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TripHammer
10-08-2007, 04:35 PM
Do you think Padme died of a broken heart.. or from giving childbirth?

Personally I think it was a combination of both. If indeed she died of a broken heart.. Anakin would have foreseen fate of his own doing when he was having his nightmares of her death.

Rogue Warrior
10-08-2007, 05:33 PM
Broken heart, perse. Losing Anakin to the Dark Side made Padme lose the will to live. Odds are she could have survived but chose instead not to.

PoiuyWired
10-09-2007, 06:48 AM
Though RL odds are she would have survived, become an alcoholic or something...lose custody over the twins.

Jae Onasi
10-09-2007, 10:19 AM
Broken heart and resultant loss of will to live.

The childbirth scene was so unrealistic. They can travel in hyperspace throughout the galaxy, replace limbs and give Vader his own portable respirator, and they haven't figured out the technology to give a woman an epidural or other pain relievers? Ugh.

Rogue Nine
10-09-2007, 10:30 AM
Maybe she wanted a natural birth? ¯\O_o/¯

Jae Onasi
10-09-2007, 10:50 AM
Real Women Use Good Drugs. :xp:

Titanius Anglesmith
10-09-2007, 12:08 PM
She died of a broken heart, but that's a pretty awful excuse for getting rid of a character. People don't fall over dead just because they don't feel like living anymore.

Lord XZantor
10-09-2007, 12:14 PM
Broken heart, perse. Losing Anakin to the Dark Side made Padme lose the will to live. Odds are she could have survived but chose instead not to.


This is what I agree with. She told Aniken he was killing her on Mustifar
:blast5:

TripHammer
10-10-2007, 09:14 AM
If she did die of a broken heart... Then Anakin already had the power to save her.

Lord XZantor
10-10-2007, 10:01 AM
I don't think so, only a few Sith mastered that powered, if more than Palpy's master. Sidious nor Vader ever accevied that power.

adamqd
10-10-2007, 12:46 PM
^^^
I think trip mean't it metaphorically, he did have the power to save her, by not going to the darkside, by not killing younglings

TripHammer
10-10-2007, 05:07 PM
Exactly. But to further the point somewhat.. I don't think the power to save Padme existed. I think the mention of such a power was just a tool the emperor used to manipulate Anakin. Is there any proof that such a power existed other than Palpatine's mention of it with some tall tale of Darth Plagueis attached to it?

adamqd
10-10-2007, 05:23 PM
^^^
In the Legacy comics Cade Skywalker can do it...

jawathehutt
10-22-2007, 11:02 PM
She died of the number 1 killer of movie characters, plot developement.

PoiuyWired
10-23-2007, 06:13 PM
Then technically the sith power of "fan request" can bring him back, even if one is swallowed up by a giant bung hole filled with teeth.

Rev7
11-30-2007, 11:31 PM
Broken Heart.

PoiuyWired
12-01-2007, 09:01 AM
Makes me think of old D&D sections.
"I don't want to be a wizard anymore, I refuse to eat and poo, and jump down the cliff"
"I get saved by a tree branch, but I am going to jump down again while cutting my throat midair"

Seriously, that happened.

Maybe Padme wants to be someone else... like a blood elf mohawk.

Nancy Allen``
12-01-2007, 05:07 PM
Then technically the sith power of "fan request" can bring him back, even if one is swallowed up by a giant bung hole filled with teeth.

MARA JADE! Padme to be in Star Wars again? Maybe, but I'm thinking the faves for this would be either Jade or Aayla Secura.

Just on Padme for a moment, it bugged me quite a bit that she did die of a broken heart. She gave up the will to live, that gives the film even more of a sour note IMO, with the good guys lose and the bad guys win. GL was most wise to make the last films first otherwise Star Wars would have tanked, and this scene would have contributed.

Rev7
12-01-2007, 08:06 PM
Don't the 'bad-guys' win in ESB? The 'good-guys' won in in both ANH and ROTJ. The 'good-guys' also won in TPM and AOTC, but the 'bad-guys' won in ROTS. It all evens out.

Ctrl Alt Del
12-01-2007, 09:12 PM
Broken heart for sure.

Don't the 'bad-guys' win in ESB? The 'good-guys' won in in both ANH and ROTJ. The 'good-guys' also won in TPM and AOTC, but the 'bad-guys' won in ROTS. It all evens out.

But what if the first trilogy was made before and in the end of it, the evil won? Thirty years later comes a sequel to tell that it didn't ended this way...

Nancy Allen``
12-01-2007, 09:37 PM
Don't the 'bad-guys' win in ESB? The 'good-guys' won in in both ANH and ROTJ. The 'good-guys' also won in TPM and AOTC, but the 'bad-guys' won in ROTS. It all evens out.

True, it was almost the bad guys winning in ESB. They didn't have the good guys killed off left right and centre though. Still the darkness when I first saw it all those years ago, I remember it got to me. For me RotS seems to be aimed at a more mature audiance, doubly so with the rating and there being an absence of kiddy fare (no Ewoks, Gungans or fanboy type stuff).

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12-02-2007, 05:39 AM
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Nancy Allen``
12-02-2007, 07:04 AM
Um, true, the films were made more mature for an older audiance. Still Die Hard ending with John McClane alive. Guess I'm a sucker for happy endings.

hellhawk
03-18-2008, 11:19 PM
hmmm... they said something in star wars mag recently... ill look it up n post...

k found it... says: How exactely did Padme die? We no she lost the will to live, but someone can't "will" themselves to death. Was the force at work here?

Responce:In the end, the despondency over the terrible person ankin became breaks padme's heart. She is unable to come to grips with her husband as power hungery, and a mass murderer has has destroyed everything she holds dear. There might even b a small part of her that blames herself for inadveratly bringing obi wan to mustafar, though Anakin's Grusome fate remaind hidden from her at her final moments. there is nothing to suggest that padmes death is the will of the force, other then anakin';s visions. dosent help much...

ps i just tried to will myself to death, dosent work

Henz
04-06-2008, 06:11 PM
Padme's death/The kids birth was the single worst thing in the Prequel trilogy. George rushed to wrap the film up after the climatic fight and this scene paid for it. Shame.

Kain
04-07-2008, 01:55 AM
Bad thread ressurectors. BAD!

Nedak
04-07-2008, 01:49 PM
I HATE that excuse that she died of a broken heart. Here is a Director with piles of cash and the man can't even create a good excuse for why she died? My god... Someone else should right these movies for him!

Sorry bout that. Had to unleash my love/hate relationship for GL

EDIT: And don't blame me Kain I'm a bored man.

tyrone333
04-07-2008, 06:23 PM
I read that Sidous killed her from Anakin turning to dark side to save padme. It said that sidous made anakin hate the people he loved and he killed them.

Henz
04-08-2008, 07:49 PM
I HATE that excuse that she died of a broken heart. Here is a Director with piles of cash and the man can't even create a good excuse for why she died? My god... Someone else should right these movies for him!

Sorry bout that. Had to unleash my love/hate relationship for GL.

Yeah I hear you. I kinda love that she died the way she did as there's the horrible inevitability in Anakin's actions. His desperation to save her from the future caused it.
But at the same time... she died of a broken heart? Lame.
Padme was really shafted in the prequels. Most of the deleted material was hers.

Bad thread ressurectors. BAD!

This was about the 3rd newest thread in this section when I posted. It's not my fault this area is so dead there's threads on the first page that are over a year old.

Nedak
04-08-2008, 08:06 PM
But at the same time... she died of a broken heart? Lame.
Padme was really shafted in the prequels. Most of the deleted material was hers.

I personally think it would have been better if Anakin choked her so badly that her throat was crushed and had to breath threw a tube. Then after she gave birth she died. Later on they find out what the babies were to be named after reading her diary or something.

Also by the way there is something called broken heart syndrome, but nothing like that happens.

Ztalker
04-10-2008, 07:25 AM
Why can't it be a combination of both?

If you want to recover from wounds, you'll need the mental power and recilience to do so. Placebo's proof this.
Padme might have been mortally wounded, but with good chances to survive. But if the mind doesn't want to do so...it won't work. :(

Although I still find it weird she doesn't stuff it away to raise the children. I mean, what's the point? She leaves the children mother and fatherless.

Henz
04-10-2008, 02:07 PM
I'd give you that it could have been a mixture of injury, and not wanting to recover... but Dr. Droid makes it perfectly clear that she's perfectly healthy. Silly George.
I wish it was handled better. There should have been more time between the kid's birth and Padme's death. There could have been a moment for Padme to be with her daughter to explain Leia's memories in Ep 6.

Ztalker
04-12-2008, 11:34 AM
Ah, that would indeed be better. That she would originally recover, safeguard her children and possibly then die of complications. And, like you said, it would explain why Leia has those memories...I don't really buy those 'the has her eyes open in Episode 3!' stuff. :)

Astor
04-12-2008, 11:46 AM
Remember though, Z, that Luke and Leia are both force sensitives. It could be that the infant Leia felt her mother through the force, maybe even during pregnancy.

But, it is still curious...

Ztalker
04-12-2008, 11:57 AM
Yeah, the force sensitive theory has been brought up multiple times.

Several canon stories even confirm it somehow. I recall reading a story about a little Luke who´s capable of levitating one of his toys, after which his uncle says never to do so again. If he´s capable of doing that as an infant, he could indeed have been...strong in the force at birth. Same goes for Leia... :)

But that still doesn't explain how they felt Padme. Levitating your lego is one thing, reading or feeling one's mind right after your birth is something else. Which brings up another theory of Padmé being Force Sensitive, which is supported by Episode 3...*sigh*

PoiuyWired
04-13-2008, 02:05 PM
Why can't it be a combination of both?
If you want to recover from wounds, you'll need the mental power and recilience to do so. Placebo's proof this.
Padme might have been mortally wounded, but with good chances to survive. But if the mind doesn't want to do so...it won't work. :(
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Unfortunately this is impossable, think of the glorious day when all those darn emos die due to their self inflicted papercuts. Better than mudkipz.

She does not seem to be suffering from mortal wound. And no generally you don't "will yourself to die" from a simple cut, plus she is probably not willing herself to death due to her kiddos and such. So even if she lost the will to live, it would hardly be fatal. Oh, and if Palpy is behind her killing then he would have known of the twins. So unless he intend on acquiring them later for his own use he would have done something about it. Even if, in the event that he DO want the twins, he would have done even more to safeguard their usefulness, including elimination of ObiWan. Well, unless he is too coward to face a future great Sith.

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Although I still find it weird she doesn't stuff it away to raise the children. I mean, what's the point? She leaves the children mother and fatherless.

I keep hoping that she is actually alive and the death is just a ruse of a dead handmaiden or something. Where she can raise Leia in secrecy disguising as a maid under Organa's guidance.


MARA JADE! Padme to be in Star Wars again? Maybe, but I'm thinking the faves for this would be either Jade or Aayla Secura.


Secura would be nice. Would be hard to make characters with meaningful death like ObiWan coming back without raising huge sheetstorm though.

Hmmm... chewie. Impossable, but would be nice, none the less. His death is so undeserved.

As for jade, I love her character, but in the end I think she got a somewhat reasonable death, and while she is looking good also (despite her age she looks really young and juicy still) I mean, it would be stupid indeed to see a 90 year old Han in daipers yelling YeeHow in a even more beat up Falcon while mistaking the wrinkled up Leia as good old chewie due to partly Han's catarac and partly Leia's new look.

Henz
04-14-2008, 09:08 AM
One of Anakin's dreams has Obi wan talking to Padme, saying "don't give, save your energy" or something to that effect. Is it likely that it was only shot for the dream? Or could it be that the birth/death scenes had more/different content in it?
I'm just deluding myself really, I just wish it was better and George would fix it lol

Gurges-Ahter
05-13-2008, 02:37 PM
I agree that there has to be more in the cut content we didn't see - that we just have to accept that she lost the will to live and therefore died.

Sidious also says to Vader something like "In your rage you killed her" - which is mostly meant to manipulate Vader but could also have some truth to it. In his turn to the DS and subsequent attack on Padme she had nothing left to live for in her mind, despite the birth of her children.

Jedil3thal
06-05-2008, 08:05 PM
She died from a Broken Heart because she wanted to see Anakins face while she was giving Childbirth so that could be why she died

Relenzo2
06-08-2008, 07:30 PM
You don't need previous injuries for a stressful childbirth or complications... it would make sense that her "losing the will to live" would render her unable to cope with the rigors of childbirth at all. It make perfect sense... except for that #*($ "Dr. Droid" as one of you said, telling us she's "perfectly healthy... there's nothing wrong", telling us nothing went wrong with the pregnency and George is expecting us to beleive that she was the first person to "will herself to death". An emo hero?

TripHammer
06-09-2008, 03:29 PM
I guess to accept the story line, you have to accept the fact that a person can lose the will to live. If a person is close to death and pretty much can go either way (50/50 chance of living or dying).. does a person have the ability to just give up on life.. or do they survive based strictly on health reasons irregardless as to their depression?

I think a person can lose the will to "fight" for life. I think a person can tip the scales of survival if they have it in them to survive at all costs. Take that "will to survive" away and that 50/50 ratio can slant a bit...

M@RS
06-09-2008, 04:29 PM
I agree, some people just don't fight others do, maybe to see something or experience something, not sure but they fight back and sometimes they win...

Sivy
06-10-2008, 06:59 AM
She died of a broken heart, but that's a pretty awful excuse for getting rid of a character. People don't fall over dead just because they don't feel like living anymore.


actually they do, if they've suffered intense emotional or physical stress. it's called 'stress cardiomyopathy' or 'broken heart syndrome'. it's actually quite common, happens a lot with older people. basically it weakens the heart muscles causing heart failure.

Relenzo2
06-10-2008, 10:36 AM
So one of the main characters is a victem of a complicated deseise known as stress cardiomyopathy? So, Star Wars is a medical drama.

Sivy
06-10-2008, 11:10 AM
:D it's not a complicated disease... it a form of heart attack or heart failure brought about by some sort of trauma.

PoiuyWired
06-10-2008, 01:38 PM
Here it goes...

House: Star Wars Edition.

That, or Padme has been listening to My Chemical Romance way too much.
When I Was... A Princess...
My Ani took me into the city...
To see a marching band...

M@RS
06-10-2008, 02:36 PM
Only to choke and kill me!!!! :lol:

Relenzo2
06-11-2008, 01:00 PM
You guys are geniuses. Forget the Clone Wars series, we need another alternate history!

Galizien
06-26-2008, 06:37 PM
"An unmentionable disease carried by men and suffered by women"- Ellen Rimbauer

Djidara
07-24-2008, 02:33 PM
why are u trying to find realistic answer why she died?
star wars is not suppose to be realistic. this is story/saga/tail, call it what ever you want, and people die from heart break some times in things like this.

Maphisto86
08-07-2008, 11:57 PM
Even though it is not that big of a deal to me how Padme died, in one of the most recent Star Wars novels called Corucant Nights II: Streets of Shadows, Padme's cause of death was apparently a fractured hyoid bone among other things caused by Anakin's Force choke. Obviously the droids on Polis Massa did not know the cause of death because there was no visible signs of trauma and the truth was only revealed in a secret autopsy before the late senator's funeral.

Juno Eclipse
08-15-2008, 12:04 PM
There is a SW book (I can't remember the name, but I could find out by digging through my room) that says Padme died from the shock of child birth with the combination of choking (Anakin).

Blix
09-20-2008, 04:00 AM
I guess in the end you could just say that Anakin was the reason...

GwannaSauna
11-02-2008, 02:34 AM
Ugh - she reeked of bad actress-ism....

A Galaxy Foreseen
11-02-2008, 08:12 PM
She died because she lost the will to live, since she lost Anakin.

K_Kinnison
11-02-2008, 11:40 PM
she died because it was more dramatic for the plot

Combination of:
Lover turning against her
Force choke
Childbirth
Plot
Bad acting

PoiuyWired
11-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Even though it is not that big of a deal to me how Padme died, in one of the most recent Star Wars novels called Corucant Nights II: Streets of Shadows, Padme's cause of death was apparently a fractured hyoid bone among other things caused by Anakin's Force choke. Obviously the droids on Polis Massa did not know the cause of death because there was no visible signs of trauma and the truth was only revealed in a secret autopsy before the late senator's funeral.

So Palpy speaks the truth, for once...

Ztalker
11-06-2008, 12:15 PM
Ah....plausible at least.

Those droids of course don't know what the Force does. Might explain why they couldn't find anything.
But still...you have 900 years of Jedi experience looking from the sideline. Why didn't Yoda know this?

TKA-001
11-06-2008, 01:14 PM
I think it would've been better overall if Luke and Leia had been born before the confrontation on Mustafar, and if Padme was killed outright by the Force grip. I'm not sure where Lucas got the idea that this obscure "will to live" business would be better than the alternative, and I've no idea what he was trying to imply with it.

Gerevick
01-27-2011, 11:42 AM
In my opinion, Padme was so traumatized by Anakin´s turn to the dark side, she didn´t feel like living anymore.

I was most disappointed in Padme for choosing to pass away in the manner she did. I believe she should have decided to live and opposed Vader. If Padme was as devoted to her ideals as we had seen, she shouldn´t have broken so easily. So many possibilities, cinematic and literary died with her.

Even though it is not that big of a deal to me how Padme died, in one of the most recent Star Wars novels called Corucant Nights II: Streets of Shadows, Padme's cause of death was apparently a fractured hyoid bone among other things caused by Anakin's Force choke. Obviously the droids on Polis Massa did not know the cause of death because there was no visible signs of trauma and the truth was only revealed in a secret autopsy before the late senator's funeral.

This truth is too simplistic to be the real one. Surely the medical droids wouldn´t have been so inefficient as to not perform a full physical examination of Padme. The author of the novel did not understand how Padme could have died because of a more complex reason.

Klw
01-27-2011, 06:52 PM
My theory is that their souls were linked by the force so that when Anakin cut that link, her soul left her body, killing her. Or maybe she was a secret force-sensitive and her mental anguish caused the midichlorians in her own body to shut it down.

Just kidding. You know it's not that complex. She just lost the will to live.

Gerevick
01-28-2011, 04:42 AM
My theory is that their souls were linked by the force so that when Anakin cut that link, her soul left her body, killing her. Or maybe she was a secret force-sensitive and her mental anguish caused the midichlorians in her own body to shut it down.

Just kidding. You know it's not that complex. She just lost the will to live.

This reply bears much thought. You were most foolish to deny it at the end. If such an idea was so implausible, then you should not have written anything in the first place. If the moderators are seasoned they will delete the last line of your otherwise insightful and well considered reply.

noizer
04-17-2011, 01:46 PM
There is a SW book (I can't remember the name, but I could find out by digging through my room) that says Padme died from the shock of child birth with the combination of choking (Anakin).

sounds like a reasonable explenation to me

SITH LORD 872
04-17-2011, 06:00 PM
I agree with everyone else, About her dying of a broken heart, But lets not forget the both of them had to secretly marry then hide it all those years, Then the news of having a baby, I think it become too much for her!!

LordVader1
04-19-2011, 09:20 AM
I hated Padme Anyways

Gerevick
04-19-2011, 10:52 AM
I hated Padme Anyways

I thought Padme should have been strong enough not to break down in tears before Anakin choked her. I always felt very uncomfortable to watch her express such a fragrant lack of regard for her own person. Padme flaunted a terrible weakness before Anakin, when before she had always shown nothing less than an indomitable strength, in the face of any adversity. How she pleaded with Anakin and threw herself into such a saddened state was most unsettling.

SITH LORD 872
04-19-2011, 03:50 PM
I thought Padme should have been strong enough not to break down in tears before Anakin choked her. I always felt very uncomfortable to watch her express such a fragrant lack of regard for her own person. Padme flaunted a terrible weakness before Anakin, when before she had always shown nothing less than an indomitable strength, in the face of any adversity. How she pleaded with Anakin and threw herself into such a saddened state was most unsettling.


With out those emotions, we would have never seen what really drove him to the dark side, Pure anger and lust for power, By her showing weakness he had no use for her!!

noizer
04-30-2011, 05:53 PM
With out those emotions, we would have never seen what really drove him to the dark side, Pure anger and lust for power, By her showing weakness he had no use for her!!

verry intresting argument.

cafiwam
05-04-2011, 09:27 PM
Whatever the reason I can't except that she "lost the will to live". I mean here she was giving birth to two children (shouldn't that be enough of a reason to survive) and she decides "I can't go on living anymore, I'm going to leave my son and daughter to grow up not knowing their true parents." Kinda of a selfish way to go out if that was her intention.

SITH LORD 872
05-05-2011, 01:13 AM
Whatever the reason I can't except that she "lost the will to live". I mean here she was giving birth to two children (shouldn't that be enough of a reason to survive) and she decides "I can't go on living anymore, I'm going to leave my son and daughter to grow up not knowing their true parents." Kinda of a selfish way to go out if that was her intention.

Yeah i didn't care for her ending either, I'm sure they could have wrote a better plot surrounding her!!

Blix
05-05-2011, 05:34 PM
I always thought the "died of a broken heart" thing was a bit of a corny excuse...