than become one with the force or whatever the other sith ghosts that seem to be around have done? Sounds more like imprisonment after death.

Also, I think you only get the mask if you pick one of the reponse options in Visas' dialog after Nihilus defeat, but not the others?


Of course, if it would be Revan's skull, with Nihilus soul in it, we are talking about probably the strongest Sith Artifact known to men....which could be a plot element for a possible Kotor 3 :xp:

KotOR III:Mask of the Betrayer... oh... wait. :p

Alexander the Great
09-15-2007, 03:08 PM
Is that sort of thing possible to do within the Star Wars universe? Sounds a bit too...magical...

Exar Kun almost did with his soul and the Yavin IV temple, and Sidious almost sends his soul into Anakin Solo's body (Or was it Jacen's?)

Then again, I guess the keywords in both instances are "almost"...

Ctrl Alt Del
09-15-2007, 06:46 PM
Meh...didn't Nihilus connect his soul to that mask or something?

Before or on the moment he died? Because he vanished for good on the Ravager, on amid that red thunderstorm.

Rev7
09-15-2007, 08:29 PM
Nihilus' s mask is made of a certain animal bone from his home planet... I think. Thats along the lines of what it said in KOTOR 2... i think

PoiuyWired
09-16-2007, 07:46 AM
Maybe its from the front part of a Crystal Skull that once ruled a kingdom??

Ztalker
09-16-2007, 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by PoiuyWired
Maybe its from the front part of a Crystal Skull that once ruled a kingdom??

No! He made it out of cardboard and red paint at the kindergarten! It's the last piece of his humanity he carries with him :xp:

Kindergarten teacher: "Well little Nihilus...what have you made?"
Nihilus: "A mask!"
Kindergarten teacher: "How nice! Could you give it to me? We'll put right with the other kids stuff.
*Nihilus sucks the life out of the teacher*
Nihilus: "Mine!"

Rev7
09-17-2007, 06:28 PM
Very funny..... If you read the information on the idem after you aquire it it tells you what it is made of... I think

Ben Bryddia
10-14-2007, 11:39 PM
I think what you were talking about with the mask being made from a native critter skull is actually the Kaleesh species, who are VERY well known for wearing Muumu skulls. (New Essential Guide to Alien Species, entry Kaleesh. See also the wookipedia.com entry.) Unless it was something Mandalore, HK, or Mical said then I doubt I would have missed such important Sith information. As far as I know Nihilus holds true to his name, that is, we have zip about his past.
As for the mention in the Legacy comics, that dialogue is set down in full on the darkhorse.com preveiw page and also appears in Legacy volume 1: Broken. What Nihilus preserves his essense in was his armor, this could be how he survived the Battle of Malachor 5. It was not his mask, though it would be nice to be able to carry a Sith lord around in one of my (Exile's) bottomless pockets for all time. ;)


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