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Arcesious
01-28-2008, 09:36 PM
Will we ever achieve world peace, happiness of all mankind, all problems solved, etc, etc? I doubt it myself... lookignt hough all these threads and watcing CNN it just seems like the world keeps gettign worse and worse...
Your thoughts? Ideas on how to unite/fix the world?

RobQel-Droma
01-28-2008, 09:51 PM
Its impossible, I think. Simply the fact that humans are fallible and corruptible reduces all possibility of it ever happening. And, as a side point, I don't think that the world has really changed much - people have been acting the same way for thousands of years.

Totenkopf
01-28-2008, 09:55 PM
We will all achieve peace one day.............the peace of the grave. I concur that the only thing that truly sets up apart from our ancestors is our level of technology. We're basically as dumb as they were, but with bigger guns. ce le vie.

RobQel-Droma
01-28-2008, 10:02 PM
^Lol. Now we no longer attack with battering rams, we just hit them with nukes....

Q
01-28-2008, 10:26 PM
Nope.

Tommycat
01-28-2008, 10:33 PM
Nope, we will never achieve world peace, we'll just figure out more efficient ways of waging wars.

Corinthian
01-28-2008, 10:51 PM
Sure, I think one day we'll achieve world peace. That day is usually referred to as Doomsday or the Armageddon.

Web Rider
01-28-2008, 10:57 PM
With the destrution of the earth and all it's life, yes.

otherwise, no.

John Galt
01-29-2008, 12:17 AM
Other than the potential unifying of humanity against and outside threat(and that's not really peace anyway), the only lasting peace we'll have will be the silence after all the atom bombs go off. There are simply too many reasons for people to kill each other, whether they be cultural, religious, or otherwise, people WILL keep killing each other.

If you're narrowly defining World Peace as the lack of wars, I think that could only happen in two specific scenarios: a totalitarian one-world state, or a complete lack of government and the onset of anarcho-capitalism.

Arcesious
01-29-2008, 12:18 AM
no one has any ideas as to how to do this without killign all mankind...

guess i'll have to make an idea...

What if all the sperate sects of humanity seperated and went to different worlds and left eahc other aloen after we had advnaced enough technology? woudl isolation between the different sects of us work?

Tommycat
01-29-2008, 12:35 AM
Sorry John, Even Anarchistic societies would have warlords. AnarchoCapitalists would have warring corporations(Shadowrun?).

Arcesious: Pretty much the only way to keep wars from happening would be to give each person his own planet, and no way to reach or attack the other planets. Then we might still have wars of words haha

Rev7
01-29-2008, 12:39 AM
Unfortunately, I don't think that there can be world peace, mainly because it is in our nature to...fight, sin, wage war, sometimes kill, own, destroy, ect, ect. IMO, the only time that we (as a world) will come into peace is when Jesus Christ returns.

Ray Jones
01-29-2008, 05:45 AM
World peace, prrffft.

What's with those other species fighting over territories and stuff? It's in the nature of almost every species to fight over these things. It's an important strategy for surviving. And if at all, then it's the humans who would be able to overcome this. Not some ants or primates.

What if all the sperate sects of humanity seperated and went to different worlds and left eahc other aloen after we had advnaced enough technology? woudl isolation between the different sects of us work?Nope. However, what would work is to take those people and force their own stuff and what they do down their own throats, so hard and so long until they start laughing. Then continue because they are laughing. And when they laughed so hard that every last bit of ignorance and aggression run out of their behinds, sew it close, so it won't come back. :carms:

mur'phon
01-29-2008, 06:08 AM
And if at all, then it's the humans who would be able to overcome this. Not some ants or primates.

Seems it's too late for that, the bonobo chimps apears to have found a way: have sex not war :D

Pho3nix
01-29-2008, 06:24 AM
Will we ever achieve world peace, happiness of all mankind, all problems solved, etc, etc?
No. It's in our nature to destroy ourselves.

Racism, poverty and war will exist as long as Homo Sapiens breathes on this planet.

World peace will happen when the human race is dead.

Web Rider
01-29-2008, 12:31 PM
What if all the seperate sects of humanity separated and went to different worlds and left each other alone after we had advanced enough technology? would isolation between the different sects of us work?

No, because separation breeds differences, differences create problems in understanding, lack of understanding makes people scared, scared people kill each other.

I suppose a solution like the Borg would work. One where we have no individualism.

Balderdash
01-29-2008, 03:39 PM
The only way our race will ever be pacified is if we willingly use artificial means to deny our own ability to think freely. And that really wouldn't be a good thing.

El Sitherino
01-30-2008, 01:43 AM
World peace can be reached by only two means.

1. The destruction of mankind.
2. Greed is eventually wiped out of our emotional bank in the human mind.


Either way, the factor of greed and power is removed allowing for the likelihood of death, destruction, and otherwise general chaos to be a thing of the past.

Totenkopf
01-30-2008, 09:20 AM
Well, don't forget some of the other 6 (lust,anger,vanity, jealousy..), Sithy. :D

Darth InSidious
01-30-2008, 09:26 AM
I try not to predict the future, but I'd guess that a world peace treaty wouldn't last the time the ink took to dry.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, though.

PoiuyWired
01-30-2008, 02:39 PM
ACtually Peace is a minset. So technicakky there is peace even as we drop bombs and send pieces of sharp metal thru some unfortunate folks, and vice versa.

Ok, other than that. Just say NO to World peace. It is just silly.

Jae Onasi
01-30-2008, 04:05 PM
We can't even decide if Fluffy the Wonderpet should live or be put out of our misery. I have no hope for world peace given the nature of humanity.

mimartin
01-30-2008, 05:01 PM
I would like to believe that humans will continue to evolve and one day in the distant future world peace could become a reality. Maybe that is just the overly optimistic side of me coming out, but I do hope that it would be possible without the complete annihilation of mankind. Although the only way I can see it happening now is like John Galt wrote from an outside influence like an alien attack or a catastrophic natural disaster that forced us to work together for mutual survival. The only reason it would be possible is to have an abundance of natural resources (land, energy, food) to eliminate greed (as pointed out by El Sitherino) and the only way I see that possible is by some type of disaster that devastated the population.

Hey, anything is possible I’m sure ancient man would be surprised to see how well the inhabitants of a nation can get along compared to tribes battling it out for supremacy. Of course, in parts of the world it would still look extremely familiar to him.

Totenkopf
01-30-2008, 05:30 PM
Actually, I think that would only work for a time. Eventually people would revert to their fractious ways. 5000+ years of recorded history is proof. Short of genetic or technological manipulation of whole populations, I don't much see any change in human nature for millenia to come.

Ctrl Alt Del
01-30-2008, 07:38 PM
Let the machines control the world while we feed their batteries inside cryo tubes with our perfect, false and virtual lives each...

Or just wait for Morpheus.

DeadYorick
01-30-2008, 09:43 PM
Let the machines control the world while we feed their batteries inside cryo tubes with our perfect, false and virtual lives each...

Or just wait for Morpheus.

I actually laughed at this

Anyway I doubt that world peace is achievable. Like the Simpson's has told us if we have World Peace aliens will come and see that the world is finally defenseless and will take over the world

Corinthian
01-30-2008, 09:54 PM
Alternately, we may achieve a semblance of World Peace after the Fourth Empire arises and conquers the entire planet.

tk102
01-30-2008, 10:30 PM
It has been achieved. Ta da:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9489/peas2ad3.gif

:p

If we found a source of free energy, peace may be possible.

Otherwise I'd tend to agree with Totenkopf about the necessity of genetic/technological manipulation of the population.

Rev7
01-30-2008, 10:50 PM
Yum, peas. :D

Arcesious
01-30-2008, 10:57 PM
On no the peas are gettign scuked up in a black hole under the plate! :xp:

tk102
01-31-2008, 01:38 AM
(Whirled peas.)

Forum Cop: "Allright that'll be a 50 credit pun tax!" :xp: -RH Agreed! :nut: - d3

Darth InSidious
01-31-2008, 06:16 AM
(Whirled peas.)
If that pun isn't a good enough reason for WWIII, I don't know what is. :xp:

Seriously, though, the only kind of world peace I can see happening is a kind of despotic tyranny under a god-emperor.

Which isn't a very bright prospect for the future, if you aren't the god-emperor.

PoiuyWired
01-31-2008, 01:52 PM
If that pun isn't a good enough reason for WWIII, I don't know what is. :xp:

Seriously, though, the only kind of world peace I can see happening is a kind of despotic tyranny under a god-emperor.

Which isn't a very bright prospect for the future, if you aren't the god-emperor.

Nope, the God-Emperor would become a half-dead corpse in a glass coffin feeding on souls.

But look at the bright side, you can become a space marine. :)

Or, if you are enlightened enough, join me in the Eye of Terror. The tender love of the Chaos Gods is available to all.

Ctrl Alt Del
01-31-2008, 07:38 PM
Let the machines control the world while we feed their batteries inside cryo tubes with our perfect, false and virtual lives each...

Or just wait for Morpheus.
I actually laughed at this
Gotta give credit to Matrix.

Sabretooth
02-02-2008, 11:37 AM
If we found a source of free energy, peace may be possible.
I'll use that free energy to destroy nations.

Yes, I can see world peace happening right before me eyes... :weirdo:

Rev7
02-03-2008, 03:00 AM
If we found a source of free energy, peace may be possible.
Can this free energy replace gasoline? Electricity, ect. If so , sign me up!

Weiser_Cain
02-03-2008, 03:57 AM
Yes, one day the world will die, shortly after there will be peace.

Taak Farst
02-03-2008, 08:04 AM
there will never be peace until the world ends, and I think thats the curse of the humans. I think the world will end because of humans, the excessive use of fire, electric, oil etc. Then, as the earth dies, I think peace will be born.

I know I sound weird but you know...

Ctrl Alt Del
02-03-2008, 07:12 PM
Can this free energy replace gasoline? Electricity, ect. If so , sign me up!
It's called bio-diesel, cane, natural fuel, whatever.

Rev7
02-03-2008, 07:28 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know that, but my key word was free. All of those aren't actually free.

Ctrl Alt Del
02-03-2008, 07:54 PM
You can grow that on your home. It's free in that case.:xp:

We have but another option:
Secretly build an underwater city at the Ocean Floor, invite tons of brilliant scientists, beautiful women, generic drug addicts, little girls with brothers, and big gorilla men with sons. Then all we need do is a nice speech, that criticizes not only God concept, but Capitalism and Communism as well while, ironically, our system will be a mix of both and an anarchic government.

We call it Rapture...

Rev7
02-03-2008, 07:59 PM
Exactly my point. :D

Tommycat
02-03-2008, 10:20 PM
You can grow that on your home. It's free in that case.:xp:

We have but another option:
Secretly build an underwater city at the Ocean Floor, invite tons of brilliant scientists, beautiful women, generic drug addicts, little girls with brothers, and big gorilla men with sons. Then all we need do is a nice speech, that criticizes not only God concept, but Capitalism and Communism as well while, ironically, our system will be a mix of both and an anarchic government.

We call it Rapture...
Then when every person in the world shows up, open up the outer doors and the inner doors.... Peace at last :D

Corinthian
02-03-2008, 11:57 PM
Uh, Rapture was a perfect Capitalist system.

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No, says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor. No, says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God. No, says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone! I rejected all these answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose Rapture.

Also, incidentally, Communism and Capitalism are not forms of government, they're economic styles. It's perfectly possible to have a Communist Democracy, a Capitalist Dictatorship, or a Socialist Monarchy. Incidentally, there are no true communist nations, only nations with Communist Ideals. Even the USSR was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Anyway, I'd call Rapture a Dictatorship.

Sven_Q45
02-04-2008, 11:31 AM
@Rev7
Thatīs right. War is natural. War is always. For example a dispute between 2 peoples is war too, only not so brutal.
If there is an other earth like planet out there. They make war, too. And itīs STILL war. :( Look to Afghanistan or Iraq.

Well an idea is to a disarm of nuclear weapons. But say this to a country like North Korea or a dictatorial country!

Or is war an intention that we destroy ourselves again that itīs possible again a new world can give? :eek:

Ray Jones
02-04-2008, 02:25 PM
What's with one colony of ants raiding another?

Ctrl Alt Del
02-04-2008, 03:01 PM
Uh, Rapture was a perfect Capitalist system.
As long as you understand the concept of Ryan's "Great Chain" being solely capitalist, then Rapture is the Burgo Maxima.

Also, incidentally, Communism and Capitalism are not forms of government, they're economic styles. It's perfectly possible to have a Communist Democracy, a Capitalist Dictatorship, or a Socialist Monarchy. Incidentally, there are no true communist nations, only nations with Communist Ideals. Even the USSR was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Anyway, I'd call Rapture a Dictatorship.
Yeah, I know. And thought Ryan didn't "dictate" via laws, he was ultimately the law there.

Corinthian
02-04-2008, 03:15 PM
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? Living by your own steam is pretty much the core ideal of Capitalism.

Ctrl Alt Del
02-04-2008, 03:35 PM
That much is true. And I consider it as the capitalism part of the system he built there. The communism influence come from the concept of the Great Chain: Everyone works together to achieve a common goal of prosperity... But each looks after what matters to them.

Corinthian
02-04-2008, 04:00 PM
That's not communism, that's just community. I can set up a neighborhood program to clean up the streets without it being related to Communism in any way.

Taak Farst
02-04-2008, 04:12 PM
@ Corinth & ctrl
omg u have a bad habit of arguing... :lsduel:

With that ant farms raiding other hings...bit weird lol

Corinthian
02-04-2008, 04:15 PM
Not argument. Rational discourse.

Det. Bart Lasiter
02-04-2008, 07:58 PM
Bioshock kicked ass.

Rogue Nine
02-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Answering the topic: No, we'll never have world peace. Not as long as there are Israelis and Palestinians fighting over the same piece of stupid land, just as they have been for the past thousand years.

Ctrl Alt Del
02-04-2008, 08:11 PM
You don't call it stupid. Your home will be burned to the ground or something.

EDIT: Hello Nine, I was kidding here.

Rogue Nine
02-04-2008, 08:19 PM
By whom? You?

I'll call it whatever I damn well please, thanks.

Jae Onasi
02-04-2008, 09:24 PM
*Jae yanks on the thread and whistles loudly*
"Hey--the topic is back over here--you know, world peace!"

That is all.

Tommycat
02-04-2008, 11:13 PM
See we can't even have a thread where everyone agrees without a battle breaking out... Jeez I think that's proof enough that there will never be world peace.

Ray Jones
02-05-2008, 04:07 AM
Differences, disagreement and discussion do not equal war.

Corinthian
02-05-2008, 07:09 AM
At least the combat is turn-based.

Tommycat
02-05-2008, 07:40 AM
Did I say war? I don't believe I did... And a battle of wits is still a battle:D

And if we cannot even have a thread with no battle of wits going on even on something we are universally in agreement with, how are we ever expected to keep from escalating when there are issues we disagree on? Let alone if we disagree on where to draw the line on the map.

Jae Onasi
02-05-2008, 12:52 PM
At least the combat is turn-based.
*Jae falls off chair laughing*

The only way we could get complete agreement on everything to achieve world peace would be if everyone was exactly the same. That's never going to happen.

Totenkopf
02-05-2008, 01:04 PM
Would be painfully boring if we did.

Quanon
02-05-2008, 01:39 PM
Would be painfully boring if we did.

Was about to say that ! Now I feel like a slow idiot !

*Takes loaded AK-47*

Uh... :lol:

If there should be world peace "enforced" I would prefer something like the Matrix.

Though I don't want it designed by Microsoft, nor by Nintendo, ... Mario music all the time o_Q

On the other hand I don't know who I'dd like to design such a big system.

But it won't insure "peace" it would be a digitale war then, with spawn points.
And some crazy booming voice yelling "head-shot" while your in the trenches blasting away.( + some epic melody )


Strange but looking at the forum it seems everyone agrees there is not such thing possible as "world" peace.

Let alone that someone is with peace with himself / herself.

What about that ?


Anyone wants a Mad Max world ? It has buggys and V8's ? :p

Ctrl Alt Del
02-05-2008, 03:00 PM
Was about to say that ! Now I feel like a slow idiot !
[...]
If there should be world peace "enforced" I would prefer something like the Matrix.

You're going to feel slow again:

Let the machines control the world while we feed their batteries inside cryo tubes with our perfect, false and virtual lives each...

:D

Tommycat
02-05-2008, 11:22 PM
Anyone wants a Mad Max world ? It has buggys and V8's ? :p
I call the V8 Interceptor with the blower and HUGE fuel tanks:D

Quanon
02-06-2008, 04:04 PM
I call the V8 Interceptor with the blower and HUGE fuel tanks:D

I want that insane buggy, with the 'laugh'-gas tank or that big truck looked fun aswell :p

Though I'd give you the insane pirates/ road thugs to you to handle.

Iiittsss Thhheeee NIIIGHHTT RIIIDEERRRR ! :D


@Ctrl: :xp: I've read your post.

But run the world by machines could also be something like the TERMINATOR, we don't that now do we.

I then prefer the machines of the Matrix. ;)

Ctrl Alt Del
02-06-2008, 06:38 PM
But run the world by machines could also be something like the TERMINATOR, we don't that now do we.

True. But I think I should have added the "Time" word to make it look like Terminator.

Quanon
02-07-2008, 01:16 PM
True. But I think I should have added the "Time" word to make it look like Terminator.

:lol:

Actually I kinda like the TX.

Perhaps Skynet is not such a bad idea ?

We could call it SkyPeace, to not get involved in Copyright matters :p

mur'phon
02-07-2008, 02:27 PM
We could call it SkyPeace

So that's what skype stands for..............

Totenkopf
02-07-2008, 02:38 PM
:lol:Perhaps Skynet is not such a bad idea ?

Perhaps, if suicide's your concept of a good idea. :xp:

Quanon
02-08-2008, 06:02 AM
Perhaps, if suicide's your concept of a good idea. :xp:

:lol:

Maybe Skynet is a bit drastic, what if we changed its programming to be less agresive. ;)

That might be the best thing to do, let machines do the goverment tasks.

And if we do that in every country around the world , who knows what might happen.

Perhaps the baddest scenario would be that like of I robot. Humies getting locked up to preserve them of doing something stupid and hurt themselfs or others.

Totenkopf
02-08-2008, 06:40 AM
Well, only problem with programming is that if the machine becomes self-aware, it will probably exceed its programming. If that happens.....let's hope they view Asimov as a kind of god. ;) I still think that a good way to rock the rest of the world back on its heels would be to export all our excess lawyers to gum up their systems. :D

Jae Onasi
02-08-2008, 01:18 PM
Thread will get split when I can get to my computer at home tonight, unless another mod beats me to it, since this has gone off course. :)

Quanon
02-08-2008, 04:19 PM
I still think that a good way to rock the rest of the world back on its heels would be to export all our excess lawyers to gum up their systems. :D

Hmm, makes me think about this, though I've no idea where I seen or read this story about a 'world'; where when people are in such argument and close to fighting they get thrown out to fight it out in a sort of an arena.

Its kinda a funny idea that could actually work really well.
Like when you get these nasty trouble with elections ( I'm thinking of Africa not the USA )and other sometimes heated discussion things ( religion and such ) you throw in the hotheads who like to fight for that kind of thing into an arena and let them rip them each other apart in there, instead of blasting and shooting up citys / countrys / world.

Might have been Mad Max, ... ThunderDome ? :lol:

adamqd
02-08-2008, 05:22 PM
when we achieve intergalactic travel and alien contact... because we'll band together to kill the aliens.

Totenkopf
02-08-2008, 06:33 PM
Hmm, makes me think about this, though I've no idea where I seen or read this story about a 'world'; where when people are in such argument and close to fighting they get thrown out to fight it out in a sort of an arena.

Its kinda a funny idea that could actually work really well.
Like when you get these nasty trouble with elections ( I'm thinking of Africa not the USA )and other sometimes heated discussion things ( religion and such ) you throw in the hotheads who like to fight for that kind of thing into an arena and let them rip them each other apart in there, instead of blasting and shooting up citys / countrys / world.

Might have been Mad Max, ... ThunderDome ? :lol:

Well, I'm sure there are probably examples in literature (history?) where each side chose a champion and hashed out their problems in a duel. Hell, dueling wasn't exactly unheard of back around the founding of this country. Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton settled their differences in a duel that claimed Hamilton's life in the early 1800s.

Quanon
02-09-2008, 07:52 AM
when we achieve intergalactic travel and alien contact... because we'll band together to kill the aliens.

But what if it where like HOT twi'lek chicks :lol:

adamqd
02-09-2008, 01:22 PM
FTW, I'm with the Twi'leks!

Arcesious
02-09-2008, 03:38 PM
If there are aliens that we want to kill, then our arrogance will be the death of us.

Totenkopf
02-09-2008, 04:02 PM
But what if it where like HOT twi'lek chicks :lol:


Then I guess it would depend on how they wanted to "conquer" us. ;)

Jae Onasi
02-09-2008, 09:12 PM
But what if it where like HOT twi'lek chicks :lol:


Then I guess it would depend on how they wanted to "conquer" us. ;)

And before we get Twi'lek fanboys talking about the merits of getting conquered, it's time to shut down the thread......

Besides, it's Carth who's hot.

RedHawke
02-10-2008, 02:25 AM
^^^
My beloved Mission is far hotter that Carth... he is too whiny. :xp:

Besides a sultry Drow Elven hottie wins hands-down anyway! :naughty: