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Darth InSidious
11-17-2007, 06:15 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=NBV5HTXLLDG51QFIQMGSFGGAVCBQ WIV0?xml=/earth/2007/11/16/scidolly116.xml

The scientist who created Dolly the sheep, a breakthrough that provoked headlines around the world a decade ago, is to abandon the cloning technique he pioneered to create her.

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He and his team made headlines around the world in 1997 when they unveiled Dolly, born July of the year before.

But now he has decided not to pursue a licence to clone human embryos, which he was awarded just two years ago, as part of a drive to find new treatments for the devastating degenerative condition, Motor Neuron disease.

Prof Wilmut, who works at Edinburgh University, believes a rival method pioneered in Japan has better potential for making human embryonic cells which can be used to grow a patient's own cells and tissues for a vast range of treatments, from treating strokes to heart attacks and Parkinson's, and will be less controversial than the Dolly method, known as "nuclear transfer."

His announcement could mark the beginning of the end for therapeutic cloning, on which tens of millions of pounds have been spent worldwide over the past decade. "I decided a few weeks ago not to pursue nuclear transfer," Prof Wilmut said.

Most of his motivation is practical but he admits the Japanese approach is also "easier to accept socially."

His inspiration comes from the research by Prof Shinya Yamanaka at Kyoto University, which suggests a way to create human embryo stem cells without the need for human eggs, which are in extremely short supply, and without the need to create and destroy human cloned embryos, which is bitterly opposed by the pro life movement.

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Interesting, no?

Totenkopf
11-17-2007, 01:06 PM
I was almost going to post that one too, DI. If practical, it robs the pro-abort/ESC crowd of their silver lined cloud. :thmbup1:

John Galt
11-17-2007, 01:30 PM
Lets just hope it works. I've got some family members who really look to benefit from tissue cloning.

Rev7
11-17-2007, 04:41 PM
Very interesting I must say...

mimartin
11-17-2007, 07:13 PM
If practical, it robs the pro-abort/ECT crowd of their silver lined cloud. :thmbup1:I believe you hit the nail on the head here with that one little two letter word. If it isn't then it set back research, and could cause people to die unnecessarily, including children. I hope for the sake of all human life it is sucessful.

Web Rider
11-18-2007, 01:47 AM
I was almost going to post that one too, DI. If practical, it robs the pro-abort/ECT crowd of their silver lined cloud. :thmbup1:

I don't think the pro-abortion crowd saw a silver lining to abortion beyond womens rights, and it certainly wasn't that the aborted whatevers could be used for science. I mean, I'm part of said crowd....so, I should know. Yeah, appeal to authority, but hey, what do you want, it's not like there's two websites that ever agree on abortion.

anyway, interesting, but I never liked the idea of science taking a bow to social pressure. OH well, human cloning will happen eventually anyway.

Totenkopf
11-18-2007, 03:27 AM
Web, I'm talking specifically about using fetal stem cells from aborted children (a fairly recent development in the history of abortion) for the purposes of trying to develop a cure for degenerative/other diseases. That would be the silver lining they would point to (at least from their pov). You seem to have the impression I think that they support abortion for the purposes of medical research, which I'm not claiming. But not a whole lot different from the Chinese feeling that prisoner executions aren't so bad if peope can benefit from various and sundry body parts (hearts/livers/eyes/etc..).

SilentScope001
11-18-2007, 11:38 AM
Interesting, no?

Not really. It was done because the Japanese method was just easier to pull off. You got lucky.

In the long term however, this is a good thing. One less discussion topic between the pro-life crowd and the pro-choice crowd. Still can't wait for the illegal scientists to clone humans.

And in the end, claiming that your method is not effective...wow. I admire this guy more than ever.

But not a whole lot different from the Chinese feeling that prisoner executions aren't so bad if peope can benefit from various and sundry body parts (hearts/livers/eyes/etc..).

China just banned the practice you know.

Totenkopf
11-18-2007, 03:13 PM
Did they really, or was that just for PR control? (caution, rhetorical question)

Web Rider
11-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Web, I'm talking specifically about using fetal stem cells from aborted children (a fairly recent development in the history of abortion) for the purposes of trying to develop a cure for degenerative/other diseases. That would be the silver lining they would point to (at least from their pov). You seem to have the impression I think that they support abortion for the purposes of medical research, which I'm not claiming. But not a whole lot different from the Chinese feeling that prisoner executions aren't so bad if peope can benefit from various and sundry body parts (hearts/livers/eyes/etc..).

but that IS what you are claiming. You said that the "pro abortion silver lining" is that the stem cells from the fetuses can be used to help cure diseases, and people know that the "silver lining" is why people support things. So by saying that the pro-abortion people think of doing such a thing as the silver lining to abortion, which they don't, you are claiming that they support abortion for that reason, which again, they don't.

Totenkopf
11-18-2007, 08:33 PM
Sorry, nice try. Think of it as you're doing something questionable/bad, but discover that some "good" might be gained by it. You didn't set out to do what you did for the sole purpose of achieving that unforseen end. That unforseen end is the silver lining you can attempt to use to minimize the damage others see in your actions.

Ctrl Alt Del
11-18-2007, 08:49 PM
Did they really, or was that just for PR control? (caution, rhetorical question)

Beijing 2008, guys.

SilentScope001
11-24-2007, 01:11 PM
Wait, one thing...

I know the conteversy over embroynic stem cell research still will continue forever until Judgemnt Day, but for crying out loud, it's already being done in Eastern countries, in Japan, in Singapore.

So what's the big fuss? Why do American scientists want to go and do research of embyronic stem cells in America when they could just do it in Eastern countries? Eastern countries may be more tolerant of embyroic stem cell research, heh, even that latest breakthrough about non-embryonic stem cell research was done because of embyronic stem cell research.

You can't stop science. Then why are people objecting about religion in America? Because we are 'falling behind'? That's sounds too xenophobic for me. Science is supposed to help EVERYONE, not just one nation!

Dagobahn Eagle
11-24-2007, 10:02 PM
If practical, it robs the pro-abort/ECT crowd of their silver lined cloud. Typical. I never get to know about my silver-lined clouds until after they're gone:(.

Beijing 2008, guys.Likely. China has a bad reputation of... you know...

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r292/safe-keeper/LonelyPlanetChina.png

...civil rights issues.

Tommycat
11-24-2007, 10:32 PM
As far as I know the pro-choice side has never used Stem cell research as a primary argument, only as a beneficial side effect. The primary argument has been the choice part of it. The stem cell research was a staple of the anti-Bush croud as showing that he was anti-science.