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Negative Sun
01-03-2008, 05:24 PM
Does anyone know a good app besides Nero that can burn Video DVDs? (as in: DVDs you burn .avi (or other formats) files to so you can watch them on a DVD player)

Nero is just a resource hog on my oldtimer here and I was wondering if there was maybe an open source app that does the job just as well, I'd preferably be interested in a free proggie, but if something is so awesome that it's worth buying I'm all ears for that too :)

What bothers me is that it has to transcode everything to PAL DVD stuff and it takes aaages, I just wondered if it depends on what program you use or your processor or both...

Astrotoy7
01-05-2008, 01:15 AM
its encoding the source video to mpeg2(DVD) that is kicking your systems ass. Im not sure what processor you have but this is one of those instances that it definitely does help to have a faster clocked dual/multicore CPU.

ideally, using one proggie is most suitable but the greatest media creation apps are very top heavy nowdays... eg. Roxio 10, Adobe Encore

There is also the famous TmpgEnc, which has been proven to be quicker compared to other mpeg encoders, but will always be limited on an older CPU. Plus it aint free

http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/te4xp.html

If you want two smaller footprint/freeware apps that will do this >>

I also use a freeware converter to transcode all my media center recording to H264, and I noticed it has a PAL/NTSC dvd mode as well > might as well give it a try - tis free :D (see lower down on page) (compiles all the great Osource encoding engines/codecs like mencoder, x264 etc into one very easy to use GUI...its like SUPER but prettier and more stable IMO)

http://www.any-video-converter.com/download/

if you want a super low footprint burning app, then you can go past infrarecoder... only 2.5mb download and OSource ;) It even has an 'xpress' interface like Nero, if you prefer that rather than meandering through the options on the standard interface :)

http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/

good luck

mtfbwya

Ray Jones
01-05-2008, 06:29 AM
Be sure to check out avidemux (http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/). It makes you any video format you like.

This (http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/dvd-creation.jspx) is how to make a perfect Video DVD readable where ever.

Astrotoy7
01-05-2008, 06:38 AM
lolz... hows that for complete service :) negsun now has windows and linux solutions for his little caper !!

great stuff.

let us know how you go negsun ;)

mtfbwya

Negative Sun
01-05-2008, 07:25 AM
Sooo once I've encoded it to the proper DVD format, how do I break it down to the right way to get it playing on a DVD player?

Nero creates menus automatically and resizes the files if they're too big for a DVD disc...I'm just wondering, could I save time transcoding it to MPEG-2 first and then loading it into Nero? Cause it should just burn it straight away then I presume...

Astrotoy7
01-05-2008, 11:50 AM
the thing is, even though mp2 = dvd, the way dvds play is off menu/chapter structures, in the form of .vob, bup. 'wrappers' aroudn these files

you can get a video on dvd that just plays without menus, or even chap skips. All you need to do is get the .vob etc files that have been created and put them in a folder called "video_ts" and use nero(or infrarecorders) "burn dvd video" mode to burn onto disc.

At the end of the day, whatever app you use, its the encoding that will get you. Check your CPU usage when you do it, if its maxing out, then there isnt an app that will give you a large performance boost.

Im finding people burn onto dvd much less. especially as there is often video degradation when encoding from a smaller size *compressed* avi etc, to a 720x576 DVD.

Are you burning this to give to someone else, or so you can watch it on your tv ??

Also, I should ask, are you after linux apps only ?? If so, disregard all Ive said :D

mtfbwya

Ray Jones
01-05-2008, 11:51 AM
Sooo once I've encoded it to the proper DVD format, how do I break it down to the right way to get it playing on a DVD player?What do you mean? When it's proper DVD format it should play??

Nero creates menus automatically and resizes the files if they're too big for a DVD disc...I'm just wondering, could I save time transcoding it to MPEG-2 first and then loading it into Nero? Cause it should just burn it straight away then I presume...

You may want to try DVDStyler (http://www.dvdstyler.de/index.html). It will create a complete DVD with menu and stuff and puts it into an .ISO file which you can burn down with whatever. :)


Also, I should ask, are you after linux apps only ?? If so, disregard all Ive saidThat's why I tend to propagate only software that has Linux and Windows ports as well.

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-05-2008, 03:49 PM
Getting a DVD player that supports DivX/XviD/x264 is the easiest way to save resources on your computer and have a DVD with a menu. You can just burn the video files to a DVD and have the DVD player generate the menu for you. Plus you don't have to transcode to an inferior format.

Negative Sun
01-05-2008, 07:21 PM
At the end of the day, whatever app you use, its the encoding that will get you. Check your CPU usage when you do it, if its maxing out, then there isnt an app that will give you a large performance boost.
Yeah that's what I thought, tis cr*p...

Are you burning this to give to someone else, or so you can watch it on your tv ??
To watch on my own telly, as the PC isn't in a good spot to watch stuff on :/

Also, I should ask, are you after linux apps only ?? If so, disregard all Ive said :D
Nah, I run WinXP atm, just wondered about open source stuff as it can sometimes be as good as the stuff you'd pay for...

What do you mean? When it's proper DVD format it should play??
I meant how do I get it to be in those crazy .vob things and such so it plays properly, but it's ok I've figured it out now lolz...

You may want to try DVDStyler (http://www.dvdstyler.de/index.html). It will create a complete DVD with menu and stuff and puts it into an .ISO file which you can burn down with whatever. :)
Cheers for that, and the other Linux apps as I'll switch this to a Linux machine once I get a new rig and I could use programs like that to use this oltimer as a workhorse while my other one is the main PC then :)

Getting a DVD player that supports DivX/XviD/x264 is the easiest way to save resources on your computer and have a DVD with a menu. You can just burn the video files to a DVD and have the DVD player generate the menu for you. Plus you don't have to transcode to an inferior format.
Two things: are they easy to get (UK resident here remember ;) ) and are they easy on the wallet? :)



I've tried transcoding it with other programs, but it's still excruciatingly slow, so what I'm doing atm is transcoding/burning stuff overnight so it gets to work away without it getting in the way of my daytime PC usage, cause it brings my CPU to its knees every time and makes my computer slower than an episode of Sex and the City...

God I want a new compy :(

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-05-2008, 10:18 PM
Two things: are they easy to get (UK resident here remember ;) ) and are they easy on the wallet? :)My mother picked one up at Best Buy for me for Christmas for pretty cheap (here in the U.S. too).

So most likely yes and yes.

Astrotoy7
01-06-2008, 04:06 AM
@ Negsun -ever thought of picking up a cheap as chips refurb pc and plugging it into your telly, run mediaportal(opensource mediacenter clone) and do all your playback from your HDD, no bullshyte burning or need for a multiformat player...an old p4 with a 64mb card will do anything, even HD files... (if you dont have a HD display though, its not worth it)... heck, ive seen peopel get away with p3/32, for playback only machines.. plug it into your telly via s-video/whatever and off you go ;)

as much as I think vista mediacenter is without compare in this stuff, mediaportal (http://www.team-mediaportal.com/) is a damn good Osource option for those who dont want/cant afford the relevant windows OSs. There are some phenomenal skins for it too ;)

There is some Linux variants, chiefly myth TV, though setting up a mythbox is wonderfully painful process :D ubuntu media center promises to be a bit friendler... still, mediaportal is the shiznit, a lot of great coders chipping in on it, continuously - far more open ended and flexible than the windows options too...

mtfbwya

Negative Sun
01-06-2008, 01:48 PM
hmmm interesting points there

I'm quite interested in a DivX DVD player but I'm worried that it might not recognize everything I try to play on it and it would still mean that I need to transcode stuff to DivX before I can watch it...

Btw, quick question, what's a quick way to check what video/audio encoding a particular file is using?

I like your idea as well Astro, but both options aren't doable for the near future anyways so I'll give it some thought :)

Ray Jones
01-06-2008, 02:11 PM
I'm using my laptop for years now for gaming or watching DVDs on my TV. ^^


Cheers for that, and the other Linux apps as I'll switch this to a Linux machine once I get a new rig and I could use programs like that to use this oltimer as a workhorse while my other one is the main PC thenOh these are not Linux apps. There are Windows/Mac versions too. :p

Astrotoy7
01-07-2008, 10:43 AM
Btw, quick question, what's a quick way to check what video/audio encoding a particular file is using?



I mentioned this in the "DVD player" thread, so I apologise for deja vu :p

video inspector (http://www.kcsoftwares.com/?vtb)

http://www.kcsoftwares.com/images/vtb_screen.gif

nifty tool with a great interface. Like all good things, usable by noobs and pros alike. Great for learning about file formats too.

mtfbwya

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-07-2008, 02:07 PM
Or Windows Explorer...

http://i17.tinypic.com/8c3o1hg.jpg

Ray Jones
01-07-2008, 02:14 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/RayJones/avidemux.png

^^;

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-07-2008, 02:39 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/RayJones/avidemux.png

^^;Fine, if you want to be all "multi-platform" about it http://i6.tinypic.com/6urpz75.gif

Ray Jones
01-07-2008, 03:37 PM
Fine, if you want to be all "multi-platform" about it http://i6.tinypic.com/6urpz75.gifliek semen and cheeks, its moar appealing to have the same software spread all over all oasses

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-07-2008, 03:54 PM
liek semen and cheeks, its moar appealing to have the same software spread all over all oassesoh rayston, you are like an ancient sage who imparts wisdom onto all.

Negative Sun
01-07-2008, 06:19 PM
lolz, thanks for the wise advice oh ancient sages ;)

Negative Sun
01-08-2008, 06:01 PM
Right, one last thing, I'm really interested in purchasing one of those Divx DVD players, and I'm just wondering...I've got about 8Gb worth of .avi stuff I'd like to burn to a DVD disc or two (before you ask, it's not pr0n lolz, it's the whole 5 seasons of Spiderman TAS ;) ), and I wondered how it works to burn it to a DVD to view it on one of those players, so jmac (or anyone else who knows):

-Do you need to burn it as a video whatever disc or do you just simply burn the .avi files as they are (like data) onto it?
-Can you use folders and subfolders?
-And I've used that VideoInspector thing (thanks Astro) and all the files are "Divx 4/5/6", but some are "Divx 3 (Fast Motion)", does that matter at all? Or will it play any Divx no matter how old school the codec is?

Astrotoy7
01-08-2008, 10:22 PM
depends on what the player supports negsun - if the salesperson has no idea - check the box :p it should be ok for most instances, in the odd instance off a fluff up - all you need to is restranscode it to settings your divx player likes.

Im sure googling will lead you the way to an app that is entirely geared for divx players... like all media players, it will involve setting your output to a correct frame res/framerate/bitrate that the player likes.

mtfbwya

Negative Sun
01-12-2008, 06:25 PM
Cool stuff, I'm out of discs just now anyways so I won't be burning for a bit but it's been quite an educational thread :)

I hope I can afford to fork some money out for one of those players at the end of the month but we'll see...

Astrotoy7
01-13-2008, 10:19 AM
@negsun, there are cheap 'media players' out there - basically, they are devices that are geared to plug into a telly and play media files off a HDD(or via usb)

My bro in law got one for $80AUD(which is about 25 squid) Once he figured out the settings, he plays all his xvids off his usb mini drive, no need for discs. Discs are OVER man !

Im talkin about one of these types of things... you can pick them up at tech markets/pc supply shops ebay linky (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Black-3-5-HDD-Hard-Disk-Case-Media-DivX-Player-AU_W0QQitemZ250205295680QQihZ015QQcategoryZ111503Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

mtfbwya

Negative Sun
01-13-2008, 07:05 PM
Hmmm...do you need to plug in an HDD for it to be able to work or can you just buy the enclosure and play stuff off a USB drive?

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-13-2008, 07:48 PM
As far as burning stuff to disc, just fire up your favorite burner program and burn them as-is. I'm not sure about the folders, but I'd err on the side of caution and not burn with folders. As for your last question, I'm guessing it won't matter.

Negative Sun
01-13-2008, 09:05 PM
Awesome, looks like I've got a couple of decent options then :)

Astrotoy7
01-13-2008, 10:39 PM
Hmmm...do you need to plug in an HDD for it to be able to work or can you just buy the enclosure and play stuff off a USB drive?

there are different types available. There are ones that dont have any internal 3.5" drive option (which is actually the type my bro in law has).

worth a look, these things are HUGE in asia...and will catch up with us eventually. I remember getting a 128MB usb flash drive/mp3 player from singapore in 2001... Back in Oz, no one knew what it was, and couldnt get how a 'walkman' had no moving parts... Steve Jobs/Apple didnt invent flash based music players, peeps in asia had been using them for a while before the first ipod came about.

forget about the discs I tell ya !

mtfbwya

Negative Sun
01-14-2008, 09:13 AM
there are different types available. There are ones that dont have any internal 3.5" drive option (which is actually the type my bro in law has).

worth a look, these things are HUGE in asia...and will catch up with us eventually. I remember getting a 128MB usb flash drive/mp3 player from singapore in 2001... Back in Oz, no one knew what it was, and couldnt get how a 'walkman' had no moving parts... Steve Jobs/Apple didnt invent flash based music players, peeps in asia had been using them for a while before the first ipod came about.

forget about the discs I tell ya !

mtfbwya
Awesome stuff, I'm quite impressed actually!

I was looking around on Ebay in the UK and I saw something like this one (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Silver-2-5-HDD-Enclosure-Multimedia-Media-Player-MP3-4_W0QQitemZ280191332061QQihZ018QQcategoryZ86759QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) here, which looks quite awesome and it really is extraordinarily cheap, good stuff!

Couldn't find one that doesn't use a HDD though, maybe you got a linky to one so I can check what they're all about? Cause that's what I'd be most interested in...

Astrotoy7
01-15-2008, 07:47 AM
that looks a nifty little one there negsun, and that price is awesome! Im sure you were planning on paying more than 5 squid for your divx player...!! with the left over cash you could get a drive anyway :) (3.5 versions are cheaper of course)

mtfbwya

Ray Jones
01-15-2008, 09:14 AM
I'd go for 2.5" since these are better to carry around and external 3.5" HDDs often require an external AC adapter and most 2.5" don't. On the other hand 3.5" offer better capacity, and maybe you don't want to take it outside anyway because losing all porn really sucks. XD

Astrotoy7
01-15-2008, 10:19 AM
If youre plugging it in to your tv/compy then portability isnt a huge issue I guessum !! 3.5''s win on the cost front hands down

mtfbwya

Ray Jones
01-15-2008, 11:03 AM
Hands up, if I'm gonna plug it into a friend's machine/TV portability *is* an issue, and ultimately needing another power outlet too. Both can be >>> cost front, they are at least for me. I just thought Mr. Sun might want to consider this *before* he recognises he cannot use his all new and shiny 1TiB 3.5" external USB HDD drive in the park with his friend's laptop, and that he rather had forked out another handful of bucks to be able to do so.

Astrotoy7
01-18-2008, 09:31 AM
ah good ole Ray, negsun starts a thread saying he wants to burn a disc to play somethin on his ***TV*** and several posts later he's been relocated to watching his spiderman toons on a friends laptop in the park of all places !!

have a few posts dropped into a tech forum bermuda triangle :p ??

From reading negsuns posts, we know that his $$$ are limited, a 40gb laptop drive(if you can find one) is about the same price as 250GB(or more) of a 3.5". Whereas you could pick up a 20/40/80gb 3.5" cheap as chips, especially a second hand one. If he had the cash to buy a

all new and shiny 1TiB 3.5" external USB HDD drive

Im sure he'd use it on a 8800GT instead :D

Anyway, Im sure negsun knows the deal between 2.5" and 3.5" (especially now after being told by you twice), I say he now has information to proceed !! ;)

proceed! [/picard]

mtfbwya

Ray Jones
01-18-2008, 10:35 AM
ah good ole Ray, negsun starts a thread saying he wants to burn a disc to play somethin on his ***TV*** and several posts later he's been relocated to watching his spiderman toons on a friends laptop in the park of all places !!Astrotoy, clean your screen, plz. :p It's all about A DVD to be played in A DVD player. Not HIS. BTW, that's also far from plugging an external HDD into wherever to watch movies. PLUS, even if, from A DVD in MY DVD player ON MY TV it's so totally so not far from A DVD in ANOTHER BUT NOT MY DVD PLAYER ON ANOTHER BUT NOT MY TV. :xp: :xp: :xp:

No one would buy a car that you can just drive to work and back. Eh.

ped into a tech forum bermHuh? XPPPPP

From reading negsuns posts, we know that his $$$ are limited, a 40gb laptop drive(if you can find one) is about the same price as 250GB(or more) of a 3.5".Err, what? First off, I seriously doubt you would still get 40GiB HDDs anywhere. Also, an external 200 GiB 2.5" HDD is about 100 bucks, and an external 200 GiB 3.5" HDD is about 70 bucks.

Whereas you could pick up a 20/40/80gb 3.5" cheap as chips, especially a second hand one.Buy cheap, buy twice. :dozey:

Also: NEVER EVER buy cheap and/or used stuff to put and keep your data on it. Neh. :/

Astrotoy7
01-19-2008, 07:31 AM
Astrotoy, clean your screen, plz. :p It's all about A DVD to be played in A DVD player. Not HIS. BTW, that's also far from plugging an external HDD into wherever to watch movies. PLUS, even if, from A DVD in MY DVD player ON MY TV it's so totally so not far from A DVD in ANOTHER BUT NOT MY DVD PLAYER ON ANOTHER BUT NOT MY TV. :xp: :xp: :xp:



sorry Ray, feel free to make a point, but do so in a calm manner. This isnt the swamp, CAPS SCREAMING is below the erudite standards of the tech forum ;)

....to watch on my own telly, as the PC isn't in a good spot to watch stuff on :/

It seems it was negsuns original intention to watch it on his own TV as he cant plug his pc into his telly, and Im sure he knows what he needs to do to ensure portability now youve told him twice and yelled it once :D

sure getting a refurbished drive isnt ideal, but if one is counting pennies, you take what you can get ;)

mtfbwya

Ray Jones
01-19-2008, 12:12 PM
CAPS SCREAMING is below the erudite standards of the tech forumAw, crap. I was at work and just being lazy putting any tags after the second DVD so I used caps highlighting. ::

That said, how would one caps scream DVD or TV??? :P

Negative Sun
01-19-2008, 06:58 PM
Awesome thread...

Anyways, by a strange twist of whatever, I'm gonna have to switch my ISP, and the one I'm looking to sign up with is giving away free laptops when you sign up...Which kicks ass cause it's cheaper than getting it on finance and I get top speed wireless broadband as well...sweet :)

Point is, I'll probably plug my lappy into my Telly if I can get one, saving me the hassle of burning or using external HDDs and whatever. (though I might still get an external HDD later on for backup purposes hehe)